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| 0s | welcome back to the second episode of |
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| 2s | deconstructing this month |
| 4s | Megan sits down with animation experts |
| 6s | Tim sörman and Elise Kaymer |
| 8s | and they talk about their experiences |
| 10s | and mating warframe and all the crafts |
| 12s | and care that goes into making |
| 13s | characters come to life enjoy |
| 16s | [Music] |
| 31s | welcome back to deconstructing I am your |
| 34s | disembodied host Megan Everett in today |
| 36s | adjoining me we have Tim and Elise hi |
| 41s | waving so what are your current |
| 47s | positions here at Digital Extremes I am |
| 50s | a senior animator |
| 53s | yeah and I'm Elise and I'm just an |
| 56s | animator just yeah I'd keep asking to |
| 59s | put some in the head of it so it sounds |
| 60s | cooler I went with 3d animator for a |
| 62s | while just because it's like you know |
| 64s | like oh I'm an animator and they're like |
| 65s | an animator what and I'm like I'm an I'm |
| 67s | an animator |
| 68s | that's a yep you're a space ninja enemy |
| 74s | imagination seeking too far all right so |
| 81s | both our animators which is super |
| 84s | exciting because warframe is huge on the |
| 88s | animation aspect each of you have done |
| 89s | some really cool things with in warframe |
| 91s | that I obviously want to touch on so |
| 93s | people might remember Tim from his debut |
| 96s | of the operator mocap suit video from |
| 99s | the dev stream tell me about that |
| 102s | process and mailing like you I know the |
| 105s | process of how the recording works yeah |
| 108s | how somehow I wound up being the person |
| 110s | in this love to know how you were chosen |
| 113s | out of everyone to be in that operator |
| 114s | it's a very short story nobody else |
| 116s | wanted okay yeah we have a shy shy bunch |
| 119s | of enemies it's kind of cool that we |
| 121s | have our own studio I know other places |
| 124s | mocap studio yeah other places hire |
| 127s | professional actors and we just start |
| 130s | with Tim go go out to a big studio yeah |
| 133s | in a lot of ways their approaches may be |
| 136s | higher quality but the advantage we have |
| 140s | is the quick turnaround the fact that |
| 141s | I'm actually an animator on it means |
| 143s | that I have certain understanding of |
| 145s | kind of the gameplay requirements as |
| 148s | opposed to just the acting side it's |
| 150s | getting to be more the point now where |
| 152s | professional mocap actors are like doing |
| 155s | this as a living and understand the game |
| 157s | systems but I think you're a few years |
| 159s | back not even that far back a lot of |
| 161s | them were just |
| 161s | just actors doing mocap and didn't |
| 164s | understand like oh I have to hit this |
| 165s | idle pose or the importance of ending |
| 168s | with a certain foot forward versus other |
| 170s | foot forward or yeah any of those things |
| 172s | that kind of matter that will reduce the |
| 175s | pain for the animators later cleaning it |
| 176s | up sorry it's really handy for us to be |
| 178s | able to do it ourselves the thing is is |
| 180s | if you're gonna be doing it hey you know |
| 182s | exactly what you're looking for so you |
| 184s | don't have to try and communicate that |
| 185s | to someone else and be it's like a |
| 186s | because you are gonna be animating it |
| 189s | you know what is easy and isn't easy to |
| 191s | fix so you know the bits that you don't |
| 194s | have to worry about the bits that you do |
| 196s | have to get right so I guess it's having |
| 198s | that like extra knowledge of this is the |
| 201s | bit I need to control make sure that |
| 203s | comes out right and as long as I've got |
| 204s | that I can fix the rest myself yeah so |
| 208s | second dream onwards |
| 210s | you've been the operator Moka yeah |
| 213s | pretty much |
| 215s | I mean so the second dream was I don't |
| 218s | know if it was the first time we did |
| 219s | mocap but it was sort of the first |
| 223s | cinematic storytelling acting type of |
| 225s | stuff like obviously a lot of the |
| 227s | gameplay we can't mocap because it's |
| 228s | impossible |
| 230s | ninja physics in space yeah no no we |
| 239s | don't want to see like horrible injuries |
| 240s | that's true second dream was the first |
| 243s | time we had that every once in a while |
| 245s | when we have scenes with like two |
| 247s | characters in it |
| 248s | I've coaxed Scott to get in the suit a |
| 250s | few times he's been tension I think in |
| 253s | like the war within that was all him |
| 255s | being teshon I think we can record up to |
| 258s | four or five people at once but we never |
| 259s | have that many people who are super |
| 262s | interested in putting on a spandex suit |
| 264s | and dancing around in an MD it's not as |
| 268s | bad as it it depends I mean it depends |
| 271s | who's in the room watching what is if |
| 274s | it's just me and the tech animator and |
| 275s | Jeff it's not so bad he's handy for if |
| 277s | you need like a sturdy prop |
| 280s | yeah or somebody to shove you around |
| 282s | like a jerk he seems really eager like |
| 285s | throw the animators on the ground I |
| 287s | don't know no but |
| 293s | are we talking about having emo cups |
| 296s | anything other than operator who's have |
| 298s | been adding the other mode captain |
| 299s | yeah the the worm Queen you were the |
| 303s | worm Queen yeah I was all I was like |
| 305s | three characters in the same scene at |
| 307s | once so obviously I had to take turns |
| 309s | recording and pretending that my other |
| 310s | character was sitting beside me or |
| 312s | whatever yeah yeah it was really fun |
| 313s | actually I like being there look the |
| 315s | little one the nice thing about mocap |
| 323s | acting is you don't have to really be |
| 325s | good at it because you got as many takes |
| 326s | as you want and you know someone's gonna |
| 327s | fix it later okay so you're gonna pass |
| 330s | the time it's my own worry about nailing |
| 333s | it every time or even getting one whole |
| 335s | tape because you could splice them |
| 335s | together after you know we just like |
| 338s | acting through a puppet that we gets |
| 341s | control and the idea of doing that but |
| 344s | we actually get to move physically and |
| 346s | get something that we need is is it's |
| 348s | not actually that big of a leap from |
| 350s | once the other I don't think so it kind |
| 352s | of makes sense for enemy it's my opinion |
| 355s | so is there anything you can tease about |
| 357s | no caps coming up I don't know what I |
| 362s | can say but I mean I I'm mo capping a |
| 365s | new movement set person that you can |
| 371s | control with your controller hmm I don't |
| 375s | know what we had to what extent I can |
| 376s | say how much of a character it is I |
| 377s | don't know that's good that's good I |
| 381s | know what it is Elyse well both of you |
| 387s | had a hand in animating Fortuna at least |
| 393s | I know you had more of a hand in Fortuna |
| 396s | oh right yeah that was the last minute |
| 406s | like addition I remember watching coke |
| 411s | coke are dishonest yeah so I was |
| 414s | watching his stream when the Fortuner |
| 417s | stuff went out I was like see my little |
| 419s | lady guys see my little boy and he just |
| 421s | like went straight past him I was like |
| 425s | yeah that was it more of a like I have |
| 433s | time I'm just gonna throw a little wave |
| 434s | in there I mean there's another time the |
| 437s | cool thing about this is is we kind of |
| 438s | get a lot of crazy freedom of we kind of |
| 440s | get like an area that we get to look out |
| 442s | or a character we get to look at you |
| 444s | know it's it's we always try and give |
| 447s | people bits they they can kind of go see |
| 450s | so you know one of my things was to just |
| 452s | make all the NPC's look as cool as |
| 454s | possible in the time frame that we had a |
| 457s | job yeah obviously with other people's |
| 459s | health it wasn't set up for it yet and |
| 462s | they they wanted all the animation yeah |
| 463s | they didn't know how they were gonna |
| 464s | actually play out yes so Elise was just |
| 466s | like I'll just make up everything what |
| 469s | they hook up or quite sure of it yeah so |
| 471s | it was just kind of like an idea I had |
| 473s | and I threw it in quickly just like |
| 475s | really roughly blocked out I was like oh |
| 477s | yeah that's kind of fun so then did it |
| 479s | properly in this character was like hey |
| 481s | they're standing right in front of you |
| 483s | when you arrive and it just seemed |
| 485s | really I mean the rest of us were just |
| 487s | like oh yeah that characters every we |
| 488s | were kind of used to it but at least was |
| 489s | like why doesn't even acknowledge you |
| 491s | like you should like say hi or something |
| 493s | and so she just did it and then everyone |
| 494s | was like that's the most amazing thing |
| 496s | ever I feel like they recognized me and |
| 502s | I think you know we were always |
| 503s | jam-packed with our schedules but if we |
| 505s | can just give you know a couple people |
| 507s | this extra thing that's cool that that |
| 510s | makes them like like oh I didn't know |
| 513s | they would do that like the whole like |
| 514s | MOA |
| 515s | ducking when you dark like oh yeah that |
| 517s | was a happy accident |
| 520s | yeah I love actually that was really |
| 522s | funny because I was like working on all |
| 524s | the new more animations someone was like |
| 526s | oh my god like everyone's going crazy |
| 528s | about you all mower animations on stream |
| 530s | and I was like what am i I said I heard |
| 531s | from the stream and they're doing the |
| 533s | ducking thing and I was like oh that's |
| 534s | not my one in like forever ago and it |
| 541s | just was the thing that the code was |
| 543s | hooked up in certain way that it |
| 545s | triggered and does like oh well I'll |
| 547s | just take credit for that I guess yeah |
| 551s | was a lot of fun so what is there any |
| 556s | other kind of animations for the Fortuna |
| 558s | NPCs that didn't make it in that were |
| 560s | kind of just like quirky random thought |
| 562s | ones there's characters around that are |
| 565s | like wrenching on stuff and when I |
| 568s | started those animations I was like well |
| 570s | what are they wrenching on they're like |
| 571s | I don't know we haven't built the set |
| 572s | yet just do a bunch of different angles |
| 573s | and we'll make it match and then after I |
| 576s | did them all they were like yeah it |
| 577s | doesn't really fit anywhere so there's |
| 578s | like there's like a handful of people |
| 580s | are wrenching here and there but I made |
| 582s | all these versions of like wrenching |
| 584s | clockwise wrenching like overhead or |
| 587s | down below like kneeling over a Ledge or |
| 589s | something and no no they only used like |
| 591s | two of them or three of them I remember |
| 593s | we were we were playing about in the |
| 595s | because I when I was the anything I've |
| 597s | my cap now is some of the the NPC stuff |
| 599s | like a boss yeah like yeah looks like a |
| 604s | supervisor kind of character which he |
| 605s | wasn't but I thought that's what he was |
| 607s | so I did all these like aggressive like |
| 609s | get faster your job you're doing crap |
| 612s | kind of animations and and then later |
| 615s | you're like oh we didn't really think of |
| 617s | him like that and then so I did all |
| 618s | those those that mock up stuff and |
| 620s | absolutely quick put it in him and it |
| 622s | was like oh I don't know if that's kind |
| 623s | of the way we wanted to go because it's |
| 625s | it's not that he's of the supervisors |
| 627s | that you know it's like higher up than |
| 629s | that and then we put it in it was like |
| 631s | oh no this is kind of cool it's like |
| 632s | they're all stressed out yeah so that |
| 635s | was like a happy accident that we're |
| 637s | like Bob Ross it worked out man yeah all |
| 641s | day every day so even though you did a |
| 646s | lot of wrenching stuff that didn't go |
| 648s | into the game how long did it take you |
| 654s | to do those and then afraid not to go in |
| 656s | was it like a day to do those well so |
| 660s | there was there was a character that was |
| 661s | supposed to be like wrenching and then |
| 664s | he would stop and like pick up his |
| 666s | wrench and shift it onto his shoulder |
| 667s | there was all this like switching grips |
| 669s | his left hand right hand they threw it |
| 671s | all out because he couldn't be wrenching |
| 673s | so they ended up using him for the |
| 675s | bounty who's outside so that you didn't |
| 678s | have to go all the way back into Fortuna |
| 679s | to get quests but they're like there's |
| 681s | nothing for him to wrench on so he can't |
| 683s | be wrenching |
| 684s | and then turn around and talk to you so |
| 686s | you threw all that out and I spent |
| 688s | forever getting all those hand grips to |
| 690s | work but I did like learn how to do it |
| 692s | better so then when I redid it he's kind |
| 694s | of just standing there waiting for you |
| 696s | he's not wrenching or anything but he |
| 697s | does still do a little bit of |
| 699s | manipulation of his big wrench tool |
| 701s | thing and it was a lot easier the second |
| 703s | time didn't take nearly as long nice a |
| 704s | crow here's an owl I'm an expert it has |
| 707s | hammers and wrench |
| 710s | so other than Elise other than the |
| 713s | waving guy at the beginning of the |
| 715s | fortune if you haven't seen him go wave |
| 717s | to him what else have you give him some |
| 720s | love give him some love can't high five |
| 722s | he just wants a friend I'd love to do |
| 723s | the high five but maybe one day slip |
| 726s | so what other characters in Fortuna have |
| 729s | you so I think I did most of the |
| 732s | literally the NPC's so most of the like |
| 735s | non play |
| 736s | non non voiced characters so most of the |
| 738s | guys that want the French guys which |
| 740s | given it like that you see like standing |
| 743s | around or like a lot of it was like |
| 745s | doing different post changes different |
| 747s | idols and we we had like one guy that |
| 751s | was at times fifty like all over the |
| 753s | thing and it's like oh it's just the |
| 755s | same thing over and over again so I |
| 757s | tried to like break it up and do new |
| 759s | stuff I think it's it's always cool to |
| 762s | try and explain it's people who don't |
| 764s | animate Oh kids I feel like you know |
| 766s | when you see like a concept arc like Oh |
| 768s | someone's like digitally painted that I |
| 770s | kind of get that or when you see a |
| 772s | character model it's like oh I get that |
| 775s | like they've had to go in and add the |
| 776s | pause and they've had to you know |
| 778s | construct the mesh and you show some of |
| 780s | the animation and then they're like cool |
| 782s | he's waving or he's bowing or he's |
| 784s | walking like it looks correct |
| 786s | like what well so you made that |
| 789s | character none of the weight or the |
| 795s | movement or the timing or any of that |
| 798s | like exists outside of what we create |
| 801s | you know except for mocap where we get a |
| 803s | base but even the base like we have to |
| 805s | do a lot to make it look cool and you |
| 807s | know to understand like what it is we do |
| 810s | all day we have to create something that |
| 813s | tricks you into believing that it's a |
| 814s | real character with a real personality |
| 816s | that has movement |
| 818s | and that lives and breathes in that |
| 820s | world and then if you make any new |
| 822s | animations for that character you you |
| 823s | stuff to make sure it has the same |
| 824s | personality and you know every single |
| 826s | person's gonna walk slightly differently |
| 828s | and move slightly differently and that's |
| 830s | the bit that that takes a little time is |
| 832s | like figuring out who that person is |
| 835s | what they move like and how do we make |
| 838s | that different from every other thing in |
| 839s | the game yeah I like to think that like |
| 841s | sometimes when there's bugs in warframe |
| 843s | which never happens and like a character |
| 845s | with like tipos oh yeah I think that |
| 847s | like right that's like the dead version |
| 849s | and the animators make it the live |
| 851s | version put the life into or it's not |
| 853s | tipos and static you're trying to say it |
| 856s | like a it's a it's a puppet yeah it's |
| 858s | just just like a puppet you're used to |
| 860s | in real life but it's in the computer |
| 862s | instead yeah yeah no it's great we you |
| 871s | know we we breathe life into the |
| 873s | characters you know I think the my |
| 875s | favorite moments are always when like |
| 877s | I'm talking correct directly with the |
| 879s | character artists it's like making this |
| 881s | thing and it's gone through like |
| 882s | someone's designed it and then someone's |
| 884s | made it and then we just get like oh |
| 886s | this is like a description of that |
| 888s | personality or what our idea for this is |
| 890s | and then we just first start doing the |
| 892s | animations and then the character ought |
| 893s | to see something like wow this looks so |
| 895s | cool it's moving wow you know that's |
| 898s | always a very nice moment mm-hmm it's |
| 901s | been fun it's a great team great I mean |
| 904s | like people here really care a lot and |
| 907s | it just mean except for Jeff you just |
| 913s | all right thanks other than the |
| 915s | wrenchers anyone else that you worked on |
| 916s | in Fortuna did the mocap for a lot of |
| 919s | the NPCs and the store vendors I guess |
| 923s | we called them but I did take her so |
| 925s | she's the one that I did the mocap and |
| 927s | yet yeah so I actually I want to see |
| 931s | that please look at me when it first |
| 936s | came up my very first reaction was |
| 938s | awesome there's gonna be a cool way I |
| 940s | want to see this character in the game |
| 941s | on the voice actor just oh kill is so |
| 944s | good yeah but you know the you know we |
| 946s | get to like step into people's shoes as |
| 949s | animators it but I think everyone |
| 950s | responded |
| 951s | so well because it's such a lovely |
| 952s | character which I mean that's mostly I |
| 955s | think of credit to the writing yeah I |
| 956s | think the writing was really good and |
| 957s | the voice acting and the mocap and |
| 960s | yourselves there it's just there to make |
| 962s | it yeah you guys put the you get the |
| 965s | story you see what he looks like and |
| 968s | then you have to make that work it's |
| 970s | actually I didn't I didn't even know for |
| 973s | sure what ticker was gonna look like you |
| 975s | just have that when I when I did them |
| 976s | all because it was yeah so we'll get the |
| 980s | rig and we'll just it will sometimes |
| 985s | we'll get like a like a white kind of |
| 986s | block out version where it's we get like |
| 988s | roughly but we might not get any |
| 990s | textures we might not get the final |
| 992s | thing and we have to just kind of use |
| 995s | our imagination I was with for two new |
| 998s | characters it might be like oh and |
| 999s | surprise they don't have a foot yeah |
| 1005s | we'll have someone like trying to be |
| 1007s | helpful me like I've put like these |
| 1009s | animations into this person it looks |
| 1011s | great and you look and it's like ah ha |
| 1012s | that's like a whole difference mmm Oh |
| 1015s | reduce we do without a leg yeah so other |
| 1021s | than NPCs and wrenchers there were other |
| 1032s | animations like children's art gun and |
| 1034s | wisp that was shown on deaf stream 123 |
| 1038s | Tim you made the comment about Steve's |
| 1041s | below the belts Steve made the comment I |
| 1043s | just noted that he said it yeah so did |
| 1046s | you do so I'd say that's a collaboration |
| 1050s | because Scott did the animation of the |
| 1052s | character catching the gun from the sky |
| 1055s | that's reused for all the different and |
| 1057s | we're not talking about also right right |
| 1059s | Scott Johnston and so he did that and |
| 1062s | then I did just the weapon itself he did |
| 1065s | the first arc wing guns that we already |
| 1067s | had yes but now as we add new ones the |
| 1070s | new guns need their own animation so |
| 1071s | really it was just I just made the |
| 1073s | barrel spin a little bit and like gets |
| 1075s | ready but the combination that you |
| 1076s | looked cool together do you seem to like |
| 1079s | it so |
| 1084s | well did you like use any existing |
| 1086s | inspiration for like the rotating or was |
| 1088s | it all man |
| 1089s | well it's not the design yes no it's |
| 1092s | probably design that they sew in when |
| 1095s | it's in firing mode when you're when |
| 1097s | you're shooting with it you have a sort |
| 1099s | of on unlocked on kind of free roaming |
| 1103s | shooting mode where it's kind of lazy |
| 1106s | and the spinning and the beam is kind of |
| 1108s | wide and spread all over the place |
| 1109s | random and then when it locks onto an |
| 1111s | enemy it tightens down into it into a |
| 1114s | tiny beam and it's like spins up faster |
| 1117s | and I think they described it as kind of |
| 1120s | like a ghostbusters beam yeah it was |
| 1122s | basically that it was just if it's |
| 1124s | always gonna be spinning when you're |
| 1125s | firing then I figured when you equip it |
| 1127s | it kind of prepares itself by winding up |
| 1129s | so it just winds up the opposite |
| 1131s | direction when you shoot it goes |
| 1133s | clockwise yeah so what all things I just |
| 1139s | look for whatever parts on the gun move |
| 1140s | and I move doesn't look like it's just |
| 1143s | instant other than hail Jeremy showed |
| 1147s | wisp and personally I'm obsessed with we |
| 1152s | barely shown anything up her but I'm |
| 1154s | obsessed so where did that come from at |
| 1155s | least I'm so lucky to begin to work on |
| 1158s | her because I really loved working on |
| 1162s | well I have worked on floating women in |
| 1164s | the past funnily enough you're rolling |
| 1167s | your eyes no one can see which is wrong |
| 1168s | it was great fun but like I didn't I was |
| 1171s | early in in the days and how good of a |
| 1173s | job I did but like I don't know I love |
| 1176s | working on like fluid movement that |
| 1178s | always fascinates me so I really want to |
| 1180s | do something very different with way |
| 1182s | sorry wanted her personality to be like |
| 1187s | so a lot of the war frames we have aa |
| 1189s | very like this is me I'm warframe I'm |
| 1192s | super cool about us and this is who I am |
| 1194s | and I kind of wanted was to be more like |
| 1197s | shy like not shy but like like cool I |
| 1202s | think of her like smoke yes so I you |
| 1205s | know like I said with the fire thing I |
| 1207s | was like I want her to feel like smoke |
| 1210s | which doesn't make any sense anyone else |
| 1212s | but me but you know I wanted it to feel |
| 1214s | like rolling smoke so |
| 1216s | she's supposed to be like lights and |
| 1217s | ethereal and I tried to do something |
| 1220s | different from the kind of breathing |
| 1222s | floating she's very first time what we |
| 1225s | can do with her because she is you know |
| 1227s | off the ground and we can kind of make |
| 1228s | it really different I'm super super |
| 1232s | lucky that I got her to work on because |
| 1234s | she's gonna be real cool so anyone would |
| 1237s | have done a great job because she's just |
| 1238s | such an awesome design but yeah I'm |
| 1241s | hoping that people dig this kind of |
| 1243s | different it is very different different |
| 1245s | run what with her so confident I don't |
| 1249s | want it to be too like sexy either she's |
| 1253s | got like this sort of thank you that's |
| 1257s | how I like she's got this little sine |
| 1260s | wave going through but her head is like |
| 1262s | yeah eating it like a snake like just |
| 1265s | waiting for her I just had to attack |
| 1267s | like elusive yeah like it's not like it |
| 1274s | was really interesting reading through |
| 1275s | what people's reactions wire on the like |
| 1277s | that I think frame Twitter thing went |
| 1280s | through and just had a look at the |
| 1281s | comments just to see if anyone there's |
| 1283s | like any parts that didn't strike cool |
| 1285s | everyone seemed very positive and also |
| 1287s | picked up a couple ideas from some |
| 1289s | people so we'll see yeah I hope people |
| 1292s | like it and fingers crossed to get time |
| 1294s | to do it my crunch time but we have no |
| 1297s | time there is no time Jeff said on the |
| 1300s | page she was gonna happen |
| 1301s | I forgot what he said would be unique |
| 1304s | was it dodges or definitely getting a |
| 1309s | custom spring I just you want to do a |
| 1312s | whole movement set I get suit yeah so |
| 1318s | the actual movement tree is massive so I |
| 1320s | have no idea if I live actually be able |
| 1321s | to do it cuz I'm pretty new here so you |
| 1324s | know I don't actually know I'm getting |
| 1325s | into but it would be really cool to do |
| 1327s | like at least a kind of walk walk run |
| 1332s | sprint |
| 1335s | I got some ideas we'll see how it goes |
| 1339s | but uh yeah that was like a two minutes |
| 1342s | before stream slack message I ping to |
| 1345s | Jeff like man shakes really stupid and |
| 1347s | her like deep |
| 1348s | things like she's like standing and she |
| 1350s | has no feet and she's running and my |
| 1352s | girl over the place and it doesn't look |
| 1354s | right and I was like oh very cool if I |
| 1356s | could get to do a movement set haha no |
| 1358s | time loll and then he was like well |
| 1359s | she's looking into it I am oh okay cool |
| 1363s | thanks Jeff write that down something to |
| 1366s | do but you know we've got a lot going on |
| 1368s | so no promises |
| 1369s | speaking of Jeff he's not here to defend |
| 1370s | himself how does the hydroid Prime and |
| 1373s | Zephyr prime trailer done okay yeah like |
| 1379s | the as far as I know the animation is |
| 1381s | done yeah but you're saying that any |
| 1383s | engineer needs ballast I'm still yeah |
| 1386s | I'm not entirely sure I probably can't |
| 1388s | answer the why it's not from what I |
| 1391s | understood it was something along the |
| 1392s | lines of because of lower story reasons |
| 1395s | ballast who traditionally narrated all |
| 1397s | of these would need to be either |
| 1399s | rewritten or changed to somebody else or |
| 1400s | what and so it's and then like you'd |
| 1404s | have to bring voice actors back in or |
| 1406s | whatever and I don't know if they just |
| 1407s | can't decide on what they want to do |
| 1409s | with it or if they've decided they're |
| 1410s | not going to do it or I don't know it's |
| 1412s | not our hands I don't think it was |
| 1418s | Zephyr prime the animations done but I |
| 1420s | don't think like effects or anything cuz |
| 1422s | it was already that finished animation |
| 1424s | right around the time when we were like |
| 1425s | oh I guess we're not sure what's |
| 1427s | happening with these so I think they |
| 1428s | kind of just stopped right after |
| 1430s | animation so it didn't get through to |
| 1432s | like lighting effects audio I had a |
| 1435s | friend of mine Gym Leader Jim Leedom who |
| 1438s | yeah Jim good Oh Jim he did a talk in |
| 1441s | Toronto a couple months back and he had |
| 1445s | this like quote he said and I just |
| 1446s | thought it was the best thing ever |
| 1447s | because I kept trying to explain to |
| 1448s | people like what it was like working in |
| 1450s | addition to extremes versus other game |
| 1452s | companies and I kept saying it's like |
| 1454s | it's like a big game jam like it's not |
| 1456s | like it's not like normal it's like this |
| 1458s | big |
| 1458s | everyone's like he was like he said at |
| 1462s | the talk he said like oh I kind of like |
| 1463s | sound people that working it that de is |
| 1466s | kind of like working in the Wild West |
| 1469s | mmm and I'm like that is so true you |
| 1471s | know like everything's changing all the |
| 1473s | time and it's also like you know |
| 1476s | everyone just wants to do what's best to |
| 1477s | the players but that that means that |
| 1478s | it's everything's kind of you got a you |
| 1481s | got to just kind of roll |
| 1482s | with going on at the minute but that's |
| 1484s | really cool because you know a lot of |
| 1485s | companies will have stuff set in stone |
| 1487s | for like the next four or five years and |
| 1489s | that is cool but then it means that you |
| 1491s | you can't kind of just fly in and be |
| 1493s | creative and suggest changes all the |
| 1495s | time that doesn't always happen because |
| 1497s | usually there's a very set you know step |
| 1500s | step process this you know load people |
| 1502s | have worked out but you know it's not |
| 1504s | like that here you know I you know I |
| 1505s | think I made a suggestion at one point |
| 1506s | like Oh wouldn't it be cool if we did |
| 1508s | this thing and two days later is in the |
| 1510s | game it's like that's that's craziness |
| 1512s | like no I can just be like I made this |
| 1514s | thing and it was like cool it's cool |
| 1516s | yeah it's in and it's like oh that's wow |
| 1519s | that's that's amazing that we get to |
| 1521s | work like that like this might blow up |
| 1527s | in our faces but we won't know and it's |
| 1532s | super fun because it's when you know |
| 1534s | that is kind of the core of what makes |
| 1535s | de unique is rebels the frequent ability |
| 1540s | to update like all the time yeah there's |
| 1542s | no outside publisher like we're |
| 1544s | self-publishing so that we have to kind |
| 1546s | of make our own decisions like no limit |
| 1549s | we're like if we can do it let's try it |
| 1551s | yeah I mean it's not it's not completely |
| 1556s | unstructured and completely just throw |
| 1558s | whatever yes Matt it's filtered through |
| 1561s | some very smart brains like Steve is |
| 1563s | open to any suggestion but it has to be |
| 1565s | a well-thought-out suggestion that you |
| 1567s | can back up with with like if it's just |
| 1569s | like what if he's like how much have you |
| 1571s | thought about this it's like okay think |
| 1572s | about it some more and then come back |
| 1573s | he's open to it but he doesn't want you |
| 1575s | just like spit ideas do what an animate |
| 1580s | kawaii well he did say good ideas I did |
| 1584s | say good I said well - 3 123 we also |
| 1595s | debut the guest city vacuum cleaner |
| 1598s | Roomba things and a lot of people want |
| 1600s | kabobs to be able to ride the little |
| 1603s | Roomba can we make that happen |
| 1606s | anything is possible from whether or not |
| 1608s | she just said no yeah |
| 1610s | but anything you do comes at the expense |
| 1612s | of doing something else so what are the |
| 1614s | priorities |
| 1615s | great community feedback happy players |
| 1618s | cat memes riding on rumors maybe he's |
| 1621s | speaking a cat I was the one that put |
| 1622s | the shiver animations into Venus |
| 1624s | you're welcome making a girl feel bad |
| 1626s | because that parents a shivering |
| 1631s | ultimate goal of an animators to make |
| 1633s | people feel I was writing that patch no |
| 1640s | no Mike how do I make this sound happy |
| 1641s | like your pets will now act really cold |
| 1646s | I don't know why is he bowing yeah so |
| 1652s | next we have to have like knit sweaters |
| 1654s | that you can put on them I mean that's |
| 1655s | why business little booties already |
| 1657s | makes stuffed animals you can make |
| 1659s | sweaters we're going down a great train |
| 1662s | speaking about the road companions |
| 1663s | though oh yeah we are doing a contest |
| 1665s | soon oh yeah yeah was your idea yeah see |
| 1668s | this is what I mean by the time I hit |
| 1670s | the x axis okay wouldn't it be cool if |
| 1672s | like the community could suggest an |
| 1675s | animation for us to do for the Mo's |
| 1677s | because yeah there was so much fun to |
| 1680s | work on because it's just so much |
| 1682s | personality in them so again to do a |
| 1685s | bunch of those things just really fun so |
| 1687s | that that contest should be just after |
| 1690s | this podcast goes lives so if you're |
| 1692s | interested stay tuned anything that we |
| 1695s | didn't touch on that you guys want to |
| 1696s | talk about stuff you have to work really |
| 1697s | hard to get to a point where you can't |
| 1700s | get paid to do this stuff because it |
| 1701s | takes a lot of skill but you know that |
| 1704s | doesn't mean anyone couldn't do it like |
| 1706s | if this is something that you |
| 1708s | desperately want to do if you're willing |
| 1710s | to put the hours in to get the skill for |
| 1713s | it cuz that's what we did you know we |
| 1714s | you know I'm just born and then you're |
| 1716s | an amazing animator like no way well I |
| 1723s | mean the way I started out was I was |
| 1725s | like 10 years old then I was on the |
| 1727s | playground pretending to be Ninja |
| 1728s | Turtles and Power Rangers and back then |
| 1731s | that was called being a loser but now |
| 1735s | I'm doing the exact same thing I get |
| 1738s | paid for I know it's like oh cool you |
| 1740s | make games were literally in PowerPoint |
| 1744s | yeah yeah it's it's cool |
| 1748s | but like anything you know you love to |
| 1750s | do anything you just you have to be |
| 1751s | willing to put there but a lot of hours |
| 1753s | in that you know if anyone you know was |
| 1757s | interested in any more anything there's |
| 1758s | there's a ton of free stuff online I |
| 1760s | have free tutorials you can just like |
| 1762s | Google 3d animation tutorials and |
| 1764s | there's a ton of free stuff from Gumroad |
| 1765s | YouTube videos I would recommend the |
| 1768s | anima state discord yeah there's a whole |
| 1770s | bunch of people in there you can ask |
| 1771s | direct questions to the animates was the |
| 1774s | next one I was gonna say it is smaller |
| 1776s | but it is also I think like a more like |
| 1778s | a little bit more of a focus group |
| 1780s | because the annum state group is huge |
| 1783s | Jonathan Cooper's new book just came out |
| 1785s | game annum |
| 1786s | he runs game Adam calm yeah and he's |
| 1789s | been posting amazing articles about game |
| 1792s | animation both from like the animation |
| 1793s | side and the gameplay like |
| 1796s | implementation side of things for years |
| 1797s | and I followed some of his tutorials to |
| 1800s | improve and so getting a whole book of |
| 1802s | that I think is totally worth it and |
| 1803s | then yeah and then if you wanted to |
| 1806s | spend some money but you didn't want to |
| 1808s | go to university there's a ton of great |
| 1809s | animation courses online now which one |
| 1811s | outside of the schools no I mean like |
| 1814s | Adams school yeah I am my anime |
| 1816s | animation mentor thank you odd those are |
| 1820s | probably the best ones more expensive |
| 1822s | than others so but they will give you a |
| 1824s | good grounding for animation but again |
| 1827s | even that is like just doing that as no |
| 1829s | guarantee you're actually gonna get |
| 1830s | anywhere it's a 100% about the work you |
| 1833s | you're gonna put it I would say that if |
| 1836s | you're on Twitter the animation |
| 1838s | community on Twitter friendly like you |
| 1840s | can you can directly ask like yeah |
| 1843s | senior that's legal level animators |
| 1846s | direct questions and they're happy to |
| 1848s | talk yeah directly asking if anyone |
| 1852s | wants to find you on Twitter and |
| 1853s | directly ask you anything about |
| 1854s | animation where can they find you |
| 1856s | yeah it's literally my name so it's at |
| 1859s | least going up so it's e ly s e-g ym er |
| 1865s | which I am equally creative and really |
| 1873s | good yeah I mean you guys could just |
| 1874s | leave I'll just keep talking about it |
| 1875s | like we could be here all day I think |
| 1880s | people yes doing the game because you |
| 1884s | make our jobs possible and we hope you |
| 1886s | will we like giving you guys something |
| 1889s | you know something enjoyable to come |
| 1892s | home to at the end of the day cuz cuz we |
| 1894s | know what really hard to try and give |
| 1897s | you guys something cool there's a whole |
| 1898s | Department of animators that you don't |
| 1900s | get to see because there's only like |
| 1902s | Jeff is kind of our representative on |
| 1904s | streams and I guess this is the first |
| 1906s | time I've been on podcast so not a lot |
| 1908s | of them want to talk like Elyse was |
| 1909s | saying with mocap I always animators are |
| 1911s | kind of shy they don't always want to be |
| 1913s | in front of camera these are all really |
| 1916s | really good animators like I you have a |
| 1917s | very very senior team I think I'm just |
| 1920s | gonna list them off Juke jae-sung Lee's |
| 1924s | Scott myself Tim Darryl Regina |
| 1928s | Ian and our tech animators that make |
| 1931s | everything possible Chris Eric and Jack |
| 1934s | yeah everything everybody does stellar |
| 1936s | work I don't get seen anywhere no they |
| 1942s | make us they make everything possible |
| 1943s | you yeah it's it's one of those like |
| 1947s | hidden things right there they're always |
| 1949s | really humble very quiet and that you |
| 1951s | know without them we we couldn't work so |
| 1954s | they they make everything great and |
| 1956s | great team good team go team yeah I |
| 1961s | remember there was like a point where |
| 1962s | I've been walking here and I kept |
| 1963s | getting on all the the animation the |
| 1965s | animals stuff I kept making them already |
| 1968s | cute I'm just gonna be known as the |
| 1970s | anime that only works on cute things |
| 1972s | like she can only do like cute adorable |
| 1974s | animations and I just wanted to feel |
| 1987s | feel Rhiannon everyone's like oh you you |
| 1991s | made me feel bad for my pet don't go and |
| 1993s | I'm like oh no but Jeff's cool you can |
| 1997s | ask him for whatever you want and he'll |
| 1999s | he'll work it in after seven comes |
| 2001s | around you get to work I drew primarily |
| 2004s | that's done there's nothing to work on |
| 2007s | animators I can show you later nobody |
| 2010s | else can see evidence roll everybody |
| 2012s | Hailee's when i watch the hydroid |
| 2014s | project I'll show it to you right after |
| 2015s | this yeah I can show you the balcony |
| 2019s | this effort one two so thank you to both |
| 2022s | Elise and Tim for chatting with me and |
| 2025s | get back to the hydro Prime trailer well |
| 2030s | thank you thank you again too timid |
| 2039s | Elise for being on the show and thank |
| 2041s | you for listening we'll see you next |
| 2043s | month for another episode of |
| 2044s | deconstructing |
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