11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

I wanted to make this post because there have been a few recent threads relating to the topic of false bans.

Although we are constantly tweaking and updating our detection methods, there has not been any fundamental change we have made that could lead to false bans.

Unfortunately, there is always a possibility for human error. We mitigate this as far as we can through spot checks and sampling as well as exception reporting, which flags unusual trends.

In addition, there are some ban types where although the ban is almost certainly correct, there are other factors such as account hijacking that could result in the account holder not being complicit with the cheating identified.

For this reason we offer players the opportunity to appeal most bans.

There are some types of bans that cannot be appealed, but these are only applied where we have a very high degree of certainty that the ban is correct, typically (1) very obvious, high velocity and easily identifiable bots and (2) bans that are only applied in situations where false positives are incredibly unlikely.

As mentioned, human error can be a factor. Unfortunately, we recently had a situation in which a significant number of accounts were banned, and as a result of our internal checks we identified that some of these bans were incorrect.

It remained likely that most of the banned accounts were botting, but we were not prepared to allow genuine players to be banned for no reason, and so we unbanned all the accounts from that period. False bans in this incident typically lasted about 8 hours, and naturally we apologise to any genuine player who was blocked from playing in this time.

Currently, we are going back over other bans that have been applied using the same tools and analysis as the recent incorrect bans, if we find anything of concern, we will do the right thing and unban any genuine players that we identify. Early indicators are that this appears to be an isolated incident, but it will take us a few days to complete the review.

Despite this recent incident we remain confident that ban accuracy is very high, the Anti Cheating Team do their level best to target ‘botting hot spots’, manually check HiScores for integrity and remove thousands of cheat accounts and billions of gold from game every week.

At the same time, if things occasionally go wrong, I think it’s important that we ‘own it’ and be clear that a mistake has happened, and to assure you that we will learn from it and improve.

I’ll keep an eye on this thread, and will try to comment further when I can.

Edit 1: The incorrect bans from the identified time period that also link to the associated detection method were all removed last night (19/06). We will continue to unban any incorrect bans we find, but the identified time period has now been fully checked

Edit 2: There are a number of comments about checking HiScores, although ACT do what they can to check them, it can be challenging and clearly some obvious cheats remain. That is a fair call and challenge on us, so I will explore what we can do further on that.

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11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

I wanted to make this post because there have been a few recent threads relating to the topic of false bans.

Although we are constantly tweaking and updating our detection methods, there has not been any fundamental change we have made that could lead to false bans.

Unfortunately, there is always a possibility for human error. We mitigate this as far as we can through spot checks and sampling as well as exception reporting, which flags unusual trends.

In addition, there are some ban types where although the ban is almost certainly correct, there are other factors such as account hijacking that could result in the account holder not being complicit with the cheating identified.

For this reason we offer players the opportunity to appeal most bans.

There are some types of bans that cannot be appealed, but these are only applied where we have a very high degree of certainty that the ban is correct, typically (1) very obvious, high velocity and easily identifiable bots and (2) bans that are only applied in situations where false positives are incredibly unlikely.

As mentioned, human error can be a factor. Unfortunately, we recently had a situation in which a significant number of accounts were banned, and as a result of our internal checks we identified that some of these bans were incorrect.

It remained likely that most of the banned accounts were botting, but we were not prepared to allow genuine players to be banned for no reason, and so we unbanned all the accounts from that period. False bans in this incident typically lasted about 8 hours, and naturally we apologise to any genuine player who was blocked from playing in this time.

Currently, we are going back over other bans that have been applied using the same tools and analysis as the recent incorrect bans, if we find anything of concern, we will do the right thing and unban any genuine players that we identify. Early indicators are that this appears to be an isolated incident, but it will take us a few days to complete the review.

Despite this recent incident we remain confident that ban accuracy is very high, the Anti Cheating Team do their level best to target ‘botting hot spots’, manually check HiScores for integrity and remove thousands of cheat accounts and billions of gold from game every week.

At the same time, if things occasionally go wrong, I think it’s important that we ‘own it’ and be clear that a mistake has happened, and to assure you that we will learn from it and improve.

I’ll keep an eye on this thread, and will try to comment further when I can.

Edit 1: The incorrect bans from the identified time period that also link to the associated detection method were all removed last night (19/06). We will continue to unban any incorrect bans we find, but the identified time period has now been fully checked

Edit 2: There are a number of comments about checking HiScores, although ACT do what they can to check them, it can be challenging and clearly some obvious cheats remain. That is a fair call and challenge on us, so I will explore what we can do further on that.

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11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by SnooCalculations2579

My friend has been muted for the last 5 years and it’s gone so bad as he uses an alt to login and talk on his maxed main. Can’t get anyone besides a bot to review his file. His rsn is Chet Zar.

We did message your friend a few days before applying the mute to give them the context of our concerns. Some of the game chat at that time is 'not great' but a perm mute does seem a bit harsh. Given that, and the passage of time, he now has his voice back.

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by [deleted]

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Not part of this recent incident, the ban is from years ago. It has been appealed and in the appeal text there is an admission of (paraphrased) 'a big mistake' cheating and wanting to get the account banned on purpose as a means to quit, which was subsequently regretted. On the face of it that doesn't sound like a 'false ban' sorry

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by Leather_Designer_681

This was me yesterday during a farm run… got banned at 9 am and my account reactivated by 1 pm, didn’t know why or what was going on. Had enough time for my monthly shower though so not all bad news…

Sorry for the hassle, 4 hours sounds typical for this incident (although some are longer).

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by KodaXO

Please look into "jagoodiii" he's a streamer whos been banned for several days

The timing looks right so could be an error, it's these ones I referred to in my OP ".... it will take us a few days to complete the review" - I can see that particular one will be reviewed fairly soon though and we will get to it - ty for your patience

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by osrsbasedgod

Would cost maybe what, 200k a year to get a customer support team together.. and jagex was bought for over 500m l. No more excuses.

We already spend a lot more than that on support but I get the anger/reaction.

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by snugRs

This 8 hour window, is that today? because it doesnt seem to be one isolated incident. Considering its happened on multiple days.

It is from Sunday, but we are checking back against older bans that may have had the same error

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by Firm_Chicken_1598

Show us some proof of jagex manually checking all these incorrect bans? Keep responding to those posting usernames until you setup proper customer support? Focus on your anti cheating team + customer support before working on new updates?

Jagex makes plenty of money and instead of banning those obviously botting on the highscores, going around banning your legit player base. Love it

I can only assure you that the checks are underway. The game team who bring you updates are entirely unrelated to anti-cheating, so there is no no correlation that focussing on one or the other would bring about any change.

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by NeedleworkerOdd1525

Long shot here.. But my main was banned june 14th. Had so many hours of play time on it. Was almost maxed.. and the appeal was denied. Rsn "Control 1" If anyone could please take a look at it. I would appreciate it. Thank you

Fits the group of potentially affected accounts, it will be in the review

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by Longjumping_Ad_2673

u/Mod_stevew what makes the difference between a temp ban and a perma ban. Seems that botters and not botters were caught in this and people that did bot and didn't appeal in the window specified have all been unbanned and the people that did bot and submitted an appeal are banned / waiting on a decision?

I think it would be fair considering this whole issue to let everyone banned in that period have a 2nd chance as a gesture of goodwill.

We are looking at the ban not whether an appeal has been submitted - they will all fall under review

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by Old_Hat_3754

u/Mod_Stevew

i am ine of the people who got banned whit out a reason and my account is still whaiting for the appeal after mulktiple days this is so unfair i cant even describe how i feel a account i have spend so much time on is now just locked for nothing i try and try to reach out everywhere i can but nothing is happening at the same time i see some get lucky and get alot of likes and in hrs getting unbanned plz help me

in game name bello0

Our records show that acc has been unbanned, can you please double check

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by Desperate_Fly_7372

I’ve been permanently muted on my main account I’ve played for years with no warning that another offence would result in a perm mute. I’ve taken accountability, apologised profusely and promised to never use offensive language in game every again and I’ve still had 4 appeals denied. A perma mute on a game where you need to interact with other players is so harsh and needs to be reviewed. I feel someone on the team has taken personal offence and that is drip feeding into the system, which shouldn’t happen, however I have also apologised if I offended anyone at the team too.

The account in question is Mut3dPinkman if any moderator sees this.

From what I can see there are 4 offences, it is a combination of offences that has resulted in a perm mute, not a single incident

11 months ago - /u/Mod_Stevew - Direct link

Originally posted by Lost_Habit_1102

I believe I was falsely banned on 18th June, rsn: "Dr Pig". I would appreciate if you could review. Thank You.

That ban is not part of this incident, it was applied in the same timeframe but is entirely unrelated to the identified issue