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These are frequently used timeless jewel seeds by class and one or two most used skills.

In poe.ninja that is, from about 1500 chars that had timeless jewels. So it's skewed because of the high exp/depth. Only for combinations that had three or more occurrences.

Maybe it's interesting, Idk, I'm casual (5th char since Abyss) and like scripting.

For my explosive arrow elementalist, this query gave me a top jewel:

  • increased totem placement speed

  • ignite you inflict deal damage 10% faster

  • 20% increased burning damage

  • 20% increased totem damage

  • regen 1% life

This was Lethal Pride nr. 17760 under Rakiata, not in this result. It fluctuates a lot.

Occurences Ascendancy skill jewel description
3 Ascendant Creeping-Frost Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 2616 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Ascendant Creeping-Frost Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 5168 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Ascendant Creeping-Frost Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 7760 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Ascendant Creeping-Frost Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 7906 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Ascendant Freezing-Pulse Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 2616 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Ascendant Freezing-Pulse Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 5168 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Ascendant Freezing-Pulse Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 7760 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Ascendant Freezing-Pulse Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 7906 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Ascendant Ice-Spear Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 2616 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Assassin Blade-Vortex Glorious Vanity "Bathed in the blood of 2928 sacrificed in the name of Doryani, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal"
3 Assassin Blade-Vortex Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 4395 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Assassin Vaal-Blade-Vortex Glorious Vanity "Bathed in the blood of 2928 sacrificed in the name of Doryani, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal"
3 Assassin Vaal-Blade-Vortex Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 4395 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Berserker Lightning-Strike Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 9165 new faithful converted by High Templar Maxarius, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 10777 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 11023 warriors under Akoya, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 11390 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 11494 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 11959 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 13576 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 14523 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 14658 warriors under Akoya, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 16054 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Berserker Venom-Gyre Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 17556 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Champion Lightning-Strike Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 827 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Champion Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 15030 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Champion Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 16004 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Deadeye Kinetic-Blast Elegant Hubris "Commissioned 122140 coins to commemorate Cadiro, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Eternal Empire"
4 Deadeye Kinetic-Blast Elegant Hubris "Commissioned 128420 coins to commemorate Cadiro, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Eternal Empire"
4 Deadeye Tornado-Shot Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 11278 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Deadeye Tornado-Shot Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 12557 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Deadeye Tornado-Shot Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 14099 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Deadeye Tornado-Shot Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 17034 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Elementalist Explosive-Arrow Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 15953 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Elementalist Explosive-Arrow Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 17856 warriors under Akoya, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 1523 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 1598 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 3113 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 4280 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 4446 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 4894 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 5910 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 6343 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 7005 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 7160 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Elementalist Volatile-Dead Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 786 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Inquisitor Fire-Trap Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 2495 dekhara in the akhara of Asenath, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Inquisitor Fire-Trap Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 6771 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Inquisitor Fire-Trap Glorious Vanity "Bathed in the blood of 2360 sacrificed in the name of Doryani, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal"
3 Inquisitor Righteous-Fire Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 2495 dekhara in the akhara of Asenath, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
3 Inquisitor Righteous-Fire Brutal Restraint "Denoted service of 6771 dekhara in the akhara of Balbala, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh"
4 Inquisitor Righteous-Fire Glorious Vanity "Bathed in the blood of 2360 sacrificed in the name of Doryani, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal"
3 Necromancer Summon-Skeletons Elegant Hubris "Commissioned 108300 coins to commemorate Caspiro, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Eternal Empire"
3 Necromancer Summon-Skeletons Elegant Hubris "Commissioned 77300 coins to commemorate Cadiro, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Eternal Empire"
3 Necromancer Summon-Skeletons Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 7972 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Occultist Cyclone Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 5563 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Occultist Cyclone Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 8172 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Occultist Forbidden-Rite Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 2368 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Occultist Forbidden-Rite Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 5563 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
4 Occultist Forbidden-Rite Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 7538 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Occultist Forbidden-Rite Militant Faith "Carved to glorify 8172 new faithful converted by High Templar Dominus, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Templars"
3 Raider Flicker-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 13060 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Raider Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 10755 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Raider Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 12677 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
4 Raider Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 13060 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Raider Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 14589 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Raider Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 15447 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Raider Lightning-Strike Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 17216 warriors under Kaom, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
3 Saboteur Exsanguinate Glorious Vanity "Bathed in the blood of 7371 sacrificed in the name of Doryani, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal"
3 Saboteur Seismic-Trap Lethal Pride "Commanded leadership over 13981 warriors under Rakiata, Passives in radius are Conquered by the Karui"
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Originally posted by TouhouWeasel

Whatever method you use to collect the data is flawed then -- I think perhaps some people are giving you fabricated data and just copy/pasting from previous notes that they used or something. Are you incentivizing this data collection somehow? Because it's not accurate and the jewels do in fact change from league to league... as stated by GGG themselves (yes, this information comes directly from the devs so it's NOT up for debate).

You have definitely misunderstood something, as what you are claiming is incorrect.

The system by which the modifications to the tree are determined by the seed has intentionally not been changed since it was introduced, so that the items can continue to function the same way. The Historic jewels actually even have an internal "version" value which was included so that if we ever needed to make such changes, we could have them only apply to new gems and distinguish them in some way by describing the version stat, but we haven't had to actually use that so far.

As noted above, changes to the tree do change the results (and some potential changes to the tree might not be obvious or visible to players, but those would be rare), because the passive skills themselves are inherently one of the inputs. But outside of that, the results of a historic jewel don't change unless it's seed does.

In fact there's a minor bug in the code for making those modifications which was not fixed because it would cause changes, just noted for future reference.