I'm an adc player and I would really like to play varus and vayne along with guinsoo's rageblade and lethal tempo rune. Especially varus is not really a threat when I build attack speed without guinsoo. So, do you guys know if there are any items, runes coming in the next patches? Good luck
External link →Dont bother considering the devs said multiple times that adding new runes and items are not their priority at the moment. Have fun with the new skins tho.
Ya this isn't true at all. We have new items coming in 3.1, and we added new items in patch 2.6, patch 2.4, and runes in patch 2.3. Runes are a larger topic that I feel like Endstep covered at length on his stream -- something I didn't even know was that runes contribute less to the overall power budget of an individual game (vs something like items and champ levels)! But the team has def been talking about the overall rune set and whether it's hitting the right gaps in gameplay overall. /u/r0guefool and /u/endstep probably have much smarter thoughts than me here.
When is patch 3.1?
Currently slated for March 23/24.
Ya this isn't true at all. We have new items coming in 3.1, and we added new items in patch 2.6, patch 2.4, and runes in patch 2.3. Runes are a larger topic that I feel like Endstep covered at length on his stream -- something I didn't even know was that runes contribute less to the overall power budget of an individual game (vs something like items and champ levels)! But the team has def been talking about the overall rune set and whether it's hitting the right gaps in gameplay overall. /u/r0guefool and /u/endstep probably have much smarter thoughts than me here.
Yep yep yep, we haven't said that new items are not coming and not being worked on. Items are something the team always very excited about. If you read my last item blog post, about patch 2.6, you might even be able to peer through the veil and take a guess.
To Draggles' point we would like to add more Keystones but like it has been said before it takes a bit of extra work, this doesn't mean we won't/couldn't do it, just that it'll take a bit longer than we would like.
We also have a major bug fix coming for Megadrive in 3.1. Basically late into it's development (like after it was announced late) a bug popped up that made it so if you CC multiple people you would only get one instance of the CC. This has been fixed and now CCing multiple people will grant multiple instances of the refund.
What about on gaining vp points in ranked game? I think its not normal to gain 10 pts per win and lose 15 pts when losing on a 57% winrate
Sorry I'm not familiar enough with those systems. I'm on the in-game team, basically stuff that happens once you load into the Rift. So I don't know what is being worked on or what challenges those teams are tackling.
Wait so... Hextech megadrive cc cdr is intended to work multiple in one??? I thought that the bug was something normal?
A bug it be, a fix you'll soon see.
Now this will be Rakan's core item. And by the looks of it it might make aurelion sol viable.
Ya let's all feel pity for the designer who will need to balance this on ARAM.
Asol has been viable, even strong, for a while. The problem is that none enjoys the playstyle and his power is hard to appreciate.
Anyway time to go see how ARAM is doing.
Any possible chance of getting a PC like rune system?
What is it you feel is missing with the current system? A change is always a possibility, but is unlikely, especially in the short term, the UI alone would require much more work, and if that is already slowing things down you can already imagine what a larger scale change would be like.
I think the main issue is low variety. Seems to be more of a thing for ADC/Bruisers since conq is the only thing worth running.
So that sounds more like an issue with the options rather than an issue with the rune system itself. We do agree that we want to include some more options here, the issue being the UI problem we have talked about.
I'll quickly add that while there is a lot of perception around Conq being the only viable option. Grasp, and Fleet Footwork look to be performing as well as Conq for Baron lane Bruisers. On several such as, Baron lane Wuknog, Irelia, Gragas, and Garen Grasp is their strongest Keystone.
Marksmen tend to do fine with Fleet Footwork, but we agree it isn't an ideal situation for many of them. And we would like to give some options they are happy with.
I was thinking if the UI doesnt support more runes couldn't you guys change the runes each season? Like rotate them sort of like how there are free champs to play.
That is an interesting thought. How would you feel if your favorite one rotated out, knowing that it could come back at some point?
What about the risk of a champion/small group of champions feeling like they don't have a good keystone during a period of time?
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That thing is massively strong on control enchanters in ARAM, especially combined with Locket. Denies so much of enemy all-in damage and back to back fights.
In general I think some sort of anti-shielding mechanisms need to be introduced, but in ARAM it is a particular case where the synergy is overtuned, since it’s so much easier to proc CCs in constant team fights.
It is a concern for sure, but Locket already has something built in to reduce repeated uses. We can tune the item in ARAM if it becomes dominant.
Asol does well because people don’t understand him since it’s rare. I’ve seen him probably 5 times in the past 100 games I played, especially in Diamond elo rank.
Sort of, We've talked about this a few times in other places, so I wont go too much into it here, but Asol is a popular champion for players to try out, but none really sticks with him. His winrate isn't being boosted by Asol one tricks, its still high even with those new Asol players.
This means that a lot of players want to like him, and like his theme, but that his gameplay turns them away. But even in these games you are still more likely to win with Asol. Players just don't stick with the champion. It isn't a power thing, so much as it is a perceived power/satisfaction thing. We still see powerful champions with low playrate, or weak or 50% champions that players love to play.
If the rune system was changed (which I think is fine) it could provide more options
That's possible for sure, but it could also be changed and give fewer options. It sounds like the issue is a feeling of a lack of options, and that can be handled with the current system, just with more options added.
I'm not trying to sound like I am splitting hairs here, I just want to make sure I understand you. The problem statement isn't that you dislike the system, it's that you feel like you don't have enough options. Still useful feedback for us for sure.
Hi thanks for everything y’all do. I’m a PC lol player and I want to love this game, but it’s extremely difficult due to a few reasons:
- Slow Champion Release
I know that likely half the player base has not played PC lol, but the issue is that with slower champion releases it makes the game not as fun, choices feel limited, and repetitive. Especially for PC lol players. I also have fewer lane counter picks for certain champs I play against which makes it tiresome. With a champ release per month, it would take 3+ years to catch up to PC lol.
- Poor MMR matchmaking in normals (and ranked somewhat)
I know playing in normals should be a lighter and less serious game mode. However, there is nothing fun about stomping 5 unranked players. I know sometimes they balance it by giving the other team a Diamond player to match a Diamond player, but then it becomes a contest of which team feeds the Diamond more. It’s not fun, doesn’t allow me to improve on a champ with someone who is on the same skill level. It almost feels like I’m facing people worse than AI, because they are so new.
Please for emerald/Diamond and up, put them in a separate category. It really takes the fun out of this mode because of the mmr. I would rather wait 5 mins and get a quality match, then be stuck with new players. Keep in mind, it’s probably ruining the experience for them too.
For ranked, Every time we got a “player usually plays better than their rank”. They ended up feeding 80% of the time and not doing the objective.
3. Lack of build paths
I know adding too many items and runes at the same time can cause issues of extreme imbalance. However, the builds for each champion feel extremely limited, and more specifically dull. Alongside with champion release dates slowing, the game doesn’t feel unique and very monotonous.
4. Lack of options to spend blue essence
This one speaks for itself, I bought wild pass every season, but I don’t think I will continue now. Blue essence is worthless once you own every champ. The random skin chests (and poro skin chests) keep giving me skins to champions I already have a skin for (3 garens, 2 TF, 2 lux, etc…). Give us an option to buy poro chest at least please with our blue essence.
So to be clear we never said that we were only releasing once champion per month, just that we were slowing down. That is how things have ended up so far this year, but I have been told that I can say we have more than 12 champions planned this year.
I'm not going to get into match making here, it isn't the area I work on. But we do hear you and the people working on this are aware of the pain points/feedback. I just don't know enough about the details to speak on it.
We feel you on this, and it is something we want to improve. You've seen us adding items, and like we said above we have plans for more. It is fun for the team, and good for the game.
Sorry this is also not my area either, so I can't speak to much here. I suspect this is a problem for hard core players and the generous amount of blue motes that are given out. But its tricky to give enough for casual players and also cover hard core players. Though again this isn't something I know much about, I'm just commenting on the tricky situation for sure.
I think this would mean every single champion could play 2 or even 3 different keystones, which really isn't the case sadly... I don't know what the numbers say about this, but from what I've gathered and seen so far, font of life is considered suboptimal by a lot of people on most supports, especially enchanter supports who now basically only play Aery. Remove aery for a patch, and you will need to buff font of life back to what it was (I guess it was nerfed for a reason? :P) or add another rune that could replace Aery... But in that case, what would lethality varus or top j4 play? For Varus, I don't think conqueror or fleet footwork are great ideas, nor is electrocute by the way (as a Varus main with over 540 games :D)
This also could be problematic for the competitive scene. If I understand your point correctly, building a brand new UI would be a pain and take too much time. But if such a system is developped into the game, the competitive scene will have to either play with the rotation which couldn't necessarily represent the "real" level of plays, or you and your team would have to create a new UI to include every runes for the competitive plays, thus completely defeating the point of making it for competitive players. ^
So personally I don't think having cycling runes to be a good idea. In fact, I don't even think it's a good idea to include runes that aren't keystones into the game as they would have lesser impact. I however think the current runes, which all have interesting concepts, should all be viable. Currently, I don't think Phase Rush is any good, for example. There are maybe one or two runes per rune classes which could see a buff (imo) so they all could be at the same level approximately (except the green runes).
Competitive would be a concern for sure.
Though I do want to push back on the point about champions not having 2-3 keystone options. The issue here is an issue of it FEELING like champions don't have multiple viable options. When looking at our data the vast majority of champions have 2 keystones that each preform relatively equally. The issue here is one of feeling/perception not actual power.
That isn't to say that this means it's fine as is, how something feels of equally, really more, important here. And we would like to get to a place where each champion feels like they have at least 2 options. Some examples here is that for enchanters FoL is as good as Aery, but it isn't as feel able/noticable. And for bruisers Grasp is in a similar situation. Part of this is that conqueror is just generically good. (who doesn't like damage?) So when you see so many players taking the Keystone, you assume you should too. The reddit echo chamber doesn't help here either. We agree it isn't ideal, and is something we want to fix.
Also we agree that Phase Rushes user base is a bit to narrow.
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