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| 0s | wh why why no why no M3 no work good |
|---|---|
| 5s | yeah uh that's paraphrase yeah of course |
| 8s | uh it it's a it's a very fair |
| 14s | question hey everybody Welcome to forged |
| 17s | andum where we talk about all things new |
| 20s | world uh today we are here to talk about |
| 23s | a uh kind of a set of features uh called |
| 26s | crossworld Expeditions and improved |
| 28s | group finder and I'm joined with a few |
| 31s | folks here from the team uh first up |
| 34s | suive sarmad that's right software |
| 37s | engineer uh we got Kenny |
| 39s | Doyle software engineer on the services |
| 42s | team on the services team social team |
| 44s | Services team and then finally we have e |
| 47s | Petrus producer of the social team hello |
| 51s | and uh we just Dive Right In so first |
| 53s | we'll have a kind of a we want to talk |
| 55s | about the the features and kind of give |
| 56s | you a sense of what they are and then |
| 58s | hot off the presses we have some |
| 59s | Community questions on the future and |
| 62s | we're going to we're going to answer |
| 63s | them for you as best we can so with that |
| 66s | um e what is crossworld Expedition and |
| 70s | improved group |
| 72s | finder uh crossworld Expeditions is |
| 74s | obviously the ability to make an |
| 77s | expedition group across server right |
| 79s | which allows uh more players to |
| 81s | congregate together and then improve |
| 83s | groupfinder is this idea that we want to |
| 86s | reduce the friction with the old group |
| 88s | finder system right there was Lobby |
| 91s | it was uh more difficult than we |
| 93s | intended for players to meet up and run |
| 94s | these Expeditions so reducing that |
| 97s | friction adding some uh you know quality |
| 100s | of life to actually be able to just |
| 101s | click a button get in a group run the |
| 103s | content absolutely uh and there's |
| 106s | there's a lot of details around it |
| 108s | obviously um luckily the the questions |
| 110s | that we gathered kind of kind of will |
| 112s | will be a great place to dive into more |
| 113s | detail on those um I guess for now |
| 117s | Expeditions so we have we have normal |
| 119s | Expeditions in mutated Expeditions so |
| 121s | where does this fit in with that uh It |
| 123s | ultimately encompasses both so players |
| 125s | will be able to uh you know run uh what |
| 129s | we call normal or vanilla Expeditions |
| 131s | right so obviously I think the first one |
| 133s | starts at around level 30 and they'll be |
| 135s | able to run all of those all the way up |
| 137s | to the endgame contents which ultimately |
| 139s | then will move players into the mutated |
| 141s | Expedition group will they be able to |
| 143s | run you know m1's m2s Etc yeah and to |
| 146s | skip the line a little bit uh so M3s not |
| 149s | being part of the feature um we we'll |
| 152s | talk more about it uh when we get there |
| 153s | but um this is really more you can think |
| 156s | of this as a as a kind of entry point so |
| 160s | you know it's it's hard to find groups |
| 162s | across the board I mean it's especially |
| 164s | hard to find groups for ascending the |
| 165s | ladder so like you know I need to find |
| 167s | an M2 so this system will will hopefully |
| 170s | kind of make it make it easier at least |
| 172s | to get to M3 being unlocked right um so |
| 176s | then you know this this has been you |
| 178s | know you you and me have been been kind |
| 180s | of working on some variation of group |
| 182s | finder for a while um it all started |
| 184s | with Lobby finder which shipped we just |
| 187s | looked it up |
| 189s | 2022 I think summer of 2022 is when it |
| 192s | initially came out yeah both longer and |
| 194s | shorter than we I know right so yeah I |
| 197s | mean you've been you've been kind of at |
| 199s | the Forefront and obviously like Kenny |
| 201s | Ken's working with us now on the |
| 202s | services side now that we have that but |
| 203s | like tell us about the history yeah so |
| 205s | we started off designing groupfinder |
| 207s | which was supposed to be this tool to |
| 209s | kind of help make it easier for players |
| 211s | to uh get grouped up and and run through |
| 215s | Expeditions um on their own world but |
| 219s | you know feedback that we got from the |
| 220s | players was that it was still kind of |
| 222s | difficult it's still quite a manual |
| 224s | process uh you had to kind of inspect |
| 226s | the players who wanted to join your |
| 228s | lobbies um see if you wanted them in |
| 231s | your group or not and then you were |
| 234s | limited to the players on your world mhm |
| 237s | so I think from there we were trying to |
| 239s | see |
| 240s | how can we improve that system yeah yeah |
| 243s | and we I mean I think we've always kind |
| 245s | of you know know that we wanted a |
| 247s | crossworld system yeah that was that was |
| 250s | originally what we wanted groupfinder to |
| 252s | be able to do but we just didn't have |
| 254s | the tech at that time we still wanted to |
| 256s | get something out there for players to |
| 258s | to kind of improve their experience and |
| 259s | make it easier for them we just didn't |
| 261s | have the tech to build it all the way we |
| 263s | wanted to and I think it's fair I mean |
| 265s | it's especially for like the top level |
| 267s | mutation dungeons it's like I think it's |
| 270s | find system yeah it it did help a lot |
| 273s | yeah um and then luckily we finally did |
| 275s | get to do crossworld yes with oppr at |
| 278s | first um which we got a lot of help with |
| 281s | the services team uh so yeah we got |
| 284s | cross working sorry we got opr working |
| 287s | cross World MH uh which made it so that |
| 291s | players from different servers on our |
| 293s | region could all come together and play |
| 296s | uh this game mode which players have |
| 298s | really enjoyed we it it wasn't easy to |
| 302s | get cross World working at all uh it's |
| 305s | really foundational level Tech that |
| 307s | we've then kind of trying to build the |
| 309s | whole Suite of modes on top of now yeah |
| 311s | right yeah it I mean so so then that |
| 314s | that kind of you know brings us to now |
| 316s | that we are here we have crossworld Tech |
| 318s | working um so then to to kind of you |
| 322s | know continue to to build out what we |
| 324s | originally wanted for expeditions now we |
| 325s | have crossworld Expeditions and then in |
| 327s | order to make that work like obviously |
| 329s | you have to you know it's challenging |
| 331s | because now the the groups you play with |
| 334s | across world to so then that's where the |
| 336s | matchmaking system came in yeah it's a |
| 339s | almost uh new set of challenges that |
| 342s | came into play for uh crossworld |
| 344s | Expeditions uh because with opr we had |
| 347s | the challenges of uh you know laying the |
| 351s | infrastructure and all like you said all |
| 353s | the foundational Tech to um allow us to |
| 357s | to look at player requests coming from |
| 359s | different different worlds and and just |
| 361s | form them into uh groups or teams for |
| 364s | opr and that was its own set of |
| 365s | challenges but now building upon that to |
| 369s | to get the whole feature set that we |
| 371s | needed for expeditions so um allowing |
| 374s | players to select different Dungeons and |
| 377s | getting that into play and then um |
| 378s | allowing now or taking into account |
| 381s | their role selection So like um healer |
| 383s | tank |
| 384s | DPS um and yeah just being able to uh |
| 388s | account for all of that and in an |
| 390s | efficient man manner uh get getting |
| 393s | players with these different uh |
| 395s | attributes or groups with these |
| 396s | different attributes uh into matches um |
| 400s | it's been really uh fun and exciting to |
| 402s | build that over the over the past few |
| 404s | months we yeah we um you know obviously |
| 408s | like it with with Game Dev and and you |
| 411s | all have heard about this in various |
| 413s | episodes but like it's always this push |
| 415s | and pull between what can we do by the |
| 417s | date versus like what we know sets us up |
| 418s | for the future um you know I I have to |
| 421s | compend you commend you both for like |
| 423s | doing a really good job fighting for |
| 425s | what would ultimately pay off for us in |
| 427s | the long run and this this rule-based |
| 429s | system is is an example of that um yeah |
| 433s | yeah it it's definitely um it's |
| 436s | definitely getting us there and I think |
| 439s | um you know we have a lot more |
| 440s | flexibility now than we did with the |
| 442s | initial opr system uh right so now that |
| 445s | we're actually able to uh more easily |
| 448s | Define like team sizes team compositions |
| 451s | um Maps um and other attributes too uh |
| 455s | the system's pretty flexible that um we |
| 458s | we could take other attributes or other |
| 460s | dimensions as far as you know what uh is |
| 463s | relevant to a player or group and and |
| 464s | use that in matchmaking so we're |
| 466s | definitely um on the way uh I think one |
| 470s | of the interesting quirks or interesting |
| 473s | outcomes that came from planning and |
| 475s | working through this whole feature was |
| 477s | uh originally we wanted to do like even |
| 478s | more on the service for like that kind |
| 480s | of initial criteria evaluation like uh |
| 484s | checking gear scores and other |
| 486s | requirements like that but that was |
| 488s | something um you know scheduling wise |
| 491s | made sense to have server or social uh |
| 494s | pickup um but you know potentially |
| 496s | that's something uh we look at in the |
| 499s | future and uh you know what gives us the |
| 501s | greatest flexibility and kind of uh |
| 503s | great a speed and iterating on these |
| 505s | rules but we're we're definitely making |
| 507s | progress in the right direction yeah |
| 509s | absolutely working with the services |
| 510s | team uh has been pretty awesome like you |
| 514s | you built a system which is flexible |
| 515s | enough for us on the server side to do |
| 517s | all the checks that we need to do to |
| 518s | make sure that players um qualify for |
| 522s | all the activities that they want to |
| 524s | Quee for during the |
| 526s | matchmaking uh so working with you and |
| 529s | uh having you build the tools for our |
| 532s | designers to be able to use the the |
| 534s | attributes that the game sends out to |
| 537s | the server and then use that for |
| 539s | matching these players together it's |
| 541s | been pretty cool kind of like a |
| 542s | handshake between best friends right |
| 544s | like you want the client you want the |
| 546s | the service just to kind of like you |
| 548s | know hug it out yeah just to see those |
| 550s | two very different very separate systems |
| 553s | working together has been really cool |
| 555s | yeah definitely I still remember the |
| 556s | first time we got all of the pieces just |
| 560s | about working we had all the team |
| 562s | together uh running this play test are |
| 564s | you talking about for this or for opr no |
| 566s | for this yeah because we had the tech |
| 568s | for opr we knew that cross world would |
| 571s | work right but we didn't know if queuing |
| 575s | for an expedition with the rules and |
| 577s | everything would work right uh |
| 579s | especially since we were sending up a |
| 581s | list of different dungeons that you were |
| 584s | queuing up for so yeah that first time |
| 587s | that we all got into the dungeon that we |
| 590s | expected to get into yeah with players |
| 592s | from different worlds that was that was |
| 594s | really exciting and the correct roll |
| 595s | comp exactly yeah yeah that was that was |
| 599s | was awesome a lot of uh uh joyful |
| 601s | swearing going on once that happened |
| 604s | that was really good yeah really good |
| 605s | feeling yeah we can't throw to that |
| 608s | clip s sadly sadly no but um kind of |
| 612s | along the line of Joyful swearing too |
| 614s | just getting to that process right like |
| 616s | um it's kind of been interesting just |
| 617s | like uh uh organizationally and |
| 620s | logistically from the development side |
| 622s | like when we were planning this back |
| 623s | over um you know July going into August |
| 627s | of 2023 right uh |
| 630s | services and the way we had planned |
| 631s | things out at first it didn't quite |
| 633s | align with like social and like the |
| 635s | larger group and team effort so you know |
| 637s | like Dan and E here they spent a lot of |
| 640s | effort um I wouldn't say like yelling at |
| 644s | at me or my team but there was a a |
| 646s | gentle uh uh a suggestion to like hey |
| 649s | kind of like reorganize I'd like to call |
| 651s | it a passionate plea a passionate plea |
| 654s | but it was so awesome because like yeah |
| 656s | you know um spend like an hour you know |
| 659s | looking that uh what you've planned out |
| 661s | reorganize it and then we had like so |
| 662s | much better alignment between what |
| 664s | services was doing and what social was |
| 666s | doing and I think it actually made |
| 668s | getting to that first point where like |
| 670s | oh we had that first like crossworld |
| 671s | dungeon formed it made that possible and |
| 674s | like that was really really awesome to |
| 676s | have happen yeah and I think as a team |
| 677s | we've been we've been kind of improving |
| 679s | our design and uh development process so |
| 683s | learning from the lessons we had for opr |
| 686s | and taking those into building Crossroad |
| 688s | expeditions I think uh yeah there's been |
| 691s | I mean you know a lot of credit goes to |
| 693s | you credit goes to you credit goes to |
| 694s | you for sure uh there's I mean I think |
| 696s | seven teams in all across the across a |
| 699s | lot of coordination pitched into this |
| 701s | thing um so you know everybody who |
| 703s | couldn't be here with us because the |
| 704s | table's only so big thanks thanks PEX |
| 707s | thanks weex thanks ux uh yeah uh server |
| 711s | server Services social oh crap now I |
| 714s | forgotten somebody whoever forgot I'm |
| 717s | sorry yeah but yeah now it's uh we'll |
| 720s | put in the notes f i I've just I've just |
| 723s | it's been amazing to watch uh everybody |
| 724s | has done such amazing job and there's |
| 726s | been a lot of a lot of pieces a lot of |
| 729s | Tetris bricks falling that had to get |
| 731s | spun around uh but we didn't end up with |
| 733s | any sideways long ones right not yet |
| 739s | anyway actually maybe that's a pretty |
| 741s | good segue because now uh we do have a |
| 743s | couple of questions um you know we're |
| 745s | we're happen to be going out to PTR um |
| 748s | so you know people are learning about |
| 749s | the feature for the first time and they |
| 750s | got some questions for us so um without |
| 753s | further Ado uh we got three we wanted to |
| 755s | read first one |
| 757s | being wh why why no why no M3 no work |
| 762s | good yeah uh that's paraphrase yeah of |
| 765s | course uh it's it's a very fair question |
| 767s | so ultimately you know |
| 770s | um uh for you know the M3 content is |
| 774s | some of the most challenging in the |
| 775s | entire game right and it's uh to do to |
| 779s | set a group up to succeed you need to be |
| 782s | set up correctly gear wise and Gem wise |
| 785s | and all your loadouts right so you know |
| 787s | uh with the way it's set up currently um |
| 790s | there are challenges with kind of doing |
| 792s | the oneclick kind of uh functionality |
| 795s | with that particular setup so ultimately |
| 798s | you know for kind of uh the first |
| 800s | release we wanted to kind of reduce |
| 802s | Simplicity utilize kind of the Legacy |
| 804s | group finder uh and ultimately just make |
| 806s | sure that we have a A system that can |
| 809s | you know grow into that and the Hope |
| 811s | though is that since we are able to use |
| 813s | you know vanela Expeditions and mutated |
| 816s | we can help get more players through to |
| 818s | M1 and then M2 and ultimately get into |
| 820s | that M3 bucket and you know we are going |
| 823s | to of course listen to players so you |
| 825s | know if that's something that players |
| 826s | want us to solve for you know I I I |
| 828s | think they can expect something at some |
| 830s | point to address that well said yeah the |
| 833s | like we and like we talked about like we |
| 834s | we still do have the the lobby Finder |
| 837s | right actually some of some of the cool |
| 838s | stuff about the new new screen that |
| 839s | houses all this stuff is a new like uh |
| 842s | activities menu as we call it and uh you |
| 845s | know we've done some things to improve |
| 846s | the visibility of how many lobbies are |
| 848s | in which mutation level uh vanilla as |
| 851s | well um but yeah I mean you know we I |
| 854s | think we definitely hear you it it'd be |
| 856s | it'd be wonderful to have crossworld |
| 857s | here as well but um you know for now I |
| 861s | think more players are going to get to |
| 862s | M3 to be able to |
| 865s | play uh question number two is the group |
| 868s | finder going to to particular |
| 870s | compositions for groups and gear |
| 871s | requirements for roles |
| 874s | Su so |
| 876s | the crossroad Expeditions and improved |
| 880s | groupfinder is going to adhere to uh our |
| 883s | new uh role requirements and role system |
| 886s | so when you queue up for an expedition |
| 889s | or mutation you're going to have to |
| 892s | select a role and you have to qualify |
| 895s | for that role um so we have a bunch of |
| 897s | checks in place to make sure that not |
| 899s | only the experience for you but for your |
| 902s | your group as a whole is as good as it |
| 904s | can be now that said you know we're not |
| 908s | locking you into that role quite yet uh |
| 912s | we want to see how the players uh |
| 916s | interact with the system and we are you |
| 919s | know listening to feedback if we see any |
| 921s | issues with that we'll we'll see what we |
| 924s | can do to address it yeah this is one |
| 926s | where you know even the Legacy |
| 928s | groupfinder system couldn't you know you |
| 930s | couldn't guarantee that you're going to |
| 931s | stay within the role so um you know it |
| 933s | is something we looked at and we respect |
| 935s | out to make the coverer V1 we'll see |
| 937s | we'll see how it goes um and then |
| 940s | there's one last bit of this are there |
| 942s | any systems in place to punish bad |
| 944s | actors uh we've got our uh penalty for |
| 949s | deserter penalty that's right so if you |
| 951s | if you leave an |
| 952s | expedition uh prematurely if you leave |
| 956s | on your own yeah you will receive a |
| 958s | penal you won't be able to rejoin for |
| 961s | that type of activity for a certain |
| 963s | amount of time still tuning all the |
| 964s | values yep um if you are |
| 969s | misbehaving in an expedition your group |
| 972s | can also kick you out and that will also |
| 974s | trigger a penalty MH uh that said if |
| 978s | players get into a state where they |
| 980s | either don't want to or can't finish an |
| 982s | expedition we have added a way for |
| 984s | players to abandon cleanly the |
| 987s | Expedition y so that they can get back |
| 989s | out and queue again without any that's |
| 991s | group penalties right y right and we do |
| 993s | have the the back fill system so that |
| 995s | way if uh we do need to exit left a |
| 998s | particular player uh we are able to |
| 1001s | hopefully uh find a replacement without |
| 1002s | having to disperse that group not |
| 1005s | hopefully we do we will find them if |
| 1007s | they're there if they're in the queue |
| 1008s | we're going to find them and back fill |
| 1010s | them into the match that's right it |
| 1012s | works it works great yeah right K that's |
| 1015s | right it's never it it was one of the |
| 1016s | first things to work and it's just been |
| 1018s | Sol ever |
| 1020s | since uh last question disable trade |
| 1023s | inside any game mode of cross server |
| 1025s | easy abusable and exploitable if can |
| 1027s | trade between |
| 1029s | servers fair enough yeah I mean I think |
| 1031s | this is something we've had in |
| 1033s | crossworld since or you know we released |
| 1036s | opr so that whole kind of design has |
| 1038s | been carried over and you know players |
| 1041s | cannot utilize that so you'll see kind |
| 1042s | of within the you know the H menu when |
| 1045s | you try to trigger that there's |
| 1046s | basically a popup that says this is |
| 1047s | disabled yeah I mean you were I mean |
| 1050s | while server was was kind of going and |
| 1052s | services were were kind of making |
| 1053s | Crossroad instances even possible that's |
| 1056s | when you were kind of hard at work in a |
| 1057s | lot of this stuff right that's right |
| 1059s | yeah we just we wanted to make sure that |
| 1061s | while players were cross World there |
| 1062s | wasn't any way for people to kind of |
| 1065s | exploit um the fact that they were cross |
| 1067s | world and and uh mess with different |
| 1070s | world's economies yeah so trading and |
| 1073s | then inviting and right yeah so while |
| 1075s | you're across world you cannot trade you |
| 1077s | cannot interact with that world economy |
| 1080s | um and we've had that teex since |
| 1082s | Crossroad oppr and because we're |
| 1083s | building off of that that shouldn't be |
| 1086s | anything we have to worry about but |
| 1088s | again you know we're watching and if you |
| 1090s | do anything weird we're gonna we're |
| 1092s | going to come for you Kenny's going to |
| 1094s | come for |
| 1096s | you and speaking of community questions |
| 1099s | here's one for you what mode would you |
| 1101s | like to see go cross world |
| 1104s | next if you liked watching uh be sure to |
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| 1110s | in a |
| 1112s | tourn one we're looking at the menus |
| 1114s | with crafting we're making sure that |
| 1116s | there's uh a smaller amount in that so I |
| 1118s | can visually look at that menu and say |
| 1120s | okay you know these are the things that |
| 1121s | I want instead of trying to parse |
| 1123s | through and figure out what's going on |
| 1125s | uh two we're just cutting a lot of the |
| 1126s | food there's a lot of food that just |
| 1127s | doesn't have as much |
| 1137s | value |
| 1140s | oh |