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| 0s | hello there and welcome back to episode |
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| 2s | 4 of deconstructing this month we're |
| 5s | going to do something a little bit |
| 6s | different that we're actually doing a |
| 8s | part two of sound design and production |
| 9s | of warframe community manager Megan |
| 12s | Everett sits back down with audio |
| 13s | director George Spanos and seniors sound |
| 15s | designer Eric Preston to give you some |
| 17s | more behind-the-scenes intel as to how |
| 19s | the sounds of warframe are made grab a |
| 21s | hot cup of tea |
| 22s | or some lemonade and enjoy |
| 25s | [Music] |
| 41s | so George you've been here for 13 years |
| 43s | how has the sound design process changed |
| 46s | since you've started it's changed a lot |
| 48s | I mean you know the tools that we use to |
| 51s | put sounds in the game have changed so |
| 54s | you know plugins change all your |
| 56s | processing changes even a software we |
| 59s | use changes and the game engine that we |
| 61s | use has changed a lot you know I |
| 63s | remember when I first started here |
| 64s | weapons for example would just use three |
| 67s | sounds for each weapon and now it's |
| 70s | probably what there's three six nine |
| 74s | twenty ten or twelve sounds playing at |
| 78s | one time for each weapon type of thing |
| 80s | to give it different layers and and make |
| 82s | it feel more realistic and so there's |
| 84s | been a lot of improvements that way |
| 87s | music is another good example we should |
| 90s | just put loops of music in so a |
| 92s | two-minute piece of music we just get |
| 94s | put into the game and it would just loop |
| 96s | indefinitely and now we have a whole |
| 98s | dynamic system so that's gotten better |
| 100s | and there's tons of other stuff that's |
| 103s | just improved and we kind of we kind of |
| 105s | take pride in in trying to to to keep |
| 108s | the engine up to date and keep it fresh |
| 112s | and keep it with all the latest sort of |
| 114s | bells and whistles that that that we |
| 117s | hear about that other games are doing so |
| 118s | yeah there's been there's been a lot of |
| 120s | change that way yeah |
| 122s | just speaking about the bells and |
| 123s | whistles and the kind of the tech side |
| 125s | of it if there was no kind of boundaries |
| 127s | or restraints on any of that what is a |
| 130s | sound that you wish you could put into |
| 132s | warframe yeah I know it's a tough |
| 134s | question I mean I think I think for us |
| 136s | the biggest thing is always sort of |
| 138s | memory constraints and so we always want |
| 141s | to get the highest fidelity sounds into |
| 143s | the game and we're still not quite there |
| 146s | yet you know technology is still not at |
| 148s | the point where we can just put |
| 150s | uncompressed audio in the engine or play |
| 152s | as many sounds at a time as we want kind |
| 155s | of a thing so that's definitely |
| 156s | something that that we keep kind of |
| 158s | working towards and we keep we keep |
| 161s | trying to make better so but yeah I mean |
| 165s | I think we kind of we each put what we |
| 168s | want into the engine |
| 169s | the game you know like we're always |
| 171s | challenging ourselves every new warframe |
| 173s | every new weapon every new tileset |
| 175s | always try to put things into the game |
| 178s | that we haven't put in there before you |
| 181s | know always trying to push ourselves |
| 183s | like Eric was saying go into a pool and |
| 185s | recording stuff and we went to a sewage |
| 187s | treatment plant as well that when I |
| 189s | started to and so it's always that's the |
| 193s | thing for us is always like what can we |
| 194s | do that's different that we didn't do |
| 196s | last time and that makes me think of the |
| 198s | whole synth board stuff that you guys |
| 200s | have going on that blows my mind I don't |
| 202s | know what the heck is do it |
| 204s | yeah like the modular stuff to you was a |
| 206s | another great example a couple of years |
| 208s | ago one of the sound designers on the |
| 210s | team Karl said to us he's like hey have |
| 212s | you guys ever explored modular and we're |
| 214s | like wow yeah why do you if you can do |
| 217s | it all in the computer why do you need |
| 219s | hardware and then and then I think was I |
| 222s | know you were the first to buy we got |
| 225s | our order together yeah there first and |
| 229s | then and then it was just we became |
| 232s | addicted to it and it's like it's so |
| 234s | much fun and it's an expensive hobby but |
| 237s | man is it fun but for people who are |
| 240s | interested in sound is like it's the |
| 242s | Holy Grail it's it's so much fun it's |
| 245s | some such a combination of interesting |
| 247s | new unique tones but also just the |
| 250s | playfulness of it all just being able to |
| 252s | really enjoy making these weird sounds |
| 255s | and not thinking too much about it |
| 257s | because usually when you're using |
| 258s | software there's a tendency to sort of |
| 261s | like overthink what you're doing when |
| 263s | real when you were creating audio a lot |
| 265s | of the time you just want to harness a |
| 266s | feeling and if you're not thinking too |
| 269s | much about your input or what you're |
| 270s | doing you can kind of like get in touch |
| 273s | with your emotions a little bit better |
| 274s | now it sounds weird but modular really |
| 277s | lets you do that because it's just it's |
| 279s | all knobs you just turn yeah I think |
| 280s | that's what goes on mind the most is you |
| 282s | there's how many knobs and buttons on |
| 285s | that thing like yes and so much and it's |
| 287s | like the combinations are probably |
| 289s | infinite if you calculate it and that's |
| 291s | part of the fun is it's like you'll |
| 293s | never hear that exact same sound the |
| 295s | same way your prints are all yeah and |
| 298s | that's |
| 298s | that's such a beautiful thing about it |
| 300s | because you know |
| 300s | a world of people using loops for things |
| 302s | and using just pulling sound effects |
| 304s | from libraries it's so nice and |
| 306s | refreshing to be able to put your own |
| 308s | stamp on it and that's why we try to |
| 310s | record as much of our own stuff as |
| 312s | possible to put into the game and I |
| 314s | think that's why a lot of the stuff that |
| 316s | we do sounds unique you know because you |
| 319s | chances already won't hear it in another |
| 321s | game absolutely do you recall the first |
| 324s | sound that was from that synth board |
| 326s | that we used I do yeah yeah it would |
| 330s | have been the hunt how a boss fight Oh |
| 332s | would you sounds out to the Octavia |
| 334s | quest right yeah I used a lot of a lot |
| 337s | of those sounds in that in that boss |
| 339s | fight that's right yeah yeah and now |
| 342s | it's like yeah yeah cuz it's like you |
| 344s | can always find something new with it |
| 347s | which is super exciting that's the thing |
| 350s | you have to keep it interesting you have |
| 351s | to keep it exciting right like you can't |
| 353s | just do the same thing every day because |
| 356s | it's kind of boring you know to do that |
| 357s | warping is going in a weird direction so |
| 362s | we're gonna go to the saw seven route |
| 364s | and yeah so without trying to spoil |
| 371s | anything that's coming up as we all know |
| 373s | what's happening at work right |
| 375s | what realized sound elements are you |
| 377s | going to pull for the next potential |
| 379s | open world or rail jack everyone knows |
| 381s | rail Jack's coming so what kind of |
| 383s | sounds are you working on now yeah rail |
| 386s | jack actually it's gonna be a lot of |
| 390s | different combinations of sounds I don't |
| 392s | know we don't have anything immediately |
| 395s | planned to go record for it I'd like to |
| 398s | go out and record like like gears and |
| 401s | and mechanisms and that kind of thing |
| 403s | like find some old factory or something |
| 405s | I've been wanting to do that for a while |
| 407s | just to have a library of that kind of |
| 410s | stuff but what will a lot of times do is |
| 414s | will will go out and record you know an |
| 417s | opportunity to present itself like a few |
| 419s | years ago I recorded my snow blower cuz |
| 420s | I'm like oh the snow blower makes an |
| 422s | interesting sounds I should record it so |
| 423s | I have a library of lower sounds that |
| 425s | you never know you might use them for |
| 426s | something and I've probably use them in |
| 428s | weapons and that kind |
| 429s | thing so it's a lot of that too it's a |
| 432s | lot of like oh yeah remember that |
| 433s | session that we did yeah I wonder what |
| 435s | was in there if I could use something |
| 437s | from there and bring it into this world |
| 439s | but there probably will be a bunch of |
| 442s | recording sessions for Rail Jack just |
| 444s | haven't figured that out yet I think |
| 446s | well one of the one of the things that I |
| 449s | remember Jeff posted a couple maybe a |
| 452s | week or so ago he just grabbed some |
| 454s | clips with like little RC cars and then |
| 456s | he pitched them way down right and we |
| 459s | kind of went whoa this could be really |
| 461s | cool for rail Jack ships because we're |
| 463s | gonna have lots of enemy ships so we |
| 466s | might be doing a little RC session and |
| 468s | they have these microphones called |
| 471s | extended frequency microphones so they |
| 473s | go way above human hearing and what you |
| 476s | can do with those is when you record |
| 477s | with those you can pitch them down |
| 479s | several octaves and it exposes all of |
| 482s | this interesting sonic information that |
| 485s | you previously could not hear so when we |
| 489s | record with those microphones that |
| 490s | allows you to get some really unexpected |
| 492s | results so there might be a little bit |
| 494s | of RC car action yeah that is a really |
| 497s | cool thing you want to think about right |
| 499s | because right now in the room we're |
| 502s | sitting in there's probably a whole |
| 503s | bunch of sound above human hearing that |
| 505s | we just can't hear and it's like what is |
| 507s | what's in there and so it's a cool |
| 509s | technique to use to as a sound design |
| 511s | tool to see what you can capture |
| 514s | expensive or grand support our |
| 521s | microphone we should start a Kickstarter |
| 523s | maybe help the de sound team by an |
| 526s | extent he would bats here yeah come on |
| 533s | guys dog whistles you want to was like |
| 541s | the grandfather of that like I remember |
| 544s | listening to Star Wars early on and |
| 546s | analyzing some of the the sounds and I |
| 548s | was listening to some of the ship sounds |
| 550s | and when I actually just closed my eyes |
| 553s | and listened I was like that's a |
| 555s | motorcycle like a hundred percent all it |
| 557s | is is a recording of a motorcycle that's |
| 559s | made me maybe pitch down six semitones |
| 561s | or not |
| 562s | but when you put it up against the |
| 563s | visuals making the decision to make that |
| 566s | match that's where a lot of sound design |
| 568s | comes in because it's like oh when you |
| 570s | take it out of out of the context of the |
| 572s | real world and put it in the context of |
| 574s | that spaceship it works perfectly and |
| 575s | Ben Burtt was so good at that I think I |
| 578s | yeah I try to strive for that sometimes |
| 580s | so there again it's like so something |
| 582s | that is really high tech that's in a |
| 584s | future world you're like oh I must use |
| 587s | since I have to use modular I have to |
| 588s | use whatever no you don't and that proof |
| 592s | of that is that a lot of current day or |
| 595s | older type of sounds can work for the |
| 598s | future if you just kind of let your mind |
| 600s | go to that place you know so do you find |
| 604s | yourself doing that a lot where you |
| 605s | watch movies or shows and you just kind |
| 608s | of you hear as a sound designer you hear |
| 611s | what the sound actually is as you're |
| 612s | watching it is that happen a lot it's |
| 614s | funny like at one point for me it's all |
| 617s | I could do I couldn't enjoy the movie or |
| 619s | music or games for for what they were I |
| 622s | was always analyzing it but I've gotten |
| 624s | better at just being just trying to lose |
| 626s | myself in the wonderment of it and |
| 628s | there's something cool and interesting |
| 630s | happens then I'll kind of like go back |
| 632s | and try to listen to it again but I try |
| 634s | to kind of let myself go in that moment |
| 636s | but it's hard to do though it is sound |
| 639s | plays such as supporting it's so |
| 641s | important to support the visuals with |
| 643s | sound like as a sound designer I think |
| 645s | that's the number one goal |
| 647s | I'm never like oh I want to draw |
| 649s | people's attention to this sound it's |
| 650s | always know I want me I want to make |
| 652s | people believe what they're experiencing |
| 655s | and I feel like I don't necessarily pick |
| 658s | out cool sounds anymore in movies it's |
| 660s | more the opposite when a sound doesn't |
| 662s | work or when it pulls me out of what I'm |
| 666s | enjoying that's when I'll notice the |
| 668s | sounds now more so than the other way |
| 670s | around |
| 670s | it's a good way of thinking of it |
| 671s | actually if you're noticing a sound it's |
| 674s | probably not the right thing yeah you |
| 675s | know and it's like you can you can |
| 677s | notice the sound to be like oh that |
| 678s | sounded cool but if it takes you out of |
| 680s | the moment it's like the boom mic in the |
| 682s | shot in the movie oh this is a movie oh |
| 685s | yeah just breaks that dimension totally |
| 687s | breaks that wall and that's and I think |
| 690s | that's the mark of great sound design is |
| 692s | just when you don't notice it then |
| 695s | then it's doing what it should be doing |
| 697s | which is ironic but that is that is |
| 700s | that's kind of the mark of great audio I |
| 703s | think so outside of music and sound |
| 706s | creation what other passions or |
| 708s | interests do you guys have I yeah I |
| 712s | don't feel free to plug away here well |
| 717s | as some of you know like sound is a big |
| 721s | part of what I do and so I make |
| 724s | experimental music as threat machine I'm |
| 727s | on all of the streaming services or go |
| 730s | to start machine comm check it out it's |
| 732s | it's some pretty weird stuff that will |
| 734s | never make it into warframe because it's |
| 735s | too weird I think and then outside of |
| 741s | that I don't it's funny like I yeah I |
| 745s | mean I just I enjoy playing games |
| 748s | watching movies listening to music you |
| 750s | know a bit of reading long walks on the |
| 752s | beach you know campfires at night yeah |
| 755s | it's funny because it's like I don't |
| 758s | know like the time is so short that it's |
| 760s | like it's hard to have anything anything |
| 762s | else that you really you really do but |
| 764s | you know um yeah it's it's mainly sound |
| 768s | or music related for me I'm a father |
| 773s | have a daughter who's turning for |
| 775s | tomorrow happy birthday yeah |
| 777s | so I I spend a lot of time with her |
| 779s | these days but after she goes to bed and |
| 784s | yeah after she goes to bed I make I make |
| 787s | video games and I know it's so weird I |
| 789s | get here cool yeah I go home when I make |
| 792s | more video games yeah yeah I just work |
| 794s | on little solo independent projects such |
| 797s | as vault tomb of the king is what I'm |
| 800s | working on right now so yeah I just |
| 802s | enjoy I just really enjoy all aspects of |
| 806s | game creation so that's sort of the time |
| 808s | that I get to do programming and do art |
| 810s | and do game design and oddly enough I |
| 813s | always leave audio to last |
| 817s | but I'm carving my own game |
| 821s | yeah sound various that's actually |
| 825s | hilarious |
| 826s | I wish you hadn't told me that no reason |
| 829s | why is it just you're so engrossed in |
| 831s | like everything the other aspects of the |
| 833s | game that's exactly it yeah I I just I'm |
| 836s | just so fascinated with all of the other |
| 838s | disciplines that go into into game |
| 840s | making you know what as well as sound |
| 843s | and just like do the same thing you do |
| 845s | something different I do put a lot of |
| 847s | love into the sound eventually so if |
| 854s | anyone wants to find you guys on so |
| 857s | shows listened to you know your album |
| 859s | see things of your game where can they |
| 862s | find you so on Twitter I'm at game sound |
| 865s | design and on Instagram I'm at threat |
| 867s | machine don't ask why but they're just |
| 871s | they're both different because let's |
| 872s | keep it interesting my personal Twitter |
| 875s | is at what now Eric and the Twitter for |
| 879s | my game is at brave the vault anything |
| 883s | we didn't cover that you guys want to |
| 885s | talk about expand on no I mean I think |
| 889s | you know like I think for us you know |
| 890s | we're you know whenever people give us |
| 893s | feedback especially on Twitter a lot of |
| 895s | feedback on Twitter I you know we read |
| 899s | all of it and and I actually I love it |
| 902s | when when when players interact with us |
| 905s | and tell us if it's something they don't |
| 907s | like or it's something they like and |
| 908s | it's like it's great to know that you're |
| 910s | out there and you're playing the game |
| 910s | and and it's great to hear your feedback |
| 913s | on things so yeah let's just keep that |
| 916s | up and and you know I think that's one |
| 919s | of the unique things for me you know I |
| 921s | worked on a bunch of games of for |
| 922s | warframe and I never had that experience |
| 924s | you know cuz we release games and we |
| 926s | never really had contact with the people |
| 928s | who are playing them and so it's it's so |
| 930s | great to have that I know it sounds a |
| 932s | bit ok whatever |
| 934s | cliche but it's so true and it's like it |
| 937s | just you know you read something on |
| 938s | Twitter and you're like cool man like it |
| 940s | gives you the strength to keep going and |
| 942s | it's like or someone appreciates |
| 944s | something and says something nice about |
| 946s | what we've done and |
| 947s | and letting the team know about that |
| 949s | it's it's really great to hear that it's |
| 952s | really great to have that feedback so |
| 954s | yeah keep that up yeah we listen and |
| 957s | read them as much as we can |
| 959s | yeah and that's the thing too like even |
| 960s | if you think we're not reading something |
| 961s | chances are we have everything on the |
| 963s | forums we read it's actually I what the |
| 966s | first thing I do in the mornings when I |
| 967s | walk in as i refresh the forum's and I |
| 970s | look at all the sound forums and I and I |
| 972s | read it all |
| 973s | so all those comments out there I know |
| 975s | I've probably read it yeah I think I'm |
| 982s | good yeah I think it was one question |
| 984s | about favorite sounds did we did we do |
| 987s | that or like our most yeah family our |
| 994s | favorite designer have worked on |
| 995s | possibly mister there's a lot here I |
| 998s | could say it yeah in warframe we presume |
| 1001s | you talk about any favorite sounds that |
| 1005s | you've created in warframe George you |
| 1008s | got any favorites so now you have to |
| 1011s | leave that whole preamble actually do |
| 1018s | actually the cuz I have to think about |
| 1021s | this so I still don't I still don't |
| 1025s | think I've made the perfect sound and I |
| 1027s | still don't think I've I've I've |
| 1029s | attained a sound that I can look back on |
| 1033s | and be like yep that's it that's that's |
| 1035s | the pinnacle of my career that's that |
| 1037s | was the height of it and now I can't do |
| 1039s | anything better than that |
| 1040s | it's obviously back here but go yeah |
| 1042s | back here yes it was great |
| 1045s | Valkyr was great I have to say I'm |
| 1048s | really proud of Octavia cuz we put a lot |
| 1050s | of work into her and it was something |
| 1052s | new for me |
| 1053s | you know programming sounds into a |
| 1055s | warframe and we basically made a |
| 1057s | software synthesizer which is pretty |
| 1060s | cool but I think for me it's like I'm |
| 1063s | still looking for that perfect sound I'm |
| 1065s | still looking to what's the next thing |
| 1067s | that I can work on that I can be proud |
| 1068s | of because as soon as you finish |
| 1070s | something it's kind of like okay what |
| 1073s | what's next then you want to keep rising |
| 1075s | and keep going and keep going from there |
| 1077s | so yeah that's |
| 1080s | that's my comments on it awesome now you |
| 1082s | can't say you have a favorite song I |
| 1091s | think like one of them like one of the |
| 1093s | more enjoyable experiences I had doing |
| 1095s | sound was working on the ambience for |
| 1100s | Cetus and the plains and also working on |
| 1104s | the sound for the terror list that was |
| 1106s | just a really terrible cool place to be |
| 1110s | mentally because I got to kind of like |
| 1112s | live in that environment for a very long |
| 1115s | time and fight the terror list every day |
| 1117s | yeah when I came to work so that was |
| 1119s | that was a really fun sound design |
| 1122s | experience for me the terror list ended |
| 1123s | up really cool as well and I'm not crazy |
| 1126s | oh yeah okay I don't know well I |
| 1129s | remember talking to people about it and |
| 1134s | trying to figure out what a good |
| 1135s | creature was that would resonate because |
| 1138s | I wanted something big but something |
| 1140s | gentle at the same time that you would |
| 1141s | feel bad hurting saying that D right |
| 1150s | actually that is cool I tried an |
| 1151s | elephant but elephants can sound pretty |
| 1153s | mean yeah but whales was just you know |
| 1155s | it's that that salt that like really |
| 1157s | somber yeah that's interesting that is a |
| 1169s | commentary on like how sound can make |
| 1171s | you feel right it's like so just that |
| 1174s | thought process behind it it's like we |
| 1176s | want to make you feel kind of a little |
| 1178s | bad for hurting it because it's it's |
| 1179s | kind of like maybe you shouldn't be |
| 1181s | doing this and so it's toying with your |
| 1183s | emotions in that way which is really |
| 1185s | interesting and cool I think yeah I |
| 1187s | remember getting that an early meeting |
| 1189s | with Steve and who loves one of his |
| 1190s | directions was we want to feel bad for |
| 1193s | for hurting this thing it was just a |
| 1195s | unique a unique spin on a boss fight his |
| 1198s | usually bosses are imposing and |
| 1200s | thereafter forgot to get you they want |
| 1202s | to hurt you but this was like he just |
| 1204s | wanted you to go away so he can kind of |
| 1206s | walk is there anything else in the game |
| 1213s | that's like don't hurt it kind of vibe |
| 1215s | they can think of I can't but maybe not |
| 1219s | off the top of my head don't hurt it I |
| 1222s | mean don't hurt the animal is he trying |
| 1223s | to conserve them we had a hard time |
| 1230s | actually with the feral the feral cats I |
| 1232s | think |
| 1234s | Jeff one of the somme designers on the |
| 1236s | team did the pets and made them sound |
| 1238s | really you know cute and lovable and I |
| 1241s | was like okay now we have to make like |
| 1243s | the wild ones I kind of like attack you |
| 1244s | like and it was hard to kind of have |
| 1246s | that okay how do we make it sound like |
| 1248s | it's the same kind of animal but a rabid |
| 1250s | version of it or whatever so that was |
| 1253s | that was interesting a side note from |
| 1255s | that jeff has a little video I think he |
| 1257s | used his dog he's like a little |
| 1258s | chihuahua and when it's awawa sleeps it |
| 1262s | does this cute little purring sound and |
| 1265s | I remember he recorded that for it and |
| 1266s | so that was pretty cool so he's Jeff's |
| 1269s | pet Chihuahuas in the game he's got a |
| 1271s | lot of animals in the game he has he did |
| 1276s | the cool okay that's healthy |
| 1278s | conservation stuff all the conservation |
| 1280s | stuff yeah yeah Jeff's the animal man |
| 1285s | [Laughter] |
| 1292s | the g-man what was that even for oh that |
| 1303s | was a sacrifice the video that I made |
| 1305s | the yeah sacrifice for the the the |
| 1309s | patient in the bed and it was like how |
| 1312s | do we what's the sound of someone trying |
| 1315s | like choking and suffocating struggling |
| 1318s | to breathe well the best way to do it is |
| 1319s | to kind of do that's here so that makes |
| 1321s | me so uneasy that sound and I I |
| 1323s | literally was Oh God and so I went into |
| 1326s | Travis one of our other sound designers |
| 1328s | I went into his office and and I'm like |
| 1330s | okay look because he tried a bunch of |
| 1331s | different things and that's the other |
| 1333s | thing too sometimes you can try a whole |
| 1335s | bunch of different things that that to |
| 1337s | build a sound from but sometimes it's |
| 1339s | better just to record the real thing |
| 1341s | yeah |
| 1341s | and so let's start from |
| 1342s | let's do it and I sacrificed myself I |
| 1345s | literally you are the sacrifice joy and |
| 1347s | the sacrifice I literally I literally |
| 1349s | almost passed them like seriously like |
| 1351s | after after we did I was like okay I got |
| 1354s | it like take a break here cuz I'm |
| 1355s | hyperventilating record that quick I |
| 1358s | suffer from my art I believe from my art |
| 1362s | but yeah that was it's fun it makes it |
| 1366s | exciting right before we end the podcast |
| 1375s | any advice out there for anyone that |
| 1377s | wants to start the in the audio industry |
| 1380s | yeah I think just like we said you know |
| 1383s | it's like just keep doing it and look |
| 1385s | for opportunities wherever and don't |
| 1386s | feel like you know if you don't have the |
| 1389s | latest equipment or you don't have this |
| 1390s | piece of gear or that piece of gear you |
| 1392s | know like the equipment isn't what makes |
| 1395s | you have talent the equipment helps you |
| 1397s | realize the end goal but there there's |
| 1400s | so many people that makes cool stuff |
| 1402s | with with the least amount of equipment |
| 1404s | don't let that hold you back you know |
| 1406s | air jordans didn't make Michael Jordan |
| 1408s | the amazing basketball player that he is |
| 1411s | right like you know it looks stylish |
| 1412s | yeah and made him a lot of money |
| 1414s | probably but but like just remember that |
| 1417s | that it's not it's not it's not about |
| 1420s | the tools you have it's it's it's about |
| 1422s | like your creativity and work on that as |
| 1425s | much as you can and if you a lot of |
| 1427s | people ask me too it's like you know how |
| 1429s | do I get into the game studio you know |
| 1431s | like start off small you know find some |
| 1434s | independent mobile game companies that |
| 1437s | are looking for someone to do sound and |
| 1439s | just say hey I'll work on your game and |
| 1441s | just try to build your credit list from |
| 1443s | that and and never say no and always say |
| 1445s | yes and and and always try to try to |
| 1449s | make something unique and something that |
| 1451s | you're happy with I think and then |
| 1454s | that's that's that's what shows so a big |
| 1457s | thank you to George and Eric for being |
| 1458s | on the show this month and to you for |
| 1460s | listening tune in next month for another |
| 1463s | episode of deconstructing |
| 1466s | you |