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POF nerf incoming (as expected) and there’s a couple of interesting figures people might be interested in.

Happiness and health will now affect the XP you get from an animal, so you’re forced to feed the animals. Small animals each need 1 food every 18 minutes, medium animals need 3 food every 36 minutes and large animals each 6 food every 54 minutes.

So what does this mean in terms of actual food?

Small Pen

A chinchompa going from baby to elder takes 42 hours (2520 minutes). On the new figures this means a single chinchompa will require 140 woad leaves to grow, or 840 per pen of chinchompas (assuming all grow from baby to elder). You will need to refill the pen approximately once every 2 days.

Medium Pen

A zygomite going from baby to elder takes 84 hours (5040 minutes). With the new figures, a single zygo will need 420 mushrooms over the course of their life, so 1260 mushrooms per pen going baby to elder. The current GE cost of a mort myre fungus is 2424gp, so to grow a single Zygo from baby to elder you will need to spend 1,018,080gp per zygo in mushrooms (assuming you buy them all off the GE). GF ironmen.

Large Pens

A dragon going from egg to elder takes 168 hours (10,080 minutes). This means that a dragon would need 1,120 raw meat/fish over the course of their life, or 3,360 meat per pen for egg to elder. As a fun fact, miscellania lets you get up to 440 tuna per day, so ironmen won’t be able to sustain a farm of dragons based on the current figures.

I can understand the logic of the nerf in terms of the XP and breeding cycle changes, but the increased food usage seems extremely heavy handed especially given the difficulty of obtaining some food sources like mushrooms (for mains who can buy off the GE as well as ironmen).

Discuss…

Edit

Had a thought about solutions. Add a new NPC to POF (unlockable with beans); Food merchant that sells the food mush. It could charge whatever, 500gp* per mush or something and allow you to just top up the troughs every so often to make sure the animals aren't starving. Edit - changed 50gp to 500gp since given the cost of the normal food it would be ridiculous. You'd still be paying 1.6m per large pen using this method, but that seems fair I think?

And add an upgrade to the troughs similar to the pens for beans - a tier 2 trough holding 10k food and a tier 3 trough holding 25k food. Would help prevent POF being an overpriced dailyscape then.

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over 5 years ago - /u/Shaunyowns - Direct link

Sent this post over for the team, as mentioned in the news post the proposed changes aren't final so I'll see what I can get back from discussions first thing tomorrow morning!

EDIT: Just so you all have visibility of what I've sent


Main issues:

  • The double barrel nerf on non-breeding pens seems really brutal
  • The food intake severely hurts players who want to gather them for their animals (especially Ironmen)
  • Suggestion: Could shiny animal gathering increase the XP up from 70% to 100% of the current XP? Adds more value to them also!

However, the XP nerf players seem to understand why we're doing it, its just the combined changes mentioned that hurts this.


over 5 years ago - /u/Shaunyowns - Direct link

Originally posted by buelens7

The nerf to xp is definitely something they should do, linking it to happyness and health is a amazing idea. (forcing players to feed their animals, while taking - 30% to xp)

But ontop of those 2 the current plan goes full darklight nerf into oblivion by adding another heap of nerfs ontop of it:

It, from a ironman perspective makes breeding animals outside the breeding pen 25 times slower, in the breeding pen 5 times slower (nerfing xp rates by either 80% or by 96% ontop of that), add in that the animals will eat approximately 5 times more.

This compounds to nerfing pof by between 86 and 97,5%, while increasing the cost by 5 times (here is where I'd joke that this is the definition of overkill).

suggestion: link the xp to happyness and do a 35-40% xp nerf ontop of that, don't do the other things


To add: if these nerfs come true, the ironman meta would be to grab aggression potions and a leaf bladed spear, and afk turoths with seedicide for about 2 months straight & never touch farming again


Here's a fun chart of how many days it'd take for a breeding pair in normal pens to populate the pens to full:

A small pen with a breeding pair of chinchompas will take 16 days to go from breeding pair to full (4 children)

A medium pen of zygomites takes you 25 days to get the 2 children to fill a medium pen from empty

A large pen of dragons takes you 22 days to get a single child in the large pen.

Thanks for the effort in this post, I've sent this over also :)