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why wasn't this polled?
why wasn't this polled?
We think this goes against the spirit of the game, which is why we made the change without a poll.
Does this change interaction of a Shove into another Shove?
Just spells?
Shove into another Shove hasn't been changed, only Shove into Bind
Two questions:
Does this change affect PvM? There's some setups, notably tzhaar pickpocketing, where shoving an enemy several times in a row before they can move is important.
How does this interact if you immediately freeze an enemy, then dragon spear? Does the longer freeze of the ice barrage continue?
This change will impact PvM too but only if you were using the Shove special attack into a Bind spell. You can still Shove multiple times in a row as you could before.
Edit RE: your second point, I've just been made aware that the spear special is cancelling the remaining freeze duration which wasn't intended. We're looking into reverting that bit of behaviour.
Edit 2: The issue that caused shove special attacks to remove any existing binds has now been resolved.
if i understand the example correctly you now have 3second imunity from being barraged again after you have just been barraged not just after you have been shoved?
There has always been immunity between one barrage freeze expiring and you being able to be frozen by a new barrage. That shouldn't have changed at all with this.
The wording is a little unclear, particularly around:
" In order to prevent the above, using a Shove special attack will now apply a three second immunity against being bound in place by binding spells like Entangle or Ice Barrage."
Is this meaning to say that there will be a 3 second gap between yourself being able to be frozen/binded/shoved, if shoved, or that using the special attack 'shove' with your own spear will then provide you the 3 second immunity?
If its the former, perhaps add in "...against the target being bound..."
The immunity is only given to the player that was Shoved. I thought it was clear in the example given but I can see your point!
Well done pushing this out so quickly lads. Just to be clear though, you can still spear your opponent multiple times in a row right? So the immunity after a shove isn't also immunity from another shove?
Correct. There is a small period of immunity between multiple Shoves, but that has always existed and remains unchanged :)
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Feel free to send any suggestions my way, happy to look at other things as and when we can!
hey thanks
Hey you're welcome
If you Shove a frozen enemy, the freeze timer ends as the stun effect of Shove wears off. This behaviour hasn't changed, only you now get 3 seconds of bind/freeze immunity once the stun wears off.
This was /u/JagexAyiza's answer to my very similar question.
Let me know if that doesn't answer your question /u/VixaRSonTwitter
In youre example it's only 2 players A and B.
If player A shoves B, can player C barrage B? Seems this was mainly a problem in multi so hope not
Nope, Player B would always get 3 seconds of immunity to being frozen no matter who Shoved them
Oops, didn't see that reply. Thanks! Answers it exactly.
Saves me copy/pasting it :D No worries!
While I understand that this was a huge issue for single way combat, please reconsider this change for multi combat zones. Spearing is a big part of pking in multi combat zones and even necessary and gives single players too much advantage over an entire clan.
After having cast a barrage on a player in multicombat and then spearing him instantly, it seems to remove the freeze entirely. This is broken in multi combat zones.
We did consider deep wild pking, and whilst it will be a change there too, ultimately the decision was it still feels awful having zero counterplay to being frozen in place indefinitely and is something we should have fixed a long time ago.
Any jmod thread is the right thread.
I'm mostly wondering if it'll be available before everyone takes off for the holidays, but its been radio silence since the announcement.
No big content updates before the new year unfortunately. It'll be out before Combat Achievements though I believe.
framed made them do it kek
His video definitely helped amplify the severity of the issue. A lot of the hold up was on my side though honestly. I wanted to make sure we considered our options and looked at a good solution and I just didn't have time to discuss it given the recent blogs I've worked on.
You have literally just ruined multi, ice barrage can be complete counteracted by a 1 itemer with a spear.
The removal of any existing binds when using the spear was unintended as part of this change and we're looking to revert that specifically.
You have absolutely f****d up multi. Why don’t any of you ever consult people who do pvp before you make these reactionary changes. Framed’s video was bang on, you’ve taken this and changed it so now someone can’t be speared from singles into multi because the moment you d spear it breaks the freeze. Now you’ll be d spearing your own team to give them an advantage. It’s clueless.
The constant lack of knowledge you lot show when it comes to pvp is painful and ultimately losing players.
The removal of any existing binds when using the spear was unintended as part of this change and we're looking to revert that specifically.
Thank you. Our clan was going mental.
Yeah, sorry about that! I'll reply here when it's changed and we'll also reply to the tweet we sent out.
Is there any way to limit this effect to PvP worlds only. Otherwise you're going to kill multi clanning as this new mechanic means if you spear a frozen target they will be unfroze and you have a cool down. Seems like this might have been overlooked
Using a spear spec wasn't meant to remove any existing binds. It's being changed now so that existing binds will remain in place as they did before. Sorry about that.
We've just made a slight change to prevent the Dragon and Zamorakian Spear special attacks from removing any existing Binds when used on a player.
The 3 second immunity after the original Bind expires still remains.
Thank you. Our clan was going mental.
It's been changed now, thank you for being patient!
Whatd you eat for lunch today ayiza
I had a large zinger stacker meal with 4 hot wings and a cherry Pepsi max but ate it so fast I've felt sick all day
Literally just has to say "we're open to a ranked PvP ladder/ELO of any kind, let us hear your ideas" and they'll get, for free, the most amazing ideas from the community than they'd ever get putting their whole dev team in a room for a week on paid salary. OSRS loyalty is #1, we even have the top corner of /r/place
JUST GIVE US THE SIGNAL AYIZA, BLACK BACKGROUND YELLOW TEXT IS READY.
The signal has been lit, go go go