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over 5 years ago - /u/Mark_GGG - Direct link

The shock and chill of the skitterbots is already an aura, it can't be made an aura again by proliferation. The buff granted by an Aura can't also be an Aura itself - if it could proliferation itself would go infinite.

This has been brought up internally as there are more sources of ailments that are inhernetly auras, and I suspect eventually there will be changes to the description on proliferation to be clearer, but it's not the top of the priority pile at the moment.

over 5 years ago - /u/Mark_GGG - Direct link

Originally posted by KarvarouskuGaming

Hey Mark, sorry for the off-topic question, but if you could enlighten me a bit of the new Null's I'd be very grateful.

Some time ago (like over a year ago) I remember you saying that skills that create minions are minion skills. And thus, adding new 'portion' or 'property' to skills that allow them to create minions would thus make them a minion skill.

Originally Null's didn't work with anything but minion spell gems, so none of the spell + summon phantasm combination shenanigans didn't work. Then at some point (3.6?) something happened and it started working. I originally though this was a bug fix because of your earlier comment, interaction with SP and other skills triggering 'minion skill use' effects (such as increased damage from a jewel if you've used a minion skill recently) working already in 3.5 and the wording of Null's:

Trigger Socketed Minion Spells on Kill with this Weapon

As the wording doesn't specify minion spell gems, but just spells. So any spell with the added property of being able to summon minions via SP should work, and in 3.6 it did.

In 3.7 patch notes we have this line:

Fixed a bug where the Summon Phantasm Support would cause non-minion skills to be counted as minion skills for cases such as Null's Inclination's "Trigger Socketed Minion Skills on Kill" mod.

Which indicates that it was a bug that it worked.

In the same patch, interactions such as gaining extra increased damage with a jewel mod such as "Minions deal x% increased damage if you've used a Minion Skill Recently" being able to be gained by linking SP to a attack or spell (that didn't have minion tag) was also removed.

So, did something change mechanically at some point that now only skill gems that have the minion tag are considered minion skills instead of any skill that is able to summon a minion, or do I just remember your words incorrectly? Or was it bugged at the time when you said it but didn't mention it not working as intended? I wish I could find the original comment, but I can't remember if it was on reddit or on the forums and with the amount of posts you've done since then, especially since I can't pinpoint the exact time when you said it, would make me spend a bigger part of my day just trying to find it, and it could've been edited since then like some patch notes or posts have been.

"[Category] Skills" in PoE means skills for which their gem has the tag (even if the specific instance of the skill doesn't come from a gem). All skills which (inherently) create minions are Minion skills - i.e. they have the Minion tag. There are also some other skills that don't create minions but still have the tag, such as Offerings.

The Phantasm support does not make a skill a Minion skill - supports cannot change the tags of a skill, only it's behaviour. The tags of a skill are based on it's base behaviour, not things supports can add to it - Ice Spear is always a Cold Skill, and never a Fire Skill, even if supported by Cold to Fire, which is a support gem with the Fire tag.

The interaction with Nulls and the Phantasm support was a bug which was caused by the internal systems not having a good enough distinction between the concept of Minion Skills, and the behaviour of summoning minions - the later is important for supportability, but it's the first one, which is definited by the tags, which Nulls refers to.