[2022] Developer Stream 7.22.22 | Last Epoch | Last Epoch Dev Tracker

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4s	good afternoon everybody welcome back to
6s	another last epoch devstream as always
10s	i'm your host mike hello
12s	and a quick uh pre-stream thank you to
15s	lone star mclaughlin for the waiting
16s	party and the resub 15 months in a row
18s	going strong glad to have you with us
22s	and i quiet
24s	oh i was going i was going pretty well
26s	with me yeah we had a very busy week
28s	and uh i i start off with an apology
32s	i did not prepare a build for this week
33s	properly so we're going back two weeks
35s	and we're gonna do our uh shadow strike
37s	surge build again which i had a ton of
39s	fun with
41s	and uh yeah we're just gonna do this
42s	again and i i promise let my bow meals
44s	back together or i'll get my button gear
46s	for bowmage
48s	next week
49s	that will happen
52s	i promise
57s	mcfluffin yeah so i came to a [ __ ]
59s	stream like uh
62s	10 minutes ago maybe to be like
64s	hey i forgot my build this week you
66s	gotta save i can borrow um
69s	to
70s	show on stream
73s	um it was a long shot it was worth a
75s	shot i think
81s	it's oh totally okay
82s	i uh
84s	i think you should try it after i try it
85s	or with me
90s	and oh you so if this is your first time
92s	here anybody um if you have a questions
94s	for me please put an at last epoch game
96s	in the question like other people have
98s	been doing so far um
100s	and i'll be happy to answer it any
102s	questions about the game
103s	other stuff too i prefer questions about
105s	the game for the most part um
107s	and all of the
109s	money however comes in through the
110s	stream subs donations uh
113s	bits cheers
115s	uh
116s	audio playing things that are funny that
118s	make me laugh cause i always forget
119s	about them they all go to our charity
121s	and our charity is a monthly rotating
122s	charity in this month
124s	we're sticking with oceans
126s	we're sticking with
127s	oceans um
129s	it's a sleepy one what does it say if
131s	you're inside company toilets can people
134s	aim are they bad aimers we need to know
137s	well
138s	as a very special company everyone has
141s	their own toilet
144s	oh
144s	[Music]
145s	everyone works from home so everyone
146s	just uses their own boats at home
149s	so i do not know the state of everyone's
153s	toilet aiming capabilities
157s	but i will say that is a unique question
158s	we don't get very often uh like first
160s	time questions
162s	uh and and that is the first time i've
164s	had a question like that so love it
170s	all right quiet my first question how is
173s	your pepper garden
175s	oh and hot sauce is going
178s	i regret to inform you
180s	that something happened with the weather
182s	this year
184s	and our garden has our peppers are sorry
187s	peppers our tomatoes are doing great
189s	huge tomato plants pepper plants are
191s	just they're just runty they're stunted
193s	i've i've harvested one
195s	thai pepper
197s	which which is which was really hot for
199s	a thai pepper which was good i enjoyed
201s	it thoroughly but uh i've only harvested
203s	one pepper so far i'm i'm still holding
205s	out hope that they'll pick up
208s	um
209s	there's a there is a flower on a reaper
211s	plant and a flower on a ghost pepper
213s	plant but they're tiny plants so i can't
215s	imagine them producing very big peppers
218s	so we'll see what happens
221s	i might be in a little bit too easy zone
222s	for this build it's a little strong i
224s	just kind of hopped in um
227s	which is some dungeon runs today maybe
229s	an arena run too
237s	why didn't you ask for mcfluffin's turd
239s	where bear i mean i i could take a
241s	another just another weird build like
242s	that
247s	i just i had planned for a
250s	bow mage build this week and uh so i was
252s	that's all i was asking for i guess
254s	could have been like give me a build
258s	a greeting shadow dweller
261s	hi i'm a french player just to say i
264s	love the game good job everyone thank
265s	you very much
267s	welcome to the party
273s	do i have a filter set up
275s	yeah i do have a loot filter set up
278s	here's an easy way to check that i guess
280s	yeah there you go
287s	danklabs asks is there anything
289s	happening with story rewards because i
291s	don't see much need to do story beyond
294s	getting the passive skills and idol
296s	slots will there be a reason to go to
298s	act nine
299s	um yeah so there's there's this weird
302s	dichotomy that happens with the story so
303s	it's um
305s	really a useful way for us to get
308s	um specific rewards in the in the hands
311s	of new players as you're leveling up a
312s	character things things that help you as
314s	you go things that we know you're going
315s	to need at certain points in the game
317s	um
318s	stuff like that so it's it's really
320s	useful for things like that like like
321s	giving you little boosts little um
324s	tangible long-term rewards like passive
325s	points and idle slots things like that
327s	um
328s	it's tricky to hand out like
331s	really powerful
333s	uh
335s	like um
337s	uh quest rewards throughout the campaign
340s	and
340s	because it creates this
344s	that's all going to the same i just want
345s	to mention i just want to
346s	mention uh tahario thank you for
348s	resubbing 15 months in a row that's a
350s	long time as well you guys you guys been
353s	around for for
354s	quite a while i think that's the
355s	beginning
359s	july development update oh you want a
360s	july development update interesting i
362s	don't know if there's one in the works
363s	or not
368s	but i'll i'll ask for you
370s	after this
372s	um
375s	oh yes about quest rewards campaign
377s	awards so there's there's this thing
380s	people like making a lot of characters
381s	and we want to make the campaign
383s	uh fun and useful to do
386s	uh but having too much of it be
390s	like static and mandatory
393s	puts a little bit of handcuffs on us as
395s	far as
396s	uh
397s	like
399s	allowing for skips of subsequent
401s	characters things like that um
405s	so we we try and give rewards but lots
407s	of lots of like hard character rewards
409s	that you can only get from the campaign
411s	we try to make it so you can get them
412s	from multiple places in the campaign
413s	that's sort of the general goal
416s	um
431s	that is nice
442s	um
443s	and
447s	they're saying oh yeah campaign rewards
449s	and yeah so i
452s	i think there's going to be we
454s	i know we have plans for more variety
456s	in
457s	quest rewards in games specifically in
459s	the realm of um gear rewards which is
462s	one thing that we've never we've never
464s	had is this like oh you've completed
466s	this um select one of these four pieces
469s	of gear and we can put one of the really
471s	big things that are useful about that is
472s	that we can put things uh um
474s	that are
476s	really specific in there and possibly a
479s	little tricky to get to enable certain
481s	leveling play styles that weren't really
483s	very great before so a good example of
486s	this i think is there's a point with
488s	throwing builds that you get to where
490s	they kind of drop off in the middle of
491s	the campaign
493s	and i think that um
496s	there'd be a really good quest reward at
497s	some point near there near the middle
506s	there we go
507s	haha
508s	uh there'd be a really good quest reward
510s	somewhere in there in the in the middle
511s	game where we could say like okay here's
514s	here's like a really specific only good
516s	for throwing builds item here's a really
518s	specific only good for like cold spell
521s	damage builds you know like and we could
523s	put a few really specific items in there
525s	and a couple more generic ones um
528s	and i think it would it would let us
530s	get uh
532s	a little bit of a helping hand to a few
534s	builds partly through the campaign i
535s	think there's a few spots that are good
536s	for that for a few different types of
537s	builds
540s	uh but as far as specific incentives for
542s	chapter nine
544s	i i i'd like to see the
547s	campaign bosses
549s	just getting better drop rates in
551s	general just dropping more stuff and
552s	getting better drop rates in general so
554s	that you're like okay if i do
556s	if maybe maybe if my character is not
558s	doing amazing that's cool just off the
560s	bridge
561s	maybe my character is not doing amazing
564s	bye
566s	i love ragdoll and bridges um
568s	you you can be like okay well i'm gonna
569s	go do
571s	this boss and get a good chance of
573s	getting some sweet gear for my character
575s	to get into modeling's easier or
576s	something like that
580s	which will just naturally happen to
581s	newer players because they'll do the
583s	whole campaign probably
601s	maybe a big drop boost for the first
604s	kill
604s	of campaign bosses yeah like um this is
607s	something diablo 2 does and i think it's
609s	really good where you have like
612s	uh quest they're called quest drops so
614s	um when you complete mephisto for
617s	uh your quest
619s	he
620s	has it's a guaranteed minimum number of
622s	drops is what it is so it um
627s	the albuquerque's loot tables are are
629s	quite quite brilliant but a little weird
631s	sometimes if you don't understand what's
632s	going on um
633s	and so the
635s	like
636s	the number of items that drop
639s	is based on the number of players in the
642s	game
643s	and a die roll
644s	so it'll be like okay well if you're the
646s	only player in the game you can have up
647s	to five items drop
649s	um
650s	and it rolls for each of those items but
652s	if there's eight players in the game
653s	it's like guaranteed seven items to drop
655s	or something like that like i don't know
656s	what the actual numbers are
660s	um but when you complete it for a quest
661s	reward if anyone is completing the quest
664s	anyone in the party is completing the
665s	quest um it like sets the minimum number
668s	of drops you're gonna get to a pretty
670s	high number
671s	um
673s	and just when you have more cracks at
674s	the
676s	at the back you end up with just better
677s	gear in general
690s	oh will there be steam achievements for
691s	le oh yeah
693s	oh yeah
698s	we didn't put any achievements in yet
700s	part of that is just um it doesn't
703s	advance the actual game development at
705s	all
705s	um so we want to
707s	focus on the things that are really
708s	important first and part of that is
710s	i i think it's
713s	so the like 100 in a game is is pretty
717s	like there's incentives there for sure
720s	um and we wouldn't want to have any
722s	achievements that were impossible to get
724s	to someone who
726s	uh didn't get didn't join during early
728s	access or something like that um so we
730s	have to be pretty careful with which
731s	achievements we did have
738s	i think we figured it was just safer to
740s	kind of hold off
751s	an insect just landed on me and it
753s	startled me
756s	so i was not expecting it
764s	do you need to get the harder monoliths
765s	here because i'm just rolling through
767s	this right now
769s	i'd be able to answer questions well
770s	then
776s	let's see what i got
778s	uh or one time chess like and groomed on
780s	yeah we actually do have
782s	um
783s	some one time chess stuff already
791s	i think it works better in general
792s	unless like the chest is really
793s	thematically appropriate i think it
794s	works better in general as a
797s	boss drop like oh the boss died like
799s	look at look at the blue pinata that
800s	happened you know
802s	oh archer's looks that's a cool helmet i
804s	like this one launched extra companions
809s	i'm not gonna pick it up because i've
810s	got
814s	death mode
824s	uh
826s	of course the big thing is multiplayer
827s	with point nine point oh yes
831s	but is there anything else that's coming
832s	in the patch that you're excited about
833s	yeah there's lots of little things
835s	um
839s	what am i allowed to say
842s	that's always that trick isn't it um
844s	there's like there's skill updates that
845s	are happening um i know some
848s	some that are i know i know some that
850s	some people are really excited about
855s	um like there's there's new uniques
858s	new skills
860s	oh all sorts of stuff like that like
861s	there's just a lot more
863s	i don't think there's any major large
865s	systems planned at the moment
868s	we're still quite a ways out so uh new
870s	stuff could happen
874s	that's one of the first items we added
876s	to the game first uniques very early on
882s	the the numbers the numbering scheme got
885s	uh reset at some point
887s	um
889s	so there was like we had like everything
891s	although all of the uniques were in like
893s	the order that we added them to the game
895s	um
896s	and we were at about
899s	60 of them or so and the number scheme
900s	got reset so it's just like the first 60
902s	in a blob and then all then they're in
904s	order after that um
907s	so it's hard to tell
908s	uh what's what's like the very first
910s	ones were just from like the order they
911s	were added to the list anymore
914s	it's a sweet shield too like the way it
916s	looks the the scepter goes with it my
919s	goodness
924s	yeah these are not great uniques for me
926s	but uh
929s	getting lots of drops which is nice
943s	freedom
945s	[Music]
946s	finally
954s	at least you're being honest about
955s	having death mode yeah
957s	i i just like
959s	i don't have time to both work on the
961s	game and uh play enough to showcase
964s	different builds and i figure
966s	um
968s	most the reason people are here is less
970s	to see me playing more to ask me
971s	questions though me playing is just a
973s	chance that i get to play because i like
975s	playing and having fun
981s	big things big things coming in point
982s	nine that i'm really excited about it's
984s	most for me it's mostly just there's
985s	some skill reworks that have been
987s	uh
989s	on the books for a long time and and
991s	just a lot there's just a lot of little
992s	things really
995s	actually not a bad base for helmet
998s	crit health mana love it
1010s	multiplayer is a big a big game changer
1012s	really
1014s	um
1018s	there's just so much to do there
1021s	we do we do know that a lot of people
1023s	won't play multiplayer or will still
1024s	play single player only in multi like
1026s	online or something like that um and so
1028s	we do want there to be new stuff for
1029s	people to do and have fun and everything
1032s	um
1034s	but we don't have like
1036s	a new entire ground-up system
1039s	coming in or anything like that so
1040s	there's no like
1042s	uh like you know like monolith dungeons
1044s	arenas there's nothing like there's not
1046s	like the fourth thing that would go in
1047s	that category
1048s	coming uh in this
1051s	patch i hope that makes sense
1071s	oh
1073s	2lp
1077s	don't mind if i do
1086s	don't mind if i do oh it's this guy
1089s	like running away from my objective
1093s	will we be getting cutscenes skips
1096s	sooner
1097s	uh cutscene skips soon or is it lower
1099s	party there's only really one no two
1101s	cutscenes right now isn't there um
1104s	i i i think that's something that
1105s	generally is good to have um
1109s	i'd be surprised if we don't add it
1111s	eventually i don't know when it'll
1112s	happen if we do
1117s	uh will the latter get updated for group
1119s	play and solo play
1121s	player for regular software and hardcore
1123s	modes i don't know what's happening with
1124s	the ladder yet
1126s	um we haven't talked about the latter in
1130s	months
1133s	um
1134s	i i
1135s	think
1137s	i don't know what'll happen
1140s	it'll depend how much time we have
1142s	that's that's uh that's
1144s	something we'd love to
1145s	[Music]
1146s	get nailed down um
1148s	i do have it on a list to figure out
1156s	but just getting multiplayer working in
1158s	time is more important
1172s	hello
1185s	all right
1187s	oh hello mike will arena beat instance
1190s	during the campaign in will will area be
1193s	instanced during the campaign in
1194s	multiplayer um
1200s	i think the answer is yes so uh like
1202s	when you walk out into the world like
1204s	um if you're not in a party and you're
1206s	in this zone that i'm in right now
1208s	um no one else can
1211s	come into this zone without you saying
1213s	it's okay
1215s	like this version of this zone
1219s	so uh the only way someone could join
1221s	you here is if you
1223s	uh joined a party with them
1225s	and then they came into the zone
1227s	other than that there's no way for them
1229s	to get here
1237s	i mean there's there's another way
1239s	it's a real roundabout other way so you
1241s	could join a party with someone else
1244s	have them join the zone
1247s	you leave that party and then them join
1249s	the party that you were in with someone
1251s	else
1255s	yeah
1256s	yes their instance
1262s	those are the weird like
1265s	what happens if situations you got to be
1267s	prepared for when when we're like
1268s	developing a multiplayer system like
1270s	that that's that's the hard stuff where
1271s	you're like
1272s	what if someone tries to
1275s	like okay you're doing uh you're
1278s	designing how the reward structure at
1280s	the end of
1281s	um
1282s	temporal sanctum is gonna go where you
1283s	get to create a legendary item
1286s	does one person get to make a legendary
1288s	item does everyone get to make a
1289s	legendary item
1291s	um
1292s	probably everyone right like that would
1293s	make the most sense and not suck
1297s	um
1298s	so you you give everyone the ability to
1300s	make a legendary item now
1303s	uh if someone joins
1306s	part way through do they still get their
1308s	legendary do they have to join before
1310s	the boss fight do they have to join
1311s	before going into the reward chamber
1314s	do they just have to
1316s	uh join at some point do they have to
1318s	and then like if you don't put any
1320s	restrictions on it they can join
1321s	whenever if someone just like beats it
1323s	and then go stands in that room can they
1324s	just cycle people through their party
1326s	coming to make legendaries and just have
1327s	someone sit there and they're in the
1328s	zone
1329s	what do you do to stop that um and it's
1331s	just all these like weird quirky
1333s	scenarios because you don't want it to
1335s	feel like you're stopping people from
1337s	playing or having fun or doing things
1339s	but you need to stop abuse cases
1341s	where there's like clearly breaking of
1344s	intentions of the game you know
1347s	without messing with people who are just
1349s	playing normally
1353s	there's all sorts of tricky edge cases
1355s	like that
1359s	one of those dope looking bee items
1361s	coming um
1362s	don't have any
1364s	details on specifics there did you say
1367s	ice thorns rework i did not say ice
1369s	storms rework
1370s	i wish i said iceland's rework uh will
1372s	there be more unique ones and catalysts
1374s	there seem to be fewer options than
1375s	other item types
1378s	uh i i only know of a couple specific
1381s	uniques that are for sure going in
1383s	because they're the ones that i've
1384s	worked on um
1388s	one one of them's the chest
1393s	uh that you may have
1395s	seen footage of being worked on on a
1398s	different stream
1400s	well maybe
1401s	uh and
1403s	a couple other little things too but
1405s	there might be some more wands in
1406s	catalyst i do agree that it's that it's
1408s	light daggers i think are also still
1409s	pretty light
1410s	nice i'll be right in there
1414s	woohoo beetle boy
1417s	let's go beetle bro lead the way i'll
1418s	follow you
1433s	uh question
1436s	do you think that mercenaries led able
1438s	to have a place in last epoch probably
1440s	not at least not at 1.0 uh and if they
1443s	are how customizable might they be made
1445s	if ever
1446s	um
1448s	inspired by that duo there with zarek uh
1450s	during chapter eight yeah um
1457s	i do really like
1459s	the mercedes system in diablo 2 i think
1460s	it works really well especially with the
1461s	changes they made to it recently
1464s	yeah
1464s	um
1467s	it's something that we've discussed
1469s	quite heavily and have
1471s	intentionally steered clear up
1474s	um
1475s	the reason for this i love 100 crit my
1478s	goodness
1480s	uh part of the reason we've steered
1481s	clear of this so far
1483s	is is this we do have a very heavy
1486s	emphasis on class identity
1488s	um and one of the major things that we
1491s	use to differentiate classes from each
1492s	other is minions
1496s	um and the idea of having a
1499s	like a humanoid like similar to you
1502s	follower mercenary someone that's that
1504s	you're paying to be there
1506s	um
1508s	thematically fits really well with the
1510s	sentinel and not really well with almost
1512s	anyone else i think
1516s	i don't think like a battlefield
1517s	commander that sort of thing
1518s	and and
1520s	as far as mechanical interactions go
1522s	there's certain
1524s	um
1526s	classes that work a lot better with
1528s	more things on the battlefield so to
1530s	speak
1532s	and and one extra body isn't a lot in
1534s	some situations
1535s	but
1537s	certain people can take advantage of it
1538s	way better than others now the same
1541s	screen yellow too but i think to a
1543s	lesser extent honestly
1545s	um
1550s	it's something that we might add there's
1552s	kind of a nod to it in the there's an
1554s	idol
1555s	uh i know there's a relic sorry
1558s	um
1558s	that gives you a crossbow mercenary so
1560s	there's kind of a little nod to it there
1565s	um but it's not very customizable if we
1567s	were to have one i think the
1568s	customization levels would be fairly
1570s	similar to diablo twos
1572s	um deal with three is the same thing
1574s	really uh where you've got like
1577s	a few slots but not a full gear set type
1579s	thing
1581s	um
1582s	or maybe uh like a skill tree so instead
1586s	of having a gear slot system have it be
1587s	like uh
1589s	a skill shoe like they level up and you
1591s	can pick skills for them that sort of
1592s	thing or maybe both but i i it would
1595s	there's there's a lot of complexity that
1597s	that's there
1600s	um
1605s	and i i don't think it's something we
1607s	want i know it's something we've decided
1608s	we don't want for one point at
1611s	least the wrong way
1613s	i may have gone the wrong way
1619s	oh i went the right way nevermind not
1621s	crazy
1624s	well a little crazy
1627s	fools
1632s	try harder then
1639s	i don't have time does that mean uh you
1641s	need some minions interns etc
1647s	we have a lot of very talented people
1648s	working
1649s	on the game
1652s	usually i have enough time to hammer it
1654s	out myself
1656s	like an evening that i just can make a
1658s	build
1662s	i don't i i i quite haven't asked reimer
1665s	to do it
1666s	um but i feel bad doing that because i
1667s	know he's got so many more important
1668s	things to do
1677s	way more important things to do
1682s	uh did you guys ever say that i say what
1684s	kind of trade system you're planning on
1685s	implementing no
1687s	uh d3 style bind on trade something like
1689s	that all i recall is no bizarre feels
1691s	bad man
1692s	and no free trade
1693s	the trade system is still very much up
1695s	in the air um
1697s	we
1698s	don't have anything set in stone hard
1700s	yet nothing's implemented yet um
1702s	we're still
1704s	figuring out the best thing to do
1708s	there's a lot of conflicting
1710s	requirements and it's kind of a cursed
1712s	problem if if um
1715s	if you're interested and never heard of
1716s	the term curse problem there's a sweet
1718s	gdc talk about it
1720s	um
1725s	uh incurs problems are difficult to deal
1727s	with but not impossible
1729s	so
1730s	there's uh
1732s	basically what it means is there's
1734s	there's conflicting
1737s	requirements so you want two things but
1739s	they each say if you do this you can't
1741s	do the other
1748s	um so you'll find a creative solution
1765s	so we're we're still working on exactly
1766s	what's going to happen but i i think
1768s	people will will
1771s	it's it's also important to note that
1773s	it's whatever we do decide on
1775s	at least initially is is not set in
1778s	stone like
1779s	if we if we're like this is our training
1781s	system and we get a ton of feedback and
1782s	people are like this sucks
1785s	and here's why
1786s	like
1788s	after trying it most specifically um
1791s	is
1792s	is that uh like we're not afraid to
1795s	change things
1797s	so if it's if it's not good enough it's
1799s	not living up to the standards
1804s	we can we can accept
1806s	that uh
1807s	needs to be changed if it needs to be
1809s	changed
1811s	uh how will you handle arena
1813s	leaderboards with multiple over
1814s	singapore online don't know yet sorry
1817s	uh hey just got epoch a few days ago and
1819s	been loving it awesome between playing
1822s	and streaming it uh just a great time
1825s	thanks such a great gaming experience
1826s	excited to see what comes with the next
1827s	match glad you're having fun just
1829s	phillip
1837s	uh is the game still beta or is it out
1839s	now technically we are still in uh beta
1841s	early access on steam
1845s	we're pretty good though i think uh as
1847s	far as early access games go i feel like
1849s	we're um
1854s	we're we're probably like
1856s	i think we're doing pretty well
1859s	of course we're not quite at the quality
1861s	level we want yet or the content
1863s	completion yet that we want which is why
1864s	we're selling early access
1872s	there's arguments to be made that we
1873s	could have technically like released
1875s	already and said like multiplayer is not
1877s	out yet or something like that but
1880s	i don't think it would have been a
1882s	like
1883s	i think it would have been disingenuous
1884s	to do that
1897s	i don't remember what i was buying not
1899s	buying i don't remember what i was
1900s	picking up in here i was playing this
1915s	come with me
1917s	and you'll see
1921s	your death be very quick and painless
1928s	you'll get zapped with a blast
1935s	that's shocking and quite aimless
1939s	nailed it
1949s	it's my audition tape for who's line
1952s	wayne i'm coming for your job
1956s	no just kidding
1963s	all right next question after that
1964s	nonsense
1966s	uh so does
1967s	he does unity change his impact last
1969s	year [ __ ] anyway the new ceo uh made
1971s	a deal with a virus company
1978s	um
1980s	it
1981s	really has almost no effect on us
1983s	whatsoever
1985s	um
1987s	there won't be any as a result of this
1989s	happening there won't be any like major
1991s	changes to last epoch um there's no
1993s	requirements for us to use anything
1996s	um
2000s	like yeah
2002s	there's not a lot um
2005s	like we don't even use the same
2007s	uh like we don't even use the the most
2010s	up-to-date version of
2013s	uh
2015s	of unity really so even if they did put
2017s	changes in and force it on on people for
2020s	things we still have the version we're
2020s	using um
2024s	i i don't think it's a big deal i i read
2026s	about this all last week and was i was
2027s	expecting a lot of questions last week
2029s	about it actually
2030s	and someone mentioned it i think
2033s	but no there's there's
2036s	there's almost no impact on it and i i
2037s	don't
2038s	i don't foresee this having a very big
2040s	impact on unity as a whole at all
2042s	anyways
2043s	um
2049s	i also don't know much about the
2050s	situation i do know that a lot of the
2052s	articles
2054s	uh that i read about it initially
2056s	uh were kind of misquoting
2060s	uh to make it seem worse than it was
2063s	um
2065s	not they were they were right quotes but
2066s	they were like really selectively
2068s	quoting you know where it's like it's
2070s	the it's technically true
2072s	but you cut off a few words at the start
2074s	and a few words at the end and you lose
2075s	the context then it's sort of like
2077s	okay yeah but
2079s	no
2082s	who taste the blood
2094s	but i do not pretend to be an expert on
2096s	the matter
2110s	i know someone who's applied for a job
2112s	at unity recently
2114s	no idea if they've got it or not haven't
2116s	talked to them in months
2123s	it's not a bad want
2127s	some interesting gloves
2131s	some fun stuff there
2137s	plans to make shards auto go into the
2138s	forge no having to push that button just
2140s	seems very unnecessary yeah we're trying
2142s	to make them feel like items really and
2144s	uh auto going to the forge takes that
2146s	away a lot
2148s	there's a short answer to that question
2150s	uh can we please uh be able to dual
2152s	wield wands
2153s	uh we actually very intentionally do not
2155s	dual wield wands
2157s	um so i would say unlikely to do so
2161s	you really want that ik
2163s	it is a small idea but would love it
2166s	yeah um
2169s	i i would say it's unlikely to happen
2171s	anytime soon
2172s	um
2174s	it could you know you never know it
2175s	could happen eventually who knows but
2177s	um
2179s	1.0 very unlikely i would say
2198s	can people hear that airplane through my
2199s	headset
2203s	i need the noise canceling software to
2205s	work again but
2207s	when i turn it on it makes the headset
2209s	not work
2221s	i wonder if streamlabs actually has that
2222s	built in
2227s	i'd be surprised if it did
2239s	some big numbers that pop up when you
2240s	get like the uh the stars align on this
2243s	build love it
2244s	all right yeah you're right
2253s	don't pick those up at all it's just a
2256s	force of habit picking those up but i
2257s	don't know why i do it because
2259s	i don't need them
2264s	like
2269s	yeah get that xp though
2272s	i do need that
2286s	is there target number of uniques per
2288s	slot or per item type for launch no um
2291s	and i think it's so we we very
2292s	intentionally don't put
2294s	uh specific numbers like that on things
2296s	because we don't want to be like uh we
2298s	don't want to ever be in a situation
2299s	where we have maybe we have 15
2302s	one-headed swords unique one in swords
2304s	and say
2306s	seven unique one-handed axes
2309s	they're pretty similar what roles they
2310s	feel a little bit different here and
2312s	there um and we maybe we have a great
2314s	idea for a unique sword we're like oh
2316s	yeah this is a unique sword we want to
2318s	put in we're like we have more than
2319s	double the unique swords and axes let's
2321s	hold off on putting the sweet sword in
2323s	so we can do more axes and instead
2324s	they're being like
2326s	can't they give any good access to put
2328s	in
2329s	and it it
2331s	it puts us
2333s	we'd rather just be like let's make
2334s	items that we think are really cool
2336s	um
2338s	sometimes we'll look at it as a whole
2340s	and say like
2341s	this one's really lagging far behind
2343s	let's try and brainstorm some ideas for
2345s	this slot because this one's lagging so
2347s	far behind the other ones
2350s	and that's that's more what it is it's
2351s	just sort of a like
2352s	make what you think is going to be sweet
2354s	um
2355s	and then if we find
2357s	if if you notice some really big gaps
2359s	try and fill this if you can
2362s	um but i think it's worked pretty well
2364s	it definitely especially in beta where a
2366s	lot more lacks on things like that
2367s	because um
2369s	we're still like developing all sorts of
2371s	stuff and maybe there's um
2373s	items we have planned maybe there's like
2375s	a master class or like oh this is going
2377s	to have a sweet item that's going to go
2378s	here in this slot but we can't release
2379s	it until this master class gets released
2381s	or we've got a sweet item that's going
2383s	to go with a rework of this skill we
2385s	can't release it until the skill gets
2386s	reworked
2388s	you know there's things like that that
2389s	happen
2393s	an example of that being the unique
2395s	chest plate i was referring to earlier
2416s	don't forget to put at last epoch game
2417s	in your question if you want me to see
2418s	it but i do see this one because first
2420s	time chat and highlights it
2422s	is already out the multiplayer no
2425s	we do have our community tester program
2427s	in multiplayer right now um that's live
2431s	right now so any of our cts could be
2433s	playing multiplayer if they wanted um
2439s	we hit
2440s	uh ccu that was significantly higher
2443s	than our previous high on ccus
2445s	um which was great
2449s	um concurrent users so like
2451s	simultaneous people playing uh which is
2453s	the mark of
2455s	uh like how stable the servers are at
2457s	larger and larger numbers is really
2459s	important
2463s	things have been going well so far
2465s	there's uh
2467s	still lots of stuff to do
2471s	i think if i think a few people enjoyed
2472s	the ct program didn't believe us
2473s	somewhere like there's still a lot to do
2474s	but we're gonna we're starting to test
2476s	it there's still a lot to do i think
2478s	it's a few people are like oh my god
2480s	there's still a lot to do
2484s	i think a lot of them were expecting it
2486s	to just be like finished and ready to go
2487s	and we were just holding back because we
2488s	were scared or something
2492s	but no there's a lot to do still
2506s	there's a lot of funny things left that
2508s	that sometimes you wouldn't think would
2509s	be an issue where you're like well it
2510s	works in single player why does it work
2511s	in multiplayer
2512s	um
2513s	like channeling abilities don't work
2515s	still they're real close they're so
2517s	close to working fully there's a few
2518s	there's a few quirks
2520s	um
2524s	weird things like zone transitions while
2526s	channeling cause weird issues
2529s	um
2530s	like you whirlwind into uh our world war
2533s	path into uh like a zone transition
2536s	what happens right
2538s	some weird stuff happens
2548s	i had a heck of a time i think there's
2549s	still a bug actually in the game
2551s	where if you are um
2553s	rampaging
2555s	on the werebear as you go when you start
2558s	rampaging on the way his eyes turn uh
2561s	red there's like these red glowing like
2562s	fire trails on the eyes looks really
2563s	cool um
2565s	but if you zone transition while that's
2567s	going the eyes don't disappear when you
2570s	get to the next zone there's still like
2571s	glowy eyes in the next zone
2575s	um
2576s	and then then if you use another ability
2578s	to go away or something so it's just
2580s	like this brief or as soon as you start
2582s	walking they go away it's like it's only
2583s	there for a split second
2585s	but like you know it's there
2592s	am i just going the wrong way i can't
2593s	remember where to go
2605s	let's go
2607s	let's play
2613s	sir the thomas and friends theme song
2623s	all right
2625s	uh what do you
2627s	uh
2628s	what do you on the
2631s	what do you on the deck that your game
2633s	is an inferior alternative compared to
2636s	lost ark
2638s	um
2639s	tough question answer i'm going to
2640s	disagree with the premise first off oh
2645s	look at that that's nice uh i'm going to
2649s	disagree with on the premise right off
2651s	the bat because
2653s	i think they're trying to accomplish
2654s	very different things
2658s	and um
2660s	i would say
2662s	sit in like
2664s	very similar genres but are slightly
2666s	different
2667s	um
2669s	also one of those games is released and
2671s	one of them is not
2674s	[Music]
2677s	but yeah
2680s	i guess i'll i guess i'll just have to
2681s	disagree with the premise that's all i
2682s	have to say about it
2683s	uh is every skill able to ignite yes
2686s	there might be some situations where you
2688s	can take a skill
2689s	um
2692s	that is
2697s	that like prevents it from being able to
2699s	ignite
2700s	like there might be some some specific
2702s	setups where you can make a seal not
2704s	able to ignite but you have to like take
2706s	nodes specifically designed to do that
2710s	uh will we ever be able to deal with
2711s	ones maybe un unlikely anytime soon oh
2713s	just release a big delay yeah sorry
2715s	the delay is not actually that big i'm
2717s	just slow
2720s	uh isn't cursed just the opposite of uh
2724s	based
2726s	also i'm going to campaign about the
2729s	trading system
2730s	okay complain about the trading system
2733s	without trying it no matter what it is
2735s	as a custom
2738s	wonderful
2745s	yeah
2748s	i don't know if you're joking or not
2753s	uh do you have a general rule on how uh
2756s	how the same bus will stack in a party
2757s	like having four paladins with holy aura
2759s	for example um
2762s	yeah it's it's a little bit weird
2765s	right now i'm pretty sure so holy aura
2768s	is busted as
2770s	in uh multiplayer right now it's so
2772s	strong
2773s	um because what it does right now is it
2775s	it takes it combines them so if you have
2778s	two people with opposite parts of the
2780s	tree where like
2781s	one person's like so it will only take
2784s	you'll see the most recently applied
2786s	of each type of stat
2789s	from each person is the way it works
2790s	right now this could very well change
2792s	probably will change i think
2795s	so if
2796s	one person's holy aura gives i'm just
2798s	gonna use random stats i have no idea if
2799s	these stats are actually on holy or
2800s	right now or not but say one stat one
2802s	whole aura gives
2804s	health
2804s	all res
2806s	and
2807s	strength
2809s	and another holy aura gives
2812s	intelligence and vitality and strength
2815s	so you got this like strength overlap
2817s	here
2818s	um
2819s	and
2820s	one of them gives five strength and one
2821s	of them gives ten strength
2823s	uh so what what i think happens right
2825s	now is you basically always have
2828s	those other four stats i said and then
2831s	you just have the most recently applied
2833s	strength set and it applies every half
2835s	second or every third of a second or
2836s	something like that
2837s	um
2838s	so you'll just like flick back and forth
2840s	between five and ten strength added from
2841s	it i think is the way it's working right
2843s	now um
2846s	but i could be wrong
2848s	and we're still working on it so
2851s	the general rule of thumb for most
2854s	um similarly applied buffs is the most
2856s	recent one wins
2858s	so if there's two buffs that and this
2859s	this only applies to named buffs
2863s	um so so i use the term named buffs
2866s	as like a term
2868s	and what i mean by that is
2870s	um
2871s	if if uh
2874s	if a node says
2876s	whenever you
2877s	cast a fire spell gain 10 armor
2881s	that won't be a named buff because it
2883s	stacks right
2885s	so it'll just be
2887s	every time you use it you just get that
2888s	thing no matter what doesn't matter
2890s	um
2891s	but anything that basically anything
2893s	that doesn't stack won't stack in a
2895s	group setting either
2896s	um
2897s	so things where it's like uh if you've
2900s	cast a fire skill in the last
2902s	four seconds
2903s	you have plus 100 armor um casting a
2906s	second fire skill doesn't give you 200
2908s	armor it just resets the timer on that
2910s	that's that's what i mean by a named
2911s	buff it's something that will override
2913s	itself when you get a new version of it
2915s	and thank you very much viper 34j for
2917s	the twitch prime sub and also thank you
2919s	for arrow weird who's resubbed for eight
2921s	months in a row with yay oceans
2924s	the oceans is right glad to have you
2926s	both with us with us hope you're
2928s	enjoying yourselves
2935s	hope you're enjoying hanging out asking
2938s	some questions
2940s	which i'm gonna do better to get through
2942s	because i think i'm behind it right now
2945s	um
2955s	here we go here we go here we go oh my
2957s	build is wrong too isn't it on last
2959s	week's build sorry
2961s	i did not prepare well for today i'm
2963s	just not just a mess
2965s	just a mess
2966s	on the plus side finished an awesome
2969s	project for uh multiplayer today
2972s	so
2973s	that's really
2975s	really happy times
2983s	uh will it ever be possible to be able
2986s	to throw daggers via some skill or mod
2990s	complain about dealing about dual
2991s	wielding too um
2994s	complain oh com oh compliant with dual
2997s	wielding too sorry my bad i read that
2999s	wrong um
3001s	so we we really intentionally try to
3003s	make throwing abilities
3005s	like you're you're not throwing the
3007s	actual ability and i know we have like
3009s	this there's a there's a note in
3011s	javelin and in shield throw that that
3014s	dude that does make it like you're
3015s	throwing the ability so like
3017s	yeah that's that's a possibility um
3021s	we haven't until now
3023s	um and it's been pretty intentional that
3025s	we haven't until now
3036s	there's the so the way the way it's
3038s	generally balanced is that there is a
3039s	lot of different ways that you can build
3041s	javelin to where it's not focused on the
3044s	hit damage specifically um whether it's
3047s	it's more it's more based on like the
3049s	lightning trails or your
3052s	your like
3053s	you're mostly applying um ailments
3055s	things like that like there's a lot of
3057s	things where it's not about the initial
3058s	hit
3059s	um so you can you can use other you can
3062s	use non-spear weapons to play with it
3065s	really nicely
3068s	um
3069s	and then the shield throw one has the
3071s	downside of it takes away all your block
3073s	when you throw your shield
3074s	um like you just can't block at all
3077s	um so there's there's sort of
3080s	entry balancing uh effects or
3084s	um
3086s	downsides to it
3087s	when we do have something like that
3089s	that's funny another hobby b
3092s	rain dance
3093s	yeah that's cool
3098s	i i had forgotten about those boots
3103s	completely forgotten about them
3108s	but yeah like the the this is the
3110s	problem so i'm trying to answer this as
3112s	like a hypothetical situation it could
3114s	happen i mean like
3115s	will it ever be possible to do x
3118s	probably not but maybe
3120s	or probably but i don't know are kind of
3122s	like the two answers i can give there um
3125s	it's it's always just maybe
3127s	um
3130s	ever's a long time
3132s	i guess it's the best way i can say that
3135s	um
3136s	are you planning on some sort of hideout
3137s	not initially at least we we do want
3140s	like main towns to become player hubs
3143s	and places where you can like hang out
3145s	and talk and see other people and and
3148s	kind of help the world feel alive
3151s	and um
3154s	hideouts can be a really good way to
3156s	uh let you have sort of alternative
3158s	activities to do customizing your
3160s	hideout things like that and there's
3162s	there's a lot of fun there a lot of
3163s	things you can like earn through like as
3166s	like rewards for races
3168s	um or just like completing achievements
3170s	or uh certain quests you know like
3172s	there's all sorts of stuff you can do um
3174s	to have cool stuff for hideouts in the
3176s	game um
3181s	i i we won't we're not playing it for
3183s	1.0 specifically because it does take
3185s	people out of that communal area and
3187s	will make the game feel less alive in
3190s	general in multiplayer um
3192s	but also just because it's
3195s	a lot of extra work and an extra feature
3197s	that uh we don't have time to implement
3199s	by 1.0
3200s	um
3202s	that's that's the real main reason
3204s	it's just we don't have the time to get
3205s	it in any anything that's actually going
3207s	to hit with 1.0 at this point better be
3210s	a really important feature
3212s	you better be like oh yeah you need that
3217s	or else i don't know why i went this way
3219s	just
3220s	turned back here
3225s	i was just i just saw enemies and i'm
3227s	like oh yeah they go get got
3231s	they got cut
3240s	there's like a loop around and i could
3241s	have just kept going fine
3256s	all righty next question here
3260s	can we expect some of the unreleased
3262s	mastery when multiplayer is released no
3264s	you can expect the
3266s	mastery classes by 1.0 at the latest
3270s	that's all the information i have
3279s	it might come there it might come later
3281s	it might come
3282s	anytime between now and 1.0
3285s	inclusive
3294s	uh from steam oh we have steam chat
3296s	questions too
3299s	i should have that open shouldn't i
3305s	that's cool uh all right rin tintin
3308s	welcome from steam chat glad to have you
3310s	with us i'm sorry i don't look at the
3311s	same chat my bad uh i don't know thank
3313s	and thank you kane for uh checking that
3314s	i appreciate it a lot uh i don't know if
3317s	this question was already done but and
3318s	it's okay if it was uh when do you plan
3321s	to implement something like transmog
3323s	into the game um i would we don't have a
3326s	specific timeline on anything like that
3328s	yet unfortunately oh i can do this can't
3330s	i
3331s	um
3334s	i i like 1.0 at the earliest
3338s	so uh new masters at one point the
3340s	latest transponders 1.0 with the
3341s	earliest yes
3352s	uh what is the sweet spot in terms of
3354s	power distribution of a character
3356s	between passive skill trees items and
3357s	skills for last epoch
3359s	um that's a really difficult question to
3361s	answer great question uh real tough to
3364s	answer um i'll take a shot at it though
3366s	um
3369s	i think that
3373s	there's there's a few there's some
3375s	feelings that are that way that i'd like
3377s	to hit with it um one of those feelings
3380s	is
3381s	uh level break points
3383s	so what that means is certain points in
3385s	the leveling process where you go
3387s	where you're like
3388s	i i really want to hit level 50 because
3392s	i know that something awesome happens at
3393s	level 50. um games that do this really
3395s	well yeah uh wow wow does this
3398s	unbelievably well with um
3401s	like like mounting mounts um whatever
3404s	the levels get mounted anymore but
3405s	you're like oh i need to hit 30 to get
3408s	my mount oh i need to hit 50 to get my
3411s	fast mount oh i need to hit 70 to get
3414s	flying mounts
3415s	um
3416s	probably way off on those numbers i'm
3417s	sorry
3418s	and um
3421s	and and like you you really you push for
3423s	those levels because when you do hit it
3425s	you're like
3427s	that's a sweet bump it's this it's this
3429s	jump that happens
3430s	um so we we we try we try and get that a
3433s	little bit with um
3435s	new skills to unlock at higher levels
3437s	specifically which is tied
3440s	kind of sideways with passives so you
3442s	don't it doesn't necessarily always
3443s	happen on level up and it's always the
3444s	same level because of how many passive
3446s	quests you do um or if you split into
3449s	multiple skill trees as you're leveling
3450s	or not but that's one of the ways we try
3452s	and push that a little bit and i know
3453s	that kind of links in with passives
3455s	instead of uh
3458s	skills there but that's that's something
3459s	that's one sort of
3461s	feeling moment we try and hit is
3463s	uh
3464s	is that and so so and a lot of that
3466s	power is
3467s	coming from
3468s	just having new skills available as far
3470s	as end game power distribution goes um
3475s	i think i think a lot of what we're
3477s	hoping you're getting power from is
3479s	items
3481s	and i know i know that's not the case
3483s	right now um
3486s	it is skewed too heavily towards skills
3489s	for sure um
3491s	and we try and build ways into
3496s	the goal is to build ways into the
3497s	skills themselves so that it changes how
3502s	uh changes the effect that that your
3503s	items have on them
3505s	um
3508s	and
3511s	like it's more the goal from a power
3514s	perspective
3515s	to have power come from items
3518s	and
3519s	most functionality come from the skill
3522s	trees themselves
3525s	and then having passives work as more of
3527s	a like an overall character archetype
3530s	um more enabling things now that doesn't
3533s	mean that there can't be unique effects
3535s	that come from passives and there can't
3536s	be power that comes from skill trees or
3538s	anything like that um
3540s	because we want sort of like a little
3541s	bit of everything with everything
3544s	just gonna let that
3546s	probably just go kill it but
3547s	i could still be attacking it couldn't i
3549s	um
3552s	yeah actually just attacked it
3554s	that was that was dumb anyways um
3562s	as far as the distribution goes i'm kind
3564s	of rambling some stalling for time a
3565s	little bit here as i think as far as the
3567s	distribution that goes from that sweet
3569s	spot as power goes i think that
3571s	items should have the most
3574s	um
3576s	i'm gonna say skills and skill trees
3578s	bumping that is one thing should be the
3580s	second most and passives
3582s	should probably be the third most
3586s	maybe passions and skills
3588s	interchangeable based on the build
3590s	but the important thing is items should
3591s	have the most i think
3593s	of raw power coming from
3606s	will the devs add some world background
3608s	narrative cutscenes to last epoch yes
3612s	i think the background story describing
3614s	the world god's power struggles etc will
3616s	be very helpful in painting the picture
3617s	for a tara i completely agree and we're
3619s	working on it
3621s	uh thanks for implementing this system
3622s	that detects if i'm not being responsive
3624s	or if i'm working on the forge of skill
3627s	trees it seems like the towers that
3628s	shoot aoes at me and amano stop shooting
3631s	in two until i start playing again yes
3633s	that is a recent feature that i'm quite
3635s	pleased with
3636s	um
3638s	it's not perfect there's there's a few
3640s	times where we're like this is still an
3642s	issue in this like weird edge case but
3645s	for the most part it works really well
3646s	um
3647s	and it was specifically designed
3649s	with uh the monos in mind that like went
3652s	with the the uh
3653s	spires the spire monoliths was the was
3656s	the
3658s	primary incentive for that
3677s	i don't know what happened this guy got
3678s	stuck over here
3689s	um
3700s	got him pebbles what a funny little item
3704s	i am not a man
3707s	i love that voice line
3709s	so much
3711s	i'm not a man of many pockets
3715s	love it
3716s	love it
3717s	uh
3719s	does monolith xp scale up as you get
3721s	further from the center um like uh by
3724s	monolith xp i think you mean stability
3727s	um like this bar up here yes it does so
3730s	if we look at this one right here this
3731s	one gets 23 timeline stability um but
3734s	then if we come back to the center
3737s	so it gives 10 timeline stability and
3739s	then up to 22 bonus um the bonus also
3742s	goes up i think
3744s	up to 48 so yeah it's like double at
3746s	this point
3748s	so yeah if you're trying to rush
3751s	but boss brush a bunch um the best way
3753s	to do that is to um get as far from the
3755s	center as you can in a straight line
3757s	i think i think it's the most efficient
3758s	way
3763s	how are we looking for high-end gpu
3765s	optimization big stability updates
3766s	coming from 0.9 hopefully outside of fps
3768s	performance um
3771s	they kind of go those two things kind of
3772s	go hand in hand um
3774s	part part of the problem
3776s	so little of what's causing issues is
3779s	actually uh gpu
3781s	issues um
3788s	uh
3789s	but
3790s	we are we are working on that
3792s	as as a whole um and they they do come
3794s	together simultaneously so it's
3797s	i don't i don't know specifically i
3799s	don't have numbers that i can share with
3800s	you
3802s	um
3803s	but it is better than it was tell you
3805s	that much
3812s	did i really oh yeah
3833s	crushing it
3838s	did he move too far
3840s	yeah i got rooms though
3844s	this thing with this fight he can move
3846s	slightly and you can get to a point
3847s	where there's nowhere to go in the one
3848s	direction you're trying to go
3849s	um and like you're like i'm near i'm as
3851s	far as i can go and he's just like
3852s	pushed it into a corner
3854s	um and you don't have time to run around
3856s	to the other side
3865s	he dies right
3868s	i think so
3871s	all right what do we got poison no
3874s	poison no
3876s	queer avoidance yeah
3881s	so far bastion key drama that's a cool
3884s	item
3885s	do you like that item
3890s	uh will it be possible to convert
3892s	daggers
3893s	uh from melee to throne ella's spear to
3895s	javelin for sentinel maybe um
3897s	i don't know if this is
3899s	re-asking if i've
3900s	uh
3903s	forgot if that's like further down or
3905s	something
3909s	mike is the saint for even answering
3910s	that i wonder which question that was
3915s	uh do you feel that you are happy with
3917s	the current passive skill trees uh for
3920s	each of the classes uh or do you think
3922s	there's changes coming from oh yeah
3924s	there's definitely changes coming from
3925s	them for sure um
3927s	so i i like i want to answer yes that
3929s	whole question because yes i'm very
3931s	happy with them yes i definitely want to
3932s	see changes to them um
3935s	i i think there's
3937s	that they're ever evolving there's new
3938s	things coming in all the time um
3941s	we we develop new techniques for them we
3943s	add new technology that we can use in
3944s	the back end to change how they work
3946s	there's um a great example in the i
3948s	don't think there are any in this
3951s	tree yet
3957s	i don't see any
3959s	i don't think there's anything in here
3960s	there's something that we're calling um
3964s	uh
3965s	milestone
3966s	passives that's wrong
3969s	uh
3970s	crap can't remember where they are uh
3973s	after you have enough points in the note
3975s	it says like at five or more points you
3977s	get this extra boost so it'll be like
3979s	maybe like plus one strength per point
3980s	but at five points you get uh plus one
3983s	to all stats it's just like a little
3984s	extra boost
3986s	and um
3989s	threshold nodes nailed it and uh
3993s	so we're we're
3994s	adding we added a bunch of those in when
3995s	we did the druid passive and the whole
3997s	druid class rework
3999s	um and so we're gonna we're starting to
4001s	sprinkle those in elsewhere uh into
4003s	other classes and as we do some reworks
4004s	and some other passive trees i do think
4006s	that sark needs some love in their
4008s	passive tree for sure
4009s	and then as we add in the masters like
4011s	as you add in rune master
4013s	so we look at the base section of a tree
4016s	um
4017s	in the context of this is the sorcerer
4020s	rune master spellblade nodes they're
4023s	primarily the sorcerer nodes but
4025s	roommate rune master and spellblade do
4026s	get access to these um and so when
4028s	remaster comes in
4030s	we need to re-look at the lower sorcerer
4032s	nodes and the lower spellblade nodes in
4034s	the context that remaster can also have
4036s	access to them and then we also need to
4037s	look at these
4039s	the entire like the spellblade upper
4040s	nodes and the sorcerer upper nodes and
4042s	the lower nodes as well of all of them
4044s	in the context that suddenly they now
4046s	have access to the lower runemaster
4047s	nodes as well
4049s	so just the context of what's available
4050s	changes everything needs to be looked at
4052s	and as we're going in especially adding
4053s	new masteries we're going to be looking
4054s	at all the other trees in there as well
4056s	just as as a whole
4059s	so like
4061s	the rogue trees the acolyte trees and
4063s	the mage trees will all get decent looks
4066s	when their mastery comes in and then
4068s	they'll also get just looks in general
4070s	as well as we do other things and the
4071s	other the other ones
4073s	are are i'm not suggesting the other
4075s	ones are done by any means either
4076s	they'll all get changes
4078s	but there's just more things that will
4082s	passively cause us to look at other
4084s	things as well
4086s	are you hiring yes we are hiring um
4090s	there is a
4094s	hiring careers page
4103s	i'm just literally googling 11th hour
4104s	games careers and seeing what comes up
4108s	yeah just just do that and uh
4111s	yeah there's our last epoch game careers
4114s	or whatever yeah there's
4115s	google it's it's the seo is good it's
4117s	the first result
4120s	um
4121s	there's specific postings we have listed
4123s	um there are
4126s	uh specific the specific postings we
4128s	have listed
4129s	and then um like we do get like just
4134s	cold call
4136s	requests i guess sometimes where like
4138s	someone someone's just i don't know what
4139s	to call them um so it's just like i
4141s	think i'd be really good fit in this
4142s	role and here's why and we look at them
4145s	it's rare that that results in us hiring
4147s	someone but it has happened
4151s	because we're not specifically looking
4152s	for a role
4156s	you know what
4162s	go do a soulfire bastion
4166s	if i've got the right things unlocked i
4167s	hope i do oh
4169s	brief moment
4172s	oh uh here's a couple questions here um
4176s	still possible to apply for multiplayer
4178s	uh yeah it's still possible to apply we
4180s	i i know we've slowed down the intake
4184s	someone gave me a sweet response that i
4186s	can say to these questions i'm just
4187s	gonna read the response
4190s	where's that response
4193s	here we go
4194s	we have finished processing applications
4196s	and sent out invites for the current
4198s	series of ct tests we'll be continuing
4200s	to expand multiplayer testing leading up
4202s	to 0.9.0 so don't entirely forget your
4205s	email and keep an eye out for other
4206s	opportunities if you're interested in
4208s	participating in alpha tests
4212s	um
4213s	thank you deadlifts wonderful looks like
4215s	they'll has gifted five subs to the
4216s	channel
4217s	uh congrats tim we've got one of those
4218s	thank you very much glad to have you
4220s	with us
4221s	drink lots of water
4227s	and another question from some random
4229s	person just wandered it off the street
4231s	moxjet200 asks uh what are we going to
4235s	see the beekeepers i can't wait forever
4237s	mike
4239s	i i
4240s	i
4241s	haven't been told i can show it come to
4244s	my come to my
4246s	my uh teasers thread
4248s	and discord and uh let me know i can
4251s	post it i will
4260s	um
4265s	mike tells us he finished a project and
4267s	he told the project okay it was it was
4269s	uh
4270s	it doesn't seem awesome at all
4272s	um
4274s	i was redoing the login flow
4277s	so just like
4278s	when you first boot up the game
4280s	how the process of like turning the game
4283s	on to
4284s	i can pick a character now that flow
4286s	just redoing that
4290s	a lot of error messages and things like
4292s	that
4295s	uh you can put an idle clicker in the
4297s	hideouts yeah
4298s	you can put an
4303s	blow my mind that they're a game i've
4305s	tried them
4307s	it didn't resonate super well with me
4308s	but like i i
4310s	i get it
4312s	for the most part i think
4315s	i'm gonna take a brief moment
4318s	to share something that i printed that i
4320s	think is really cool i don't think i've
4321s	shown this already
4324s	yeah it's a cube
4326s	non-descript cube
4328s	and there's some treasures inside oh
4331s	what's this
4333s	oh
4335s	little a little a little
4339s	and one more i hope they're big enough
4340s	to see
4342s	ah
4345s	it's quite confusing it shouldn't
4346s	probably exist
4348s	no one can explain it
4352s	uh
4353s	why do games launch with some video
4355s	settings adjustments the user can choose
4357s	from but not audio
4359s	uh i wish games would start muted in the
4361s	first options to move the slider from
4363s	zero
4364s	with continuous audio running so the
4365s	user can increase it until it reaches
4366s	comfortable level audio balancing is
4368s	just as unknown of a variable as video
4371s	options like brightness too many games
4373s	have blasted my ears when launching it's
4374s	not healthy or fun i agree i'm pretty
4377s	sure that we launch at 50 volume right
4379s	now
4380s	um
4381s	this is one of my biggest pet peeves
4382s	about civ 6. is that you start it up and
4385s	it's just like i'm not going to have
4387s	been hit because it'll blow your ears
4388s	out
4392s	um
4393s	wow it was a bad example because the
4394s	rest of the sentence goes 70 for flying
4396s	mouth then 80 are flying out then 90 for
4398s	flying that yeah okay
4400s	let me rephrase that uh
4402s	early 2000's wow is a good example
4405s	because
4409s	there's lots of other good examples
4410s	there too maybe a better example would
4412s	be diablo 2 because you unlock skills at
4415s	like you you get blizzard at 30.
4418s	um no you don't you get uh frozen orbit
4421s	30.
4425s	right
4441s	your first door over 30 referrals right
4443s	in the corrections okay cool
4446s	um
4448s	you know what i mean though the point
4449s	still stands i think suggestion branch
4451s	highlighting for better timeline
4453s	navigation slightly dim
4454s	the branches unrelated to the currently
4457s	selected node also search uh search
4460s	field for the echo please i i the
4463s	we we do that like the that dim um that
4466s	you're talking about that does happen
4468s	the ones you have access to can choose
4470s	from are highlighted
4471s	um
4474s	currently selected doesn't have any that
4476s	are like extra highlighting yet that
4478s	might be an idea um search we pretty
4480s	intentionally don't have a search there
4482s	um
4484s	it's possible it could happen one day
4488s	um but right now it's very intentionally
4490s	not a search
4494s	that is a suggestion we do get
4497s	not infrequently though so
4499s	i mean the more frequently we get
4500s	suggestions the more likely we are to
4503s	to to do it
4515s	am i just going to shred through this
4522s	i might just shred
4524s	let's go
4531s	big bada boom
4533s	big bada boom
4550s	how do you handle certain skills or
4553s	nodes where a party
4555s	uh setting or in a party setting they
4557s	might over perform but a single player
4559s	it works well let's say holy aura as an
4561s	example
4562s	um
4565s	yeah it's it's
4568s	it's it's a very tricky problem you're
4569s	absolutely right um they're all on a
4571s	case-by-case basis
4573s	um
4575s	holy aura
4576s	julio is a tricky one and uh it's on the
4579s	list of things to
4581s	to to make changes to right now
4584s	um
4585s	i think what'll happen is we'll get a
4587s	little bit more
4588s	[Music]
4589s	uh
4590s	power focus on yourself
4593s	with it so it'll like it'll help things
4596s	um or or there'll be there'll be nodes
4598s	where it's like
4601s	i'll be more emphasis on yourself i
4603s	think is what might happen i could be
4604s	wrong on this one this is sort of
4606s	huge speculation
4607s	um
4610s	but i think i
4612s	i think the key thing is that they don't
4614s	just straight overlap when you have or
4616s	double up when you have two of them
4617s	running that's the most important part i
4618s	think really
4621s	um because we want people to
4623s	to be able to find synergies to to help
4625s	each other out uh to improve each other
4627s	as as you're playing together like
4629s	that's that's the sort of stuff that
4630s	we'd like to promote being possible
4632s	um
4634s	i i think you get this sort of in order
4637s	to
4638s	be perfectly optimal with more people
4640s	is is is a lot harder so there's a lot
4642s	more
4643s	um there's a
4645s	lot more that needs to be done to get
4646s	multiple people to work together
4647s	optimally than there is for you to just
4649s	be able to control yourself
4652s	um so if there's
4655s	if there are things that their mechanics
4657s	and abilities or whatever that just
4659s	intrinsically are better in multiplayer
4662s	it's not the end of the world because
4664s	there's sort of this like
4666s	per person slight nerf that happens of
4669s	just not
4670s	being as optimal as
4673s	four people individually playing than
4675s	one person being able to optimize
4676s	themselves
4679s	um
4682s	and then on top of that the content does
4683s	get harder when you get more people so
4686s	there's that as well
4696s	but sometimes we put sometimes just
4697s	generally speaking sometimes we'll put
4698s	caps
4700s	on
4700s	the amounts of things that will happen
4702s	so if it's like something that you're
4703s	stacking up together like what's a good
4705s	example a shred armor shred um an
4708s	armature is a bad example but fire
4709s	resistant shred is a good example
4711s	uh so there's a maximum amount of stacks
4713s	of fire resistant stretch i think it's
4714s	20.
4717s	so if everyone brings a lot of fire
4719s	resistance resistance shred it stacks up
4721s	faster and it's really great because
4722s	everyone's applying fire damage and
4723s	their synergies there but there's that
4725s	same cap you're never going to get more
4727s	fire res shred total
4729s	in a multiplayer setting than you are in
4731s	a single player setting because there's
4732s	a hard cap on it um and we try and we
4735s	like there's all these things that
4737s	conflict with each other because we try
4738s	and avoid hard caps wherever we can
4739s	because
4740s	generally speaking they're less
4742s	interesting when things are hard capped
4745s	um
4746s	and there's times where it's not yeah
4747s	yeah but um
4751s	so it's it's that's why it's all it's
4752s	all on a per case basis so we're always
4754s	like we have this set of tools to
4756s	um to work with and how do we use those
4759s	and pick and choose features
4761s	to make the the system as a whole work
4764s	nicely
4768s	get out of that
4772s	you're an angry elf aren't you
4776s	just standing this for fun
4780s	just getting a nice tan
4786s	all right
4789s	can we speak through
4790s	you can squeak through
4799s	uh yeah
4805s	a little little maze there to navigate
4810s	all right next question
4817s	any chance we can choose an old
4820s	previously picked blessing at a boss
4823s	there's no plans for that currently um
4826s	there's always a chance never say never
4830s	again great movie um
4835s	it would reduce the uncertainty of
4839s	uncertainty of going back to an older
4841s	build and spending hours getting unlucky
4843s	right now it's probably faster to level
4844s	a new character per build than swapping
4846s	around yeah there's there's some things
4849s	like that that it's tricky to
4853s	to navigate still and it's it's not off
4855s	the table it's not currently planned
4859s	yeah i have come to play fire
4873s	got him
4884s	some cool stuff there
4886s	3.99
4890s	that's i can be left with some awkward
4892s	number because of that
4896s	fantastic work
4898s	for moses will clutter with delight when
4901s	i give him my reports thank you know
4904s	about those soul members
4906s	care to let me see your whole
4908s	friend
4910s	yeah what should i what should i go for
4914s	let's get some random stuff for fun
4915s	let's go with a
4917s	pair of gloves
4938s	apparently i don't like gloves right now
4941s	so let's
4942s	get
4943s	a
4945s	sorry relic
4948s	oh lucky
4959s	nice one
4960s	54 in boots
4966s	yeah lucky you
4970s	so decent
4971s	not great
4974s	ours are definitely better
4976s	yeah
4977s	that's okay
4981s	let's go let's go tackle lightless arbor
4985s	eh
4988s	uh if only someone could post that
4990s	statement regarding ct multiplayer
4992s	testing on the forums or something oh
4994s	you mean on the ct forums
4998s	about it being not finished yet
5006s	oh the statement i read out yeah i
5008s	should i should uh should probably post
5010s	that
5011s	uh-huh did you skim the jaws for i drop
5014s	there yeah i did i uh
5016s	i got the pelt
5017s	dragon the back rubbed its brains all
5019s	over the inside
5020s	say 10 hides
5022s	i did not do that by the way
5025s	i would uh struggle with every second of
5028s	that horribly
5034s	i don't know i'm doing this drop it on
5036s	the ground
5044s	let's go
5046s	88
5047s	that's going to be tough
5049s	i'm going to die
5052s	let's go
5054s	oh you know what i've got some fun
5056s	little stuff to share
5064s	oh that's
5066s	image is like eight times the size of
5067s	the previous one that was there
5072s	let's do it big
5074s	why not
5076s	come on
5080s	all right
5086s	there we go here's a new uh unique item
5090s	model that's just recently finished
5103s	marx 360 says i bought last epoch few
5105s	months ago but started to play lately i
5107s	admire the job you're doing with the
5108s	game i hope everything will go just fine
5110s	before release me too thanks bud
5114s	frozen over 30 i was right yes wow
5117s	current talents would be actually a good
5118s	leveling example okay cool
5120s	i i haven't uh paid much attention to
5123s	the current system that wow uses i know
5125s	it's changed a lot recently
5127s	i assume it's gotten better
5129s	uh are there any environmental hazards
5131s	like the aether firing groom dawn in the
5133s	game currently yes you actually just saw
5135s	me playing with some
5136s	um
5137s	i know that this question's lying so it
5139s	wasn't there when i was doing it
5140s	probably outside the obvious telegraph
5141s	ones during the boss fights might have
5143s	missed that one
5145s	um
5147s	yeah there's there's environmental
5148s	hazards um
5150s	the like when you're in the sulfide
5152s	bastion the ground has grates where it
5154s	like shoots fire up at you and it's like
5156s	how you tutorialize using the
5159s	um the d ability the extra ability you
5161s	get from the
5162s	dungeon because you have to switch in
5163s	order to get through that safety because
5165s	there's so much fire hazard
5168s	uh is the goal for party power scaling
5172s	to be linear or non-linear
5175s	uh i.e group of four does roughly four
5176s	times as much damage to a of a single
5179s	player or is it more like a group of
5180s	fours doing six to seven or even eight
5182s	times as much damage of a single player
5184s	two just energies
5185s	oh
5186s	i don't have a good answer for you
5188s	everest i'm sorry um
5191s	i i would suggest that
5194s	i'm gonna
5195s	please don't quote me on this even
5196s	though i know you will that's okay um
5199s	not you specifically just anyone and um
5203s	what i what i think it will be is a
5206s	party playing together
5209s	um that's like
5211s	you you've designed your party to work
5214s	well together
5215s	um
5216s	you're probably in voice communication
5217s	with each other to like
5219s	to to coordinate properly
5221s	um
5222s	you're like you're you're really trying
5225s	to optimize yourself as a as a party
5227s	together
5228s	um you'll you'll probably be
5232s	um
5234s	i would say non-linear
5236s	i think i think non-linear is what
5238s	you'll end up with the more people in
5239s	your party the harder it is to
5240s	coordinate everyone together
5242s	um
5243s	but if you're able to coordinate
5244s	everyone together really well you'll
5246s	probably start to see
5247s	slightly more than linear
5249s	improvements
5253s	so i don't think it'll be i think eight
5255s	times would be
5256s	very excessive and i think we would
5259s	start to see um
5261s	design changes happening to rectify the
5264s	situation at eight times
5265s	um
5267s	and i'm i'm very much speculating still
5270s	here so i um
5273s	these numbers could be wildly off but i
5275s	i have a feeling that eight times would
5277s	be uh like oh we gotta fix this type
5279s	number um
5283s	i know four is the baseline there so
5285s	um
5290s	yeah i i don't i don't know exactly what
5292s	it would be i would expect non-linear
5295s	um
5296s	but a real soft non-linear
5300s	you know
5320s	i think if you i think if you grab
5323s	yeah okay here's the other half that i
5324s	think that if you just if you're just
5325s	like
5326s	um
5328s	four people doing their own thing
5330s	completely ignoring everyone else just
5333s	rolling
5335s	um
5336s	you you'd get into uh
5338s	like a negative multiplier so instead of
5339s	being four times one person's damage
5341s	which would be the baseline
5343s	um it would be like i don't know three
5346s	times so it's like it's you're like
5348s	slightly worse because it's harder in
5350s	multiplayer because you're just like com
5352s	like
5353s	possibly actively working against each
5355s	other like maybe one person has
5357s	something that's like
5358s	uh it like consumes ignites off the
5361s	target and one person is like does more
5362s	damage based on the number of ignites on
5364s	the target and so one person's just like
5366s	actively
5367s	nerfing another person you know like
5369s	just incidentally and i think if if no
5372s	one was trying to coordinate at all that
5374s	would happen every once in a while
5377s	um so you'd get that sort of um
5380s	negative scaling
5381s	i think it's the wrong word i don't know
5383s	the best way to describe it
5394s	i hope that makes sense
5396s	i believe the d2 solution of giving your
5398s	party only part of the stats holy aura
5401s	was a good solution uh of personal
5403s	investment versus synergy yeah that's
5405s	that's a pretty straightforward one and
5406s	you can tweak party combos separately
5409s	uh hey mike any plans on adding random
5411s	events or quests inside monoliths or
5413s	stuff like loot goblins
5415s	oh yeah
5418s	oh yeah
5419s	um
5422s	can i give you details of what those
5423s	look like and when they're gonna be
5424s	there and how they're gonna work no
5428s	um
5432s	uh do i think it's the biggest thing
5433s	missing in monoliths right now oh yeah
5436s	do i think it's more important than
5438s	randomized level generation
5440s	oh
5441s	yeah um
5449s	do we have specific detailed plans on
5451s	how it's gonna work
5463s	but yes something some sort of system
5466s	where
5467s	um
5468s	and
5469s	technically we kind of already have this
5473s	um
5474s	but i can understand why it might not
5476s	seem like it
5477s	uh
5480s	shrines
5482s	are technically that
5483s	uh you get
5489s	oh my god
5495s	i'm sorry
5499s	i've been playing through a lightness
5500s	arbor with the screen covered
5504s	my bad
5506s	uh where are we here
5508s	it just goes to show doesn't really
5509s	matter what i'm doing on stream
5511s	it's more about the talking
5520s	uh
5521s	what was i talking about
5523s	random events super important oh yeah
5526s	let's get some random events
5529s	uh
5531s	shrines being kind of like the base
5533s	version of that yeah there's they're
5534s	kind of like the base version that's
5536s	like the super most basic version of
5538s	that possible it doesn't really count
5541s	um
5543s	but it's kind of close enough that it's
5545s	similar-ish
5548s	yeah reasons to explore inside monoliths
5550s	is really important and it's something
5551s	we're missing big time
5556s	it's not that's but that's the most
5558s	lukewarm take of all time
5568s	sorry about the
5570s	noob streamer mob in there
5573s	it's pretty cool all right
5578s	about aura stacking uh how about makeup
5580s	cool of shorts
5582s	a pool of shorts
5584s	where every party member in close
5586s	vicinity to each other contributes
5586s	available
5607s	and it's a little too synergistic
5610s	like a group of
5612s	um
5614s	a group of four paladins is incredibly
5616s	good
5618s	even just two paladins you can get most
5619s	of the tree with two paladins
5637s	oh
5653s	i mean that might be a good example of
5654s	like
5655s	when you're working together nicely and
5657s	synergizing properly to like
5660s	um
5663s	it'll it'll have a have a bonusing
5664s	effect but if you're not it won't so
5666s	like
5667s	um
5672s	if you've got like your
5674s	you think of the total number of skills
5675s	you have access to in a group play
5677s	situation um and the assuming that each
5680s	one gives a roughly equivalent amount of
5682s	power which i know it doesn't um
5687s	but just to simplify the situation a
5689s	little bit and if you're using two of
5690s	those skills on holy aura instead of
5693s	just being efficient to try and get
5694s	everything to satisfy what everyone
5696s	needs in the party instead of
5698s	having just one holy aura to and having
5701s	everyone in the party be able to take
5703s	advantage of the same nodes in holy aura
5705s	um you're you're using up an extra skill
5708s	slot as like a party skill slot reducing
5711s	the overall efficiency
5720s	wow
5741s	where are we going
5746s	let's get another question here
5752s	all right
5753s	killerher12345 asks hey mike hope all is
5755s	well thanks it is great uh just a
5758s	question any point why
5760s	there are forges across the map when we
5761s	can simply press f to open the crafting
5763s	menu yeah absolutely great question um
5765s	the forges are there specifically to
5767s	help tutorialize the forges exist um
5771s	so we
5773s	there's
5774s	there's uh early on we we got a lot of
5776s	feedback that like
5778s	um i had no idea that i could open the
5780s	forge that there was a force there at
5782s	all so like we have quests now that let
5784s	you use the forge
5785s	um
5786s	we have tutorial pop-ups to talk about
5788s	the forge um
5791s	and and it's just another way to be like
5793s	to have someone
5794s	uh
5795s	just who maybe hasn't noticed this
5798s	and ignored the quests and just hasn't
5800s	done anything with it and they have they
5802s	happen to just like click on one it's
5805s	just another way to get people into the
5806s	system uh to help introduce it as all
5816s	we did toy around a little while earlier
5818s	early on we toyed around with ideas
5820s	about having crafting being better in
5823s	town at these forges or having certain
5825s	crafting options available like for
5827s	example uh something we considered at
5829s	one point was having um
5832s	like you can you can shatter items at
5834s	forges for gold for a cheap gold cost
5837s	but it's less effective so you like um
5840s	you take a bunch of items that you're
5841s	like i want some stuff out of these but
5843s	they're not like super great shatter
5844s	targets because i'm low on shattering
5846s	stones i'm just gonna like
5847s	shatter a whole bunch of these back to
5848s	back to back with uh with cash instead
5851s	and see how that goes
5860s	oh do you think that the game at the
5863s	state is at this state is too easy when
5866s	you know what you're doing with the
5867s	build
5868s	um
5870s	yeah i think there are
5872s	there are points that become too easy
5875s	yes
5877s	um
5878s	and i think that it's really easy to get
5881s	into a state where
5883s	um
5884s	you're you're you're really good at
5886s	certain parts of it and it's caused um
5892s	it's it's oh i'm contacting that it's
5893s	i'm talking that either it's caused oh
5897s	i knew it was there i knew it was coming
5899s	i went to get out of the way
5901s	oh
5905s	oh mike
5907s	i got talking
5909s	came quicker than i expected making
5911s	excuses now want to try your luck no
5914s	i failed horribly at my luck
5918s	it's okay
5922s	exactly what happened last time i went
5923s	in there
5925s	i could have got out of it and i just uh
5929s	i i just i just failed
5932s	let's go do a temporal sanctum
5935s	i don't have any good legendaries to
5936s	make we'll make something
5941s	and as always no not as always but we
5943s	gotta death so i'll slap a little
5946s	slap a little some summon up on the
5947s	screen this one's not covering
5950s	half my screen so i can leave it up
5952s	there ha ha
5954s	learning from your mistakes
5958s	level 95 ooh that's uh
5961s	should we try it well are we even 84.
5974s	whatever let's give it a shot see what
5975s	happens i'm probably not gonna be able
5976s	to do this
5977s	but you know having some fun with it
5979s	right
5981s	uh too easy question was was i was
5983s	trying to answer in the middle of
5984s	answering a question about the game
5985s	being too easy if you like know what
5986s	you're doing so yeah i think there are
5988s	um
5991s	there's some key points along the way
5994s	to getting to the really hard content
5996s	um
5997s	that i think it is too easy
6000s	for a lot of experienced players and i
6002s	think this um
6003s	possibly
6005s	loops into the
6007s	um
6011s	there's a few things that this connects
6013s	with
6013s	uh but i would say
6018s	a waste of time
6022s	we we need more ways to be able to
6025s	um
6028s	i guess customize the play experience as
6030s	you're going
6032s	as you're leveling as you're as you're
6034s	getting into early monoliths
6037s	more ways to be able to
6039s	um
6041s	like
6042s	take risks
6044s	making it harder
6048s	for for either speed speed up rewards or
6052s	um
6054s	power rewards or you know like
6060s	there's a lot
6062s	uh
6067s	let's go this way
6079s	hello
6081s	tattered journal
6083s	just so like that that like um
6087s	getting getting to like speak to you i
6088s	think will be really really good
6092s	getting giving stuff like that voice
6094s	acted i think will be a big step forward
6103s	all right at least there aren't bills
6104s	that actually work against each other
6106s	thinking it builds a poe needing
6107s	different curses or increasing
6109s	uh decreasing certain resistances yeah i
6112s	see what you're saying and we like
6114s	there's some stuff kind of like that a
6116s	little bit but it's pretty few and far
6118s	between with us and i'm sure as we get
6120s	more mechanics uh
6122s	working together as we get more systems
6124s	built on top of each other you'll start
6125s	to see more and more things like that
6130s	i think
6142s	asks are you guys ever afraid to over
6145s	balance
6146s	ah
6150s	i don't think so um but maybe like the
6153s	web devs aim for one percent balance
6154s	between all classes which they which
6156s	they never meet uh so it creates a bad
6158s	feeling between top end and lower end
6160s	and cause a rift between community
6162s	gameplay goals and developer balance
6163s	goals um
6169s	over balance
6172s	um
6179s	bounce is a huge topic that i love i i'm
6182s	debating if i want to go into a diatribe
6183s	or not if i want to just
6185s	uh do a short answer or ramble so to
6187s	speak um i think that there's really
6191s	positive things in having imbalance in
6194s	certain situations
6196s	how is this possible
6199s	only i should be able to command time
6201s	here
6203s	um
6205s	and you might you might wonder
6206s	like
6209s	how why
6210s	um and
6213s	uh
6216s	i i don't know time 15 minutes i don't
6218s	have time to talk about this in depth
6220s	enough to like do this topic justice
6221s	really um
6224s	i think that there is
6226s	it's really important to have
6229s	uh the game be fun which i know is a
6231s	kind of a nothing statement and obvious
6232s	but i think that
6234s	um
6235s	forcing everything to be exactly as
6238s	powerful as everything else can
6240s	sometimes mean that nothing feels
6241s	powerful
6242s	um
6244s	where does where does the feeling of
6245s	power come from usually it's from
6247s	improvements or
6249s	uh differences from other things so um
6252s	you're like i shoot fireball at the
6254s	darkness and it does 10 damage and then
6257s	i level up and when i shoot fireball in
6258s	the darkness next time it does 20 damage
6262s	um
6266s	and i i know i know i know this isn't a
6267s	balance point but it's what i'm going to
6269s	it's just that that increase that change
6271s	from the first thing to the second thing
6273s	is
6274s	what makes it feel like you've increased
6276s	in power
6278s	um
6280s	and that's like the most basic example
6283s	of what this is really but
6285s	having
6286s	um
6287s	two builds that um
6290s	perform identically
6292s	and you go from one to the other
6295s	the only thing that's really changing is
6296s	how they feel to play
6298s	so you end up with this system of if
6301s	everything was absolutely perfectly
6302s	balanced you end up with a system of
6304s	well everything's
6305s	either everything's powerful because
6307s	everything is the same power level or
6309s	just nothing's powerful because there's
6310s	no way to get any increase by changing
6315s	um
6318s	so there's there needs to be imbalances
6319s	from build to build
6321s	um
6323s	now the
6324s	the wow stuff is is i think
6327s	more talking about class to
6329s	class um and there's i think less builds
6333s	per class
6335s	in uh in wow than there are in less
6337s	epoch
6338s	and a lot of that has to do with the
6339s	style of game than it is like um
6343s	a holy priest in wow only really has
6347s	a couple builds at most like this
6349s	there's probably it's probably one like
6351s	holy priest build that everyone runs and
6353s	i sorry if i'm just like wrong about
6355s	that
6357s	um but i i likely think that's it's i'm
6360s	not far off like maybe there's two
6362s	there's three
6363s	um
6365s	there's a dozen great spellblade builds
6368s	out there
6369s	yeah some of them are probably stronger
6371s	than others okay here we go we're gonna
6372s	we're gonna try this
6376s	oh no rocky
6379s	[Laughter]
6385s	okay okay i'm back i'm alive i'm here
6387s	paying attention i know which way is up
6388s	i know what day it is
6391s	the answer to those questions in order
6392s	are 13 red and
6394s	celsius
6396s	um
6405s	i don't even i don't even know it's
6406s	what's happening what day is it um
6410s	balance
6411s	so we do try and aim for rough balance
6414s	between classes
6416s	um where where there where there's like
6419s	okay you're playing uh you're playing a
6421s	beastmaster
6422s	great
6424s	you can still handle end content uh
6426s	you're playing a sorcerer great you can
6429s	still handle in-game content i think
6431s	it's more about having
6432s	like
6434s	um having classes be viable than having
6436s	them be perfectly balanced
6438s	against each other
6443s	and and then there's there's a whole
6445s	question about how do you to define
6447s	viability
6448s	um
6451s	i
6452s	it goes that goes on for
6454s	a long time
6457s	um
6475s	oh come on
6478s	we're just going
6484s	i was i tried to time shift but the
6486s	fight ended and i thought i'd press the
6488s	wrong key
6489s	but the fight she was just dead
6493s	i was so low health there that was close
6497s	okay get the heart pumping
6503s	we did it i'm proud of myself on that
6505s	one
6508s	where are we going to
6510s	uh
6512s	quite i hope that answers your question
6514s	good enough
6515s	i was kind of in the middle of uh boss
6517s	fight
6520s	uh what power level do you uh do people
6522s	expect fully optimized parties to
6523s	achieve so something like three supports
6525s	one carry build
6527s	i i
6529s	do not think three supports one carry
6531s	builds will be very frequent
6534s	for pushing top end content
6536s	um
6538s	someone might super duper prove me wrong
6540s	on that one i think that won't be the
6543s	norm
6544s	i think the norm will be more like
6546s	um
6547s	most people will just run solo solo
6550s	characters that play nice in a party
6552s	um
6554s	and then you'll get a few supports here
6556s	and there sprinkled in it's what i think
6558s	will happen naturally i could be super
6560s	wrong about that
6561s	um
6562s	but we'll see
6565s	don't forget to drink lots of water
6567s	[Music]
6573s	oh
6575s	this is the ice cream cone unique
6580s	what
6584s	we don't have one someone trying to get
6586s	one
6589s	do we have any
6593s	silly legendaries that we can make
6596s	welcome flash
6598s	a bone harvester
6601s	okay what is the
6604s	um
6607s	the builds
6610s	bow do i need for bowmage
6612s	do i have anything that i can make for
6614s	my bowmage next week right
6616s	now um
6626s	where's
6631s	oh what other ones right here winter and
6633s	morning frost
6636s	where is it this one
6640s	really
6648s	where's the word winter in this is it in
6650s	the like
6656s	yep it's in the
6658s	the
6659s	lore text
6661s	that's funny
6671s	i do have a morning frost oh no i'll
6674s	help you though
6676s	okay
6677s	uh nevermind
6680s	put that back
6682s	uh let's just
6685s	we're gonna make a bone harvester let's
6687s	make it let's make a fun bone harvester
6688s	why not right
6690s	or a battle mage right okay
6693s	there's a good exalter for these
6701s	yeah we're doing that
6703s	that'll work right
6714s	same base type right mike
6717s	uh
6718s	i definitely was not the one to program
6721s	that to work that way that was
6723s	definitely not me that spent hours
6726s	on this to make this work
6729s	it was gonna go for it let's just see
6730s	what happens
6732s	i know it's a waste i don't care i'm
6733s	sorry
6737s	cool
6742s	sounds fun with it you know
6745s	let's go back to our
6747s	monolith
6749s	[Music]
6757s	um
6761s	are you planning to transfer power more
6762s	towards items yes i think the more you
6764s	invest your character
6766s	uh grind for more and powerful the more
6767s	powerful you get yeah
6769s	are you intending for party play to be
6771s	on par with or ahead of solo players in
6774s	terms of corruption pushing i hope it's
6776s	pretty similar i hope people are um
6780s	adverse again yeah that's the
6782s	that was the right word llama thank you
6783s	um i i think i think if party play
6787s	um and solo play is roughly similar that
6789s	would be ideal
6791s	um
6793s	a lot of a lot of it's gonna have to be
6795s	based on feedback of like what people
6796s	want to see what people are seeing what
6798s	people are finding fun
6801s	um but i know i know people either
6803s	really hate playing in parties or really
6805s	love playing parties it's usu it's
6806s	usually a pretty strong opinion one way
6808s	or the other
6810s	um
6810s	and and making that be fun for both
6813s	sides of that coin is really important
6814s	to us um
6816s	so keeping it similar is is ideal
6820s	they will
6820s	i i'm pretty sure we'll have split
6823s	ladders for multiplayer and single
6825s	player i hope so
6827s	still not 100 set on exactly what's
6829s	gonna happen yet but um
6834s	i think it's a lot easier to to um
6837s	make
6839s	uh if if there's a
6841s	uh some sort of disparity there between
6844s	how
6845s	high corruption is pushing in parties
6847s	versus solar play
6848s	i think it's much easier to justify that
6849s	disparity if there is two different
6851s	ladders
6853s	because if it's just a system where
6854s	you're like well you want to be on the
6855s	ladder you got to play in a party or you
6857s	want to be in the ladder you got to play
6858s	solo
6859s	um
6860s	that doesn't feel great
6864s	oh we're just gonna switch to another
6865s	item for the rest of the stream out
6868s	there on the side
6870s	[Music]
6873s	i don't remember any cases where you
6874s	could work against each other outside of
6876s	having three builds use shadow daggers
6878s	and one person with the weakest damage
6879s	always activates it there's another
6881s	example i think the example of of
6883s	consuming
6885s	uh like you can consume bleeds on a
6886s	target and
6888s	um
6889s	uh raptors can have they get bonus
6892s	damage per bleed on a target so if
6893s	you're if you're consuming the bleeds
6895s	your raptor's damage goes down um
6898s	so one person could be doing one of
6900s	those and one person could be doing the
6901s	other
6911s	uh
6913s	hello guys hello how are you
6916s	uh i don't know if i'll be able to
6918s	explain myself
6920s	i believe in you
6921s	um
6922s	but what do you think about the current
6924s	way power is disputed by the normal
6926s	magic items
6927s	normal magic and rare items so i think
6929s	getting a rare item in this case should
6931s	mean an improvement in some way but
6932s	right now because they are based around
6934s	the number of affixes in a lot of cases
6936s	i don't feel like
6937s	it's really an improvement getting a
6939s	rare over a magic item for example um
6943s	i the general feedback we get is the
6945s	exact opposite of this actually
6947s	especially in the sense that magic items
6949s	or rare items come with more forging
6951s	potential than magic items um
6954s	so yes it's possible to get a
6957s	it's less likely
6961s	item drops
6962s	it's less likely on that magic item that
6964s	there's that there's an affix you don't
6966s	need
6967s	so it's looks like there's like a wasted
6968s	affix slot
6970s	however
6971s	um with a mat with a rare item um
6975s	there's
6976s	like if you find the right rare item
6979s	um
6979s	it's going to be better because it's
6980s	just the exact same thing as a magic
6982s	item with an extra affix and more
6983s	fortune potential on it so you can
6984s	increase the levels of the as even more
6990s	so on average
6992s	uh
6993s	the right magic item versus the right
6995s	rare item the right rare item is better
7005s	uh continuing the skill set for aura
7008s	stacking idea uh the most problematic
7010s	skills like the aforementioned holy aura
7012s	can could only be applied to their
7014s	owners whereas the parts which could be
7016s	benefit the party could go to the pool i
7018s	mentioned yeah that's another thing
7019s	we've discussed too
7022s	any thoughts on multi-spec especially as
7024s	it may be handy for group play versus
7026s	solo i i see what you're saying um
7029s	really unlikely to have it it's not
7032s	impossible like i
7034s	um
7035s	don't like to rule things out but
7038s	probably not
7040s	uh you could always just average all
7042s	stats from stacking or as for example 10
7043s	strength five strength two two hours
7045s	come seven seven five strength yeah
7047s	there's um
7050s	doing it efficiently is really important
7053s	um
7056s	and and the
7057s	the math operation of average two
7059s	numbers is not bad
7061s	um
7062s	but given that that operation is
7064s	happening
7065s	uh very frequently over a large set of
7070s	people because so it can't happen on the
7072s	auras themselves it has to happen on the
7075s	um
7076s	when it's like triggered onto each
7078s	player it has to happen because um
7081s	you won't know like the
7083s	like so the first order that goes out
7085s	doesn't know that there's another aura
7087s	out there in the world existing um
7090s	and unless you're standing at exactly
7092s	the same point which is impossible uh
7095s	you'd be affecting potentially different
7097s	targets so some things would get
7098s	affected by both and other things
7099s	wouldn't so the calculations for each
7102s	split has to happen on each
7104s	um
7107s	each character
7109s	in order to have responsive on
7113s	joining and exiting the auras radius
7116s	um
7117s	it is
7119s	it it's it's it's actually triggered
7121s	pretty frequently
7122s	holy aura is
7124s	constantly casting abilities
7129s	like
7132s	constantly
7146s	are you preparing for bot issues in
7149s	multiple release yeah
7157s	one way to prepare for body shoes is
7159s	there's a sticker price on the game
7168s	it's kind of an incidental oh i forgot
7170s	that makes a noise when i plug that in
7171s	sorry it's kind of an incidental effect
7173s	of having a sticker price
7175s	definitely wasn't the reason
7180s	uh in regards to my previous question
7183s	about random events monoliths yes good
7185s	question i was thinking how cool it
7187s	would be to have rifts like the campaign
7189s	in monoliths yeah this is not the first
7191s	time i've seen this is this is not the
7193s	80th time i've seen this suggestion so
7194s	yeah
7196s	um like in the campaign monolith to add
7198s	an additional modifier and can increase
7199s	stability even further or have like a
7201s	random thing in the monolith that we
7202s	click on that spawns boss like an
7204s	illusion of orbus or tries to kill us if
7206s	we survive and drop something cool um
7208s	could something like this end up in the
7210s	game something like that could end up in
7211s	the game
7213s	i think i saw
7214s	uh perry the pig suggested something
7217s	like that on
7219s	it was pretty big if someone else i'm
7221s	sorry i thought i thought it was him on
7224s	uh
7226s	a forum post recently
7230s	i think
7233s	uh i saw a discord post by someone else
7236s	um who i didn't recognize the name about
7238s	a month ago i think it's just something
7239s	like this
7241s	uh i think there's someone on stream a
7242s	couple weeks ago and said something like
7243s	this like yeah this this gets suggested
7245s	a fair bit i think it's on point i think
7246s	it's on theme i think there's um
7250s	like
7250s	it it ties into other systems in the
7252s	game so we've tutorialized it already
7254s	which makes sense it hits theming stuff
7256s	with time travel
7257s	um
7259s	it's it's great
7261s	oh i've hit
7264s	did i catch up i caught up
7266s	and it's 301.
7269s	that's what i'm talking about
7270s	all right we are right at the end of
7272s	stream
7275s	thank you all for coming i appreciate
7276s	every one of you
7278s	i hope you had fun i know i did we'll
7280s	see you next time
7284s	thank you for coming by thanks for
7285s	stopping out
7289s	those two sentences but half of them
7291s	with each
7292s	[Laughter]
7295s	if you have any more questions that i
7296s	didn't get to i apologize please head on
7299s	over to our discord our reddit our
7300s	forums
7301s	our in-game chat our
7305s	other channels except smoke signals but
7307s	you got to be really close to me so good
7309s	luck with that one

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