[2020] Leagues II - Trailblazer: Clue Scroll Changes Proposal

Originally posted by Bleeding_Irish

Honestly should allow people to re-pick T4. This is just a straight major buff to Unnatural Selection.

I understand it benefits clue relic, but now slayer relic gets access to superior tasks, slayer boss tasks, easy slayer points, and access to tackling clue point tasks.

Clue Relic lost most of its incentive if this change happens.

Edit:

Realistically if you want to promote fun, just give everyone access to both relics since we can't repick.

Clue people get a head start in hoarding clues, while slayer people got their headstart from all the early slayer they got done. It sucks but it's honestly so much better than the current proposal and some of these suggestions.

Just chalk it as a lesson learned for the next league.

Originally posted by King_Clogged

"knowing you can complete every one" Am i wrong here isn't this change going to make every clue possible to complete, and 2-3 steps in a limited pool of steps saves 1 minute a clue xD

Originally posted by NotThingRs

Are you making sure the items required are also attainable in the unlocked areas?

Originally posted by Sarasun

You're just super far off here. Unnatural benefits from this a LOT, LOT more than clue relic does.

This is like if you increased the amount of slayer points from tasks to 50 from 15, then claimed "it still helps out unnatural selection players because they can buy the rewards faster" or something. You're not wrong, but you're also ignoring how insanely strong of a buff it is for the other relic.

Please heavily reconsider this change (or allowing repick of relic 4). If you have to go through with it, buff clue relic in a way that benefits slayer like a change to slayer points earned. Seriously, it's super awful trying to get tasks like kraken, hellhounds or abby demons for boss slayer :(

Originally posted by Bizarrmenian

and making the requirement (at least for non-treasure hunter folks) to unlock all 3 regions first before, it will make both sides fair. u/JagexAyiza

Originally posted by CanterFr

Why is this change being applied to everyone though? Shouldn't this be a straight buff to the clue relic only? This would keep the integrity of the task system, we chose treasure seeker for the 4k points in tasks, now the entire relic will be useless compared to unnatural selection. All this is doing is nerfing treasure seeker mechanics.

Originally posted by Slimeria

1. I believe it was Mod Flippy who suggested that, if you want to complete clues, you should take regions with good clue completion chances. I know several people who did this. My best friend picked exploding attacks because he thought farming clues late game with it would be his ace in the hole. This is unfair to people who chose regions based around completions, people who took clue relic, people who opened cashed in banked clues already, and people who took exploding attacks to farm clues anticipating a scenario where it would take many many stacked clues to do endgame clue tasks.

2. The stackable feature of clues is only really very beneficial for the juggling benefit. Right now you get a massive time save with task picker, but juggling clues is a hassle, and master tasks are more or less dead. After the proposal the only difference really is a 1/25 chance vs a 1 in 20 chance. Treasure Seekers will not be able to reliably farm slayer bosses and are at several disadvantages.

3. Task picker was inherently an early game advantage. Treasure Seeker had not yet begun to confer a meaningful advantage. EVEN IF both relics were given, people who took task picker would be ahead of people who took clue picker due to the time spent on slow tasks.

I feel like there has to be a more fair solution. I understand that clues are just not very fun to complete, but this is massively unfair to several groups of individuals and simply saying "well it's not a change to clues, and everyone benefits" is just disingenuous.

Originally posted by Atalantic

With Last Recall, stackable clues are not a huge time save as you can just recall back to the area where you're farming clues. 1/20 vs 1/25 is not a big difference, especially with unnatural selection's ability to spam clue dropping superiors.

The major draw for Treasure Seeker for most of us is that it increased the odds for us to finish a clue scroll. Removing the variety of clues will already make clues more grindy and less interesting.

Clues outside of masters ARE DOABLE for unnatural selection pickers. Please don't debuff another less popular relic because people who chose the other relic are getting buyer's remorse.

Originally posted by YellowSucks

Just wanna take a moment to appreciate you and the rest of the team working to make these choices and communicate everything. It'd be impossible to please everyone I assume, but leagues has been an amazing experience. Hope you guys are finding time to enjoy it as well.

Originally posted by Aron_b

As someone who picked treasure hunter exclusively because it made juggling clues easier, thinking juggling would be the only reliable way to complete hard, elite and master clues. The answer to your questions:

- I juggle medium clues and above. It's not necessary for medium clues, but it helps alot with the completion rate. Hard tier and above, it's pretty much necessary.

- I don't think it should've been designed the way it is, which makes juggling clues necessary for consistent completion of high tier clues. But the only reason I picked this relic is because Jagex has said very clearly that this was how clues were going to work and that they did not want to make any changes that weren't bug fixes (such as the Zeah steps).

- I feel like it has added an interesting and challenging dynamic. It makes clues take alot more effort to complete, which is partly compensated by the very high rate at which clue uniques drop.

If the proposed changes are implemented, something needs to be done to balance the T4 relics, because this change removes the only redeeming aspect of treasure hunter.