over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Hello everyone,

We would like to thank everyone in the Outriders community for your patience, support and assistance. Everyone on the Outriders team is continuing to work hard on improving the game and we'd like to share news about the things we are focusing on.

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

We have been continuing to track and post known workarounds for encountered issues in our Launch Tracking Mega-Thread, but our intention is of course that workarounds shouldn't be necessary. So here is our latest patch news:

Patch News:

First Patch:

EDIT - 09.04.2021 - 19:05 UTC

  • A new patch for PC and PlayStation Platforms will be rolling out over the next few hours.
  • We're a little bit delayed on the Xbox version of this patch, but the Xbox team are being incredibly supportive in helping us get it ready as soon as we can.
    • We are hoping to have this patch ready for Xbox very soon and will update you the moment we have news.
  • This is our first big patch for the main Outriders game.
  • The deployment of this patch is currently scheduled for next week, as we are using this week to identify as many severe issues as possible, fix them and then thoroughly test the changes across all platforms. Submission through platform holders adds on a little bit of time as well, which is why we are not able to deploy this patch any earlier.
  • We are doing our utmost to deliver you a stable patch as soon as possible and we are continually looking at ways to bring the patch release day earlier. This is why we are not yet committing to a patch release date, as we may still be able to release the patch before such a date.
  • We will let you know as soon as we have a confirmed release schedule, so please do keep an eye on our social channels and in particular our Twitter.

First Patch - Patch Notes:

PC & Console Platforms:

  • Once platforms have been updated to the same patch version, cross-play across platforms will become viable again
    • EDIT: 09.04.21 - 19:05 UTC
      • With the release of this patch, Crossplay between PlayStation and PC is now possible.
      • Crossplay between Xbox and PC/PlayStation has been temporarily disabled until the Xbox patch has released.
      • Crossplay between consoles and PC will be fully restored once the Xbox patch has gone live.
  • Overall stability improvements for the matchmaking service
  • Crash Fixes
    • Will Fix a multiplayer crash that could result in client players having their inventory wiped
    • Will fix the crash when completing the "A Bad Day" side quest.
    • Will fix the crash that occurs in No Man's Land when your language is set to Spanish (Yes, we know. Video game code is a magical thing).
    • Will fix crash on launch issues
    • Will include many more "random" crash fixes
      • We are confident that these fixes will address the majority of crashes reported, as there are only a handful of root causes but the crashes they generate appear in a number of places.
  • Will fix the HUD disappearing in certain cases
  • Will fix bugs that interfere with players re-spawning in multiplayer Expeditions
  • Will fix bugs with players getting stuck on geometry (including when using Gravity Leap) or falling out of the world.
  • Will change the default matchmaking setting from "Open" to "Closed".
    • You will still be able to manually change this setting to "Open" through your game settings
    • This change will prevent players from joining games where the host didn't intend to play in multiplayer. It will also cut down on AFK lobbies
    • This will also help improve matchmaking times, as the queues will be less likely to be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of constant matchmaking requests generated by "open" games.
  • Many other minor fixes and improvements

PC Specific:

  • Will Fix a performance issue where GPU is not being fully utilized. This should help with stuttering and DX11/12 issues

Additional fixes and changes are being worked upon to be delivered via our later follow up patch.

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Outriders Community Appreciation Package:

After working on Outriders for more than five years, we were as disappointed as you that the launch weekend did not go as planned. We ran into connectivity issues, which we have explained in full here.

Throughout all of this we really appreciated all your messages of support and encouragement and they helped us power through and improve the situation.

We would like to thank each and every one of you. Beyond just saying it, however, we would like to confirm that we are working on a small "appreciation package" for our launch window players. We are still working through the exact details of it, but our intentions are as follows:

  • All players who played between March 31st and April 11th (UTC timezones) are eligible
  • Any players outside the above window, but for whom we will have performed an automatic inventory wipe restoration are also eligible
  • Your highest leveled character will receive:
    • A level appropriate Legendary Weapon
    • A level appropriate amount of Titanium
    • The emote "Frustration", which is otherwise unobtainable at this moment in time. The irony here was not intentional but is fitting.

These are our intentions, but these details are subject to change based on what is technically feasible for us to do.

We are still determining when the appreciation package will be delivered.

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Inventory Wipes & Restoration:

We believe that the rate of this bug appearing should be greatly reduced once the upcoming patch has been published.

Since the recent patch we have seen an increase in reports of this issue - resolving the inventory wipe is our top priority and will remain so until fixed.

EDIT: 10.04.21 - A NEW INFO GATHER THREAD FOR THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN POSTED HERE.

We still intend to run a one-off mass restoration so anyone affected by this will still see their items restored. Here are our intentions for this restoration:

  • Restoration should take place on a specific day and should be a one-time event
    • The exact date is TBC but we’re hoping for this to occur in the coming week(s)
    • We will update you when we have confirmation of date and timings
    • We will only be able to restore the most valuable tiers of items lost, e.g. Epics and Legendaries.
      • We will be unlikely to restore an inventory full of blue gear.
    • The restoration should be additive to your inventory. It should not replace your current inventory.
    • Restored items may not be have the exact same stats as the lost items

Note that restoration will not be possible for items that were acquired but where the game connection was terminated before an autosave could complete as those items would never have made it into your server inventory/our logs. Such suspended autosaving is noticeable when the yellow autosave icon stays active for a longer period of time.

For any individual restorations that were missed, or that occur in future, we plan to equip our teams to help on an ad hoc basis.

Please note that these are our intentions that we are providing here for transparency. While we will try our hardest to make things right, we unfortunately cannot make guarantees for the specifics of the above or the timeline of this, as we may run into technical difficulties that delay our work.

The Accolades Wipe issue is something we're again looking into whether we can run as part of such a one-off restoration or whether we will need to tackle these cases on a one-to-one basis. Accolades are a more complex piece of data per profile than a piece of equipment, so working through a solution here is taking a little more time.

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Re-balancing:

This re-balancing work can be implemented through backend updates, does not require a patch, and will be run during today’s maintenance window.

IMPORTANT: Balancing is done by a separate team to those who are working hard on preparing the patches. Re-balancing does not impact our progress towards patches or reduce our ability to resolve bugs.

General Balance Notes:

  • Historian, bounty hunt, and monster hunt quests no longer grant Legendary items for each subsequent completion
    • While rewarding players for completing all the Historian, bounty hunt, and monster hunt quests is still our intention, we did observe unintended results when players repeated this activity in combination with a specific multiplayer bug.
    • With this rewards adjustment we want to eliminate this exploit behaviour while still making that quest line worth the effort.
    • Players who took advantage of this exploit will not be punished.
  • Adjusted loot on specific enemies: Tooka Beast, Splittooth, Sandshifter and Coldclaw
    • These particular beasts are being too generous considering the required effort to take them down.
  • Chem Plant - Expedition time for Gold/Silver/Bronze adjusted to 650 / 1150 / 1500 seconds (Previously: 957 / 1303 / 1650)
  • Boom Town - Expedition time for Gold/Silver/Bronze adjusted to 390 / 589 / 776 seconds (Previously: 422 / 607 / 792)
    • Some Expeditions seem to be too generous in their required completion times when compared to others.
    • We want to avoid such disproportionate discrepancies, as we believe making all expeditions viable leads to a more diverse and thus more interesting endgame.
  • Critical Rating Damage Multiplier on Tactical Assault Rifle reduced to 165% (Previously: 175%)
  • Critical Rating Damage Multiplier on Marksman Rifle reduced to 250% (Previously: 300%)
    • Marksman Rifles with a 300% crit rate showed up to be dominating multiple crit builds. By making the modifier the same as for a Bolt Action Rifle, we want to offer players more options when choosing what gun to use.
  • Duration of the Massacre AP buff has been reduced to 3 seconds
    • This is a temporary measure until we have fixed an issue with the stacking cap.

Bullet abilities (Twisted Rounds, Blighted Rounds and Volcanic Rounds):

While we fully intend to provide the overpowered feel for the best builds out there, we are also committed to making sure that there is build diversity in the top performing builds.

Late in the demo lifecycle, we discovered a bug with regards to the bullet augmentation abilities damage calculation formula. While we fixed this bug, some unforeseen imbalances were unfortunately introduced, which has led to bullet based abilities vastly outperforming other skills. The main problem with this is that such bullet based builds require much less investment to make them "top tier", compared to other builds.

To achieve this, we have made a couple of adjustments for the Trickster and Technomancer classes, who benefit the most from their bullet abilities power. It's uncertain as to whether these changes will prove too strong or too weak, so please do consider this to be only the first step, as we will continue monitoring and adjusting them in the future. Just like you, we hope to see more inspiring and crazy combinations of Abilities and Mods!

  • The base cooldown of the Twisted Rounds skill has increased to 25 seconds (Previously: 16 seconds)
    • While infinite uptime on bullets abilities was always our intention, it is intended to be high risk, high reward playstyle. However, given the current power of this skill, there is very little risk involved in this ability given its short cooldown, even when players fail to trigger ammo replenishment. Increasing its cooldown in combination with adjusting its damage should increase that risk and make this playstyle a more thrilling experience.
  • The Trickster's Hero Tree nodes: - Disruptive Firepower, Scion of Power, Outrider Executioner - have had their power reduced to 35% (Previously: 50%)
    • The combination of Twisted Rounds' increase of firepower on top of the multipliers provided by the class tree lead to huge increases of damage dealt by this ability. While we do understand the satisfaction this kind of power can bring, it is currently vastly outperforming our wildest expectations and we therefore need to bring it down a notch.
  • "Vulnerable" status - Power reduced to 15% (Previously: 25%)
  • The Technomancer Hero Tree node -"Damage Against Poison" - has had its power reduced to 15% (Previously: 30%)
    • While the Technomancer's Blighted Rounds do not provide any damage increase on their own other than ignoring armor as Anomaly Damage, they do provide an excellent tool for spreading the Vulnerable and Toxic statuses. which in turn can scale out of proportion.
  • The Pyromancer Hero Tree Node - "Trial of Ashes" - has been reduced 15% extra damage (Previously: 30%)

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Multiplayer Stability and Connection:

Co-op and multiplayer sessions are a separate matter from solo play connectivity.

Launching a multiplayer session, requires multiple different partners and services. For example, matchmaking and queuing are hosted by one service partner, while the peer-to-peer relay is handled by another. Other components are hosted by other partners. This is a normal setup for multiplayer games but is important to mention because when we attempt to track multiplayer or co-op issues, knowing exactly what issue appears at what point is vital.

The upcoming patches should help alleviate crashes in multiplayer as well as improve stability and speed. Because of the complexity of the multiple systems involved, we will continue to improve and iterate upon these systems in order to deliver you a better multiplayer experience. In most cases, this can and has already been done via the backend without patching the game, but it is something we are keeping a close eye on.

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Connectivity Post-Mortem:

tl;dr: Our team worked throughout the Easter weekend and around the clock to resolve the server issues players were experiencing. We completely understand how frustrating this experience will have been especially given the huge amount of players eagerly anticipating the launch. We had enough server scaling capacity but our externally hosted database was seeing issues that only appeared at extreme loads.

We’re committed to full transparency with you. Today, just as we have been over the past year.

So we won’t give you the expected “server demand was too much for us”.

We were in fact debugging a complex issue with why some metric calls were bringing down our externally hosted database. We did not face this issue during the demo launch earlier this year.

Our database is used to hold onto everyone’s gear, legendaries, profile and progression.

Tech-heavy insight:

We managed to understand that many server calls were not being managed by RAM but were using an alternative data management method ("swap disk"), which is too slow for the flow of this amount of data. Once this data queued back too far, the service failed. Understanding why it was not using RAM was our key challenge and we worked with staff across multiple partners to troubleshoot this.

We spent over two days and nights applying numerous changes and improvement attempts: we both doubled the database servers and vertically scaled them by approximately 50% (“scale-up and scale out”). We re-balanced user profiles and inventories to new servers. Subsequent to the scale-up and scale-out, we also increased disk IOPS on all servers by approximately 40%. We also increased the headroom on the database, multiplied the number of shards (not the Anomalous kind) and continued to do all we were able to in order to force data into RAM.

Each of these steps helped us improve the resilience of the database when under extreme loads, but none of them were the "fix" we were looking for.

At this moment in time we are still waiting for a final Root Cause Analysis (RCA) from our partners, but ultimately what really helped resolve the overloading issue was configuring our database cache cleaning, which was being run every 60 seconds. At this frequency the database cache cleaning operation demanded too many resources which in turn led to the above mentioned RAM issues and a snowball effect that resulted in the connectivity issues seen.

We reconfigured the database cache cleanup operations to run more often with fewer resources, which in turn had the desired result of everything generally running at a very comfortable capacity.

All of this has enabled the servers to recover and sustain significantly more concurrent user loads.

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over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by HiImColeHimer

So where’s the aim acceleration issues thought we were getting those controller options. Game feels terrible to shoot.

This will be in the follow up patch.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by Sinister_Depths666

So just to understand does this mean that we can start trying cross play matchmaking today? or should be wait for another larger patch for this I’m the future?

Multiplayer performance is intended to be improved with the patches. Crossplay PC <-> isn't yet fixed, but will be once all platforms are on the same patch version.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by angellus

the peer-to-peer relay is handled by another

Could we have a way to not have P2P relay? At least when we are joining friends / not matchmaking or something. It is really annoying to red bar because of the P2P relay when we are literally on the same LAN.

I understand that a P2P relay can protect users from DOS attacks, but it should never punish friends from playing together (i.e. when you are playing with "trusted" people).

We made this change on PC and Xbox earlier this week to not require relay servers for everyone.

So LAN performance should be greatly improved already today.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by thomasmusic

Why couldn't this be in one big post instead of bringing me to like six different windows

To allow conversations specific to each topic, rather than having a scatttershot of replies spread across a single thread.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by lord_arkaden

Anyone else read this 'As of today' and get super excited that you can finally play with your console buddies... Then get let down by reading the rest of it. 'As of today... the patch is scheduled for next week' :(

Sorry about that - have rewritten that sentence.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by HSCyclone

Thanks, great game. :) Happy cake day

Thank you! :)

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by No_Application8347

What about the Bug when u run any mission and interact with objects that u have 60 FPS ? I mean my Game runs smooth on 120 / Uncapped but if i interact with anything my FPS decreased to 60 and i have to press ESC or Inventory to uncap the FPS again...

This is a known issue, but I don't think the fix will be in the upcoming patch as we had to slim down this patch to get it out faster.

The bug you're describing should be fixed as part of our later patch.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by flappers87

Is there any way to toggle LAN mode?

As my wife and I really shouldn't be getting any yellow/ red network icons when playing together on the same network, but in the evenings (during peak times when Europe and America are playing), we do, which completely hampers our experience. The guest starts rubberbanding, while the host is fine.

But it's absolutely fine during the day, during off peak hours.

I believe It should trigger automatically if it detects you're on the same network or if it detects that the relays would result in too high a ping.

Which platform are you on? We haven't yet made the same changes for PlayStation, and it's possible the no-relay may work between different platforms.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by blackshuu

What about PS4 and PS5 players who are on the same LAN?

We're looking into whether the same can be done for you.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by barrysagittarius

And are you making the change on PlayStation? We have horrid connectivity between two players on the same local network

We're looking into whether the same can be done for you.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by DeluxeTwo

Is there any way to just give the party leader full control? Having to even hit Y now when traveling from place to place or activity to activity is extremely annoying. I don’t see any issues with giving the leader full control. Like what oh he’s going into an area you don’t want to go into? Then communicate or just leave. No one’s forcing you to be in this person’s session.

I believe there should be something to help with this in the follow up patch that we have later down the road.

over 3 years ago - /u/thearcan - Direct link

Originally posted by Warmachine21x

HAPPY CAKE DAY SQUARE!!!!

Thank you!