[2020] War Thunder: Raining Fire - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion

Out of nowhere some random update :O

The stream only showed a handful. Yes there will be a bit more.

It's almost as if this was just a sneak peak stream and maybe you should wait for today's blog?

Is anyone allergic to cats?

Sadly it seems the cat does not want to play today guys. Stay tuned to the news over the weekend

Some cats are worth the wait though

Not...this...cat.

Neither tank existed in full so they wont be coming to the game.

Nope. Both just recently received some.

Given the amount of times people asked for the 2A6 in blogs this week, its now pushed back to 2026

Yes, they will receive an aircraft.

At this stage, no.

Blue.

And sorry, I must have not been paying attention, I always say hi back in game

Right now, as you saw from the test server today, the only one we can speak about is the F-4E. As was said on the stream other nations will get them too, but as for specifics, right now we cant say.

Can you PM me the reports for the radar and any other F-104S reports. I will see where things currently are.

Dev Streams and Dev Servers are always very much preliminary and often dont show everything that will be in the patch.

There are no Italian ground vehicles this patch.

Your bug reports were not deleted. You did not follow the guidelines and combined several issues into a singular topic all clustered.

Yes because we would defiantly add a Helicopter barely just in service and with missiles not even finished being trialed and with literally no meaningful information to really go on

Nope. Its not the Wildcat and that wont come anytime soon at all.

Neither of the two in this update are the correct variant of the German one. So not for now.

We know what variant it was and as I said, its not these two.

We showed details on the stream yesterday.

Not with this patch.

The cat is not a lie. When the cat is able to come out it will.

I said stay tuned to the news, not necessarily for the cat alone. There may be something else soon™

We have reminded them all again and waiting for news.

At this point im just going to post a Pic of my cat soon since hes a British short hair so it TECHNICALLY counts because people cant wait for that blog.

MiG-23 is not coming, I was sure we already said that.

AIM-7 is indeed bugged and we are working on those issues.

China will be getting the Q-5 and CM-25 this update.

No. SU-7BLK is the top Soviet this patch.

The British Phantoms have AIM-7 so they are not left behind at all.

There was no dev blog promised this weekend. I said stay tuned to the news and you would have seen the dev server.

As for the cat, it comes when its ready to come.

Ok guys, topic is re-opened.

Please stick to it.

This has already been said about 10 times now. Most of the aircraft are CAS orientated strike aircraft. "Raining Fire" is the CAS theme.

This keeps being asked and as we always say, we cant answer this right now.

Things can always change until the patch comes out.

We already said, there is no chance of that. We do not just have tons of aircraft lying in "close enough" stages to be yanked into a major last minute. Models take months of development and are planned out well in advance. Whilst the planned contents of a major is subject to change (for many reasons), it doesn't just mean after the first dev server we can scramble a whole new vehicle together last second. Development doesn't work like that.

Not to mention, a MiG-23 involves swing wing. A feature and mechanic (and also complicated FM mechanic) we dont even have in game yet. So its not even close to reasonable to expect that for this patch. Especially since we denied it several times already.

We fully understand the wishes to see this aircraft, but once again, we are jumping to huge conclusions before even having proper substance of which to draw them from. Going by the raw paper numbers of Sparrows is not enough.

All of the feedback has already been relayed. Since before we even had Dev Server and during / after that too.

In the meantime, I can provide my cat whilst you wait)))

Sources that the BLK had them please?

Such as? Please provide evidence (sources) to what its missing and I can confirm with the developers.

Its very possible lots of these payloads are planned or already coming. I ask because for me to check, its best to at least present something rather than just waste time with "gib missing paylods" that mean nothing at all.

The devs do and have. I asked because you are asking me and im not a developer. I cant just go to the devs and say "add the missing payloads".

Very soon I believe. Before the major.

We are not going to reveal plans of upcoming updates and what is/is not coming this early.

Not with this patch as you have seen.

Unfortunately its just not possible to add air / ground / naval units for every nation each patch. Even less so for the smaller nations.

We are a multi arms game, so whilst we appreciate that not everyone plays X, Y or Z, that does not change the fact that nations do have big content patches like Italy's was last update.

No.

P-47 Razerback is probably the most requested WW2 aircraft since 2013 far and above almost any other.

USSR is getting the second variant of its SU-7 in a rank where the USSR mostly falls behind in CAS.

IL-28 DDR is not CAS at all really. Its a bomber.

And just last patch

Italy: 22 Ships + 6 Ground Vehicles + 2 Aircraft

Context matters.

Italy does not have a lot of CAS options and the ones it does have are already in the works. But they just had a bumper patch, which included a highly capable top tier CAS aircraft in the form of the best Starfighter variant in game thats about to get even better with Sparrows.

Italian Helicopters are also in development.

By this logic, Italy has 5 top tier MBTs then as the 2 later Arietes have "War Kits" which change the capabilities and appearance of the tank. So its only fair we bring the USSR MBTs up to speed with them a little more

Not with this patch.

A huge major addition to the game with 22 models, but ok, lets ignore that.

Seeing as you yourself counted the German IL-28 and brought that up several times, I dont see how thats relevant here. They are additions regardless.

So even when you deduct the massive addition of the Italian Fleet with 22 vehicles, the overall the maths work out almost the same even when you are comparing a huge superpower nation with huge amounts of vehicles possible to add to a minor nation with a much smaller playerbase, smaller pool of vehicles possible to add and still has several of the best vehicles in game in its tree?

Im not sure what point you are trying to make here. Its simply impossible to give all nations the same distribution all the time. Even so, we still manage many unique additions but the second there is any patch where a nation or too have a pause, its treated as though we ignore them all the time entirely.

We fully appreciate everyone wants new toys. But there are 9 nations with some harder to introduce shiny new things for all the time and also other priorities. Its not always about 1 singular nation.

Its claimed missing avionics that are under investigation (as they are on several other nations aircraft, not just the 104S by the way) dont stop it from using any of the wide CAS arsenal it has that makes it far better than both SU-7 variants for example

Its not my perspective or opinion. Its a matter of fact from the stats and performance of everyone coupled with the fact the Arietes remain some of the most modern, highest pen and most capable MBTs in game.

In terms of pure jet bombers, not CAS aircraft, there are not many to actually add from the current generation before we start talking about the big bois so to speak.

Most of which present their own unique set of issues which we answered in quite recent Q and As. Lets just say its certain that non are anywhere close to "imminent" or anytime soon.

Its far too soon to talk about any of these aircraft.

*Opens topic after several notifactions and reads the last few pages*

Guys, can I please remind everyone to keep political discussions not just out of this topic, but this forum. For the sake of everyone sanity, please just call it the Wunderbolt or German Thunderbolt. Making it even more edgy and riding the forum rules in these political discussions is just not needed.

On top of that, we seem to also have a parallel wish list discussion about Leopards, of which there are non this update. So please take it to the wishlist thread.

What Phantoms and what missiles?

Im not really sure if you are seriously suggesting that the F-4EJ and F-4E really need even better all aspect AIM-9s when they already have the one of the best in game already (AIM-9J) which is not incorrect and accurate.

Right now there is no need at all for them to get all aspect Lima sidewinders at all. As for AIM-7s, they are getting the early ones first. Others may come later.

Jaguars were the big thing missing last dev. All of the content (along with the new French P-40) is pretty much present now.

Updates not here yet, so no reason to just yet.

Well there is of course the new map we showed yesterday that was not complete for dev server.

Everything that was properly bug reported will be actioned accordingly. The devs have been hard at work, and lots of issues such as the Jaguars FMs are already fixed.

Things such as loadouts are often added over time in some cases as most of them were not active service or common at all. Plus there is still the need to review lots of sources for some of the expanded loadouts that were suggested on some, but thats not a valid reason to delay a whole update.

What relevance does this have to the next major update or this topic at all? It does not

Tu-4 is one of the best performing bombers in game. It is where it is in BR because a squad of them for some time had the ability to end a game in one pass and even after a significant amount of changes to both battle composition, win conditions and base bombing it remains the among the top piston engined bomber in game alongside the B-29. Tu-4 is covered in 23mm cannons and receives a very good altitude spawn. AAMs also have much lower chances of lock on due to the lower heat of piston engines. The aircraft cannot go lower in BR as not only would it be at a huge advantage against late props even when they did come close it would still have the strongest turreted air defense in game.

We have no plans to remove this aircraft from the game, as there are a considerable amount of people playing it and doing very, very well for themselves with it. Hence why it has the repair cost it has.

Now please keep discussions in this topic on subject. Your post has been answered (even though it was off topic) and you have been asked several times to steer things back on topic.

Thats the end of this discussion here please. If you want to carry on, please take it to a more appropriate topic.

Oh and as an addendum to my previous answer on this, there may be one last small (and I do mean very small) sneaky surprise vehicle maybe that might just make the update - But that is a big maybe and not a promise.

And its another long requested one (since like 2013). But a very small one.

F-104J and G are not the same plane actually, but thats not why it didnt have those loadouts. There was little to no evidence found when introducing the F-104J that it ever carried more than 2 sidewinders. However thats now been reported and known to the developers. We cant say if it will come in time for the major as there were other issues to resolve.

We have received no evidence that it could carry 6. 4 yes, 6 no and its the same situation as above.

Dont believe ive seen a bug report on this.

The F-104J and F-104G are not the same aircraft and im not wrong because you linked a topic showing the F-104J can have 4 sidewinders. If you read my comment, then you would understood that I said at the time, we didn't have any evidence the J carried more than 2. Now we do.

But that does not make the F-104J "the same aircraft" as the F-104G. There are differences and we are not going to just slap all the F-104G loadouts on the J. The J will get what it actually had in Japanese service.

Please dont assume and then claim its an issue. When you have sources to back it up, then we can do something about it. 4 of them on the T-2K has been backed up by sources and as I already said, is known to the developers.

So have a lot of things, but a discussion thread is not a bug report. So it needs to be properly reported.

This is fun

No news on anything in that position for the moment.

This was from before Ground Vehicles were a thing.

This isnt "back on topic".

I already said the T-2K was reported to have 4 AMMs. Also the F-1 =/= T-2K.

If you want to discuss it more or other issues, please take it to the Japanese air section.

Its not relevant here.

Guys, if you want to discuss load outs, this isn't the place.

If you want to discss F-4, F-100 or any other US loadout, please go here: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/418-general-upcoming/

If you want to discuss T-2K, please go here:

Just because its something you "want" to see this major does not make it relevant to this topic. Thats wishlisting.

We do have the T-2K. But it did not have all the same weapons from the F-1.

It will have all the weapons the T-2K had and that are backed up by sources. If it was not on T-2K but on the F-1 and not shown on T-2K, it wont come.

Please stop derailing the topic after I asked you to move the discussion to the appropriate place: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/460846-mitsubishi-t-2/

It wont be warned again.

We couldn't quite show it in time for the dovlog, but the Thunderbolt Mk I will also have a second historical purchasable skin for those interested in their Far East RAF colours

And there is still that surprise or two to come

Its not possible to find equal popularity and discussion on every nations suggestions every month. Lots of nations have a break now and then.

Nothing this update. If we have something to announce in that area, we will make a proper announcement.

Very minor, but I think they will be much appreciated. But of course, I dont doubt there will still be the standard "but its not a T-90/InsertGermanwunderweponor2A6/Vulcan/etc etc" responses.

Just some very cool and long requested things. But small.

Because its nice to have some surprises and we also dont know for 100% if they will make it.

Some people are disappointed regardless. Nothing we can do to please some, but that doesn't mean everyone else cant enjoy a little cool thing.

Yes, let must just ruin the SURPRISE and make it no longer a SURPRISE

Yes, and we are one of them

https://warthunder.com/en/news/?tags=Development

https://warthunder.com/en/news/?tags=QA

Doesn't mean we still cant have some nice little treats, should they make it in time.

Like I said, there will always be those disappointing no matter what we do.

Doesn't change the fact a lot of people wanted this aircraft for a very, very long time.

It means there is another something that luckily the dataminers have not located yet

Suggestion forwarded to the develo....

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They are not the same aircraft. GR.1 is actually closer to a Jaguar S.

Both Aircraft have different payloads and systems as both nations went their own way with them. There is no reason why one cant get something because the other one didnt have it.

Its not a copy paste. Bf 110 G-4 is a new model and variant of the aircraft.

We dont have any news to share on it for the moment. We also dont announce vehicles 2-3 patches in advance.

We can indeed forward it along, but Germany is hardly lacking either Bf 110s or Schräge Musik equipped aircraft right now and already have an extreamly large air tree. Its not going to hurt them for Italy to have a minor axis exclusive for now.

It was those two.

Not with this patch. If/when there are, we will share it.

Its not actually.

If you would like to see fixes, please make a bug report. Posting it in a discussion topic is not a proper bug report, especially when they are totally unbacked up claims without any supporting evidence.

As you can see from the title, the topic is actually about discusing rumors and news on the update. Not wishlisting the things you want in it. We have plenty of topics for that.

There have been vehciles requested for 5 years, or 8 years like the P-51C. Why is the Marder an exception?

Please stop spamming the topic over and over again and going off topic deliberately. Just a page ago I responded this to a similar question.

The Marder, Puma or any other German vehicle is no exception to that. They will come when they come and we are not just going to start handing out details because you keep asking.

When we have news to share on a vehicle, we do so properly. Right now, there is nothing on those and they are not coming this patch, so its of no relivance here.

They work when you report issues properly with evidence: https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/

Bug reports are not to report something being "bad" however.

Ah yes, because you can find 2 examples of ones that have not been resolved, that instantly invalidates the thousands fixed every major and the many hundreds in all the minors too: https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/

Please do not mislead people.

Indeed and they are being fixed on a daily basis. Its totaly incorrect to claim "bug reports dont work" and "nothing gets fixed". Every major has pages and pages of fixes and the changelogs published weekly for all the issues resolved on a near daily basis. There are more fixed than not.

Now please stop derailing the topic.

Im not discussing it.

You are misleading people and im correcting it with the facts and asking you to take the discussion elsewhere as its my job to do.

Please do not ignore the warnings.

https://warthunder.com/en/news/6851-planned-technical-works-02-09-2020-en

What news about it? Its not planned as far as im aware. Never flew with armament.

We said some time ago minor axis were going to be added to Italy. Its not really news.

Saying goodbye to every rumor topic before it gets locked be like