[2022] "Apex Predators" Update - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion

Done.

Correct. As well as two other vehicles this patch.

Vehicles.

As it was in the teaser, I will also tease and just give one for now ))

It was. Along with ZA465.

No. Used for GR.1 reference.

1B was just an Anti-Shipping variant. Exterior wise they are practically identical (if not identical) unless im mistaken.

Gonna have to tap the sign again unfortunately:

Not this patch as we have already mentioned. It's nowhere near the F-16 shown in the teaser.

Stay tuned to the news to find out what's in the patch.

Any weponary loadouts are not fully final yet and still subject to development.

Even if it does come, one missile also does not mean a significantly later airframe, avionics package and overall much later aircraft (which is one of about 2 options left for Japan at top rank) can come at the launch of much earlier variants.

The current top EC maps are the largest possible in game currently.

Germany and Britian had equal splits (42.5% each) and Italy the minority (15%).

The company was set up in Germany, but it was a three way ownership / project. Initially started by the UK and Germany but Italy joined in the same year.

Most Air RB games finish before that time.

The question (and thus answer) was regarding standard RB. So it is entirely true.

I'm not sure why you are trying to apply my answer to a mode I wasn't reffering too.

"EC maps" these have been in standard RB for several patches now. Its not EC mode.

Italy has something else to look forward this patch. No nation is getting two new Rank VIIIs introduced at the same time.

Yes, looks like you cannot into proper reading and skip part of my answers, so I have decided to remove it completely, to do not create more drama.

Already answered.

Guys, to answer your questions, we are aware Italy used the F-16. It's mentioned in the blog:

"In addition to the United States, a number of foreign countries have become operators of the F-16A Fighting Falcon fighters, including Belgium, Israel, Pakistan, Italy, Indonesia and others."

However for this patch, Italy is planned to receive something, but it's too early to confirm anything at this time. Please stay tuned to the news today to find out more. So we cannot announce it like we have the others.

Whilst this is the launch of Rank 8, more Rank 8s will be added in the future too.

There are plans for the F-16 for Italy. Lots of things are still WIP at the moment. However as mentioned, future patches will also expand Rank 8.

Sorry if I created a confusion.

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Loadouts are not final at the moment.

It's not. It's Jordanian Chieftain.

The German one isn't ready to show yet, but that's most likely where it will be.

Yes. ADV will be a later patch.

A later major update.

The countermeasure pods are being worked on and we're not ready to show during the stream.

Yes.

One of two candidates will come. Whatever is finished first.

They are getting the F-16 at least this patch.

I don't believe there are any planned changes in that area this update.

It's a possibility. But nothing is certain.

If you believe something is wrong, please submit a report when the testing starts. I'm afraid I don't have that info at the moment.

It's not planned for this patch to do so. Right now both aircraft suit their current BR without changes. New top aircraft are also planned in the next updates for both nations as top tier fighters.

The Devs will follow the situation and make any adjustments as required.

It's been mentioned multiple times Italy will get 1 of 2 rank 8s this patch. Including the pinned comment at the top of the thread.

The EJ Kai is moving to Rank 8 as a result and if necessary, it's BR can change. The UK and Germany will receive their own new top fighters in a future update.

When we publish the announcement

We will gather feedback from Dev Server section, as usual.

Thread related to dev server in general discussion would only create confusion.

You can read it here

Feel free to copy the one from archive

The UK will also have 2 Rank VIII jets as the Harrier is moving. As was mentioned on the stream today, the ADV variant of the Tornado will be in a future major update (not this one).

All loadouts for all aircraft are currently WIP. With that said, if you think something specific is missing, please report it and we can pass it on. A mention of certain weight is not really much help.

Planned.

As has already been explained on multiple occasions. Magic 2 already has increased flare resistance over the standard Magic and other rear aspects.

You have not been able to provide any evidence of how else it should be better or by how much by. So it is the best as it can be reliable modelled in game.

So if there is no information available that we can use and already use the best information that is publicly available, coupled with the fact Magic 2 already has increased resistance, im not sure really what you expect.

You continue to claim it should be better, but can provide nothing to substantiate those claims that we can use to make any changes. Only claim that its classified somewhere. In which case, there is nothing that can be done and the missiles are the best they can be. Which you would know.

Magic 2 already has increased flare resistance in game over Magic 1. What other games do has no relevance to War Thunder.

As has already been explained, if you can provide anything that clearly explained how they should be improved or by how much, then something can be done.

Repeating the same claims over and over, without any factual backing for us to base the change on and saying its all classified does not mean we can do anything however.

Not all vehicles of the patch have been shown, however we cannot at this stage confirm the final contents.

Not this patch.

It has not been confirmed that Italy is getting an F-16 this patch yet.

The aircraft it does receive will be detailed when its available.

Germany is receiving the Tornado IDS this patch and a new top fighter in the later patch like the UK.

As I said above, Germany will receive its new fighter in a later patch yes. As also previously mentioned the F-4F and FGR.2/FG.1 will not receive AIM-9L. New top fighters will be added to both nations in a future patch.

The devs will monitor the vehicles statistics and make any decisions from there.

Any changes of weaponry or features for any aircraft will be in the final notes.

Because both may not be ready for this patch as we have already explained and in general no nation is planned to be getting two new top rank 8's in a single patch unless something changes.

Hence why I did not call it a fighter and why I said a new top fighter will be coming later. Not everything added at the higher ranks is fighters all the time.

The answer has been pinned at the top of the topic for the past 11 hours.

Nope.

It was capable of AIM-9G and for balance purposes that's what it will receive. AIM-9Ls would make it instantly better than the tech tree Phantoms.

Pretty much everything Japan has left at top tier air wise is of foreign design origin but with domestic input. But they are not coming this patch, so its too soon to talk about that.

The EJ Kai is being upgraded to become Japans Rank 8 for now. The UK is planned to receive a new top fighter in a later patch. So as I have explained already, the devs do not plan to give the FGR.2/FG.1 or F-4F AIM-9L because they all currently level out at their respective BRs. Both Germany and the UK will receive new top fighters in a future update.

The MLD also moved to Rank VIII as the EJ did. BR changes will again be possible based on how things progress. But at the moment, the Phantoms sit where they ideally level at their BRs.

AIM-9L and R-60M are not directly comparable other than the fact they are all aspect. AIM-9L is significantly better than R-60M. The price is indicative of the rank, as they are all the same at Rank VII.

If you have material to support that, please submit a report and it can be investigated.

Then it cant be used. Wiki is not a valid source.

Could you link me the report please? Ill check its status.

Not using wiki only.

Not planned at the moment.

This is incorrect. You were referring to an export manual in your post here:

This details the armament used by Czech / export MLs. Not the Soviet ML.

Also regarding your second point, the F-4F had no capability to fire the AIM-7. That's not an excuse, it physically could not, as this was deliberately removed for the German air force versions.

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You simply input a summary, description of the issue and attach any links and sources:

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In this case, another user has already reported the issue correctly using the forum dev server section:

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Im not really sure what the purpose of the question is?

This was the version of the aircraft used by the armed forces of China. So naturally that's the variant they receive. The US already has the F-14 that will also be moved to Rank 8 as well as the F-16A joining that. No doubt they will receive further variants in the future too.

That's not really how things can work. The content already planned for this update is (as can clearly be seen on the dev streams and dev server) itself not final or complete. The devs have a roadmap and plan already in place for what needs to be in this major and what's possible to achieve. On top of this is any issues or feedback reported during the dev server. As always, its always a possibility the odd vehicle or extra can make it. But whole new weapon systems that we don't already have in game are not the sort of thing that can simply be fast-tracked to the forefront without proper development time and planning according to our schedule and available development resources. This doesn't just apply to Anti-Radiation / ALARM, but any new feature or weapon systems.

More news will come next week on the remaining Rank VII premiums.

I'm not really what you mean by this? China is getting the version they used in Chinese service. As they have with any other aircraft they have and will continue to do so.

We don't even have them in game yet in any form, so its far too early to define what will get them or when, or even if they will be at all until they are a confirmed weapon.

The Chinese tree in game has and will always used vehicles from all the armed forces of China.

All of its details are available on the store page, blog and the aircraft can also be seen on the dev server currently.

Its armament is currently complete with everything the aircraft had. Unless something is missing for the Turkish starfighters (its not that I'm aware of).

If and when there is, we will be sure to share it. On a Sunday however that's very unlikely

As we have already explained, Russia is getting 9A35M2 which was a more needed and requested vehcile.

If a vehicle is going to come this patch, it will be in the final notes. Please note pining me to ask where X, Y, Z is, is not something I can answer for everything.

Lots are fixed every patch.

The American version coming to the game did not have that capability. Later versions did and as mentioned on the live stream, those versions are also planned. The US also already has the F-14A with plenty of longer range options, with the shorter range, but more agile F-16 coming to complement that.

There are several differences and this version was intentionally chosen to come first. Just how the MiG-21F-13 was the first version to come to the game of that series.

You did get an answer. Please check your notifications before pinging me again with the same questions.

Yes. Its already available on the dev server.

It's not yet fully decided if R-73 will or not come and all loadouts are currently not final. So we cannot comment on missile choices at this time.

Ultimately the Devs will follow the situation closely and any additional missiles may also be considered.

Firstly, no we cant. It doesn't work that way at all when you are working not just with our own deployment but also major partners like Sony and Microsoft.

Secondly, if you think the Christmas season doesn't matter to an online video game, then perhaps you shouldn't be making statements like you do know. Please dont mislead people.

People have equally asking for higher tier CAS for Italy for some time. A top tier fighter is also our priority, however the Tornado is finished first.

Italy is getting their Rank 8 this patch and as we have made, another one is already directly in the works to come afterwards. We cannot delay the whole update and even then it would not come "a week or two" because we are an international company and as you may expect, staff have family's celebrations and holidays over that period. Our major updates and content is planned around the development schedule and resources we have.

I have answered that persons question directly. Its being added now because we do not add fighter aircraft all in the same update and just strike aircraft all in the same update. The two don't correlate. War Thunder has always had bombers, fighters, attackers, naval and all sorts of aircraft. Fighters are directly planned to come too. But because the MiG-29 and F-16 are coming does not mean any other type of aircraft is out of the question.

The F-104S TAF will get its countermeasures as per feedback.

If it were so easy and something we did, we would have done that back in update 1.91 and just pasted the F-4C everywhere and called it quits. Its not how we do things at all. Months of time and development resources go into every model and the devs and artists take pride in the work that they do. Every nation will have at least 1 Rank VIII this patch and more will follow in the next updates.

Each nation received its own variants. We didn't just paste the F-104A everywhere.

The community don't have to badger the devs for flares for the Tornado? We explained explicitly as soon as it was first shown that the countermeasures were coming, just not ready to show yet.

The IDS is coming now regardless, there is absolutely no reason to delay it whatsoever. Not adding it now is not going to mean the other one is ready to add. Thtas not the reason at all. We have explicitly said that a fighter is being worked on and will come when it can.

Multiple nations are also planned to receive new top fighters in the next update. Italy is not by itself here.

Those F-104 models, like the F-16s and Tornados had months of development time put into them. We made it clear that Italy's fighter is being worked on and as soon as its ready it will come in the update that it is. The Tornado however is ready and will be added.

If we have something to show / share we will do so. There may also be updates to the devs server whenever there is new content to show.

That's not what was said at all.

The only news we have had so far is that the TAF version is receiving them. If we receive a further update, we will also share that information.

Hello

The rank requirements on the dev server at the moment are not final. At the moment I don't have details on the final values.

Generally the TAF designation was considered satisfactory in identifying what the variant was.

We will pass feedback about the name of the IDS on for consideration

I don't believe the aircraft is fully finished yet, but as always, it's better to submit a report just to be safe with the evidence

Providing it is properly sourced and clearly defined as the correct variant we have (9-13).

As we mentioned yesterday, the question on the F-104S was forwarded to the Devs. On the J35D however, it's much more unlikely as it's an earlier variant to the J and countermeasures package.

Drop tanks themselves and the aircraft that may receive them are still not final at the moment. It's very much WIP.

The Dev server is still up and has been updated.

We just keep it open for longer periods and update it now rather than close / open a few days apart.

BRs are always subject to change, even post patch.

If you want to submit a suggestion proposal topic. Please feel free. But it's not the place here.

All rank changes to existed aircraft were reverted for the time being. After the patch, currently it's planned to make movements to existing vehciles then. Unless something changes.

Soviet MLs could carry the R-24. The R-24 does not compare to 4 x AIM-9L. The British Phantom was capable of mounting AIM-9G. Giving it 4 x AIM-9L would make it directly better than the tree versions and also drive up it's BR. MIG-23s could also carry R-73, but we are not adding that for them.

BRs can change if the ML performs better.

R-73 will not be added to MIG-23.

I understand. It has R-24 and countermeasures, but as I said it's not getting R-73.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/569898-testing-news/

The vehciles are not yet ready to be placed for testing yet. As the Dev server is due to close tomorrow, it may not be this week. As for position, that will be a little clearer when they are in place.

Welcome and yes it will.