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this leaves me with a lot of questions about war cry exertions. Mark seems to be saying that the buddies from general's cry do benefit from the buffs-for-you that exertions give, because the "more damage buff" he's referring to comes from the exert of rallying cry. can i have multiple flavors of exertions active at once? so just walk around spamming intimidating cry + rallying cry + seismic cry, and my general's cry buddies will benefit from all those exertion bonuses?
it's worth noting that the buddies from general's cry do not count as minions, but rather as mirage warriors like from the saviour. i have a lot of questions about those, too. people have reported they give you HH buffs when they kill, but they don't trigger explodey chests. both of those effects are granted by equipment and are both triggered by you killing things, so why does one work and not the other?
That post was uncessarily confusing because I used the wrong term, and has been clarified.
Exerting is applied to attacks you do, regardless of who's skill you use to do so. Buffs on you apply to your stats, which affect your skills, regardless of who's using them.
Mirage Warriors are not you, but use your skill, so if you get a buff, such as from an ally using Rallying Cry, that gives stats which make your skills better, those skills will be better even when used by the Mirage Warrior, because that interaction is about them being your skills. Their attacks are not exerted because they're doing them, not you.
Wait so Mark, are you saying that for excert buffs that effect "your" attacks. These buffs will not apply to your totems/mirages??
My understanding was that totems use a snap shot of all your offensive stats? (Edit: this is wrong they use your offence in real time?)
Bit upsetting if its the case that all these cool new warcrys will not work the mechanics that use a copy of you namely totem attacks and mirages.
Totems have never snaphot your stats.
Exertion is not a buff.
Warcries' Exert effect applies to your next few attacks, not your skills. The attacks you perform are exerted. The totem's attacks, using your skills are not.
Are Mirage Warriors minions? If not, are your mirage warriors considered allies for the purposes of things like Guardian's Unwavering Crusade?
Mirage Warriors are not minions. They use your skills, not their own.
They are allies, but I can't say for sure if they'll work with Unwavering Crusade because I know there are issues with counting nearby minions that don't block, and I'm not sure if these are blocking or not.
So they are like the entities that spawn from The Savior?
Those also update stats in real-time but only use the skill they were summoned with and all stats that directly affect the skill itself.
Yes. The ones from the Saviour are also Mirage Warriors. These are the same, mechanically, with an additional restriction that they can only use the skill once.
Exertion is not a buff.
Just to clarify, Warcry Buff Effect will not make the Exertions stronger, right?
Also, does Warcry Buff Effect increase the maximum cap of a buff (for example the one on Rallying Cry)?
Buff grants added Attack Damage equal to 3% of the damage of your main hand weapon per 5 power, up to a maximum of 20%. Counts both allies and enemies in range for power. This buff has 100% more effect on your minions.
Would the maximum be 40% with 100% increased Warcry Buff Effect, or would it simply make it grant 6% per 5 power with a cap of 20%?
Just to clarify, Warcry Buff Effect will not make the Exertions stronger, right?
Correct. That will apply to buffs.
Also, does Warcry Buff Effect increase the maximum cap of a buff (for example the one on Rallying Cry)?
Buff grants added Attack Damage equal to 3% of the damage of your main hand weapon per 5 power, up to a maximum of 20%. Counts both allies and enemies in range for power. This buff has 100% more effect on your minions.
Would the maximum be 40% with 100% increased Warcry Buff Effect, or would it simply make it grant 6% per 5 power with a cap of 20%?
That cap is on the magnitude put into the buff. That magnitude is then affected by buff effect afterwards.