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| 18s | hey everybody Welcome to forge and |
| 21s | eternal the show where we talk about all |
| 23s | things new world today we are going to |
| 25s | talk about the languages of eternum and |
| 28s | uh joining me here is our audio God |
| 30s | Sound and Music uh expert Jed we have |
| 34s | our Lore Master Aaron and our Ace writer |
| 37s | Divia |
| 38s | and yeah I think the thing that you know |
| 40s | the thing that most players probably |
| 42s | want to start with is is where do these |
| 43s | exotic languages that we have for the |
| 46s | corrupted and these and the different |
| 47s | enemy families come from and Jed you |
| 50s | were working on this long before yeah |
| 52s | that was uh quite a while ago actually |
| 55s | um you know it started with uh necessity |
| 57s | we had um the corrupted and they were |
| 59s | not speaking anything and uh you know |
| 62s | designers mentioned like hey they need |
| 63s | to make sounds and was like ah we can't |
| 65s | just you know have them say uh gibberish |
| 69s | right we need to come up with |
| 71s | um something that has um that is |
| 72s | constructed and we started looking for |
| 75s | softwares online |
| 77s | um to generate languages because you |
| 79s | know like movies and TV shows I've hired |
| 82s | people for like several years to develop |
| 84s | languages |
| 86s | um it's it's a lot of money it takes a |
| 88s | lot of time and then every time you need |
| 89s | to translate something you need to bring |
| 90s | back that person if you don't have you |
| 92s | know all the grammar and the future |
| 94s | those tenses and all that kind of stuff |
| 96s | so we actually found a great sell of |
| 99s | software called Virgo Lang |
| 101s | I think it's made in Australia and it's |
| 104s | fantastic so when I first actually |
| 106s | started using it it had like a one |
| 110s | single button that was generating the |
| 113s | languages randomly and it would create |
| 115s | like the title of the language like the |
| 117s | grammar like all the dictionary and just |
| 119s | in a split of a second and it had like |
| 122s | the possibility to generate billions of |
| 124s | different languages it's insane so I was |
| 127s | super stoked about it but then after we |
| 129s | needed to focus and find what would be |
| 132s | the language for the corrupted so I just |
| 134s | started hitting and hitting and hitting |
| 136s | over and over again you know random |
| 138s | languages and taking |
| 140s | uh just one sentence that's actually |
| 142s | always consistent and generated by the |
| 145s | software and I put into Amazon pulley |
| 147s | which is a text to speech synthesizer |
| 150s | and |
| 152s | um that way I could hear how the |
| 153s | language sounded every time I hit uh you |
| 156s | know the random button and at some point |
| 158s | I think we probably tried 100 times but |
| 160s | at some point I found something that was |
| 162s | interesting that feel like you know that |
| 164s | felt like coherent and uh something that |
| 167s | actually I would be able to say and then |
| 170s | after there's the software is fantastic |
| 171s | because you can fine tune the language |
| 174s | you can remove some |
| 176s | um concerns like change the vowels and |
| 178s | and you can make it sound a little bit |
| 180s | more I don't know like French or Spanish |
| 183s | or you know like Arabic or even Greek a |
| 186s | little bit |
| 187s | um so it's it's it's quite cool it's a |
| 189s | cool process yes and and I gotta ask how |
| 192s | come you started with corrupted because |
| 193s | chronologically from the lore team we're |
| 195s | all like why didn't you start with the |
| 196s | Ancients because they came first but |
| 199s | um yeah that's right uh the Ancients at |
| 202s | the time had that |
| 204s | you know that kind of sound they didn't |
| 206s | feel like they needed to speak words |
| 208s | because they're just made out of bones |
| 210s | that was the skeletons that we had at |
| 212s | the beginning but the corrupted um the |
| 215s | special corrupted characters we had to |
| 217s | start with were the broken villagers I |
| 220s | think they're called uh it's the one you |
| 221s | know that has like they look like |
| 223s | zombies |
| 224s | um and so they definitely felt like they |
| 226s | had a vocal tract and you know they were |
| 228s | able to say words and we wanted to give |
| 231s | them |
| 232s | um a variety of a different uh lines so |
| 235s | you have some corrupted that are very |
| 238s | aggressive and some of the ones that are |
| 240s | completely brain dead and if you |
| 242s | actually would understand what they say |
| 245s | some the zombie that I really brain dead |
| 247s | though say like uh where's my sword uh a |
| 251s | little bunny what are you doing here |
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| 261s | and you know they see silly things they |
| 263s | lost their ability to think and uh the |
| 266s | uh the more intelligent one that just |
| 268s | like they want to kill you |
| 270s | um so you know it it helps us to uh it's |
| 273s | a framework to create narrative but the |
| 276s | players don't know about it because we |
| 277s | never translated those lines in the open |
| 279s | world and then after we had to create uh |
| 281s | once we found that was cool we had to |
| 283s | create the language for the entrance and |
| 285s | then we had to create one for the lost |
| 287s | and then after we're like wait wait |
| 289s | um The Players we had to make one for |
| 290s | the players because we have all those |
| 292s | emotes and the players were not saying |
| 294s | anything |
| 295s | and at the time we're looking at the |
| 297s | cost of doing English Spanish Italian |
| 300s | polish and you know all those different |
| 302s | languages times two because we have male |
| 305s | and female characters the cost was |
| 307s | astronomic so we had to come up with a |
| 309s | new language that's the reason I think |
| 311s | the creation of the languages though is |
| 312s | what fascinates me when I came to the |
| 314s | project that languages had already been |
| 315s | created and one of the things I found |
| 317s | very important was the pronunciation so |
| 320s | if you you would do a series of I would |
| 323s | write the dialogue you you would |
| 324s | translate it to corrupted and then if |
| 326s | you read it with just like a normal |
| 328s | English accent you know |
| 332s | and and Michael and I the other sound |
| 334s | designer wonderful Michael uh we were |
| 336s | like no no no this this it's all in how |
| 338s | you're going to pronounce it so we |
| 339s | started playing around and I was like |
| 344s | that's what it should sound like and |
| 346s | Michael's like yeah yeah do that again |
| 347s | so you know we started really working on |
| 351s | how does it sound we know we know what |
| 353s | the spelling is but how does it sound |
| 355s | when somebody who is corrupted speaks |
| 358s | the language and that's when it really |
| 360s | came it came to life for me at that |
| 362s | point I'm like ah I get it I get it |
| 364s | they're all speaking this strange |
| 367s | guttural demonic kind of a speech it was |
| 370s | very cool I have a question for all of |
| 373s | you so how do you match a language to |
| 378s | the species that the language that the |
| 380s | speaking the language |
| 383s | like how did you choose the character |
| 384s | yeah so when you ran by so many |
| 387s | languages and when you are working on a |
| 389s | language how do you know that this life |
| 391s | language |
| 394s | or the enemy that you are creating |
| 398s | so I think like he comes from like uh |
| 400s | like almost like from sound design you |
| 402s | know we listen to an animal like the the |
| 405s | plethora of vocalizations they do and |
| 408s | it's very distinct between different |
| 410s | animals uh and even you know |
| 412s | um in our civilizations all of our |
| 414s | languages have evolved throughout you |
| 416s | know like thousands of years |
| 417s | unfortunately for a game it didn't have |
| 420s | the time to evolve that much but um so |
| 423s | we had to make uh decisions on you know |
| 426s | mostly how they sounded for the |
| 428s | corrupted I mentioned before you know |
| 429s | we're had the ability to narrow down a |
| 432s | little bit the amount of consonants and |
| 434s | vowels and sort of like restrict the |
| 436s | language |
| 438s | um and you have a lot of uh |
| 439s | customization like if people want to try |
| 441s | virgoing it has like a free |
| 444s | um it's it's online you don't have to |
| 446s | install anything so you can test it and |
| 447s | hear it so why make the decision to |
| 449s | shorten it |
| 452s | um I guess like constraints because yeah |
| 454s | when I was randomizing the languages it |
| 456s | all sounded the same at the end right so |
| 459s | we want to make sure we narrow it down |
| 460s | to like a very specific type of sound |
| 462s | then after comes the performance of The |
| 464s | Actors and like like Aaron was |
| 466s | mentioning you know like the intonation |
| 468s | and all that |
| 470s | um layer of subjectivity that people |
| 472s | bring to the language but you know like |
| 475s | for example it the player so |
| 477s | then after once we narrowed down the the |
| 479s | sound of a language we you know try to |
| 482s | we try to create another one with what |
| 486s | the other one isn't using right to make |
| 488s | it sound a little bit different so the |
| 491s | player will say you know drag saw it's |
| 493s | actually that it means hello if you have |
| 495s | like a an emote you'll hear that all the |
| 497s | time |
| 498s | um and if you want to say happy to be |
| 500s | here as a player uh I don't think |
| 503s | there's a emote that says that but it |
| 505s | would be June nice |
| 508s | um but as a lost uh character if you |
| 511s | wanted to say hello it would be we why |
| 516s | and if you want to say happy to be here |
| 518s | would be checking cecia okay so it |
| 521s | starts it starts to sound a little bit |
| 523s | different so I love all of that and I |
| 525s | think it makes a lot of sense from like |
| 527s | the sound aspect and what you are |
| 528s | hearing in connection to the creature or |
| 532s | the person that is speaking |
| 534s | but so now that's from sound but what |
| 537s | about the flavor what about like uh the |
| 541s | Lord the story aspect of it Judd created |
| 543s | this before we started so this language |
| 545s | is fully created and we didn't add |
| 548s | anything to it we've we've chosen the |
| 550s | win we voice corrupted characters or |
| 553s | ancient Guardians are lost like Jed had |
| 556s | mentioned like they say certain types of |
| 557s | things right the lost have lost their |
| 559s | souls so they've lost a lot of their |
| 561s | personality they've lost a lot of their |
| 562s | memories |
| 565s | like the things they're going to talk |
| 567s | about and the things they're going to |
| 568s | say are going to be very different from |
| 570s | you know the things that the corrupted |
| 572s | would say because the corrupts that are |
| 573s | hyper focused they're they're you know |
| 574s | inside they have this this instinctive |
| 576s | you know voice voracious corruption |
| 578s | talking to them |
| 580s | um and that drives what they would say |
| 584s | yeah |
| 585s | but um but yeah I mean but there's |
| 587s | examples among the Lost who are a lot |
| 589s | more cognizant and say you know speak a |
| 591s | lot more intentionally and no more the |
| 593s | siren Queens a great example of that |
| 595s | right yeah that one was super fun one |
| 597s | because |
| 598s | um we wanted to push a little bit |
| 600s | um the first female character what she |
| 603s | would actually say you know during the |
| 604s | combat and we decided to that was |
| 606s | actually the first character we had to |
| 608s | decide design the the Lost language for |
| 610s | and then uh we wanted her to sing along |
| 614s | the music during the uh in the arena and |
| 617s | I don't know if it was a happy accident |
| 618s | or what but the the language is really |
| 620s | suit again talking about the Ancients |
| 622s | when we were talking about what do the |
| 624s | Ancients sound like what what is their |
| 626s | voice so if you just do the conlang and |
| 629s | you just read it like a normal |
| 633s | it doesn't have but now hear it through |
| 636s | the sound that Jed and the sound team |
| 639s | came up with that did you redo that that |
| 641s | thrumming sound like stones are speaking |
| 644s | then suddenly it's |
| 647s | it becomes this amazing thing |
| 655s | so I think a language is more than just |
| 657s | you know here are the letters here's how |
| 659s | you kind of pronounce it it's it's you |
| 662s | know and Game of Thrones does this right |
| 663s | uh Game of Thrones seems so real because |
| 666s | they had a language expert come in and |
| 668s | do the Dothraki language and do the |
| 670s | language of the all the other karth and |
| 672s | all these other places uh who's also by |
| 674s | the way the gentleman who did the |
| 675s | Klingon language |
| 677s | um but yeah so when you're thinking |
| 678s | about the Klingons and again I don't |
| 679s | know if you planned this but if you |
| 681s | didn't what a happy accident when you're |
| 683s | speaking Klingon it should be harsh |
| 685s | guttural clipped short you know to the |
| 688s | point and and you manage that with uh |
| 690s | with the corrupted and I thought I |
| 692s | thought you designed it that way like |
| 694s | you found all the harsh K's and and |
| 697s | harsh sounds and this and you put them |
| 699s | all together into a language but you're |
| 701s | saying no you just randomized it so |
| 703s | there's a little trick to it okay |
| 706s | um when we create a when we work on a |
| 708s | new character and we're looking for you |
| 710s | create those lines |
| 712s | um I use |
| 713s | a thesaurus dictionary okay so that |
| 716s | sometimes the word I'm looking for in |
| 718s | language doesn't exist there's only four |
| 720s | thousand words which is quite a lot |
| 721s | right but um some you know we want |
| 724s | something specific ah it doesn't exist |
| 725s | so I'll just say the English words so I |
| 727s | use the fizzers |
| 729s | um dictionary to find an equivalent and |
| 732s | then I'll replace it and that one is in |
| 733s | the dictionary and then boom I have a |
| 736s | proper uh sentence and then after you |
| 739s | know sometimes we also use the thesaurus |
| 741s | to change the word just because it's uh |
| 744s | it's not easy to pronounce or it doesn't |
| 746s | have a rhythm almost as music you know |
| 750s | that is like Punchy enough and when we |
| 752s | have an intro cinematic or something |
| 754s | that needs to to be Punchy we try we |
| 756s | change the sentence |
| 758s | um in a translator because vogelang has |
| 761s | a translator uh app that lets you do |
| 763s | that so it's quite awesome yeah I know |
| 765s | it's amazing because I did that we were |
| 767s | looking for a name for uh one of the |
| 769s | avatars of corruption right this this |
| 771s | Infamous mysterious Mythic figure and |
| 774s | and I put in the black void I actually |
| 777s | typed in the black void and it popped up |
| 779s | with netanyek and I'm like what a great |
| 782s | if I just sat there thinking of a name I |
| 784s | could not have come up with that name |
| 785s | but I put what I wanted he's the black |
| 788s | void boom like that's fantastic that's |
| 792s | fantastic again happy accident maybe but |
| 795s | what a great happy accident |
| 797s | I said dude it is a kind of AI do you |
| 802s | see AI contributing to language Creation |
| 805s | in any way yeah we're looking at Chad |
| 808s | GPT |
| 809s | um Austin degrees are or delete is um |
| 811s | experimenting with that right now and I |
| 813s | don't know what we'll be able to do in |
| 815s | the future it's still early on but yeah |
| 817s | it won't be long we won't need writers |
| 821s | here's the big question though players |
| 823s | want to know is like how do do they |
| 825s | understand the corrupted language it's |
| 827s | subtitled in the game what's the |
| 829s | explanation |
| 831s | well that's that's a very good question |
| 833s | uh I see it as the corruption has a very |
| 836s | definite goal that it wants to |
| 838s | accomplish so it wants to be understood |
| 841s | so it's almost once it gets into your |
| 843s | system I'll compare the corruption to a |
| 845s | virus once it infuses you and goes all |
| 849s | through your body it almost like you |
| 851s | start now understanding almost on a DNA |
| 854s | level you start understanding what this |
| 856s | thing wants and so they can communicate |
| 858s | with each other of course it's important |
| 860s | for a corrupted to communicate with |
| 861s | humans because it wants something it |
| 864s | wants them to do something |
| 871s | so yeah that's how I see it it's almost |
| 874s | like a language that's spoken in your |
| 877s | blood you know you you have some you |
| 879s | have The Whispers too yeah oh yeah yeah |
| 880s | yeah yeah yeah no the whispers are great |
| 882s | I love whenever we introduce The |
| 884s | Whispers I kept I told Rob this is a |
| 886s | great thing I love The Whispers come on |
| 888s | the you know I mean so it's important to |
| 890s | call out because some characters can |
| 892s | speak corrupted the way we think of it |
| 893s | is that you know when and when a person |
| 895s | becomes corrupted they immediately are |
| 898s | zapped with demon speak right like |
| 900s | they've been infected by this Alien |
| 902s | Force From Another Dimension this this |
| 904s | corrupting evil and this immediately |
| 906s | gives them the ability to speak this |
| 908s | demonic tongue but they don't forget |
| 909s | their old language so sometimes you'll |
| 911s | hear characters like Isabella or Thorpe |
| 913s | you know they'll still speak their |
| 915s | native tongues |
| 925s | um but in the case of like players |
| 927s | understanding like the corrupted dialect |
| 929s | or the Lost dialect like I think of it |
| 931s | like Luke Skywalker understanding R2D2 |
| 932s | like you're like oh okay yeah oh R2 |
| 937s | um it's a there's a little willful |
| 939s | suspension of disbelief you |
| 943s | you would I be able to compare the |
| 950s | in the game yeah because it's a natural |
| 952s | language yeah they're from the same uh |
| 954s | family yeah corrupted all corrupted |
| 956s | should use the same language yeah |
| 958s | and I think that I mean that's a natural |
| 960s | segue to our community question which I |
| 962s | think would be really good which is you |
| 964s | know if you if if what to players what |
| 967s | what language would you like to see more |
| 969s | samples of that you might uh be able to |
| 972s | then translate and figure out how the |
| 974s | language actually works we'd be happy to |
| 976s | share some of that if you'll let us know |
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