[2021] New mm system.

Emerald players playing Grandmasters will get more Ranked Fortitude than those playing Golds, and move up faster. In addition, Emerald players who promote into Diamond will have LP gains that reflect their MMR. If they are Grandmaster level, they'll get extra LP. If they are Gold, they will get less LP and not climb much into Diamond.

Part of this change is because we intentionally make it possible to keep climbing even if your MMR is low for your Rank. You'll climb more slowly, but we wanted it to be possible. Once you hit Diamond the system becomes fully skill based similar to LoL PC and only the best players are able to keep climbing.

But because things are looser below Diamond, matching on Rank isn't as meaningful and often just results in slower search times without actually better matches.

We watch all of these systems very closely and will be tuning all of this constantly to get wait times down and quality up, while keeping the top Ranks as competitive as we can.

The system handles that so you won't slow more than is appropriate : https://www.reddit.com/r/wildrift/comments/q5x6vn/new_mm_system/hg8yh49?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Yes, we are definitely monitoring this situation basically daily. We also have large improvements to MMR system accuracy coming to ranked in a later patch that will make it much less likely to overestimate player skills. That system is already running in Normals if you want to see how it feels.

But, yes, we are aware of situations where a player's performance doesn't always match MMR expectation. Though this happens just as much with high-Rank players as it does with low-Rank ones, when they have the same backend MMR.

Overall, MMR is consistently a better measure than Rank at how well players will play, in our data. It's just that at the end of a match, it's a lot easier to blame Rank since it's more in your face.

I can 100% empathize with your thoughts here. We made the decision to have Diamond and up follow what you are calling your ideal --- only top players can climb into and beyond Diamond.

Meanwhile, for Emerald and below, good players generally climb faster, but it is somewhat possible for players to trade off dedication for ability to an extent. It peters out quite a bit once players get into Plat and Emerald, but yes, any system that has players start at the bottom and move up with have the artifacts you have mentioned.

It's something we are actually very aware of and have improvements in the pipeline to address, though we're not looking at a major overhaul in the near future.

So for now, to compare players Emerald and down accurately, it's good to know how many games it took them to get to Emerald.

To compare players Diamond and up, you can just go by their actual LP and it's generally accurate (and will get more accurate as we improve stuff).

So currently in ranked a solo player will never play against a group unless they have a same-size group on their team, if that's what you mean.

We definitely zoom in on the solo player vs. group experiences to make sure they have equally fair experiences in Ranked.

Are you asking why Ranked Fortitude isn't visible? I believe it is? I'm not sure how it's a gacha mechanic. There's nothing random in how your Ranked Fortitude increases are calculated. It's based on merit.

Or are you asking why MMR isn't visible? I could foresee it being visible at some point --- it's commonly visible in some form in other games. The new icon we are adding is an indirect way of showing MMR (if you see the icon, you know that players' MMR is closer to the rest of the players than their rank would indicate).

When you are getting about the same LP for a win as a loss, that's also a signal that your LP = your MMR, if that's helpful. It's not hidden for any nefarious reasons, but I think more because historically it's tricky to represent in a way that isn't confusing. MMR can move a ton more or a lot less than you might expect because of the math involved.

MMR's goal is different than Rank. MMR is meant to precisely predict the outcome of a match and be the best guess of how you will play in the future. To that end it should be free to bounce around as much as necessary to be accurate. Rank, on the other hand, is to show what you have actually proven and earned. It's more about your past than your predicted future.

I've worked with skill systems that can predict a player will be a Challenger after only 1 match in many cases. But it wouldn't be fair to just give that player Challenger without them proving we were right (or not if we were wrong).

On the topic of matchmaking teammates vs. grouping teammates, that's definitely something we can revisit as we roll the changes out. I'm not opposed to reconsidering it upon observing the data.

Ah, but the point of knowing your skill is to put you into matches where we DON'T know who is going to win or lose. So no one is supposed to win or lose or play well or bad. If we put the same amount of skill on both teams, both sides can prove to us their merit.

As long as the MMRs are right, the high Emerald should hang just fine w/ GMs (50/50, reasonable KDA, etc) and the low Emerald should be Golding like Golds (also 50/50,and normal KDA).

MMR should be a good indicator for both ability to win and ability to play reasonably well with those of the same MMR. It's definitely not perfect, and we have improvements to it coming, but it does appear to be more accurate than Rank.

Emeralds with GM-level MMRs definitely destroy Diamonds with Gold-level MMRs.

Yeah, that's what the new rank icon will try and alleviate. "An Emerald? Oh, but it says Riot thinks their MMR is as high as ours OK"

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