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This is a mirror of a post I made on the Temtem forums found here:

https://www.playtemtem.com/forums/threads/battle-pass-needs-to-give-more-xp-with-math.17123/#post-81034

and I've done the math to prove it.

Before I start, I want to say that a few of the xp values are based on reports I've heard and I have not had time to test them myself, if any numbers are wrong please let me know.

Dailies: postal service: 25 xp

Weeklies: 8 dojo rematches: 100 x 8 = 800 xp

5/5 koish: 900 xp (300 for 4/5 + 600 for 5/5)

use a dye: 600 xp

defeat 40 tems in ranked: 2,200 xp

300 encounters in a chromeon radar: 1,600 xp

capture/hatch a tem with a perfect stat: 1,400 xp

complete parcel delivery for 4 days: 700 xp

complete a lair getting 25+ jewels: 2,800 xp

defeat 15 untamed tems through fishing: 800 xp

purchase any extra tamers paradise token: 1,500 xp

the season and battle pass last for 90 days, which is 13 weeks worth of weekly quests. the battle pass also has 6 "+3% xp" boosts throughout it. I assume these are additive instead of multiplicative giving a *1.21 bonus.

so now the math

dailies: 25 * 90 = 2250

weeklies: (800 + 900 + 600 + 2,200 + 1,600 + 1,400 + 700 + 2,800 + 800 + 1,500) * 13 = 172900 xp (this amount might vary due to a difference in weekly quests, but it shouldn't be enough to matter

total: 172900 + 2250 = 175150 xp 175150 / 3300 = 53.07575... levels

175150 * 1.21 = 211931.5 xp (here I'm being generous since you won't have all the xp bonuses from the start) 211931.5 / 3300 = 64.2216666... levels

So if you were to buy the pass day ONE, do EVERY single package, do EVERY dojo rematch, EVERY weekly quest (some of which suck but that's another issue), you would have a margin of error of about 13931 xp.

One week of quests is + fishing + dojo rematches is 13300

Miss one week and your one extremely thin ice for finishing the pass on time.

Miss two weeks and you'll have to capture (not kill) about 2660 tems to make up for lost xp.

And remember;** I gave all xp bonuses at the start, in reality, **you wouldn't have that until level 41. so the actual total xp is something between 175150 and 211931.5. And also remember; that this is for the paid version, the free pass would have about half of the weekly quest xp instead, giving a total of about 95850 xp, or 29 levels.

In order for a free pass to reach level 60 you would have to catch (not kill) over 19,800 temtem, costing 297,000 pansun for temcards assuming it's a regular temcard and none break.

Oh, and also that would take FOREVER.

The fact that there are even rewards past level 35 in the free tier feels like a sick joke since only premium passes would be able to realistically reach that level in the first place.

This feels like one of those passes that give minuscule amounts of xp to make you spend even more money on levels but...we can't buy more levels, what's the point of making it insanely grindy? I really don't understand why Crema decided to give so little xp, especially for dailies. Every game I play with a battle pass give about half a level from the dailies, not 0.75% of a level... Half may be a bit much in this case since that alone would be 45 levels without even touching the weeklies but still.

The weekly amounts seem fine but not enough on their own and again, some of them might be a bit much for some people (PvP, lairs with 25+ jewels), and some are just...weird (dye something, use a specific radar). But again, that's another issue that deserves another thread.

If you need suggestions for more dailies you could add a daily battle for xp. It doesn't have to be complex or difficult, it just has to exist. (make it give bonus tem xp too plz)

Don't be afraid of players finishing the pass in like half the season's length or less. I'm willing to bet that it will probably make them want to buy it more since they would see all the cosmetics they have "unlocked" but not until they buy them.

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over 1 year ago - /u/ItsTsukki - Direct link

Originally posted by SavageSand

I know yall have more pressing issues to fix ASAP, but will premium passes be refunded for people who aren't really able to make progress if the changes will take a while? Not the novas, the pass. I'd rather hold on to the novas for good cosmetics to come along or for a pass when it's reworked.

Battle Passes are consumed and cannot be refunded. The good part is that we've started with the changes now https://www.reddit.com/r/PlayTemtem/comments/x8x5il/upcoming\_changes\_to\_tamer\_pass\_experience\_and/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3

over 1 year ago - /u/ItsTsukki - Direct link

Originally posted by Gallium_Bridge

I'm sorry, but how do you release a mechanic that is just this mathematically wrong? Did no one think to do some basic number-crunching? I'm sorry, but this was/is silly.

It was tested, numbers were crunched, we thought it was fine. We're just responding to our community's feedback like we always do.