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Guys, please take the discussion elsewhere. Both the Viggen and Tornado are not coming soon. You can discuss this in the aircraft section.
We have not had a blog on it, dev server or stream. So no, we are not going to say anything about it yet.
As I posted before, we had it planned as a premium from the release of the Swedish tree. But this was only planned and not final as there are also other variants to be considered.
After I just asked to take off topic aircraft discussions away from here, please dont ignore that and carry on.
Mirage IIIE and F1 are not coming this patch, so its off topic.
Dev Blogs and news come when they come. We are not going to keep spoiling things, particularly when some plans can still change.
We have already said several times, the carriers are not related to aircraft that flew on them. If this was the case, we would have to make a new US aircraft carrier model every 5 minutes.
The ones we have coming are suitable for the current game era and will be in operation for everyone.
We said it was in general plans, not 100% that they would be added
Im sure if this argument were flipped around and we said "France dont need any more SPAAGs, because everyone who they are teamed with has good ones already", you would not agree with it, so lets not do this please.
"In service" or "operational" has never been a requirement for a vehicle to be added before. Every tree benefits from that.
You are welcome to hold a personal opinion, but this isn't the place.
If you want to discuss Swedish helicopters, please go here or take it to PM guys:
Frances Air and Ground trees rely on prototypes in several key areas throughout their ranks that also make up some of their most popular vehicles (Lorraine, AMX family, BC) and you yourself and others have suggested many more. Indeed they do have many in service vehicles, but so does Sweden. So this argument is irrelevant, off topic and simply down to personal opinion.
If you want to carry on discussing it, then all of you need to take it to the correct place or PM. Not here.
There is no Swedish Helicopter Tree, French navy, Swiss navy or any other branch like that coming this patch. So the off topic discussions of the last few pages end here please.
Its good thanks until you stumble onto massively off topic discussions
And because a day is without blogs does not automatically mean 2 blogs are due on the next day. Will there be days with 2 blogs? Sure, its likely. When? That depends on when things are ready to show.
Today we had the Anniversary news, which is just as a significant as any blog.
The SK60 this patch will be in the main research tree. Its possible there may be future modifications as premium.
As I said before, it was planned to be, but this aircraft family has multiple variants, so its likely there will be one premium. But for now, this one is going in the main tree.
This is the one used by Sweden themselves and was a main production aircraft. It makes more sense in the tree.
But lets be real, it does not matter what one we make premium, someone will be upset about it.
We are only a few blogs in. We are not going to reveal vehicles not yet announced or start making denials right now.
Yes.
Since we are not even talking about things not even shown for this update, there is no way we are going to start discussing future plans for anything like that.
Good thank you. Hope yours was good too.
We don't plan to do roadmaps as I have said since the older "planned vehicle trees". We have explained why this is not good for many reasons.
maybe this one? I cannot into silly youtube restrictions
Just clean the dust before you launch it ;P
Return of the Spacefire?
Yes.
By your own logic, we couldn't ever have a blog on a new Abrams in the future (if we ever have another one) because we already have 4 of them in game.
MiG-21bis is the most iconic variant of this aircaft and something a lot of people were looking forward too.
We have more blogs to come this week of some things teased and some not yet seen.
It's going in the Soviet tree for now.
Draken is one of the highest performing aircaft in game with highly capable AIM-9J equal missiles now.
Given that we just expanded to 10.7, I'm not sure how you feel 11.3 is even possible and that we would make a whole new BR for a single plane. It's not possible.
MiG-21Bis is no more advanced really than the current F-4Es. It's not powercreep. This actually helps balance things.
R-55 and RS-2US are weaker than what the MiG-21Bis already has. They are worse and R-55 was generally superseded by R-60 anyway.
X-66 AGMs were not possible to fire from all MiG-21s and required a special radar to use.
Did you not read what I just said? They were not possible to fire from ALL MiG-21Bis models and required a special radar to use. Our one is not equipped with that radar. This also is not even a Mig-21 by the way. Look at the wing and undercarriage.
This is incorrect. DCS incorrectly modeled the MiG-21Bis with the ablity to fire them without the proper equipment and even admitted to this mistake. But its lead people to believe all MiG-21Bis family members could fire it. Which is not the case.
The developers have confirmed X-66 could not be fired without the right radar. So you will need to submit a proper report with counter evidence to show a standard Bis without the radar required to fire it, could both equip and fire the missile, because they could not. And no. A picture with one sitting on the wing is not a valid source, especially when its not even a MiG-21 in the picture.
We have asked the developers and historical consultants, but its super late in Moscow now.
This is regarding R-60 and not the X-66/Kh-66 we are talking about here.
The 21Bis already has a huge array of options to the point where they will literally just get in the way and be an extra module for people to go through to get better things. Is that really what your suggesting here?
There have been no "bugs" reported. Ive already responded to the claims made.
As for flares, as Ive said, we have asked, but its late in Moscow right now.
R-60M in any capacity opens up AIM-9L which is why we are not doing either right now.
This variant is not getting them as it is because it needs a spesific radar. Thats confirmed by the developers. It requires a spesific avionics package which not all 21s had. It was the PFM modification.
Consider its like the Firestreak missile on the Swift F.7. You cannot fire it without that radar that has beam riding capabilities. The MiG-21Bis radar cant do this.
This comment above comes from a Russian Community Helper. Perhaps he is not aware of the full situation or you are mistranslating it.
It was me and yes, we are not adding them because the R-60M is all aspect and opens up AIM-9L. Right now they are both simply unnecessary and will not help.
I did respond to you several times saying we wont comment or confirm things not yet announced on a dev blog. Why that wasn't clear I dont understand.
F-4C and E potentially have even more bomb, missile and rocket configurations that could be added. There are quite literally tons of them we could have used on the Phantoms too. So I dont know where you get this "bis limitation treatment" from. Almost all of the Phantoms in game don't have literally every single bomb / missile / rocket ever mounted on them.
It always has been. We are a game. There are design and creative choices that also have to be made too. If you are seriously suggesting that you want extra worse payloads that you wont use, will complain about having to research and then ask us to remove to actually be added, gather enough people who agree with you and we can forward that on to the devs to add a whole bunch of unnecessary and wasteful things )))
There are a whole bunch of aircraft in game that dont have their full payloads, simply because adding everything that they could ever physically carry would be 1) Pointless 2) A waste of modeling time and resources as nobody would actually use them 3) Then give other people more frustration, because they have to use / research something totally unnecessary.
Where are these "mixed signals" please?
I very clearly said that it would be in the main tree and other variants could be premium later.
The first post explaining to you that it was not fully decided yet because it was always planned to be premium, but there are other variants also in consideration for that and then when we could say so for sure, full confirmation that it would be in the tech tree.
Im not really sure how much more I could have been clear up to the moment on that.
This is exactly why we dont respond to things here. Because the finer details can change up to the last moments. So if you ask questions early on even after ive said over 50 times before "its too early to talk about things" yet you still keep asking, we give you the best answers we can at the time.
Far too early to be discussing details like this right now. Everything is very much in development.
We are still into early blogs. There is much more to come and its too soon to comment yet.
Very much so, since I climbed into it to help take photos for it ))
Yeah its very nice indeed to help even in small ways. Fun fact, several of them already are in game that ive been in ))
A picture of something does not mean all models had it and its not enough on its own. Anyway, let wait for their response.
You didn't make it up, its just not even of a MiG-21.
Again, a book and a photo dont tell the whole story. But im not sure why we are still discussing this since as I said, we are waiting on the consultants and developers to respond.
Its not my call to make
I don't believe I said anywhere that we had not already done that?
Its a Mirage IIIC
Im still unsure why people keep asking such questions after us making it clear we are not going to comment before announcement.
We already said there is no new Mirage coming this patch. Mirage IIIC is still performing extremely well too.
Our consultants confirmed they are already checking countermeasure systems, but there are two factors here. 1) this photo alone is not great for implementing them. They need more to actually model it and get it's details right. They are conducting more research now. 2) it's beloved this spesific one was only fitted to later export Bis versions not used by the USSR, but possible some in the Afghan conflicts. But that needs to be verified first.
So that's why we don't have this spesific system right now on the Bis, there is not that much solid info, poor photographs and the question if weather this was the main Soviet operational system. If not then it still leaves open the suspended pods to be considered, but no aircraft in game currently has those including Jaguar GR.1 and the previous MiGs.
It's not actually "the" only reason, it's further explanation on top of the fact. We have new things Im development for all nations. It's just obvious that some nations have far more tech than others.
Also worth noting that before these 2 updates, Russia went quite a while without new tech too. Russia also has one of the largest playerbases In the game, so it's entirely illogical just to add nothing interesting for them or very popular machines that a lot of people want.
You can't keep looking at things from a single nation perspective.
"Mediocre missiles" - You do understand RB24J (AIM-9J) is still one of the best missiles in game currently second only really to Magic? Coupled with the Drakens speed and agility, even without countermeasures, it's near the top of the range in its BR bracket.
Sweden has been in game not even a full year yet and already has a very comprehensive ground and air tree with lots of unique vehicles. Fromhe get go, they had almost all of their domestically designed aircaft and ground vehicles. We cannot add everything for them within a span of 4 patches. They had a ton of vehicles developed for them and lots of work, but we also have to continue work on other nations as well as gradual additions for Sweden too.
Viggen is a highly capable multirole aircraft which will find it's way to War Thunder no doubt some time ahead. But Draken was only added 3 updates ago, its still a top performer and we have other things coming for Sweden too such as the SK60 which was planned for some time.
Draken is competing very competently and comfortably right now, hence why it also went to 10.7. More is to come for future patches for Sweden too, but Viggen is not coming right now.
We have on average over 1000 fixes and improvements every major.
As far as I'm aware, as the name suggests it's T-72A
It's a T-72A with thermals and some Kontakt armour.
People have been asking for a better RU premium for quite some time and we confirmed some time ago in a Q and A that one would come eventually.
What you also see as a "waste of development" in your opinion is also the exact same thing that funds the development of these patches and all of their free content.
So all those vehicles and changes that you and others want to see and ask for can actually exist because of premiums.
You already asked this and we already said yes.
Most other nations already have a thermal or equal level premium and have had them already for some time. Russia was one of the few without.
Your comparing the game in 2014/15 to where it is now in terms of era and technology. The premiums are still under the highest level. Tanks have spread out much more and advanced on significantly since the days your referencing. Not only this, but people don't want to be researching F-4Es with a Spitfire IX. Things move forward, so do premiums.
As I said before, if we had to do another Dev blog per day because someone does not like what we show on any given blog, we would have to make 10 blogs a day.
I have no idea where you got that from but at least as far as I'm aware that's never been the case. We add vehicles nations have and use. If they are fast or not or have thermals has no bearing on the shells they get.
Russian tanks got their higher pen rounds in the past to bring them up to speed with some of the NATO tanks that were far out performing them.
This is a SAAB 105 Export variant, not the Swedish SK.60. SK.60 didn't carry RB-24s
People are always going to jump to conclusions after seeing a few renders and a few paragraphs of text. Of course they are not actually going to wait until even a dev server before coming to an absolute conclusion on the patch overall and this one particular vehicle.
Ive said it so many times in the past, to already know the outcome
We have been saying for ages that T-90 was coming (even last patch said you can expect it after the T-72s are done) and we also made it clear a thermal premium for Russia was also coming.
The tanks have been in development for months. Meanwhile, prior to these patches, Russia had no new MBTs for several patches.
Too soon right now. Its better to wait until we are at least at dev server.
I already posted about it this morning.
The amount of development time and resources needed was entirely correct to both give long awaited and requested vehicles, targeting one of the largest sections of the playerbase and huge part of the core audience of the game.
You have made your point of view very clearly now. You are just constantly going off topic now. So it stops here.
Feel free to start sending it my way via PM if you want for now, or if its better for you, wait for dev and amalgamate it all for single report, tag me and I'll handle it.
France didnt get the Mirage in 1.93 because it wasn't ready then. The aircraft needed a considerable amount of time and resources and also had the distinction (along with Draken) of needing a complete rework of flight models for its Delta tailless configuration. What I dont think you and others are aware of, is these vehicles from all over the world take considerable amounts of time and resources not just to create, but hunt down all the information, photographs, c*ckpit research and countless other things required to make them happen. In the meantime, you are suggesting we are just supposed to stop adding things for everyone else because that particular vehicle needs more time? You do see the massive flaw in logic there that if we just stop adding things people actually want and there is a huge demand for, we then cant add the aircraft like the Mirage that you and others want to see, we cant have all these major updates every year filled with vehicles, features, changes etc and the game itself will die off because by your own logic, we cant add anything for anyone until its all ready at once. Its not possible to do that, especially when all nations have entirely different levels of data available and different levels of access.
Mirage came and it was instantly and still is one of the best performing aircraft in game.
Its all very well looking at things with narrow track perspectives, but you then fail to see flaw that these vehicles you are complaining about are not only popular, well requested vehicles, but also quite literally lead to the ability to implement other vehicles such as the ones you want to see. They help fund the game and thus development of everything.
Now again, you have expressed your personal view more than enough now. Everyone is aware if it. This is no longer relevant at all to this topic.
It wont be warned again.
We already do this as I have said for more than a year in advance in most cases. The point is, this ideal world of everything being ready at the same time does not exist, because information on an American or Russian plane is not the same as French or Japanese one. We always aim not to leave anyone behind, but its not always possible to have everyone have everything at the exact same time.
Im not sure if you seriously believe we slap these vehicles together in a few weeks before an update and then boom, all done. It doesn't work that way.
We have lots of things in development for all nations of course. Not everything can come in a single update, but there is still more to show for this update.
As BVV explained in the last stream, the T-72 family was very much mostly before the T-90 family. We wanted to complete that first, before adding T-90.
Not yet ))
Perhaps calm your attitude down and don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was to do with it being "too advanced" with regards to it's weapons.
If you are seriously comparing an SK.60 and Viggen and saying "they are basically the same" then you really need to re-evaluate your perspective. It's not just weaponry but the platform itself.
Viggen is not coming right now, because it's a modern and advanced jet that can hold its own much more than even Draken which was only added a few patches ago and Sweden itself had only been in game just under a year. They had a huge amount of resources and development focused solely on all the unique models in their trees and we are now finishing with the originally planned machines we said we would add when we launched the tree.
Viggen will come, but not right now as other things were due first.
We have answered this so many times, so I have no idea why it keeps coming up here. Please take it to the Swedish section.
Good morning. Not today that's for sure.
We already said Type 10 wasn't coming, so don't know where you got that from.
I would apricate if you don't make false accusations of me lying and also constantly taking this off topic after I've asked you to take it to the correct place.
Im not lying to anyone, im bringing you the information we have about why its not coming. You claimed it was over something I didn't actually say and then even after re-explaining why you just ignored it again and chose to carry on the discussion. You dont agree with the reasoning and thats fine. Your welcome to discuss Viggen in an appropriate topic. But please do not twist my words and then call me a liar.
We explained very clearly why Draken originally didn't get RB-24J and then when it was corrected.
None of this is on topic. We warned several times about Viggen and it wont be warned again.
This is why Viggen is not coming right now:
If you want to discuss it, please do so in the correct area:
Its too early to tell at this stage.
Nope its not that, I cant sit inside that
There will be one.
We have updated the system requirements on the main website: https://warthunder.com/en/game/about/
Yes, but I think it will be fairly obvious.
The PT boats will still be effective in research for the Costal Fleet branches and this change actually comes with some reductions for larger ships as well.
Those ships couldn't research cruisers or any of the higher tier ships effectively their since their research boost only worked up to tier III
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Is all I see in my notifications too ))
Not with this patch.
Or maybe you keep missing the fact how I and others have said we are not going to start confirming or denying things at this stage. The only things we are commenting on is off topic denials or things relevant to already revealed things.
Please have some patience and stop jumping to conclusions every 5 seconds.
No we shouldn't ))
Those boats were removed from sale before we even had most Cruisers and Rank V. They also didn't work on above Rank III for effective research.
The two different type of fleets will be two separate trees. So just like you can't research a helicopter with a plane, you won't be able to research a Battleship with a PT boat.
They will now be able to research the new tiers in the costal Fleet tree as well as be collectors items.
Yes, as the video shows, they are now two entirely separate trees.
So most nations will have a tree tab like:
Army / Aviation / Helicopters / Costal Fleet / Blue-water Fleet
Where was this said? We were talking about research and trees, not battles.
We already provided a discount for everyone that got the pre-beta PT boat packs for destroyers. They vehicles are not "obsolete". You couldn't research cruisers effectively with them anyways, so nothing has changed in that regard at all. They will be both collectables and still function just the same for the costal Fleet trees.
We are not releasing any new store packs for ships this patch anyway.
Yes. It will be a GE premium in the Swedish tree now. So anyone who has it already in the British tree keeps it there as a UK premium, but there is now an option for everyone to purchase it as a GE premium for Sweden.
All of the ones not being removed will remain and work just as they do now in their respective trees. So if it's a costal ship, it will be a premium in the Costal Fleet tree.
We have never transferred a premium from one tree to another for those that own it. When you purchase a premium it stays with that nation forever.
If you own the UK one it will stay a UK one. But you can buy a Swedish one now if you want to for GE.
It's almost as if this was the Russian stream and we target the audience with what we show ))
We have the English stream later on with some more things to show ))))))
Indeed.
And just before everyone looses there minds with "REEEEE premium Harrier" there is more to come.
Stay tuned to the news.
Thank you. It's amazing to finally see it. Just an FYI now it's out, the others I also sat in and helped photograph were the Jaguar GR.1, Swift, Hunter F.6 and Lightning F.6. Also some additional bits for the Phantoms FGR.2 and Fireflash.
This is the first generation if Harriers. Italy didn't use those.
Harrier GR.1 will be a GE premium.
Stay tuned to the news.
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