[2021] Major Update: - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion

That's probably a new record for off topic spam, we have had to clean the thread a bit

A reminder for those that are already aware, but appear to need another reminder, this thread is not for feedback on the current major, nor to report issues with it.

If you wish to leave feedback on "Winged Lions", you can do so here:

If you wish to report a bug, you can do so here:

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If you believe something is wrong from a historical perspective, you can report that here with your evidence:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1950-historical-reports/

Documented suggestions is for reports that are subject to developer review as a suggestion as they are not something that is a predetermined "issue". This could be armour on modern vehicles which is entirely suggestion based or a missing feature.

It's possible, but not currently planned.

Right at this moment no. They are modules on ships. But we don't exclude the possibility later.

Name was changed. Israel test flight location was also changed.

Providing they still meet the source requirements, they can be passed for consideration as suggestions.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/493062-what-is-appropriate-source-material-for-historical-issues/

Apart from what BVV mentioned in th last Q&A, there's nothing new to say at the moment. If we do, it will be via the news / announcements.

We have explained in the past in great detail of the gameplay challenges and limitations these types of bombers present and why for the air/ground meta, aircraft exactly like the MiG-27 and F-105 are more relevant. Whilst not ruled out entirely, its not something considered for the time being.

Hi guys. We are aware of an issue with the vehicles from the latest update disappearing. We are working to fix this. Thanks for your understanding.

The issue should now be reolved. Please fully restart your clients and make sure to log out / in.

Thanks again for your patience.

A bunch of time travelling server hamsters came to the future from before the patch came out and attempted to take over and steal Christmas. We have now apprehended them and sent them back to the past.

It would depend on when you did that, but yes, it's better to write to support.

We cannot go into specifics about which vehicles may get a remodel. But as we have said, we are continuing to work on newer models.

It is Christmas Eve my dude, we just had the last major only 1 week ago. Little too early to be digging.

Its a bug and a fix is on its way. Just there are a few stacks of builds queued up from over the holidays with lots of hotfixes and improvements. Unfortunately it's a side effect of a previous issue with all the other AIM-9D/G carriers that also had the erroneous 4G overload limit.

Let's remove the tinfoil hats please

There was no set planned date for Chinese helicopters and no mention of them being delayed. All we said was they were within our plans and plans very often can change.

Anything else you have heard has been made up. When we have something offical to say on something in development, we will do so via the news for everyone to see.

Only the 7 days received in error from the code was removed. Nobody lost 7 days that they purchased.

It wasn't a mistake:

and as I said:

There was no mix up. Plans change and nowhere did anyone say they were fully confirmed to 100% come in 2020. Only that they were within our plans for the year.

Plans can and do change.

We are constantly working on new technology for all nations and trees.

VVVV

Those that got the 3 vehicles before the issue was resolved get to keep them.

Guys, if you have any further questions about the store, purchases, redemptions or codes, please use the offical subform as grom said above: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/603-gaijinnet-store-gaijin-market-gaijin-merch-shop-main-website-forum-live-problems-advice/

Not today. Russian Christmas/NY holidays.

It may be possible, but it has not been decided yet and most of the devs (BVV included) are currently away on well deserved seasonal holidays.

The point I was trying to make was that speculative talk = rumour. Indeed nothing was promised for the next major update, but something as being outlined in our plans is not off topic when its a recent rumor.

The discussion on it was fair game here. Please leave talks about what is and isn't to us and the mods. You can simply report any post you feel is rule breaking.

Naturally options have been considered. But there are no plans to have aircraft outside of aviation trees, there is no sense or reason to do so.

Im not sure what you are referring too, as absolutely nothing has changed. We don't generally position things by year. Era has always defined the technological era of a vehicle and its performance, not its "historical" period. Otherwise the ASU-57 would not be Rank III and 4.3 for example.

Much like with tanks, Air is starting to reach an era where in some cases, newer technology was combined with older performance. Again, we have had this for tanks with years. Indeed the argument could be made Air hasn't had this yet, but simply because we hadn't got to this stage yet. But its nothing new. Its been in game this way for years.

We already have 1960-70s vehicles capable of seeing WW2 vehicles. Machines such as the Pbv 301 are 1960/70s with a BR of 2.3. This is not a new thing. Positioning some aircraft in a helicopter tree isn't going to change that.

We are not at the stage yet where any of this is ready to be answered or final.

However we have had a mixed range of jet / prop / cold war eras for several years now. Again this is not new.

We already had this for several years with the War Thunder chronicles events. Everyone who wanted a historical matchmaker wanted it up until the point they realise it involves situations like P-51/B-17 vs Me 262, wherein the events, nobody wanted to be the P-51 and B-17 even with vastly superior numbers. Additionally running any form of permanent mode alongside the standard formula random battles splits the population, increasing queue times and lowering the chances of further BR increases and expansions. Neither are healthy in the long run and given the lack of popularity for purely realistic historical matchmaking, its not something considered viable.

We have nations that never fought one another, fighting on locations they never fought in with aircraft that never actually fought in combat. This immersion is very selective here.

As I have explained, we already have a way of distinguishing rank and this has been long established in the game for years.

Helicopters are a different vehicle class entirely and will not be present in Air RB. Lets keep things on topic and sensible please without the need for unnecessarily sarcastic and quite obvious questions.

We know this from the several years WT Chronicles was run with full historical event matchups including asymmetric numbers to counterbalance better equipment and every other historical MM related event or test we have ever run. There has been more than enough to show its not what the majority want over the years and not what works best for the game.

Its not currently considered. Right now the focus is on the stable implementation of Helicopter PvE.

Never say never, however we have found running themed tasks around historical events that can be completed within random battles to be the more popular formula. Hence our recent series: https://warthunder.com/en/news/7512-special-vistula-oder-offensive-en

But its possible one off events may return from time to time.

Its too soon to speak about any specifics at this stage.

Whilst everyone is welcome to their own personal opinion, it's not to come at the expense of keeping this topic on subject matter. I have already answered the original questions that were and this has now become a personal opinion based discussion on matchmaking and balance. Which is not the subject matter of this topic. There are far more suitable topics where you can post your suggestions and views.

Beyond what we have already said, if there is any new news to share, we will announce it in the Battle pass news when that time comes.

Yes

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An American one. This one is British.

The Pucara is not part of this battlepass.

I would also readjust your expectations for a French vehicle this BP, as France has had one in the last 3 and has a whole season themed around them.

Yes. The "Fearless Voltigeur” season.

If there are new, popular and interesting ones made. Then anything is possible. But there is no guarantee.

I can provide you with a limited edition one way (you won't need a return) ticket to Siberia! )))

Full details of the whole pass and season will be coming along over the coming days/week. You won't have long to speculate and wait. Stay tuned

Defiantly a cool idea and one that's been passed along before. The primary factor and issue preventing being, even with this pretty reasonable breakdown above, its actually even more complicated than that. Sometimes work on a particular vehicle could have started initially in the planning stage 2 years before its actually introduced. Then its could be museum trips, archive visits, book / source acquisition and a lot of elements where the part most people would find interesting would effectively stop for a while and then pop back up. Its not impossible, but it could quite literally take a year from start to finish to make ))

What I could do at least is perhaps do a few small articles here on the forum detailing a bit more about some of the museums we have been to (at least trips I've been on and have the photos to share) for vehicles already in game and talk about that side of the process, the museums / places and how we got to the end result on several aircraft. But that's a much more cut down, all be it easier to actually create snip of what you were actually suggesting.

Once we hit the SEP end of the spectrum, US tanks are effectively done. Sep V3 and 4 are on the complete upper end closer to Challenger 3 levels of nigh impracticality at the current stage. Japan has only just received the Type 10 for example after a considerably long wait after the Type 90(B). We explained in detail why this was, being a mixture of lack of the detailed information we needed to model it and also with the fact the Type 90s themselves were not doing overall poorly and not at the bottom of their performance bracket. As well as the fact the Type 10 would effectively be the end of the road for Japanese MBTs.

Indeed, the US does have more to chose from in this department. But it is again reaching the upper echelons of what's possible with the M1A2 itself having a very strong surrounding line-up, which is also and important consideration to factor in, rather than just going X nation has X MBT but Y has this MBT and this MBT.

More US vehicles are coming, as we have explained in the past, they always have and always will have more to add than most other nations. But with that comes proper content deployment.

Most of those nations do at least have sufficient content that is not just MBTs to add to build more similar line-ups to what the US currently has open. The US still has even more options than many of those that are not just MBTs and again, factoring in how they are already doing in the current context of whoever is current is also a consideration. The US is very far from last in game.

How / when vehicles come as always will be left to Dev Blogs and Dev Streams.

There are already 5 researchable Abrams variants alone, plus the additional 2 premium prototype candidates in game. So additional non-mainline variants are not a priority right now. But not ruled out entirely.

The US already has some of the more populated line-ups at those BRs as it is. But new content is always in the works.

Assets get added to the files all the time. They are pretty meaningless and don't mean anything often. Its not indicative of things to come.

The CDK had tons of unused / incomplete content for several years.

We cannot go into specifics at this stage.

We have no plans to introduce mock-up vehicles of any kind in any capacity. It has been this way since the J6K and the German tree removals.

Guys, any off topic discussions regarding modifications of vehicles, add on kits or any other elements of wish listing can be taken to their respective machinery of war sections or the wishlist thread.

Its not relevant here.

No news to report for the moment.

The Trophies are always in rotation and change between each BP. Rewards will cycle from pass to pass.

The last one we had was a BR update, so you can expect an economy update. Very soon tm ))

There won't be a BR update at the same time. Both are done seperatly.

Passed for consideration means pretty much exactly what it says on the tin.

We pass a selection of player suggestions every month directly to the developers to take a look over. 90% of the time, the developers have already heard of / considered the vehicle in many cases, but suggestions can also show demand for certain vehicles, new possibilities in terms of minor nations, line-up expansion, BR filling and many other things. Its possible sometimes that vehicles can already be within our plans and in progress and a suggestion can sometimes contribute to that process too.

But there are also cases where even if something has demand, its not possible due to lack of enough sufficient information, incompatibility with the game or other external issues.

If a nation has previously had a lot of vehicles previously passed, there are not many active topics or in general other areas have been covered, then sometimes its possible for some areas to take a break one month or two.

There are a lot of reasons why a suggestion may be rejected, some can be shared, others cannot. So its for this reason that we do not do that.

Gifs and videos are not accepted sources for reload rate considerations. This is also a fully stable and stationary vehicle and a bit of a misleading clip to be used in any capacity.

On top of this, reload rates are a soft balance mechanic that can be used for game balance.

Helicopter PvE has been a continuous priority since it's development began. However it's not as easy as just firing everything at it and getting it faster.

Every EC game mode is resource intensive and technologically more complex more than the standard modes. All of them have been faced with significant development challenges, as to be expected for such a mode throughout the years and the new mode is no exception to that.

The Devs have been working on it intensively since the project began and we hope to be able to share it as soon as it's stable and ready to do so.

The number of sales of any premium vehicles don't translate into the speed at which something can be developed and tested, particularly when it's as challenging as EC.

If you can link me the bug report, I can take a look at what's happening. But this isn't really the place as it's off topic.

The new mode will have some new features from other EC modes and others. We trialed a seperate RB mode right back at the beginning of Helicopter battles and it wasn't popular. So for now it will remain in the arcade format.

As we have also previously explained, Helicopters are not designed or suited for a direct air to air (PvP) battle both in reality and how they play in game. This PvE is more suited. Given the small population of Helicopter battles, it's unlikely PvP will carry on at the same time as PvE. But it's too early to discuss that.

You get significantly more RP per hour in the current mode than you ever did in the old modes. So this is both untrue and illogical. "Too much income" has never been a reason to discontinue a mode. We can simply tweak the economy to find the correct balance.

Lack of players / population was the reason why Helicopter battles were stopped and combined into a singular EC mode.

No, as it states, the Premium time is for new players only.

When you login, it informs you of what you can receive and explains in the text below too.

We haven't introduced paper or mockup vehicles for some 2 years now. It's not really new.

It will be the next one due yes, but no ETA we can provide at this time.

The Ostwind II was a fully built prototype. Not a mockup.

If a vehicle actually existed and was used in active testing, then its not a mock-up but a prototype.

By sufficient testing, we don't mean a wooden mockup having wind tunnel tests. We mean proof it was actually built and tested.

We have hundreds of prototypes in game, again nothing is new here.

This has nothing at all to do with this topic. You can submit suggestion topics for those that don't already have one. Re.2006 was an abandoned prototype and wont be added. It never flew.

Those were all added years ago and as we have explained several times now, we no longer plan to introduce any further paper / mock-up vehicles and even took steps to begin removing those that can be replaced: https://warthunder.com/en/news/6317-development-changes-and-optimization-in-the-german-tech-tree-en

The fact that some have never found replacements or were added in a time where they were both wholly necessary for balance (as simply no alternatives existed) and still exist in game is not an excuse or justification to add any further, when we have explained the situation.

Re.2006 was never completed and never flew. Therefor it wont be added to the game under current plans.

Ostwind II and Bf 109Z were both fully built and tested. The comparison is not the same.

Please do not just ignore my previous warning that this has nothing to do with the current topic. You are free to hold an opinion in the right topic, but not derail this one after already course correcting and a warning to end the off topic please.

To be honest, this one was not on my RR bingo card. Big sad.

No. We will always aim to use historical vehicles such as those from lend-lease, post war purchase or other means. Captured vehicles don't go within the main tree anyway and we don't do many of those nowadays anyway.

Germany also has one of the largest and most complete trees and has plenty of jets around that rank and BR.

Mock-ups / Paper are no longer considered.

I don't think there is any need to go further down this rabbit hole.

Grey areas like that depend on exactly how unfinished and how much information is available to sufficiently show it. But this isn't on topic and there is no reason for this to continue here.

Ships are an entirely different matter and we have previously explained in past Q & As our policy on them.

We don't and haven't for some time:

People are also free to make suggestions within those guidelines. Ultimately it's the developers who decide.

It would depend on the level it reached to depend on if it's viable for suggestions. But again, suggestions are just that and are only ever passed for consideration following the famework set for vehicle.

We don't allow or pass vehicles that are mockup or incomplete to a certain level.

Regardless, this isn't on topic and it's been covered. The guidelines are clear.

It's not being removed from any current lineup possibilities, so there is no new gap created by its rank move. Germany already have several good aircraft around that BR.

The gap is covered currently by other aircraft in the German tree. So it's not a priority right now, but possible things may come over time.

Absolutely nothing vehicle wise has been 100% confirmed yet for the next major my dude.

No spesific vehicles have been confirmed. We already mentioned the CBT would start in the next major. Not really the point I was making ))

I did say future update and not next update ))

So who knows (oh wait I do))) )

We are not going to start confirming and denying things this early. We will just hide and if need be, warn off topic spam. Plenty of places to discuss these aircraft without being off topic in this one.

This platform is simply a new method of reporting issues rather than the previous forum based system. There is no need to duplicate already forwarded issues in the old system, its just for new issues going forward, this will be the place to report them.

No, that will remain for now.

When there is an update to share, we will do so via changelogs. Some where resolved already, others had a lack of info or were suggestions.

Yes.

Yes, it's better here for that.

vvv

Over time it will likely all move over.

No because reactions are basically meaningless in a lot of ways.

Sometimes people spam whatever they disagree with and its not uncommon for discord groups to do it en mass in an organised way.

More about the number of times the same thing is mentioned multiple times and in multiple places.

Just to clarify, the policy on prototypes or short runs has not changed. They can still go in the tree. We had the T26E5 and more recently XM975 and DF105.

Yeah you might not want to bet on that.

With regards to the Mirage III for example, there are only a handful of open reports about the aircraft and they are mostly all about additional loadouts (require additional source validation and subject to balancing), c*ckpit instrumentation errors (common for all nations c*ckpits sometimes), and some DM related ones.

As far as I can see, nothing remains "not fixed" to do with performance. All nations aircraft have historical related "issues" under review, many of which turn out to be a conflict of source material, not an issue or ones that have very loose sourcing. Its nothing to do with any one nation or a bias for/against that.

But none the less, this is not a bug report discussion and matters like this can be taken to the relevant machinery of war discussions.

Please read the post fully before you quote and do not selectively ignore parts of it:

MB 157 has just 2 open reports, both loadout related, both down to conflicting sources. F-100D, just one, also loadout related, also in queue but currently the devs are seeking some additional info.

This and the previous post were not an invitation to carry on a discussion. You can do so here: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1267-france/

Germany used the AIM-9J in the USA on their F-104s. It meets the current criteria.

Cuisine Royal took back over ))

Ok a loooot of off topic removed.

I would remind everyone, topics such as this:

Exist for a reason.

Please keep these discussions in the correct place guys. Most of you are not new here and know how things work by now.

Soon™

No current plans, however I am not the forum guru. That would be @Stona

Another gentle reminder guys, this is a video game, not a news forum or Reddit.

If you wish to discuss current world events, please do so elsewhere. A reminder of the rules:

No ETA right now.

All ammunition is subject to balancing. At this current time, there is no news to share on any new shells for the 2D right now.

No harm done, fully understand it was in jest.

However for others its no joke and many play games specifically to get away from the real world and its issues. So please just bear that in mind

Videos are practically useless from an FM perspective and generally not good source material to use at all. Factual based sources that quote specific figures are.

All additional loadouts for any aircraft in game are treated as suggestions and there are plenty for all nations. They are not "ignored", but put into queue, with some requiring further source validation by consultants and historical helpers.

No good faith is lacked. Simply that the statement that "many" reports are piled high for some of these aircraft is simply untrue. But again, there are specific topics where this aircraft can be discussed and where responses and should could have been made:

Off topic removed. A reminder again, this is not the place to discuss real world events and or any implications on the game.

We have already warned about this once. Please do not just ignore it.

You were making direct assumptions and claims about real world factors. Which were incorrect and what grom was reffering too. The subsequent discussion is both off topic and has no place here.

Any further issues should be taken to PM as per the forum rules and not argued with moderation.

The patch isn't delayed. The comment was reffering to blog publication. When things are ready to show, we will.

Oh I'm ready. 7 years of it in June this year for me \o/

Britain has had quite a lot recently with regards to Rank V, VI and VII. But never say never. (Until I can muhahaha)

This is not correct.

The coupons are for the US event vehicles and will remain as such. Thats how they were obtained.

Yeah sure dude since you asked nicely let me just tell you whats coming before any blogs or announcements, oh wait

Its always a good time for popcorn ))))