For the trophies, I'd suggest making the same trophies available each league so they fill the same spot in the POH and so you can aim for higher spots next league. But what if they had some option, like an inspect or such that listed what your ranks were for ever league you were in? That way the item itself isn't unique to each league but you still had some way to tell.
That's an interesting compromise - thanks for the suggestion!
Hope the uniques (Twisted Horns, POH recolour) are discontinued, once this league is over that should be it.
We're not discontinuing the other rewards.
will the twisted league slayer helm recolour also require 1000 slayer points?
Yes, we added it as an unlock like the other ones.
Just please don't make the non-trophy cosmetics untradeable. Games that do that are disappointing to say the least.
There is nothing more demoralizing than the following:
"Oh gee wow, I'm a new player, how can I get that cool helmet??"
"You just can't. Should have started playing sooner."
":("
A trophy on the other hand is a trophy. Only people who earned it should get one. That's understandable.
We're not looking to do that for the reason you mention. The question we have is if the same applies to the trophies.
For the trophies, I'd suggest making the same trophies available each league so they fill the same spot in the POH and so you can aim for higher spots next league. But what if they had some option, like an inspect or such that listed what your ranks were for ever league you were in? That way the item itself isn't unique to each league but you still had some way to tell.
How do you feel about that potentially ruining the prestige of having the item in the first place? I feel like that is one of the concerns with having the same trophy each league.
If someone already has it then they may feel compelled not to get it again just for a different inspect option and at that point the top 1% becomes more accessible with each League as more people get it.
Why do points carry over?
I feel like if you want a reward from another league you should have to grind that league.
Plus I don't think you guys will be able to hit the same difficulty throughout other leagues, so someone with points saved up from an easier league (Like Twisted where you guys have admitted the balancing isn't 100% correct) will instantly have an advantage even though they haven't played the new league.
If they didn't carry over, players might not feel rewarded for continuing to complete tasks once they have enough points for the reward(s) they want. You make a good point about difficulty balancing - we're considering a conversion system to even this out, so 1 Twisted League point might equal 3 Example League points.
I really hope these are discontinued tradeables, otherwise I'll be pretty upset at every minute I will feel I wasted during this league under the impression they were Twisted League specific tradeable items.
As for trophies, I'm pretty sure we've always known that they are untradeable, would be nice if they were league specific also. People should see a League 1 dragon trophy in a year and be super impressed.
We decided from the beginning that we did not want to create discontinued tradeable items.
Why do points carry over?
I feel like if you want a reward from another league you should have to grind that league.
Plus I don't think you guys will be able to hit the same difficulty throughout other leagues, so someone with points saved up from an easier league (Like Twisted where you guys have admitted the balancing isn't 100% correct) will instantly have an advantage even though they haven't played the new league.
We want players to be able to buy the tradeable rewards from past leagues so that they are not discontinued and if someone just barely missed the mark they can participate next time to get the last few points they need.
We are aware of the balancing issues and that points/hr could be very drastic from league to league and we will try to address that issue however we can once we know what the next league is and what it's rewards consist of
So the cosmetic outfits from this league will be able to be achieved next league?
I wish I knew this more clearly before starting on the league, I wish I spent these copious amounts of hours playing realscape... Damn
They'll still be available, but that means fewer points to spend on any new rewards.
That is a shame that they won't actually hold much value, and definitely put me back on the realscape grind hahaha it's too late now but in future for things like this I would've loved for it to be very clearly apparent that these items aren't Twisted League cosmetics, but just league cosmetics in general.
Fair enough - thanks for the feedback!
if someone just barely missed the mark they can participate next time to get the last few points they need.
This is just rewarding "bad" players.
If they want to get something they should have to grind for it, isn't that the point of OSRS?
It could be cool to see someone wear the tier 3 outfit with the Twisted Slayer Helm because you know they spent a lot of time and played well with a good plan, but after 5 Leagues it's just someone who could have played casually across 5 Leagues.
There's two sides to it.
Firstly if someone earned more points than required. Say, 8000 points. They buy the Slayer helm, banner and teleport and now they have 500 points leftover. We want them to be able to spend those on future leagues. This way this player doesn't feel like he wasted time getting 500 points that are now useless.
On the other hand there's the person who got to 9,500 points and just barely missed out on getting the slayer helm/blueprints so he's going to save his points until he can get the 500 more from the next league. However because there will be more rewards from next league he has to make the choice to sacrifice 500 points from potential rewards in the next one.
We really don't want to have a discontinued tradeable reward system where let's say there are only 5,000 sets of Twisted Horns in the game, they will then have a price that will only go up because some people could get banned, stop playing, or even die with the item and not make it back in time to get it. This is the party hat problem people had where they eventually trend towards max cash.
It might to some extent, but the same would be true even if you changed the trophies. Chances are the trophies wouldn't different drastically league to league so the players who go for Dragon are likely doing it for more than just the trophy. Even if they don't get a separate item in the main game, they'd likely still be interested in going for the top ranks and they would be the type to appreciate more text in a read option on the trophy. The players who would just get Dragon once and stop caring will likely do that regardless of how many variants of trophies you have.
Also, another issue to bring up is how cluttered the game could get if every league does have unique trophies. Five leagues in, they'd either all look rather similar or all try to be unique, which would be worse when you consider how many are now unaccessible to all new players.
The last thing I didn't think to mention in my first post that I'll tack on here is that it really isn't fair to change how the prizes work halfway into the competition. Players went into the Twisted League being told nothing would be unobtainable in the future, so if a month in it is changed so the Trophies are unobtainable, that is a bit of a slap in the face since anyone who would change their priorities based on that is now a month behind. For example, I've been playing leagues fairly casually, but if I went in knowing the trophy was unique, I'd have 1000s of more points by now because I would have put in more time.
That's absolutely fair feedback and when we review all this we will definitely take all of that in to account.
Regarding your other point, I don't see us as changing how the league trophies work because we weren't clear in the original post how they would work, which was an oversight on our part. I've spoken to various people who agreed that after reading it the Trophies would be unobtainable and we were only referring to the trade-able rewards and I've seen other people argue that the not being discontinued applies to everything.
"In the Twisted Leagues reveal blog we stated that League rewards will not be discontinued. However in the rewards section of the Twisted League release post, we specified that the trophies 'can only be claimed by players who attained the specific rank in the League' "
What this blog is trying to do is correct that issue and involve the community with the decision because even as a team we have people on both sides of the debate.
So does that mean when the next TL starts, people will already have thousands of points? Or will they get to store them in the rewards shop forever and start the next TL with 0?
As someone who was waiting for the 2nd iteration of the league as I’ll have more time to play it, I’d be entirely demotivated to play it if people who played the first one start with an advantage
They would have reward points for spending on the items banked, but points that contribute to relics and the high scores would be reset.
I originally voted no to trophies in the original reward poll as I noticed this issue in that blog. I’m of the opinion that trophies should be unique, so as to incentivise league to league play, although I do think that players should be able to obtain ‘replica’ trophies after a certain amount of leagues have passed. Perhaps when league 3 ends, the league shop will offer freebie twisted trophy replicas. The replicas will be named as so to avoid the actual trophies being devalued. This will allow players to fashionscape with unique dragon trophies right away if they work for them, or after (2) other leagues have passed if they are more casual.
I think we'll keep the base models of the trophies and change the logos for each League if we go down that route. In which case, replicas wouldn't really work, right? I think this is assuming the whole trophy looks completely different in each league.
Will leagues be on a rotation?
Let’s just say there’s 5 or 6 different leagues, spread over a year...
Eventually you could return to this one, allowing players to choose different relics or go for other goals, but basically a repeat.
You could then re-earn the trophies, and perhaps “Examining” the trophies in the POH says what league it was from (for example, Twisted League 1, or Twisted League 4).
Obviously there is then an issue of if players would want to do the same one over again.
I think if we did the same league again it would be stale, part of the beauty of it is that players don't know what the metas are.
I'm not opposed to doing a Zeah locked Ironman league at some point in the future but if we did I'd want to change up the tasks and relics substantially. We've learned a lot from this league
Looking at the comments, this seems like a common point of confusion. Maybe the reward currency should be called something else to differentiate it from your league points. League tokens or something.
I think you're right - cheers!
Could it be possible to get all trophies for a league you qualify for instead of just the highest metal?
This is the plan :)
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