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| 1s | good afternoon everybody welcome back to |
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| 4s | the last epoch devstream |
| 7s | i am your host mike |
| 9s | and we are sharpening our knives because |
| 12s | we're cutting it real |
| 15s | fine hey there ashley zora welcome to |
| 18s | the stream |
| 20s | usually i've got that turned off earlier |
| 22s | we're feeling good |
| 24s | lizard welcome with your rating party |
| 26s | come on down |
| 27s | hang out |
| 29s | pull up a seat by the fire glad to have |
| 32s | you |
| 36s | a wild mike appeared |
| 41s | absent his |
| 43s | usual yellow and black striped pattern |
| 46s | mike has arrived on stream |
| 53s | we he we see him survey his prayer yeah |
| 55s | i can |
| 57s | see douglas if i have to be costume |
| 59s | every time it's not special anymore but |
| 62s | thank you very much for the 10 monthly |
| 63s | sub that is amazing uh glad to have you |
| 66s | with us |
| 66s | as always we've got our first character |
| 69s | in |
| 70s | empowered timelines on stream i think |
| 73s | that's pretty cool |
| 76s | we're starting to struggle a little bit |
| 78s | for damage i think but we'll uh |
| 80s | we'll get things sorted out i'd like to |
| 83s | uh |
| 84s | refine the loot filter a little bit |
| 86s | and uh |
| 88s | you know |
| 90s | see if we can see if we can find some |
| 91s | cool fun stuff to play with you know |
| 95s | as always our all the money that comes |
| 98s | in from streams all that goes directly |
| 100s | to charity |
| 101s | this month our charity is saint jude's |
| 103s | children's research hospital |
| 105s | all month long um |
| 107s | [Music] |
| 108s | we have |
| 110s | the subs |
| 111s | those |
| 112s | funny sounds bits donations all it goes |
| 114s | straight there um |
| 117s | yeah if you have any questions please |
| 118s | feel free to ask that's what i'm here |
| 119s | for just put at last epoch game in the |
| 122s | question and i will see a lot easier |
| 126s | and that's what happens see i really |
| 128s | need to do this i need a keyboard for |
| 129s | playing and a keyboard for |
| 131s | programming i think so i can have the |
| 133s | like |
| 134s | raised keys because i i put i have i |
| 137s | have different keycaps for |
| 139s | qwer that i can put on my keyboard |
| 141s | and i put them on as an experiment this |
| 143s | week and it sucks to type with still i |
| 145s | couldn't do it |
| 147s | i don't know what it was about it but it |
| 148s | just sparked me |
| 164s | uh if you haven't seen yet we have |
| 166s | announced the full final version of the |
| 168s | community designed |
| 170s | unique item which is pretty cool that we |
| 172s | got that |
| 173s | um |
| 175s | i'm i'm pretty pumped on on that being |
| 177s | finished it's uh |
| 179s | the the void volcanic orb the vfx looks |
| 183s | so cool |
| 184s | i actually hadn't seen it yet until the |
| 186s | until the reveal today |
| 188s | um just been head head down working on |
| 191s | uh |
| 192s | some multiplayer stuff lately and |
| 194s | i thought it looked really cool |
| 196s | if you haven't seen it yet the i should |
| 197s | bring it up actually i should bring it |
| 199s | up on stream like that the the orb tails |
| 201s | the shrapnel pieces they like they |
| 204s | squiggle looks really cool |
| 206s | dario thank you much 13.3 sub there we |
| 209s | go |
| 210s | another person over here it's really |
| 212s | cool to see |
| 214s | i really dislike the number eight six |
| 216s | nine o is much better right i agree |
| 218s | wholeheartedly i think it's way better |
| 220s | number |
| 223s | i mean really anyone who releases a game |
| 225s | with a version number eight six |
| 228s | especially in that order it's just ugh |
| 230s | right |
| 232s | it's like |
| 233s | so 2005. |
| 247s | you can't make yourself self-laugh who |
| 248s | can you make laugh |
| 251s | if you can't laugh at yourself who can |
| 252s | you laugh at i know |
| 263s | you've been saving exalted spears for it |
| 265s | yeah good stuff |
| 273s | you'll be saving them for a while i |
| 275s | think |
| 276s | unfortunately warlock when when it's |
| 278s | ready |
| 281s | are you the maker of this game i am one |
| 282s | of the people that works on this game |
| 283s | there's a lot of us now um a lot of |
| 285s | people work very hard i am |
| 288s | i've been here not quite since the very |
| 290s | beginning but for a very long time um |
| 296s | was it i didn't cover the exactly i |
| 298s | could pull up the exact date but uh |
| 302s | i'm i'm one of the first few people |
| 307s | and uh yeah i'm a senior developer in |
| 308s | the game so i spend most of my time with |
| 310s | my head buried in in code |
| 316s | i do a lot of design stuff too it's a |
| 317s | ton of fun |
| 321s | so you guys are reborn if you |
| 323s | is is this live now i'm not sure how new |
| 325s | it is yeah this is this is live right |
| 327s | now what i'm the the um |
| 330s | like i am live talking to you right now |
| 332s | and the uh the version that i'm playing |
| 333s | you see the top left corner says |
| 335s | beta085f which is our current build |
| 338s | version um so this is exactly i'm |
| 340s | playing the exact same version of the |
| 342s | game that is available |
| 343s | uh on steam right now |
| 348s | so nothing that i'm playing is is new |
| 351s | but i've got some i usually come to |
| 354s | to to the party with with a few little |
| 356s | little teasers little spoilers little |
| 358s | extra info |
| 363s | okay i've got a couple things today too |
| 364s | nothing nothing groundbreaking nothing |
| 366s | monumentous but some fun stuff |
| 372s | if um if you do have any questions |
| 375s | and just anyone in general put last at |
| 376s | last epoch game in the question i'll be |
| 378s | happy to answer it but i can keep going |
| 380s | these is it difficult to kill this game |
| 381s | yeah there's lots of really difficult |
| 382s | things about it um i i think that's true |
| 385s | for a pretty well any game um |
| 389s | there's always things that crop up that |
| 390s | you don't expect when you start and |
| 392s | there's um |
| 393s | you know pesky bugs and edge cases that |
| 396s | that you wouldn't expect to be an issue |
| 398s | but they are and |
| 402s | you have to work out how to fix them |
| 404s | always tough stuff how much is the game |
| 407s | uh it depends on your region |
| 409s | i want to say in the states at 35 usd |
| 416s | should be able to link it should be a |
| 417s | link in the description probably |
| 419s | actually steam link |
| 425s | devs don't only play their games as a |
| 427s | refreshing yeah i mean we we've been |
| 429s | doing this for quite a while now we've |
| 430s | done this for a little over a year um |
| 432s | we actually briefly streamed |
| 435s | uh like actual development like i would |
| 437s | bring up the code and work live |
| 439s | um |
| 440s | which |
| 441s | in hindsight was a mistake that was my |
| 443s | bad um |
| 445s | but that was cool too |
| 447s | uh we like to |
| 448s | i do this weekly two hours a week you |
| 451s | know hang out answer questions get |
| 452s | involved |
| 454s | did i go to university learn how to code |
| 455s | games i not i didn't go specifically to |
| 458s | learn how to code games |
| 460s | um but i do a bachelor of computer |
| 462s | science from a university in |
| 465s | canada |
| 467s | where i live and |
| 469s | um |
| 470s | so like |
| 472s | i learned i went to university to learn |
| 473s | how to just code in general |
| 479s | and i have applied that to making games |
| 482s | because really that's the most fun type |
| 484s | of coding isn't it |
| 486s | for me anyways |
| 491s | uh any chance we'll see don't get to put |
| 493s | out last epoch game in the question if |
| 495s | uh you want me to see it i see another |
| 496s | question here though uh to any chance we |
| 499s | will see nodes like the old ware bears |
| 502s | staff spell damage to quick chance plus |
| 504s | melee damage i imagine i think it was uh |
| 507s | was that uh i was like the node behind |
| 509s | wisdom claws or weisen claws everyone |
| 511s | pronounce it |
| 512s | um |
| 515s | i imagine they could eat up a lot of |
| 516s | design space but i loved the way it |
| 518s | turned awkward afix combos into |
| 520s | something great like melee crit plus |
| 521s | spell chance |
| 523s | um it's always possible that we see |
| 525s | things like that i i agree with you it |
| 527s | was a lot of fun let's open the |
| 529s | window here while i'm getting attacked |
| 531s | knocking over the window nevermind |
| 533s | uh let's open the door |
| 535s | glare |
| 538s | um |
| 539s | yeah |
| 540s | i also really like those nodes |
| 544s | there's a little problems with it um |
| 548s | we've been we've been making some |
| 549s | changes that uh i think will help with |
| 551s | with more interesting nodes like that in |
| 553s | general not specifically exactly the |
| 555s | same but |
| 560s | let's see |
| 561s | how are the bear and saber tooth work |
| 564s | coming along the concept that looks |
| 565s | great uh i i'm not sure if they're into |
| 568s | uh |
| 568s | modeling and animations yet |
| 572s | but uh |
| 574s | probably |
| 575s | probably pretty good |
| 580s | my goal is to have that stuff ready for |
| 582s | next patch but i'm not sure if it'll be |
| 584s | or not |
| 595s | you never really know until it's done |
| 596s | right |
| 603s | uh uh |
| 605s | [Music] |
| 609s | oh i'm answering that's about how far we |
| 611s | are okay yeah |
| 612s | you guys are up to date on the bear and |
| 614s | saber dude stuff |
| 625s | how much actual coding syntax and how |
| 627s | much is using framework tool for example |
| 630s | unreal engine for example yeah um so we |
| 633s | actually we use uh unity not unreal |
| 634s | engine which is but it's the same it's |
| 636s | extremely similar uh tools i would say |
| 639s | that i spend |
| 641s | and it really depends on the day |
| 644s | uh and what the task is to decide what |
| 646s | it is so like um |
| 648s | today i just started working on |
| 650s | uh the integrating |
| 652s | or actually splitting the character list |
| 655s | for online and offline characters that |
| 656s | you could switch between them quickly |
| 658s | and easily in in our |
| 659s | character select screen to start |
| 663s | um |
| 664s | and so the the like first stage of that |
| 666s | is |
| 667s | mostly |
| 668s | in edit or using tools because they're |
| 671s | tools we've created |
| 673s | in the code previously so i can i can |
| 675s | take things we've used for |
| 677s | other tab systems and |
| 679s | um so it's a lot of like just drag and |
| 681s | drop plug and play stuff that because |
| 684s | uh because i built it specifically to |
| 686s | work with our |
| 687s | um |
| 689s | with our game and so i so in situations |
| 691s | that i knew and and cases use cases that |
| 694s | i knew we would need |
| 697s | um but then i'm gonna have to link that |
| 699s | into the |
| 701s | uh what like the list gets populated um |
| 704s | i would say it'll probably be about |
| 706s | probably 50 50 in the end of like using |
| 709s | editor stuff and code stuff for this |
| 710s | particular task |
| 712s | um |
| 714s | but in general i think i spend it's |
| 716s | probably closer to like 70 30 |
| 718s | um |
| 720s | code 70 code |
| 725s | but it really really depends on the task |
| 731s | some things are almost exclusively in |
| 732s | the editor |
| 740s | how did i get it oh um |
| 745s | uh hello mike are there plans for the |
| 747s | near future to get more skill reworks i |
| 748s | try to make it or decay work for example |
| 750s | and it feels so dated yeah i mean |
| 752s | there's |
| 753s | you can ask that question |
| 755s | until we're at the point of the game's |
| 756s | development cycle where we're like |
| 757s | looking to sunset the game in hopefully |
| 760s | over a decade from now |
| 762s | um |
| 764s | the answer to that question will be yes |
| 765s | [Laughter] |
| 767s | that's just the sort of thing that we |
| 768s | like to do frequently |
| 771s | updating old skills is a really |
| 772s | important part of keeping the game fresh |
| 775s | and fun |
| 776s | um it also is |
| 778s | less |
| 779s | uh time intensive less less person hours |
| 782s | less work hours associated with it than |
| 785s | creating something from scratch |
| 786s | generally speaking |
| 789s | um |
| 791s | and you can end up with actually better |
| 792s | wins for it because if it's if it's like |
| 795s | you're reworking an old skill |
| 797s | you can make it essentially be a new |
| 799s | skill uh |
| 801s | as far as people are concerned because |
| 803s | it's it's like you open up all sorts of |
| 805s | new |
| 806s | world of possibilities you know |
| 808s | and um |
| 811s | getting rid of something that is old and |
| 813s | crappy is almost more valuable than |
| 815s | adding something new |
| 817s | without you know reducing the total |
| 819s | number of things |
| 821s | so yes we really like doing reworks for |
| 823s | for older skills i think orb decay is |
| 826s | on the whole of what's out there |
| 829s | lower on the list um |
| 831s | there's a lot of skills i'm gonna do |
| 833s | first before that one |
| 836s | uh but yeah |
| 839s | i'm sure eventually it'll get a rework |
| 842s | these models are just so huge and they |
| 844s | don't like to fall over i find it |
| 846s | hilarious |
| 850s | all right |
| 852s | how did i get into games i mean okay so |
| 855s | the first video game i played |
| 858s | was |
| 859s | um |
| 861s | uh donkey kong |
| 863s | on a commodore 64. |
| 866s | um |
| 868s | which i think it's like |
| 870s | 64 |
| 872s | kilobytes was the total like hard drive |
| 876s | i think or maybe it was memory i don't |
| 877s | know it was |
| 879s | uh |
| 880s | 64 stood for exactly but uh it's a |
| 882s | really really brutally old computer |
| 885s | um |
| 887s | you know like big floppy disc i don't |
| 888s | think a drive flop just i'm talking like |
| 890s | floppy disc b drive floppy discs that |
| 892s | are like bendy |
| 894s | um |
| 898s | and you uh you know you play as mario |
| 899s | trying to jump up the mario jump man |
| 901s | mario |
| 905s | we had uh splunker |
| 908s | uh there was a racing game |
| 911s | um |
| 914s | breakouts i'm pretty sure the fishes |
| 916s | break out |
| 927s | but like first games that i really got |
| 929s | into were like |
| 930s | uh nes super mario um |
| 934s | you know zelda one duck hunt |
| 936s | the all the ones you would expect |
| 938s | someone to play |
| 940s | as a child growing up in the 90s |
| 949s | this is uh |
| 951s | they brought the heat here i'm gonna |
| 952s | have to be careful to survive |
| 960s | let's see the next question here |
| 962s | warlock when when it's ready |
| 965s | at or before launch |
| 971s | all right we just got something awesome |
| 973s | and i can't look at it right now thank |
| 974s | you very much whoever that was |
| 976s | i appreciate you |
| 983s | uh follow-up question what do you think |
| 985s | the most important useful thing you've |
| 986s | learned in university uh |
| 992s | oh |
| 993s | i i think just being comfortable |
| 995s | learning a reading code |
| 997s | that's sort of a weird thing to do but |
| 999s | like being able to |
| 1002s | where you like look at some random code |
| 1004s | and it's |
| 1007s | like the comprehension aspect of it |
| 1011s | because there's so little that i don't |
| 1013s | know |
| 1014s | so many courses that honestly i feel |
| 1016s | like i could have done without |
| 1018s | like half of the courses in a computer |
| 1020s | science program are math classes |
| 1023s | and like another quarter of them are |
| 1024s | math classes in disguise |
| 1038s | oh that's uh |
| 1039s | sorry that's kind of loud guys one sec |
| 1058s | um |
| 1059s | [Music] |
| 1064s | uh the most yeah mostly okay i probably |
| 1066s | answer that |
| 1069s | uh does coding games pay well like other |
| 1071s | id jobs i'm not going to talk about uh |
| 1074s | pay stuff sorry |
| 1076s | uh for me it was how to use google |
| 1078s | effectively and how to read |
| 1079s | documentation yeah that's that's |
| 1081s | probably a better answer |
| 1082s | [Laughter] |
| 1088s | yeah |
| 1090s | a lot of it's googling stuff |
| 1096s | how much html do you do none |
| 1100s | zero |
| 1103s | oh yeah king king afterwards some yeah |
| 1112s | [Music] |
| 1113s | which skills would you like to rework |
| 1115s | before or decay and why before decay um |
| 1118s | so i mean uh |
| 1120s | summon bear |
| 1122s | someone score or someone um sabertooth |
| 1125s | uh teleport |
| 1127s | um i'd like to i'd like to dig into snap |
| 1130s | freeze a little bit more |
| 1132s | um |
| 1133s | i got a whole list i should just go with |
| 1135s | the list |
| 1150s | one second i will tell you |
| 1153s | which ones i would like to rework first |
| 1166s | there's a lot of autocast uh changes |
| 1168s | that i'd like to see |
| 1170s | and those aren't really big reworks but |
| 1172s | um all the major autocad skills like uh |
| 1175s | ring of shields and |
| 1176s | uh sigils of hope um |
| 1179s | holy aura a lot of paladin skills |
| 1182s | um |
| 1186s | i'd like to dig into some bone golem |
| 1188s | summon a bear and someone saber tooth |
| 1191s | i think all three of those could use |
| 1192s | some changes in their trees along with |
| 1193s | the visuals which all the visuals are |
| 1195s | working on those you guys seen them all |
| 1197s | uh storm totem |
| 1199s | uh volatile reversal i think could use |
| 1201s | there's i i think volatile reversal |
| 1203s | could use some some really |
| 1205s | uh |
| 1206s | not dramatic changes but some like core |
| 1209s | functionality changes that i think would |
| 1210s | be really healthy for the skill overall |
| 1211s | make it a lot more interesting to play a |
| 1213s | lot more um |
| 1215s | a lot more welcoming to play |
| 1217s | right now it's kind of brutal even if |
| 1218s | you're like really good at it you still |
| 1220s | make mistakes |
| 1221s | yeah she thinks it's easy but she |
| 1223s | doesn't have to do it |
| 1224s | um |
| 1227s | tempest strike i'd like to to dig into a |
| 1229s | little bit more before that as well um |
| 1235s | i didn't actually find the list i was |
| 1236s | just looking at a list of skills that we |
| 1238s | had and i was pulling stuff off my head |
| 1249s | and why before orb decay um and why |
| 1251s | before decay just |
| 1253s | they're worse |
| 1255s | that's i don't know why i'm going down |
| 1256s | there they've they are |
| 1260s | in greater need of it i don't know how |
| 1262s | to quantify that |
| 1269s | uh like |
| 1271s | oh |
| 1272s | with with things like um |
| 1274s | bear someone bear i can quantify that |
| 1276s | because trees shouldn't have nodes on |
| 1278s | like we have a few a few pretty strict |
| 1280s | rules on certain certain things for |
| 1282s | trees so skill trees shouldn't have a |
| 1284s | node that has more than five points |
| 1286s | allocable to it uh i know bear and |
| 1288s | sabertooth both have nodes that can go |
| 1290s | over five |
| 1291s | um |
| 1292s | it's like right there that puts them in |
| 1293s | the front of the pack immediately |
| 1296s | um and then on top of that they just |
| 1298s | also have very few total points |
| 1299s | allocable to them um and very few total |
| 1302s | nodes so just like from a numbers |
| 1305s | perspective they're |
| 1307s | underdeveloped |
| 1308s | um and then from looking at what those |
| 1311s | nodes do |
| 1312s | a lot of them are kind of muddled |
| 1315s | at best that's the nicest way i can put |
| 1317s | it um |
| 1320s | like |
| 1322s | literal thorns appearing on the skin of |
| 1324s | the bear and having it become a caster |
| 1327s | is is kind of interesting mechanically |
| 1329s | but it just looks weird |
| 1331s | um |
| 1333s | so getting something that fits |
| 1334s | thematically in order to bring that's a |
| 1336s | similar fantasy i think would be a lot |
| 1338s | more appropriate |
| 1344s | sabretooth has too much of its tree |
| 1346s | devoted to as a percentage too much was |
| 1348s | treated devoted to |
| 1349s | cold |
| 1350s | um cold stuff so if you don't want to go |
| 1352s | cold or do want to go cold it basically |
| 1355s | dictates |
| 1356s | like everything you're doing in that |
| 1358s | tree it becomes sort of a |
| 1361s | a one decision tree |
| 1364s | a one depth binary tree |
| 1371s | speaking of puddles is volatile reversal |
| 1374s | eating me into void puddles at the side |
| 1376s | of the room a feature or a bug i mean |
| 1381s | it's pretty it like |
| 1383s | it's volatile |
| 1385s | it |
| 1387s | does what it says it does ah |
| 1393s | oh zario gifted some nice |
| 1396s | 237 subs the channel that's huge that is |
| 1399s | a large number of gifted subs thank you |
| 1400s | very much |
| 1403s | it's neat that it tracks that |
| 1411s | master sword i missed you 13 months |
| 1413s | congratulations thank you very much |
| 1418s | you've been here for quite a while |
| 1421s | here i've got my master sword just for |
| 1422s | you |
| 1427s | this is you |
| 1429s | giving you a nice little pat thank you |
| 1432s | still gotta hang that thing up |
| 1434s | i'm gonna put it behind the shield on |
| 1435s | the wall |
| 1437s | by this shield |
| 1442s | i'll probably get a lot of this but is |
| 1443s | multiplayer out yet or is it close if |
| 1445s | not uh you can put exclamation mark |
| 1448s | multiplayer in chat and it will give you |
| 1450s | all the most up-to-date information |
| 1451s | about multiplayer uh it is not out yet |
| 1454s | to everyone it is out to some people |
| 1457s | uh we've got a small group of community |
| 1459s | testers that help us prepare patches for |
| 1463s | uh prepare for patches so we release |
| 1465s | stuff a little bit early to them um |
| 1468s | and |
| 1469s | uh |
| 1470s | there they are testing it we've |
| 1473s | just wrapped up our second test with |
| 1475s | them |
| 1478s | um went really well |
| 1480s | or we're just just wrapping it up |
| 1483s | maybe it's not wrapped up |
| 1485s | not yet but uh |
| 1487s | yeah it's it's it's moving |
| 1490s | it's it's moving along it's coming it's |
| 1492s | doing good it's i don't really have much |
| 1493s | to say about it it's just you know |
| 1495s | stuff's working we're still making stuff |
| 1498s | it's not ready to be released |
| 1501s | i'm sure if they were able to answer the |
| 1503s | questions you asked the cts if we should |
| 1504s | release it they would probably tell you |
| 1506s | no |
| 1510s | i don't |
| 1511s | has gifted six |
| 1512s | has resubbed for six months in a row |
| 1514s | thank you very much |
| 1516s | we're halfway to a year |
| 1518s | lovely |
| 1521s | what am i doing |
| 1524s | i'm just killing things till i find this |
| 1525s | stuff |
| 1527s | i am i'm not doing enough damage |
| 1529s | that is |
| 1530s | that is definitely apparent |
| 1537s | hey |
| 1538s | hey |
| 1539s | when does a when does a joke become a |
| 1540s | dead joke |
| 1544s | when the punchline becomes apparent |
| 1556s | sure no one's ever heard that joke |
| 1557s | before |
| 1564s | good old joke number |
| 1566s | 4731 |
| 1573s | repost not allowed |
| 1579s | uh what is your opinion on rng drops |
| 1581s | compared to deterministic rewards for |
| 1582s | example would it be too far-fetched if |
| 1584s | there was a way to add extra lp to your |
| 1586s | uniques i |
| 1589s | should have not looked away and it was |
| 1590s | dangerous thank you very much weird for |
| 1592s | gifting a bunch of subs to the channel |
| 1595s | uh in |
| 1596s | [Music] |
| 1598s | at the same time as my failure |
| 1601s | it looks like five or six |
| 1603s | two three four five six six subs thank |
| 1606s | you very much |
| 1608s | flipping brilliant congrats and we got |
| 1611s | one of those |
| 1614s | uh |
| 1618s | is he pulling out notepad plus plus i |
| 1619s | use sublime text thank you very much |
| 1623s | i only code in microsoft word |
| 1628s | i don't that'd be awful that would be |
| 1630s | truly the most terrible thing of all |
| 1632s | time |
| 1634s | no i |
| 1635s | i use um |
| 1637s | visual studio day-to-day |
| 1639s | and uh i do use sublime tech sometimes |
| 1644s | sorry back to uh |
| 1646s | they mine's question thieving's question |
| 1648s | about um rng versus deterministic |
| 1651s | rewards for things |
| 1653s | and uh suggesting that if there was a |
| 1655s | way to add extra lp to your uniques even |
| 1658s | if it took insane amounts of play time |
| 1660s | but it would still be there as a carrot |
| 1662s | on the stick tangible goal i think that |
| 1664s | it's um |
| 1669s | so it's it's a big balance thing and it |
| 1672s | shifts all the time and as soon as you |
| 1674s | add even if you have a system where the |
| 1676s | things that are rng the things that are |
| 1679s | deterministic are in a good balance and |
| 1681s | you add something else over here that |
| 1682s | seems unrelated |
| 1684s | it affects it and it's a very big |
| 1686s | ecosystem that is |
| 1687s | um that that is affected by things that |
| 1690s | don't seem like they're connected |
| 1692s | um |
| 1692s | i think sometimes it's |
| 1695s | difficult to see reasons why we don't do |
| 1698s | things it's like well like oh you should |
| 1700s | like obviously we should have this thing |
| 1701s | and and i it's difficult to see the |
| 1704s | whole system as a whole and i frequently |
| 1706s | forget about things when trying to look |
| 1708s | at the system as a whole to to do things |
| 1710s | like this like that's |
| 1711s | that's that's an easy thing to |
| 1715s | to like have problems with and i think |
| 1717s | one one thing that i |
| 1719s | uh like to look at is |
| 1721s | um by giving something a tangible like |
| 1724s | set amount of time that something takes |
| 1725s | and you're guaranteed to get it or |
| 1726s | something you're working towards and |
| 1728s | it's just going to happen |
| 1729s | a |
| 1731s | can be a really positive thing to have |
| 1733s | but |
| 1734s | one of the big downsides to it maybe not |
| 1736s | downside one of the things that it just |
| 1737s | does and can be a downside in context of |
| 1739s | other things is that it |
| 1741s | um it assigns a value of time |
| 1745s | to a specific item |
| 1748s | and it says uh like |
| 1750s | it makes it pretty clear what that time |
| 1752s | is |
| 1753s | um |
| 1756s | and it sometimes gives that expectation |
| 1758s | that that's what that time is and |
| 1760s | sometimes um |
| 1762s | say there's two ways to get something |
| 1765s | and one way it's pretty clear |
| 1767s | that you're going to get it in let's |
| 1770s | let's say 100 hours like that it's you |
| 1773s | put it 100 hours you're gonna get it um |
| 1775s | and then let's say there's an rng way to |
| 1777s | get that same thing |
| 1779s | um and on average if you if you focus on |
| 1782s | the rng way it's going to take you let's |
| 1784s | say |
| 1785s | 75 hours and |
| 1788s | these these numbers might seem like |
| 1790s | weird but i'm trying to use roundish |
| 1792s | numbers to make this easier to explain |
| 1793s | because i'll get lost in my numbers if i |
| 1795s | don't um so let's let's say |
| 1797s | um it'll take 75 hours to get this thing |
| 1801s | on average through an rng system |
| 1803s | and that's kind of calculated and known |
| 1806s | by the community everyone sort of has |
| 1807s | figured roughly that out |
| 1809s | um |
| 1811s | because there's this benchmark of well i |
| 1814s | know i can get it |
| 1816s | at 100 hours |
| 1818s | um |
| 1820s | or i can |
| 1821s | or or a 75-hour system and it it |
| 1825s | i'm explaining i realized halfway |
| 1827s | through this explanation that is a |
| 1828s | terrible way to explain this basically |
| 1830s | people are bad at |
| 1831s | making estimations for time investments |
| 1833s | on things when it's an rng system |
| 1836s | and comparing that to a less rng based |
| 1839s | system is people are bad at that as well |
| 1841s | and i like i don't mean anyone specific |
| 1844s | i am terrible at it myself it's just |
| 1846s | humans are bad at |
| 1847s | uh recognizing random systems and uh |
| 1851s | and and estimating for themselves how |
| 1853s | long things should take |
| 1855s | i need to turn a fan on |
| 1869s | it is cooking in here okay |
| 1871s | um |
| 1878s | we've really intentionally designed the |
| 1879s | legendary potential system legend system |
| 1881s | in general |
| 1883s | to act as sort of a bonus end game |
| 1886s | system so it's a tale |
| 1889s | on a complete item system so you |
| 1892s | like |
| 1892s | most content most like |
| 1894s | uh most content is designed so that with |
| 1896s | a |
| 1897s | uh a well-designed build |
| 1900s | um |
| 1901s | and |
| 1902s | a |
| 1903s | like something that's in the higher |
| 1905s | power levels of builds out there |
| 1907s | you should be able to complete |
| 1910s | all the major content and i want to put |
| 1912s | a little asterisk there that's saying |
| 1913s | that like |
| 1914s | 10 000 corruption |
| 1916s | uh mottos is not |
| 1919s | normal content so to speak |
| 1922s | um so we could i guess we use t4 jewelry |
| 1924s | as an example you should be able to |
| 1925s | complete two for jewelry with |
| 1929s | um without legendary items for the most |
| 1931s | part unlike if you've got a solid build |
| 1933s | and no legendary items you should |
| 1935s | probably be able to do it |
| 1937s | um |
| 1939s | and i i know there are builds out there |
| 1941s | that can't do it and i i hate using a |
| 1944s | specific boss fight as a benchmark for |
| 1946s | that because it creates the is this |
| 1948s | viable discussion to pop up but |
| 1950s | pretending that doesn't exist for a |
| 1951s | moment |
| 1953s | um |
| 1954s | i i think the one of the main reasons we |
| 1956s | don't have a deterministic way to |
| 1959s | put legendary potential on an item |
| 1962s | is is that we want it to be sort of this |
| 1964s | extra tail to the system not a |
| 1967s | um |
| 1969s | perceived mandatory part of the system |
| 1971s | and |
| 1974s | on top of that |
| 1975s | if there is a way to add legendary |
| 1978s | potential to an item um it throws off |
| 1981s | the balance of the way legendary |
| 1983s | legendary potential brings up lower |
| 1985s | level uniques that's one of the main |
| 1986s | things that the system does is it brings |
| 1988s | up lower level unique so if we have a |
| 1990s | way to to slap legendary potential on |
| 1992s | something like ravenous void um that's a |
| 1995s | completely different thing than the |
| 1997s | ability to slap legend potential on a |
| 2000s | hammer of lauren or hamlet lorenz or |
| 2002s | everyone pronounce it but so |
| 2004s | we then have to put |
| 2007s | um |
| 2009s | a a long a variable time on getting this |
| 2012s | legendary potential investment |
| 2014s | onto these items relative to what the |
| 2017s | item that you're putting it on is |
| 2021s | um |
| 2022s | and the system becomes very complex we |
| 2024s | we have |
| 2025s | um |
| 2026s | designed something out like this when we |
| 2028s | were looking at the legendary potential |
| 2029s | system in the first place we did design |
| 2031s | something that would do basically this |
| 2034s | um and we decided that it was |
| 2036s | a not positive overall and be too |
| 2038s | complicated |
| 2042s | very long-winded rambling answer and i |
| 2044s | know i kind of backtracked on the stuff |
| 2046s | i said there i'm sorry about that |
| 2047s | hopefully that gives you a little |
| 2048s | insight into it |
| 2051s | uh |
| 2052s | mayor shards has several 67 point nodes |
| 2054s | always more interesting to hear why |
| 2056s | though thanks yup uh |
| 2060s | i |
| 2061s | we didn't have our |
| 2063s | systems in place at that point it's a |
| 2065s | really old tree |
| 2067s | that's why |
| 2070s | we were still experimenting we were |
| 2071s | still learning we still are |
| 2074s | um |
| 2075s | but we we |
| 2077s | uh opposed making that tree um four ways |
| 2080s | after making entry actually we built a |
| 2082s | bunch of tools to like um give us |
| 2084s | statistics and check for uh numbers on |
| 2086s | trees so it checks |
| 2087s | the total number of nodes the total |
| 2089s | number of points investible in the |
| 2091s | entirety of the tree |
| 2092s | um and gives an average number of points |
| 2094s | per node because those two numbers give |
| 2096s | that their number um |
| 2098s | it gives a total number of connections |
| 2101s | like um |
| 2103s | like total number of just connections so |
| 2105s | one two three four five six seven eight |
| 2108s | and a total number of connection point |
| 2110s | requirements and then gives the average |
| 2112s | for that as well because that the first |
| 2113s | two numbers give you the third number |
| 2116s | um and we try and get each one of those |
| 2118s | values into and the total number of |
| 2120s | nodes i think i said that we try and get |
| 2122s | all of those values into a roughly |
| 2125s | similar-ish range um and i said roughly |
| 2128s | similar issue because some trees um need |
| 2131s | a few longer threads that have less that |
| 2133s | ends up with less connections some trees |
| 2135s | need to have a lot of connections some |
| 2136s | trees need to have um a little more |
| 2138s | nodes like you'll notice that um summon |
| 2141s | skeleton i think has one of the highest |
| 2142s | nodes in the |
| 2146s | probably in the 35 node range |
| 2149s | but you should usually try to keep |
| 2150s | between 28 and 32 total nodes |
| 2154s | and most of them are in that range |
| 2156s | uh any plans to add fire acid flats oh |
| 2160s | it's sorry the 67 point nodes why don't |
| 2163s | we want that five points uh in a single |
| 2166s | node is |
| 2167s | a quarter of that skill tree's |
| 2170s | allocation |
| 2171s | that's 25 |
| 2172s | um it's a lot even five is a big number |
| 2175s | um and we try and do less and less fives |
| 2177s | because it is such a big number and i |
| 2179s | know you get plus skills and it can be |
| 2180s | twenty percent twenty five percent but |
| 2181s | still twenty to twenty five percent of a |
| 2183s | tree on a single node is a lot when that |
| 2186s | number gets up to |
| 2187s | seven eight it becomes an even higher |
| 2189s | number you get like thirty percent of a |
| 2191s | single tree on a single node |
| 2193s | that's insane |
| 2196s | some like eight |
| 2197s | uh eight eight point nodes i think in in |
| 2200s | bear |
| 2203s | uh any plans for fire acid flask changes |
| 2206s | would love some greek fire effect to it |
| 2208s | uh like if the effects changes i don't |
| 2210s | know i'll stop my head if there are um |
| 2213s | s-flask is is i think a pretty solid |
| 2215s | tree overall and this is one of the |
| 2217s | things like there's there's lots of |
| 2218s | things that can be improved all over the |
| 2220s | place and we do pick out sometimes and |
| 2221s | improve individual things for them but |
| 2224s | quite often when we're looking at what |
| 2225s | do we work on next it's what's the worst |
| 2227s | thing let's make that better |
| 2230s | or where's the biggest hole in in |
| 2232s | content that we need to to fill |
| 2234s | um where's where's the |
| 2236s | what can we benefit from what would |
| 2237s | benefit from our time the most |
| 2240s | because we really are looking to um get |
| 2243s | to launch as soon as we can and |
| 2245s | a lot of what we do |
| 2247s | a lot of when we decide to work on |
| 2248s | specific things the |
| 2250s | consideration primarily is um |
| 2253s | what gets us to launch the fastest and |
| 2255s | in the best state possible |
| 2271s | i really needed to fix my build i was |
| 2273s | gonna do it this week and i just |
| 2275s | did not have time |
| 2279s | there's those sub somewhere thank you |
| 2281s | very much again |
| 2283s | uh what happened to the unreleased |
| 2285s | classes don't forget to put that last |
| 2286s | epoch game in the question if you want |
| 2288s | me to answer it uh they are still |
| 2289s | unreleased we're still working on them |
| 2291s | uh they're in early development |
| 2293s | um a lot of people that are going to |
| 2295s | work on them |
| 2297s | are |
| 2297s | people that work um a lot day to day on |
| 2300s | multiplayer stuff that which is what |
| 2301s | we're working on currently |
| 2303s | more focused so we don't have time to |
| 2306s | work on those yet |
| 2308s | um once multiplayer is in more of a |
| 2310s | tested and bug fixing state rather than |
| 2312s | a feature implementation state we'll be |
| 2314s | um |
| 2315s | we'll be hopping back over onto skills |
| 2317s | more heavily and that's when those will |
| 2319s | get created |
| 2322s | come on now latex are bust |
| 2325s | oh uh it took it took me until my fourth |
| 2328s | year to actually get the hold of latex |
| 2330s | and like like like not get a hold of it |
| 2332s | but like |
| 2333s | wrap my head around it and use it |
| 2335s | effectively |
| 2336s | and by that point it actually was great |
| 2338s | uh if you don't use latex before it's uh |
| 2341s | it's basically like word for nerds |
| 2345s | um |
| 2347s | and it is great but oh it's not user |
| 2350s | friendly at all it's like you sit down |
| 2352s | to learn photoshop and you're like this |
| 2354s | sucks because i can't do anything |
| 2357s | and then a year later you're like of |
| 2358s | using it every day it's the best thing |
| 2360s | ever because you've learned how to use |
| 2361s | it um |
| 2363s | but the thought of word needing a |
| 2365s | year-long learning curve to even be |
| 2367s | competent with it is insane but it's |
| 2369s | worth it latex is great |
| 2377s | oh people are bad at math and scales |
| 2379s | nothing new yeah i mean |
| 2382s | yeah |
| 2383s | hello glad you're here thank you it's |
| 2385s | friday hello master sword glad you're |
| 2386s | here too |
| 2388s | i'm a little bit behind i think |
| 2390s | no we've been all behind |
| 2391s | uh just to expand |
| 2395s | i enjoyed your discussion with lizard |
| 2397s | the other week if i may ask what were |
| 2399s | your major takeaways from that |
| 2400s | discussion um i haven't so i |
| 2403s | i wrote up what i talked about with him |
| 2406s | um we haven't as a group talked about |
| 2408s | that discussion at all yet we were |
| 2412s | we had it scheduled for yesterday and we |
| 2414s | pushed that meeting so probably next |
| 2415s | week before we actually talk about |
| 2417s | anything that was there at all i i think |
| 2419s | there's |
| 2421s | we get a ton of amazing feedback from a |
| 2423s | lot of people like straight away and |
| 2426s | it's hard to pick out what's actionable |
| 2428s | and what's not um |
| 2431s | i mean a lot of the things that come in |
| 2432s | feedback right |
| 2434s | so much of the sufficient feedback it's |
| 2435s | already on a list of like we've got to |
| 2437s | do this we've really got to get to this |
| 2439s | this and this and we get a whole huge |
| 2440s | feedback from someone um |
| 2442s | and like a lot of the little things that |
| 2444s | are there are already on that list and |
| 2447s | um |
| 2451s | yeah so like so that almost every time |
| 2453s | there's there's a huge amount of overlap |
| 2454s | there um |
| 2457s | and i think that lizard is listening if |
| 2459s | you're here now there you are i think |
| 2460s | lizard is |
| 2462s | possibly the most play time per |
| 2465s | like |
| 2467s | per day |
| 2469s | like most play rate right now of anyone |
| 2473s | um and he sees a lot of things that that |
| 2476s | no one else sees |
| 2479s | which is really good insight |
| 2480s | for a lot of things |
| 2482s | and you get a lot of big picture stuff |
| 2484s | which is great |
| 2490s | um |
| 2492s | i don't have any |
| 2493s | direct comments to make on what that |
| 2494s | discussion was about but if you want to |
| 2496s | watch it i'm sure it's up on lizards |
| 2499s | uh |
| 2500s | twitch or something or rewatch i don't |
| 2502s | know |
| 2507s | we talked a lot about uh |
| 2509s | leveling curve a difficult difficulty |
| 2511s | curve i think it'd be a better way to |
| 2512s | put it um difficulty curve stuff |
| 2525s | just to expand my previous question oh |
| 2527s | look what your previous question was |
| 2532s | i just figured out from the context |
| 2534s | um |
| 2535s | what is your opinion on having |
| 2536s | everything either rng or everything |
| 2538s | deterministic by crafting for example |
| 2539s | without player picking between the two i |
| 2541s | i think that's |
| 2543s | uh probably not |
| 2545s | ideal |
| 2547s | to have everything one way or the other |
| 2548s | okay i shouldn't say that it really it |
| 2550s | depends on the context of the game again |
| 2552s | i think um in uh an arpg in a |
| 2554s | diablo-like rpg where there's like |
| 2556s | really specific things where you're |
| 2558s | you're planning for like a multiplayer |
| 2559s | system you're planning for an online |
| 2561s | system um you're planning for |
| 2563s | like a very expansive gameplay with very |
| 2565s | deep systems having everything be um |
| 2568s | deterministic or everything be rng i |
| 2570s | think would be |
| 2572s | a mistake |
| 2573s | um |
| 2575s | and i'm like i was delaying saying that |
| 2577s | a little bit so i was trying to think of |
| 2578s | a game that had everything as |
| 2579s | deterministic or everything is rng and i |
| 2581s | can't think of one |
| 2583s | um |
| 2587s | like diablo dl2 itself has a lot of rng |
| 2590s | stuff but there's some deterministic |
| 2591s | stuff there too |
| 2593s | um |
| 2594s | and there's some semi-deterministic |
| 2595s | stuff there too and like like like you |
| 2597s | go to campus and she always drops a rune |
| 2598s | well |
| 2600s | almost always drops a rune um |
| 2602s | technically possible for her not to but |
| 2604s | you know you'll break the forge and |
| 2605s | there's always a room that drops and |
| 2607s | there's always a perfect to flawless or |
| 2609s | too flawless to perfect in a regular gym |
| 2611s | or something or whatever the ratio is |
| 2612s | and you know like there's there are |
| 2613s | certain things that are deterministic |
| 2615s | still but almost the rest of it is |
| 2618s | is determinist is random |
| 2621s | um |
| 2624s | the deterministic stuff |
| 2626s | brings |
| 2627s | uh brings a sense of control and the |
| 2629s | ability to plan |
| 2631s | which is really good for um |
| 2635s | uh people who who like to |
| 2637s | design builds and people who like to |
| 2639s | really plan things out |
| 2641s | like the ability to plan is good for |
| 2642s | people who like to plan surprise |
| 2645s | i'll be back mike with uh amazing |
| 2647s | insights back for more at five you know |
| 2649s | um |
| 2653s | but if you if you if there's no way to |
| 2656s | say like okay when i do this i'm going |
| 2658s | to get this item |
| 2659s | at all anywhere in the game |
| 2663s | i think there's um |
| 2667s | less room for planning probably |
| 2684s | four years and i still pronounce latex |
| 2686s | wrong it's latex |
| 2689s | props i had i'll call it latex |
| 2695s | is this another uh sequel sql thing |
| 2700s | lisp anyone gross haskell |
| 2703s | ugh |
| 2704s | hated haskell |
| 2708s | used some really cool stuff in some of |
| 2709s | these these like obscure languages there |
| 2711s | was uh i took a class that was just um |
| 2714s | it's just called programming languages |
| 2716s | um |
| 2717s | weird weird class the whole grade |
| 2720s | consisted of four |
| 2723s | six hour |
| 2725s | eight |
| 2726s | person team exams |
| 2729s | so you have a six hour exam and you take |
| 2731s | it in a team of eight people |
| 2733s | and it was four of those that was your |
| 2735s | whole grade |
| 2737s | how weird is that |
| 2740s | um |
| 2742s | and you were allowed to use any |
| 2743s | resources you wanted in those six hours |
| 2745s | so like you got the question six hours |
| 2748s | later you had to hand in your answers it |
| 2750s | was always a big essay |
| 2751s | uh and you any resources anything goes |
| 2754s | you could be in the same room as each |
| 2756s | other you didn't have to be we always |
| 2758s | just grabbed a classroom and |
| 2759s | and and did it all together and like one |
| 2762s | of the one of the questions was on |
| 2764s | python and we contacted the creator of |
| 2766s | python to ask him |
| 2768s | uh |
| 2769s | and he's like |
| 2772s | the answer we got was hilarious it was |
| 2773s | like it was when would you do |
| 2775s | this operation in python or how would |
| 2777s | you do this operation in python and his |
| 2778s | answer was like you would never do that |
| 2780s | in python that's stupid |
| 2783s | and we quoted him in the exam it was |
| 2784s | great |
| 2791s | it's cool he replied in like just a |
| 2793s | couple hours |
| 2796s | um |
| 2798s | yeah |
| 2799s | outside of gear uniques |
| 2801s | has there been discussion on |
| 2803s | how or if skill trees will evolve to |
| 2805s | help keep build diversity going there |
| 2808s | seems to be some skills that the skill |
| 2809s | point investment on them are largely |
| 2811s | static for large parts of builds these |
| 2813s | most often are utility defensive skills |
| 2815s | but there are some offensive skills as |
| 2817s | well yeah um i think that's just |
| 2820s | the skill could be designed better |
| 2823s | um |
| 2825s | so yeah there's |
| 2827s | um sometimes those knock-on effects from |
| 2829s | like one skill getting a change that |
| 2831s | adds to another |
| 2833s | i'm sure there'll be other systems in |
| 2835s | the future that integrate into skills |
| 2836s | that aren't there now |
| 2838s | um |
| 2842s | sometimes there's things that seem |
| 2843s | unrelated that will affect how skills |
| 2845s | are |
| 2846s | are used so maybe we add in |
| 2849s | um |
| 2850s | maybe there's a skill let's say um |
| 2852s | lightning blast and the only way to play |
| 2854s | lightning blast was to compare it to |
| 2855s | cold |
| 2856s | it's just it's just the best way to play |
| 2857s | lightning blast but then suddenly we |
| 2858s | release content where just lightning |
| 2861s | damage is unbelievably useful and |
| 2864s | suddenly the discussion of whether to |
| 2866s | use lightning blast in cold form or |
| 2867s | lightning form becomes a debate just |
| 2870s | from changing the content that's |
| 2871s | available and not even changing the |
| 2873s | skill itself |
| 2874s | um |
| 2877s | uh then there's there's other effects |
| 2879s | where it's like you can get a unique |
| 2882s | let's say a unique four |
| 2884s | of volcanic or extending our lightning |
| 2885s | blast example here let's say there was a |
| 2889s | unique four volcanic orb that said like |
| 2891s | every time you |
| 2892s | use a differently elemented skill |
| 2896s | it gets |
| 2897s | 400 more coal damage um and so suddenly |
| 2900s | you don't want to use your lightning |
| 2901s | blast as cold because you need to have |
| 2903s | it be lightning instead to trigger that |
| 2906s | um |
| 2908s | so you can |
| 2909s | you can see how there's things that |
| 2910s | aren't even in the skill tree or even |
| 2912s | directly interacting with skill trees in |
| 2914s | a new way that can affect it and and |
| 2917s | i i guess my point is that |
| 2919s | those skills are still going to get work |
| 2921s | aren't going to get changes and |
| 2923s | um |
| 2924s | largely it's difficult to |
| 2927s | tell that that's going to happen with a |
| 2928s | skill tree until |
| 2930s | you all get it in your hands and |
| 2933s | sometimes discover things that we didn't |
| 2935s | expect or |
| 2936s | um |
| 2938s | you know |
| 2941s | there's all sorts of reasons that that |
| 2942s | um like a skill skill a specific skills |
| 2945s | meta can get stale i guess |
| 2949s | and yeah that's not ideal and we do like |
| 2950s | to mix it up and |
| 2952s | uh |
| 2953s | what's this |
| 2954s | yeah |
| 2956s | mean |
| 2958s | decrypts dagger and bow hit |
| 2963s | it's uh |
| 2964s | unfortunate would it be good even for uh |
| 2969s | whatever |
| 2975s | excuse me |
| 2982s | oh there's two of them back-to-back |
| 2983s | that's funny |
| 2989s | and looking back at this question sorry |
| 2990s | the question was has a big discussion on |
| 2992s | and yeah the answer is yes there has |
| 2993s | been discussion on this |
| 2999s | yeah weird random but nudgeable chances |
| 3004s | uh and what i love in d2 yeah the fact |
| 3006s | that your best drop wasn't from the top |
| 3008s | boss but was very interesting |
| 3010s | yeah i mean |
| 3012s | more more hirings drop from random mobs |
| 3017s | than from |
| 3019s | uh anywhere else in the game |
| 3029s | that's just a volume thing |
| 3037s | and yeah being able to so that there's a |
| 3040s | lot of things that happen there too |
| 3040s | where you have to like |
| 3042s | know what's droppable where and they use |
| 3044s | loot tables very differently than we do |
| 3053s | like how there's three items in the game |
| 3055s | that are only droppable by two things in |
| 3056s | the entire game you know stuff like that |
| 3061s | uh is there a system to skip the |
| 3063s | campaign for all characters in last |
| 3064s | epoch yes and if not why not as we |
| 3067s | especially see poe |
| 3069s | it's a highly regressive feature and so |
| 3071s | there's not a system to just skip the |
| 3072s | whole thing at the moment |
| 3074s | and i can go into why there's not a |
| 3075s | system to skip the whole thing um |
| 3081s | and and why we've implemented it the way |
| 3082s | we have i'll try and do a little bit |
| 3084s | briefly because i think we've talked |
| 3085s | this a few times on stream um |
| 3088s | basic the the short answer is the |
| 3091s | campaign is a tutorial for your |
| 3092s | character |
| 3093s | um |
| 3095s | and having something there before you |
| 3098s | get into into more difficult content |
| 3101s | is um |
| 3102s | is is important for us to to have |
| 3105s | the total experience with per character |
| 3107s | being |
| 3108s | engaging and fun and and having it |
| 3111s | having building a connection there too |
| 3113s | so it's not just about |
| 3114s | um learning the character but also |
| 3117s | you know having a |
| 3119s | like this is my |
| 3120s | instead of just being uh |
| 3122s | i made a |
| 3125s | you know like this is my |
| 3126s | uh puncture bow puncture hail |
| 3129s | averro's bow rogue not i made a puncture |
| 3132s | hail bow rug |
| 3136s | um and having that distinction in in in |
| 3139s | language that you're |
| 3140s | feeling as as playing the character i |
| 3142s | think is important |
| 3143s | um |
| 3145s | what we do is we have |
| 3147s | um campaign skips so we have specific |
| 3149s | points in the campaign where you can |
| 3151s | skip content |
| 3154s | um |
| 3156s | and and the goal is to have a lot more |
| 3158s | of these than is possible to be done on |
| 3160s | a single character um and also to not |
| 3162s | have these be doable on the first |
| 3164s | character of any season or league so um |
| 3168s | part of that is we don't want brand new |
| 3170s | we don't want to give brand new |
| 3171s | characters the opportunity to get to end |
| 3173s | game and be completely lost so the |
| 3176s | campaign does act as as a learning curve |
| 3178s | for them for those players that are um |
| 3181s | going through and if you just dump them |
| 3183s | into end game with with a |
| 3185s | like you give them a starting set of end |
| 3186s | game gear and you're just like |
| 3188s | um or or you just slap them in the arena |
| 3190s | for 60 levels and they have to they just |
| 3192s | power level it quick or something like |
| 3194s | that |
| 3194s | you know it's it's |
| 3199s | i think that person i think that would |
| 3200s | be a very boring |
| 3203s | um |
| 3205s | to to just do the do the arena for 60 |
| 3207s | levels or something |
| 3209s | not for every character and then if you |
| 3211s | just give someone a character that is |
| 3213s | level 16 don't make them do anything for |
| 3215s | it |
| 3216s | that um |
| 3220s | this is a huge topic i don't want to go |
| 3221s | too deep i'm trying to like reign in |
| 3222s | what i'm saying to to not ramble a whole |
| 3225s | bunch here but uh that experience is |
| 3228s | important that that journey is important |
| 3230s | um |
| 3233s | it's it's it's not just about getting to |
| 3234s | level 60 it's about getting a little 60 |
| 3236s | on that character trying out the skills |
| 3237s | along the way and and that that leveling |
| 3240s | progression for each class archetype and |
| 3242s | each um each mastery is something that |
| 3243s | we do try and curate something that we |
| 3246s | do try to |
| 3247s | um |
| 3248s | have be an interesting thing |
| 3252s | oh there's one that's pretty nice |
| 3256s | oh |
| 3258s | relatively quality |
| 3262s | yeah we'll take that one |
| 3271s | we'll look at it later it's fine |
| 3273s | um |
| 3275s | i can't where i was going i'm sorry i |
| 3276s | lost my train of thought i got a ticket |
| 3279s | for the next one though |
| 3282s | all aboard |
| 3284s | all right train of thought leaving the |
| 3285s | station |
| 3285s | um |
| 3287s | the |
| 3288s | so the skips that we do have uh you you |
| 3290s | collect a key on one character um and |
| 3293s | these are the dungeons that are the |
| 3294s | skips so this is temporal sanctum this |
| 3295s | lets you skip |
| 3299s | chapter five |
| 3303s | this is the entrance right here |
| 3306s | um unless you skip a fair bit of a fair |
| 3308s | bit of content actually |
| 3310s | um and there's there's two other skips |
| 3311s | as well |
| 3322s | um yeah so we and sometimes we change |
| 3324s | the campaign and sometimes we change the |
| 3326s | um what happens as you level so we've |
| 3329s | set it up in the way such way that at |
| 3331s | the start of a league um at the start of |
| 3333s | a season or whatever sort of a cycle the |
| 3334s | first character plays the campaign and |
| 3337s | then after that subsequent characters |
| 3338s | can |
| 3339s | as you have gear in your stash that you |
| 3341s | are |
| 3342s | able to make them be better and and you |
| 3344s | have keys you can you can transfer to |
| 3346s | them uh you can jump in and skip |
| 3348s | sections of the campaign and level up a |
| 3351s | little bit faster |
| 3358s | and it's it's it's designed the whole |
| 3360s | the system as a whole is designed as |
| 3361s | such that once we have enough of these |
| 3363s | you'll be you'll be starting a new |
| 3365s | character and say like okay my character |
| 3367s | is really good at dungeons one five |
| 3369s | seven and nine |
| 3370s | and so i'll do those ones but i'm gonna |
| 3372s | skip dungeons two three or whatever it |
| 3375s | was because they they overlap so it has |
| 3378s | the timeline i usually draw |
| 3380s | and so we've got the line uh and here's |
| 3382s | dungeon one two three four five six um |
| 3385s | but this dungeon takes you to this point |
| 3387s | oh my goodness this is laggy |
| 3389s | um and this dungeon takes you to this |
| 3391s | point |
| 3392s | wow this is crazy |
| 3393s | um and so if you take this dungeon you |
| 3395s | can't access the start of this dungeon |
| 3397s | here |
| 3398s | um and maybe this one says like super |
| 3400s | far and takes you to here and if you |
| 3401s | take this one it like precludes you from |
| 3402s | getting into either one of these but |
| 3403s | both of these will just take you right |
| 3404s | to the end |
| 3405s | or something like that you know |
| 3407s | um and there's also quests along the way |
| 3409s | that you need to get to unlock uh the |
| 3411s | full potential of your character so |
| 3412s | skill points and passive points are |
| 3415s | passive points and idle unlock slots and |
| 3418s | so you end up with |
| 3419s | um |
| 3420s | i think what will be really cool is |
| 3422s | there'll be some passing problems that |
| 3423s | will happen and it's kind of similar to |
| 3426s | uh things that happen in speed running |
| 3428s | communities where people uh route a game |
| 3430s | for like making it optimal and i think |
| 3433s | they'll be like |
| 3434s | if eventually what i hope will happen i |
| 3437s | expect will happen is people will come |
| 3438s | up with like |
| 3439s | uh okay you're leveling a paladin um |
| 3442s | this is the best route to take oh you're |
| 3444s | leveling |
| 3445s | a rogue in general this is the best |
| 3447s | route to take because there's this one |
| 3448s | dungeon that um |
| 3452s | you know it's really easy if you can |
| 3453s | crit consistently and rug's really good |
| 3455s | at critting so you know take a rogue in |
| 3456s | there and it makes it really easy |
| 3459s | um but if but at all but it has like |
| 3462s | super high resistance to dots and maybe |
| 3464s | so if you're playing a |
| 3465s | a dot necromancer or something or like |
| 3468s | it's really good at killing minions so |
| 3469s | if you have like a bunch of if you're |
| 3470s | necromancer with a bunch of minions it's |
| 3472s | it's gonna be a bad time so you don't |
| 3473s | take that one on a necromancer and you |
| 3475s | go this other one instead that's really |
| 3477s | useful to have a bunch of minions you |
| 3478s | know |
| 3482s | so i think that'll help keep the |
| 3483s | campaign |
| 3484s | a little bit fresh |
| 3487s | and a little bit dynamic |
| 3489s | while still being |
| 3491s | a good tool for |
| 3493s | creating a new character |
| 3499s | we're still we are still playing we're |
| 3500s | making we're playing an rpg like we want |
| 3502s | this to be |
| 3504s | a character that you're |
| 3505s | um you're having some attachment to this |
| 3507s | is this is a character that you're |
| 3509s | um you're leveling up and it's growing |
| 3512s | with you as as you play and these things |
| 3514s | and and all these are things that we |
| 3516s | work we keep in mind as we're creating |
| 3518s | these systems |
| 3534s | come on |
| 3536s | can't wait until we're able to actually |
| 3537s | see all of the stacks instead of 15 plus |
| 3540s | we've got it on uh |
| 3541s | dev belts right now it's so nice |
| 3545s | all right |
| 3547s | uh we're having a little |
| 3548s | rambling mood today i feel like it's |
| 3550s | good though i like it it's fun |
| 3552s | um i was assigned haskell for a coding |
| 3554s | project that was 30 of your grade had to |
| 3557s | meet certain complexity requirements |
| 3560s | i made next week on python |
| 3564s | oh i hope the prof |
| 3566s | realized the discrepancy there and took |
| 3569s | that into account when grading it i |
| 3571s | suspect they did |
| 3574s | i hope they would |
| 3576s | for your sake i hope they would |
| 3580s | uh if you don't pronounce |
| 3583s | sql as sequel or squirrel |
| 3587s | i don't even know what you do with your |
| 3588s | life |
| 3592s | i intentionally said sqlx i saw the |
| 3593s | other two down there by the way |
| 3597s | i haven't used sequel |
| 3599s | um |
| 3601s | in a long time |
| 3603s | took too few database classes but |
| 3607s | you know |
| 3608s | um |
| 3611s | it's such it's such a funny argument |
| 3613s | that pops up all the time |
| 3617s | i thought i thought the argument was |
| 3618s | between sql and sequel squirrel i've |
| 3620s | heard but i thought it was just a joke |
| 3622s | maybe maybe that's joke you're making |
| 3627s | was that a towards volatile lightning |
| 3629s | orb asking for a friend nope |
| 3632s | uh |
| 3633s | spike |
| 3635s | spark |
| 3636s | or speak i have a spike like the |
| 3639s | dramatic spike hey subs thank you very |
| 3641s | much welcome to the party |
| 3645s | what percentage of players have found |
| 3647s | the secret b level i i like it's it's |
| 3650s | low enough that we round it down to zero |
| 3652s | at this point |
| 3658s | um |
| 3658s | [Music] |
| 3659s | where do you think your game places |
| 3662s | itself in the market in the market where |
| 3664s | it will soon fight |
| 3665s | soon fight poe 2 and d4 um |
| 3668s | i think that there's uh so we don't look |
| 3671s | at it that way really i don't think |
| 3673s | there's um |
| 3675s | like yes there's only so much time |
| 3676s | everyone has |
| 3678s | um |
| 3679s | and so you know people will split their |
| 3681s | time or |
| 3682s | um |
| 3683s | or or pick one of them to play type |
| 3685s | thing |
| 3686s | uh |
| 3687s | and and yeah of course we want people to |
| 3688s | play our game as much as possible but i |
| 3690s | i don't think it's a fight so much |
| 3695s | um |
| 3698s | because like i play more than one action |
| 3700s | rpg right now myself |
| 3702s | um |
| 3705s | and like more than one other than last |
| 3706s | epoch as well |
| 3709s | that's my jam |
| 3711s | and um |
| 3713s | yeah i i think there's room for everyone |
| 3715s | in the market so to speak but |
| 3719s | um i don't know i |
| 3724s | what's what's the exact question what do |
| 3725s | you think your game places itself in the |
| 3726s | market |
| 3727s | i feel like we have |
| 3730s | so a lot of a lot of it is um |
| 3734s | lots of similarities and differences |
| 3735s | between all of them it's hard to draw a |
| 3737s | lot of conclusions with d4 because it's |
| 3738s | not out yet we know a lot of things but |
| 3740s | it's not you know it's not out so we |
| 3743s | don't know everything um |
| 3746s | and same with poe too and like we don't |
| 3748s | know everything for last epoch either |
| 3749s | nothing's nothing's finished yet |
| 3751s | um |
| 3752s | so with all those games and developments |
| 3753s | it's hard to say |
| 3755s | um it's really interesting because poe 2 |
| 3757s | and d4 both have very large pre-existing |
| 3760s | fan bases |
| 3764s | and i think there's |
| 3766s | like enough similarities and enough |
| 3768s | distinctions that people will be able to |
| 3769s | find things that are fun |
| 3771s | uh about all of the different games that |
| 3773s | they could play |
| 3777s | man i've said literally nothing after |
| 3779s | the last like two minutes of talking |
| 3782s | i don't have a good answer for you i'm |
| 3783s | sorry |
| 3790s | like stalling for time trying to think |
| 3792s | of a good answer i got nothing really as |
| 3793s | far as details i i it's a lot of stuff |
| 3796s | that we talk about um |
| 3799s | that i |
| 3800s | like |
| 3803s | don't feel comfortable talking about on |
| 3804s | stream really |
| 3806s | you get into businessy stuff |
| 3812s | design space i guess we could talk about |
| 3813s | a little bit more |
| 3816s | um |
| 3819s | it's again hard because i haven't played |
| 3820s | dial before oh i want you so bad um |
| 3823s | i think we'll likely be as far as the |
| 3825s | complexity level we'll probably be in |
| 3828s | between poe 2 and d4 |
| 3831s | um as far as depth goes |
| 3833s | um i hope we're closer to |
| 3836s | i i think the game will be in between |
| 3837s | the two but i think we'll be closer to |
| 3838s | pov2 as far as depth is concerned but i |
| 3841s | mean this is so much speculation that i |
| 3842s | can't really speak |
| 3844s | uh with with confidence to it |
| 3848s | uh so you're not a fan of wow's instant |
| 3849s | boost i think wow is a different genre |
| 3852s | um |
| 3855s | and |
| 3857s | uh i think the grind from one to |
| 3860s | whatever max level is now |
| 3862s | uh |
| 3863s | is is so |
| 3865s | different |
| 3867s | in wow than it is to last epoch like you |
| 3870s | can get like a like you should ask it |
| 3872s | listen if you're here how long does it |
| 3873s | take you to get from |
| 3875s | one to |
| 3876s | um like like new character to monolith |
| 3878s | how long does that take you i know it's |
| 3880s | an extreme example or anyone here that |
| 3882s | has done this enough to know that number |
| 3884s | um |
| 3885s | how long does it take you and even |
| 3886s | double that number and i bet it's still |
| 3887s | nowhere near |
| 3889s | the fastest person in wow |
| 3891s | i think you know |
| 3893s | um so i think it's a little different in |
| 3895s | that case and then as well on top of |
| 3896s | that wow has |
| 3898s | um |
| 3899s | mechanics where they lock you out of |
| 3901s | content on a weekly basis so having more |
| 3904s | characters and that that line it's been |
| 3906s | a while so i'm talking about wow |
| 3907s | really isn't i'm going to talk wow as an |
| 3909s | expert like as a |
| 3911s | rating um server first content pushing |
| 3914s | try hard in wow that was wrath was the |
| 3917s | last time i did that so that that's |
| 3919s | where these references are coming from |
| 3920s | for the most part um so if i say |
| 3922s | something wrong with regards to current |
| 3923s | wow i'm sorry um but with with raid |
| 3926s | lockouts |
| 3927s | getting an extra character to max level |
| 3929s | means you're able to do more in-game |
| 3931s | content per week |
| 3933s | um so i think that having |
| 3935s | though and and with how much longer it |
| 3936s | takes to get to endgame |
| 3938s | and with the raid lockout system i think |
| 3940s | that it's much more appropriate to have |
| 3942s | boosts in that game |
| 3944s | um |
| 3945s | than it is in an arpg like this having |
| 3947s | said that no i'm not a huge fan of it |
| 3953s | uh the story skipping key thing sounds |
| 3956s | neat any potential |
| 3957s | some npcs have slightly differing |
| 3959s | dialogue based on what was skipped uh |
| 3963s | that's something we could do i think |
| 3964s | it's something that's really cool |
| 3966s | um there's nothing in there right now |
| 3968s | there are some |
| 3969s | uh story lines and dialogues uh secrets |
| 3972s | that are hidden in the dungeon so you |
| 3974s | get different experiences that way |
| 3978s | which is cool |
| 3980s | uh what is the progress share for |
| 3983s | multiplayer for waypoints quests unlocks |
| 3985s | like empower |
| 3988s | like empower idea |
| 3990s | for co-op environment host gets progress |
| 3992s | entire party boosts the thing oh uh |
| 3996s | i can't give you details on exactly how |
| 3997s | it's working yet |
| 3999s | because it is still |
| 4001s | not finalized |
| 4005s | we do have a system in place that we're |
| 4006s | quite happy with |
| 4007s | um |
| 4010s | but it could change |
| 4019s | whoa |
| 4023s | uh yeah was not uh paying attention |
| 4026s | really |
| 4026s | and uh |
| 4027s | [Music] |
| 4029s | you know i paid the price |
| 4032s | what happens |
| 4035s | i need to |
| 4039s | get better gear |
| 4041s | because my gear sucks |
| 4050s | uh all right are monoliths largely |
| 4052s | finished and largely resemble what they |
| 4054s | will be at 1.0 there's still possibility |
| 4056s | conversion for changes to things like |
| 4058s | their pacing um |
| 4060s | i think there could be pretty so uh |
| 4063s | yes and yes to an ore question you know |
| 4065s | like |
| 4066s | um |
| 4067s | i think that the |
| 4069s | the main mechanics that we'll see in |
| 4072s | monolith at 1.0 will be will look very |
| 4074s | similar to what you're seeing now |
| 4076s | um |
| 4078s | and and |
| 4079s | just to clarify that a little bit that |
| 4081s | doesn't mean that that won't change as |
| 4082s | we go forward past 1.0 because 1.0 is |
| 4087s | really just a benchmark that we can say |
| 4088s | here is a game that we are proud to say |
| 4092s | is a product that we can release as like |
| 4094s | here's a game it's fun it's awesome |
| 4097s | we're gonna build on this now because |
| 4098s | this game is fun and awesome and we can |
| 4101s | make it so much more fun and so much |
| 4102s | more awesomer yeah awesomer |
| 4105s | um |
| 4106s | and so we're |
| 4108s | we'll still be |
| 4111s | uh this will still be a lot of |
| 4114s | changes post-launch to what it is but |
| 4116s | yeah right now what you're seeing will |
| 4118s | be the core |
| 4119s | functionality for the monolith um |
| 4122s | but like stuff's gonna get added to it |
| 4124s | um |
| 4125s | pacing can change with very little like |
| 4128s | you do very you make really small |
| 4129s | changes to the monolith that'll have |
| 4132s | huge pacing implications so um |
| 4135s | yes it's largely the same but pacing |
| 4137s | could change a lot i don't know yet like |
| 4139s | that's one of the things that lizard and |
| 4140s | i were talking about a lot |
| 4143s | um |
| 4153s | so yes |
| 4156s | the volume get really loud all of a |
| 4157s | sudden |
| 4160s | uh |
| 4161s | [Music] |
| 4163s | it's sequel not sequel |
| 4168s | uh |
| 4171s | i know a handful of people who all say |
| 4173s | buying as soon as multiplayer comes out |
| 4175s | yeah i see that a lot um we see this all |
| 4178s | the time i feel like you gotta |
| 4180s | grow a lot as soon as it's out yeah i i |
| 4183s | think that we'll see a pretty |
| 4186s | uh substantial player-based spike when |
| 4188s | multiplayer comes out um |
| 4193s | and that's that's part of the reason why |
| 4194s | that experience needs to be |
| 4197s | very solid |
| 4198s | if if we if we release |
| 4201s | and um let's say let's say our player |
| 4205s | base triples |
| 4206s | multiplayer comes out the players |
| 4207s | triples like i'm literally making that |
| 4208s | number up off the top of my head please |
| 4210s | do not take that as a something people |
| 4212s | have considered or anything like that |
| 4213s | let's just for example let's say that um |
| 4216s | because i'm going to use that number to |
| 4217s | make a point in a second let's let's say |
| 4219s | that and then and |
| 4220s | let's say multiplayer has horrible lag |
| 4222s | and um it's basically unplayable and you |
| 4226s | can't log in forever and um item duping |
| 4228s | is is rampant and you know like all |
| 4231s | these |
| 4231s | common um early multiplayer bugs happen |
| 4237s | um and two thirds of our player base |
| 4240s | all they know as experience for the game |
| 4243s | is all these problems |
| 4246s | um which is a huge problem |
| 4250s | and so you only get one shot at a first |
| 4252s | impression for a lot of people that |
| 4253s | first impression is going to be when |
| 4254s | multiplayer comes out so we need to make |
| 4256s | sure it's it is solid now and then like |
| 4259s | when i say that i know a lot of people |
| 4260s | go yes but if you spend too long |
| 4263s | you'll lose everyone's interest and and |
| 4265s | yeah we definitely know that so um |
| 4268s | we're we are that's why we're spending |
| 4270s | so much time working on and so much |
| 4271s | energy working on is we know we have to |
| 4273s | get it out as soon as possible and we |
| 4275s | know it has to be awesome |
| 4277s | so |
| 4287s | hello |
| 4290s | i was going to say your name that i |
| 4291s | realized that nobody pronounced it arusa |
| 4293s | emra |
| 4295s | love it three to four hours playing in |
| 4297s | the character yeah okay so |
| 4298s | uh |
| 4299s | two those are two hours to mono speed |
| 4301s | run so yeah let's let's say it's five |
| 4302s | hours |
| 4303s | let's let's let's bump those let's put |
| 4305s | those numbers up to ten hours for uh for |
| 4308s | like an early thing |
| 4310s | you can not get anywhere near end game |
| 4314s | in 10 hours in a while like not even |
| 4316s | remotely close |
| 4318s | to 10 hours in wow like not not even |
| 4320s | like |
| 4321s | scratching the surface of it in 10 hours |
| 4323s | a while |
| 4324s | and maybe this comes from i haven't |
| 4326s | leveled the character in a while since |
| 4327s | wrath but you know um |
| 4330s | from what i remember my first time |
| 4332s | leveling a character in wow it was it |
| 4334s | was actually still burning crusade |
| 4336s | um |
| 4337s | that took me months |
| 4340s | i was |
| 4341s | i didn't know what i was doing i was a |
| 4343s | kid and everything but like |
| 4345s | so that was months |
| 4354s | it's hundreds of hours so you know and |
| 4356s | the level skip stuff there is |
| 4359s | it's it's a it's an it's an |
| 4361s | inappropriate comparison to make i think |
| 4374s | that's a good point somebody's made it's |
| 4375s | an old game with need for special |
| 4376s | circumstances and yeah i think that's |
| 4379s | that's a good point there's a lot of |
| 4380s | things that happen in games where you're |
| 4382s | like where you get problems that need to |
| 4384s | be solved |
| 4385s | and |
| 4386s | um |
| 4387s | those problems wouldn't exist |
| 4390s | in the original release and they like |
| 4393s | get uh design debt is that the same |
| 4395s | thing as technical debt before game |
| 4396s | design systems |
| 4401s | i should start uh i should start picking |
| 4403s | out bows here let's let's uh |
| 4408s | let's highlight some bows |
| 4411s | oh |
| 4421s | we're doing poison |
| 4425s | being physically pretty heavily physical |
| 4433s | still |
| 4439s | i personally am a player here mid max's |
| 4441s | and have played le for almost a thousand |
| 4443s | hours |
| 4444s | that's a lot |
| 4445s | cool |
| 4446s | uh |
| 4447s | i find the more i play the game the more |
| 4449s | i find that the option opinions lizard |
| 4451s | has in the game are 99 spot on |
| 4453s | not everyone is a mid maxer but i feel |
| 4455s | like a large volume of the le player |
| 4457s | base generally agrees with lizards |
| 4458s | findings opinions just want to point |
| 4459s | that out yeah i think it's um |
| 4465s | uh i think there's a lot of as well |
| 4469s | things you might not realize on your own |
| 4471s | you hear someone say it and it makes a |
| 4472s | lot of sense and you go oh yeah wow that |
| 4474s | does happen |
| 4475s | um |
| 4480s | uh |
| 4481s | i think lizard is |
| 4483s | good at pointing things out |
| 4485s | good at uh |
| 4489s | drawing conclusions from experiences |
| 4492s | it's a good way to say it |
| 4497s | oh yeah we know that there's different |
| 4499s | player types in the game |
| 4501s | like |
| 4502s | and and we try to create some sometimes |
| 4504s | we'll make systems specifically for |
| 4506s | what we consider one type of player or |
| 4508s | another um |
| 4511s | and like so we we know that there are |
| 4513s | some people that really hate arenas |
| 4515s | um |
| 4517s | that's part of the reason that it says |
| 4519s | on the monolith um when you're going |
| 4520s | into an echo it actually says arena in |
| 4522s | the name um and part of the reason for |
| 4525s | that is because we got a bunch of |
| 4526s | feedback at one point that there's some |
| 4527s | people just don't like playing arenas |
| 4529s | um |
| 4530s | and so yeah we we try to make |
| 4532s | considerations for different types of |
| 4533s | players and take into account when we're |
| 4535s | building systems |
| 4544s | it's been a while you know what |
| 4548s | i'm gonna i'm gonna i gotta get a little |
| 4550s | teaser for you here |
| 4553s | oh |
| 4555s | ooh that's neat i wonder what that is oh |
| 4558s | let's answer our question while that's |
| 4559s | up on screen |
| 4561s | uh there are any and are there any |
| 4564s | intention to change keys requirements in |
| 4567s | monoliths to |
| 4568s | a reward sorry |
| 4571s | sorry are there any intention to change |
| 4573s | key |
| 4574s | rewards in the monolith to all keys |
| 4578s | instead of just arena keys if no can you |
| 4580s | explain why |
| 4580s | um we don't have any plans right now for |
| 4583s | it uh however we haven't really |
| 4585s | had the |
| 4586s | um design discussion about that yet so |
| 4590s | uh it's not a |
| 4592s | we plan to not have plans for it or we |
| 4595s | plan to have plans for it it's just we |
| 4596s | don't have any plans one more than like |
| 4598s | we haven't talked about yet plan answer |
| 4602s | i'm sure they've confirmed it well |
| 4605s | oh that's league sorry there's a |
| 4606s | different question okay yeah no |
| 4609s | yes i missed the question about uh yes |
| 4611s | it was highlighted first time yes we |
| 4612s | will have leagues uh the planets to hold |
| 4614s | cycles right now |
| 4619s | um |
| 4620s | yeah |
| 4626s | yes i am potentially pronouncing sequel |
| 4629s | wrong |
| 4638s | your refusal to pronounce squeal |
| 4640s | correctly makes me squeal |
| 4644s | sequel see |
| 4645s | i |
| 4646s | now i don't even know what it |
| 4649s | is this |
| 4652s | uh to be fair there's been every launch |
| 4654s | of every game for the past 10 years no |
| 4656s | pressure |
| 4659s | thanks you have no pressure |
| 4662s | oh god oh god |
| 4669s | to be fair |
| 4675s | uh yeah it takes you a week tops now it |
| 4678s | is uh ain't no wrath no more okay |
| 4681s | it's a little different apparently |
| 4683s | still a week a week is very different |
| 4685s | than |
| 4688s | hours |
| 4689s | like |
| 4695s | i don't know par that was part of the |
| 4697s | charm for i shouldn't talk about wow |
| 4698s | here but that was part of the charm for |
| 4700s | me |
| 4701s | uh |
| 4702s | of of wow i actually like yeah there was |
| 4704s | months leveling but i kind of enjoyed |
| 4706s | that it was and yeah a lot of people say |
| 4708s | it's just a tutorial and um first time i |
| 4711s | see doing that level awesome and and the |
| 4713s | eighth time i level the character it was |
| 4715s | sucked |
| 4716s | um |
| 4717s | the shaman and paladin that i leveled |
| 4719s | were just there was a slog to do you |
| 4722s | know they both leveled really nicely um |
| 4727s | right okay |
| 4728s | i'd already done |
| 4729s | uh warlock a death knight |
| 4732s | uh and i have death knights don't really |
| 4733s | count um |
| 4735s | warlock |
| 4737s | uh death knight shaman |
| 4739s | paladin |
| 4740s | uh priests |
| 4742s | druid |
| 4747s | uh warrior |
| 4755s | warlock is my favorite always will be |
| 4760s | i played a warlock and my roommate |
| 4761s | played |
| 4764s | a shadow priest for the most part |
| 4768s | and so we always had uh |
| 4770s | who could who can do shadow dots better |
| 4772s | competitions |
| 4776s | i won |
| 4784s | i doubt he's watching |
| 4788s | but if he is i know i'll hear about it |
| 4790s | [Laughter] |
| 4803s | uh you need to tag oh someone asked the |
| 4805s | question didn't tag |
| 4807s | uh has it been much more complicated |
| 4809s | taking your single-player game making it |
| 4811s | multiple than just having it multiplayer |
| 4813s | from the start absolutely it was a |
| 4814s | horrible idea to do that we'd never do |
| 4815s | it again |
| 4817s | um |
| 4819s | okay if you're gonna make a multiple |
| 4821s | game make a multiplayer game and then |
| 4822s | build the systems after that don't |
| 4824s | don't make a single player game and |
| 4826s | convert it to multiplayer that is that's |
| 4827s | a well-known thing and like we've been |
| 4830s | working on multiplayer systems since the |
| 4832s | beginning if you go back to our |
| 4833s | kickstarter page and you look at that |
| 4835s | kickstarter video the original |
| 4836s | kickstarter video right at the start |
| 4838s | there's multiplayer clips |
| 4842s | i know because i made it |
| 4847s | um |
| 4849s | i mean it's awful we scrapped literally |
| 4851s | 100 of everything that made that |
| 4852s | multiplayer work but like yeah we've |
| 4854s | been kind of had that multiplayer |
| 4857s | idea going for a long time we try to |
| 4859s | build for it but not having it actually |
| 4861s | in full multiplayer systems caused a lot |
| 4863s | of problems yeah we've had to redo a lot |
| 4865s | of stuff |
| 4866s | don't i dare use that boat but i like it |
| 4870s | it's pretty fine i'll drop it for you |
| 4873s | you can pick that up for me right |
| 4876s | right it's gone isn't it |
| 4900s | did i just drop something that people |
| 4901s | want me to play with |
| 4904s | it might am i just a noob |
| 4908s | am i just am i terrible |
| 4910s | uh will the drop rate change with |
| 4912s | multiplayer i prefer to play ssf and |
| 4914s | like the drops now um yes i i um |
| 4917s | i had a good i answered this question |
| 4918s | recently i had a really good answer for |
| 4920s | it i'm gonna butcher it now and i'm |
| 4921s | sorry um |
| 4923s | we want the drop rate to still feel |
| 4927s | um good and fun for ssf players |
| 4930s | um i think it is important to sort of |
| 4932s | have a distinction that um it's harder |
| 4935s | to get things done when you do them on |
| 4936s | your own like that's just a |
| 4938s | fact right like if there's any sort of |
| 4940s | collaborative gameplay whatsoever it's |
| 4942s | going to be |
| 4944s | you know easier to get things done in a |
| 4945s | group with friends like you know it's |
| 4947s | like real life it's many hands make |
| 4949s | light work you know that sort of stuff |
| 4950s | it's going to be a little bit easier um |
| 4953s | and we will we will adjust the balance |
| 4956s | of the game |
| 4957s | with that in mind |
| 4959s | um |
| 4960s | and and and we will adjust the balance |
| 4962s | of the uh i would say bounce again |
| 4964s | balance of like drop rates and item |
| 4965s | acquisition with ssf players in mind |
| 4968s | with multiplayer in mind with |
| 4970s | the trading system in mind in general |
| 4971s | and and we're still |
| 4973s | developing our training system with |
| 4975s | that goal in mind as well so we're still |
| 4978s | um making tweaks making changes to it so |
| 4980s | that um we don't have to |
| 4983s | take um drop rates and push them into |
| 4985s | the dirt so that ssf players can still |
| 4988s | have a good time |
| 4990s | you know all those things are taken into |
| 4992s | account |
| 4992s | um |
| 4993s | and we know a lot of people even even |
| 4995s | when there are multiplayer systems like |
| 4997s | for a lot of people half the fun of |
| 4998s | multiplayer is |
| 5000s | playing solo and being able to |
| 5003s | interact with people for very specific |
| 5005s | things like um |
| 5007s | like you play solo 90 of the time and |
| 5010s | um a friend shows up and you rush them |
| 5012s | or you um you know get help from a |
| 5014s | friend to a boss or something like that |
| 5016s | and and |
| 5017s | sometimes the like multiplayer elements |
| 5019s | of |
| 5021s | uh arpgs ends up surprisingly similar to |
| 5024s | games like um like elden ring |
| 5027s | where you're largely solo and then every |
| 5029s | once in a while you get a friend for |
| 5030s | helping kill a boss or something like |
| 5031s | that or pvp |
| 5034s | and and i think |
| 5036s | um |
| 5041s | i just |
| 5044s | i don't i'm so tempted to just like keep |
| 5046s | calling it sequel or sql just to mess |
| 5048s | with you |
| 5052s | i'll call it squeal for you how about |
| 5054s | that okay |
| 5059s | uh sorry |
| 5063s | what is it going on about multiplayer |
| 5065s | drops everything yeah like we want we |
| 5068s | want ssf to still be fun and |
| 5071s | we want multiplayer to be fun and a lot |
| 5073s | of that has to do with drop rates and |
| 5075s | item acquisition and everything so we're |
| 5077s | still um |
| 5080s | uh get uh flesh out all those details |
| 5082s | but yes it's all |
| 5084s | it'll be great don't worry |
| 5086s | and and if it's not great you don't like |
| 5088s | it you know leave feedback in our |
| 5091s | discord in on the forums on reddit on |
| 5094s | whatever your favorite platform is and |
| 5096s | we'll um |
| 5097s | we'll still pay attention to that we'll |
| 5098s | still make changes to the game based on |
| 5100s | that feedback that we get from people um |
| 5104s | i like to think that we're really good |
| 5105s | at responding to feedback |
| 5107s | um |
| 5108s | if not always like when feedback shows |
| 5110s | up post a reply in the thread to that |
| 5112s | feedback but um |
| 5114s | when i say responding to feedback |
| 5115s | responding feedback as a whole |
| 5117s | um |
| 5118s | taking that feedback in and |
| 5121s | using it to make the game better overall |
| 5129s | that's one of our strengths |
| 5137s | eek |
| 5141s | i was invited to a barbecue i was not |
| 5143s | told to bring anything |
| 5146s | i will be the meat instead apparently |
| 5151s | you could just ask me to bring some |
| 5152s | burgers would have been no problem |
| 5166s | burgers would be so good right now |
| 5168s | cleaned the barbecue last weekend |
| 5170s | baby does it shine |
| 5172s | well not really but it's clean enough to |
| 5174s | eat off of |
| 5182s | so when multiplayer in the system with |
| 5184s | multiplayer in the system how do you |
| 5185s | deal with the sort of |
| 5186s | um |
| 5188s | cash coherence problem |
| 5191s | uh of the game clients just server wins |
| 5193s | or something else oh as you're saying |
| 5195s | it's server wins |
| 5197s | period |
| 5201s | no matter what server wins always |
| 5204s | there's |
| 5205s | there's there's all sorts of jokes of |
| 5207s | like |
| 5208s | um you know like dealing with a server |
| 5210s | authoritative system you don't trust |
| 5212s | don't trust the client but okay what |
| 5214s | about this no you don't trust the client |
| 5215s | yeah yeah but what about no you don't |
| 5217s | trust the client do i say client i mean |
| 5219s | the game client not the people client |
| 5224s | uh your favorite is warlock or was it |
| 5226s | void focused |
| 5228s | hi aaron how's it going |
| 5230s | no he was shadow focused it's completely |
| 5232s | different |
| 5234s | uh before is your favorite why isn't it |
| 5236s | done yet |
| 5237s | warlock and wow was my favorite class |
| 5240s | uh falconer is going to be my favorite |
| 5241s | class i think when it comes out |
| 5245s | this is the one i'm looking forward to |
| 5247s | the most myself but |
| 5248s | you know it's way too early to tell so |
| 5257s | like like i i don't know how to put it |
| 5259s | in perspective here's a good perspective |
| 5260s | i've never played a falconer warlock or |
| 5263s | rune master in last epoch |
| 5268s | that's how far away they are |
| 5276s | uh fps drops still a big issue there is |
| 5278s | no improvement yet there's been a ton of |
| 5279s | improvements with fps uh in epoch and it |
| 5282s | is one of the major things we're working |
| 5283s | on right now um |
| 5286s | don't forget to put at last epoch game |
| 5288s | uh in the questions but uh yeah there's |
| 5292s | there's tons of improvements that have |
| 5293s | been happening over the last few years |
| 5295s | and and that's just going to pick up an |
| 5296s | increase in pace for sure |
| 5299s | um |
| 5301s | yeah there's a |
| 5302s | wonderful tech artist that has been |
| 5303s | doing some really neat stuff that is uh |
| 5307s | that they've they've come in uh they've |
| 5309s | been for a little while now um |
| 5312s | and they've they've made some really |
| 5314s | cool tools that are just |
| 5316s | uh |
| 5318s | it's great i'm happy very happy about it |
| 5322s | um |
| 5323s | off topic but the movie deliverance is |
| 5325s | called so many references in popular |
| 5327s | culture |
| 5328s | comes from it you got pretty teeth boy |
| 5331s | did i make a deliverance reference and i |
| 5333s | missed it |
| 5343s | [Laughter] |
| 5350s | that made me squeal in delight |
| 5363s | like ben affleck there squeal like a pig |
| 5365s | squeal squeal |
| 5368s | dazed confused |
| 5371s | on the topic of trading |
| 5373s | oh yes quite indubitably |
| 5377s | uh where are we |
| 5378s | just it's like jumping but not jumping |
| 5381s | that's weird on the topic of trading yes |
| 5383s | lizard hello normally trading allows |
| 5385s | players to get a head or skip rmt uh |
| 5388s | gear progression what if le trading |
| 5390s | system |
| 5391s | allowed uh players to catch up but not |
| 5393s | get ahead for example top players |
| 5396s | already have four lp falcons casual guys |
| 5399s | by two lp falcons on week three thoughts |
| 5401s | how would you um |
| 5404s | uh how would you be able to determine |
| 5409s | uh okay it's a it's interesting |
| 5411s | um |
| 5412s | b how would you determine what the |
| 5415s | like where that line is on what you can |
| 5417s | trade like would would that have to |
| 5419s | include like an auction house |
| 5422s | that that inspected |
| 5424s | uh like whoever was was leading some |
| 5427s | sort of ladder what gear they're wearing |
| 5429s | and |
| 5430s | um determined what the like the bar for |
| 5434s | like high rank and mid rank gear is and |
| 5437s | then adapted over the course of the |
| 5439s | cycle to like |
| 5441s | um |
| 5442s | to move that bar up to like change what |
| 5444s | is |
| 5445s | tradable um |
| 5450s | it sounds like an absolute nightmare to |
| 5452s | balance |
| 5454s | um |
| 5464s | my my gut reaction is it's too |
| 5466s | complicated |
| 5469s | that's that's the that's the gut |
| 5470s | reaction but i i mean it is really |
| 5473s | interesting i don't think i've heard |
| 5474s | anything like that before |
| 5476s | is is there a game that does something |
| 5478s | like that as an example we could look at |
| 5484s | uh whatever your favorite forum is you |
| 5486s | got an irq channel |
| 5492s | uh no |
| 5493s | [Laughter] |
| 5496s | we got some some bbs systems here you |
| 5498s | know |
| 5499s | get some |
| 5501s | small bulletin boards going |
| 5516s | oh no oh no |
| 5518s | no way |
| 5521s | uh |
| 5526s | sorry |
| 5527s | no way |
| 5531s | there's an obscure reference |
| 5532s | uh developing a single-player game for |
| 5534s | years must be draining right is burnout |
| 5537s | from general uh is burn up from that a |
| 5539s | general issue |
| 5540s | i don't think we've seen a lot of |
| 5543s | burnout really um there's a few people |
| 5545s | that that like have |
| 5547s | uh you know |
| 5549s | moved on to other things it's just like |
| 5551s | it's because yeah it's a lot of work um |
| 5554s | making anything for |
| 5556s | a long period of time especially |
| 5558s | um |
| 5558s | when nothing is really like out and |
| 5560s | finished it's it's it's difficult to do |
| 5563s | for for a long period of time |
| 5566s | um |
| 5567s | but the by and large the majority of the |
| 5569s | people that are working on the game |
| 5570s | right now are the same people that were |
| 5571s | working like i should say that there's |
| 5574s | there's a ton of new people that's not |
| 5577s | one of those that wasn't really true but |
| 5578s | like |
| 5579s | the um |
| 5581s | the vast majority of the people who |
| 5582s | started working on the game when we |
| 5584s | started making it are still working on |
| 5586s | the game now |
| 5591s | very few people have left |
| 5612s | and and and something and i should say i |
| 5614s | should refer to a little bit very people |
| 5615s | have left due to like |
| 5617s | um |
| 5620s | game specific factors there's been |
| 5621s | people that have left due to like |
| 5623s | um |
| 5625s | like |
| 5626s | personal reasons |
| 5627s | can't say anything without |
| 5628s | being inappropriate to say |
| 5633s | like trying to think of an example |
| 5635s | of something i'm like that's just a cat |
| 5637s | of worms i'm not going to think an |
| 5639s | example |
| 5643s | uh yeah it's |
| 5646s | it's it is difficult uh to work on on on |
| 5650s | on one thing for a really long time |
| 5652s | uh |
| 5653s | and you do things to keep it interesting |
| 5655s | you um you change responsibilities you |
| 5658s | um |
| 5660s | you know like |
| 5662s | [ __ ] you shake things up in different |
| 5663s | ways |
| 5665s | there's all sorts of stuff you do to |
| 5666s | like keep it interesting keep it fun |
| 5671s | i think i think it helps because for a |
| 5673s | lot of us this started as a passion |
| 5675s | project |
| 5676s | um like the first year that a lot of |
| 5678s | people worked on this was |
| 5680s | like there was quite a few of us in the |
| 5681s | first year that |
| 5683s | no one made anything |
| 5686s | it was just us evenings and weekends |
| 5687s | being like i wonder if we can make this |
| 5689s | a thing |
| 5690s | apparently we can |
| 5715s | all right |
| 5718s | uh isn't clean enough to eat off of |
| 5723s | a bear |
| 5724s | for barbecue yeah it is |
| 5728s | that's why i got it there you go bust up |
| 5731s | the pressure washer there's no mold |
| 5732s | there's nothing living in there you know |
| 5735s | you gotta get the barbecue going for the |
| 5736s | summer |
| 5738s | pressure washer does the trick real well |
| 5747s | i was just like imagining someone taking |
| 5750s | their like barbecue to like one of those |
| 5751s | like wand car wash things at the like at |
| 5754s | a gas station just rolling it up |
| 5758s | [Laughter] |
| 5769s | no but i seem confused about yours in |
| 5771s | chat what do i do |
| 5775s | anyone can lie to the server if i trust |
| 5776s | clients well not anyone but it will |
| 5778s | happen um |
| 5781s | yeah i mean people can lot clients can |
| 5783s | lie to uh |
| 5785s | the server yes and the server will check |
| 5787s | to see if that's if the thing they're |
| 5789s | lying about uh |
| 5792s | is possible so like um |
| 5798s | i don't know what |
| 5800s | the client might say like |
| 5802s | i'm gonna place this item on in this |
| 5805s | slot or something like that and the |
| 5807s | server goes |
| 5808s | uh no you can't do that too bad |
| 5811s | even if your client is like no there's |
| 5812s | an item in that slot the server will go |
| 5814s | but there isn't |
| 5815s | uh |
| 5817s | you know |
| 5823s | the only the only things that |
| 5825s | like |
| 5827s | the client has control over |
| 5829s | i guess are the like |
| 5834s | the assets that are used to represent |
| 5836s | things on screen |
| 5838s | so i guess if you like |
| 5839s | change the color of this texture from |
| 5842s | red to purple health would show up |
| 5844s | purple |
| 5845s | but yeah |
| 5850s | uh is there going to be a limit for how |
| 5853s | many times someone can enter a monolith |
| 5855s | while playing in groups |
| 5857s | uh i don't think so and also if someone |
| 5860s | clears the month while everyone else |
| 5862s | dies |
| 5863s | do they all still get the loot um |
| 5865s | details on exactly how that's gonna work |
| 5867s | will be published all together at once |
| 5869s | sorry no info yet uh are there things |
| 5873s | are are things like dlss and fsr |
| 5875s | considered to be implemented to help |
| 5877s | with performance |
| 5878s | i rarely see them in arpg's to be honest |
| 5881s | um a lot of those things require engine |
| 5883s | upgrades |
| 5884s | so uh not yet |
| 5887s | uh no about the trade system just shower |
| 5889s | thought could be based on items people |
| 5892s | don't pick up or hand made by devs we |
| 5894s | want this to be accessible basically |
| 5896s | yeah |
| 5899s | it's an interesting idea lizard i i |
| 5901s | don't think that's implementable by 1.0 |
| 5904s | we need to have a trade system in place |
| 5905s | by 1.0 so |
| 5907s | very unlikely |
| 5909s | but uh i do think it's really cool |
| 5915s | jokes on you might tell that is one |
| 5917s | command |
| 5922s | will le ever have a battle pass um |
| 5926s | i i |
| 5928s | i don't know |
| 5933s | will i ever learn to speak spanish |
| 5935s | fluently maybe |
| 5937s | um |
| 5938s | i don't have a good answer sorry uh |
| 5941s | it's possible |
| 5942s | the term battle pass is |
| 5944s | interesting because |
| 5946s | um it can mean a lot of different things |
| 5948s | and there's a lot of ways to do battle |
| 5949s | passes that i think are |
| 5951s | um |
| 5953s | appropriate |
| 5954s | and a lot of ways to do battle passes |
| 5956s | that are not appropriate and that that |
| 5959s | level of appropriateness changes oh |
| 5964s | wow look at that |
| 5971s | even a couple decent rolls on there too |
| 5977s | that's |
| 5979s | sweet terrible for this character can't |
| 5981s | even wear it but that's cool |
| 5983s | all right it's going to the bank right |
| 5985s | there |
| 5987s | um sorry battle pass yeah |
| 5990s | it's different for every game |
| 5992s | um |
| 5993s | like what's appropriate for a battle |
| 5994s | pass what's not like is there a sticker |
| 5996s | price on the game is there not how much |
| 5998s | is that sticker price uh what other |
| 6000s | sorts of things do you charge for um |
| 6002s | what does the battle pass include is |
| 6003s | there you know like there's so many |
| 6005s | different things and |
| 6007s | um |
| 6008s | we we kind of like to forge our own way |
| 6011s | with with monetization |
| 6012s | um |
| 6013s | as you can see from us doing this kind |
| 6015s | of weird hybridized system of a of a |
| 6017s | like premium game and a |
| 6021s | um |
| 6023s | uh like it's kind of a |
| 6024s | half premium half freemium style game |
| 6026s | where there's like |
| 6028s | okay just get out of there boys and |
| 6030s | girls um where there is there's there's |
| 6032s | cosmetic ncx and there's a sticker price |
| 6033s | and um |
| 6035s | i i |
| 6036s | we've received quite a few very uh |
| 6039s | opinionated |
| 6040s | responses to that system already um but |
| 6044s | i think what we've done so far is is has |
| 6046s | been very fair and uh |
| 6049s | um |
| 6052s | like we'll continue to |
| 6054s | to try and keep the |
| 6056s | uh monetization of our game really fair |
| 6058s | and i think battle pass can |
| 6059s | if done right can be an interesting way |
| 6061s | to expand on that there hasn't been any |
| 6063s | discussions on doing anything like that |
| 6065s | yet um it doesn't mean it won't ever |
| 6067s | happen or it's impossible but |
| 6069s | it's not something we've like |
| 6071s | planned on yet |
| 6073s | so i don't want to say yes or no because |
| 6076s | i don't know |
| 6081s | but if we did it we do it our own way |
| 6084s | because |
| 6089s | we don't do anything conventionally |
| 6094s | you need me a squirrel build okay fine |
| 6105s | the obvious solution would be to tie |
| 6107s | down your barbecue |
| 6108s | set to |
| 6110s | the truck roof and then hit the car wash |
| 6112s | yeah like like a drive-through car wash |
| 6114s | problem is there's like so many nooks |
| 6116s | and crannies you can get everywhere and |
| 6118s | focus on certain spots you just want to |
| 6120s | go through and give it a general washing |
| 6122s | the problem with car washes is that um |
| 6125s | it's not designed for like automated car |
| 6127s | washes they're not designed for your car |
| 6129s | they're designed for the general car |
| 6131s | and you often don't get um a really good |
| 6134s | wash on your car because he doesn't know |
| 6136s | that like |
| 6137s | uh your back right tire sat in a pool of |
| 6140s | mud for a week uh when you were camping |
| 6142s | last month and it's all crusted up but |
| 6145s | now it needs a really deep clean there |
| 6146s | just knows that generally we clean tires |
| 6148s | a little bit |
| 6150s | definitely not a real example |
| 6152s | uh |
| 6153s | totally just made that up |
| 6165s | i guess i should get closer shouldn't i |
| 6178s | okay |
| 6185s | are you at all worried about botting |
| 6187s | issues when it comes to multiplayer uh |
| 6189s | worried no |
| 6191s | cognizant of absolutely |
| 6194s | um |
| 6197s | like it's it's it's the sort of thing |
| 6199s | that we um |
| 6200s | we're not a huge fan of having uh |
| 6203s | botting in the game we know that it's a |
| 6205s | very common thing for the style of game |
| 6208s | um |
| 6209s | we do keep that |
| 6210s | as a sort of like fact of |
| 6213s | fact of life in the |
| 6215s | oh my goodness |
| 6217s | no |
| 6221s | oh |
| 6222s | okay come on okay this is bad |
| 6229s | i saw all the health photos just to my |
| 6230s | left and i was like |
| 6232s | shift was just barely off cooldown was |
| 6233s | trying to go there |
| 6234s | rolled my hand across the keyboard |
| 6236s | didn't quite get it |
| 6239s | wow |
| 6241s | um |
| 6242s | bots and multiplayer yeah i mean |
| 6245s | uh |
| 6246s | it's probably gonna happen |
| 6249s | uh like |
| 6251s | we're gonna do stuff to make it not |
| 6253s | awesome to bought |
| 6255s | you know like |
| 6266s | uh |
| 6269s | yeah all right let's make a little room |
| 6271s | here |
| 6283s | let me in let me in |
| 6290s | part so part |
| 6292s | one of the there's many considerations |
| 6294s | went into this but one of the |
| 6295s | contributing factors to having a sticker |
| 6297s | price in the game was |
| 6300s | to reduce the appeal of botting if |
| 6302s | someone's if someone's getting |
| 6304s | banned every say someone's running a bot |
| 6306s | to generate rmt somehow |
| 6309s | um |
| 6310s | and |
| 6311s | they're they're |
| 6313s | they have to net profit |
| 6315s | above the cost the standard price of the |
| 6317s | game times the frequency |
| 6319s | of of them getting caught and banned to |
| 6322s | make it worthwhile |
| 6324s | to to still do it and that that deters |
| 6326s | rmt botting |
| 6328s | just in just having a single price a |
| 6329s | little bit you know it's not it's not a |
| 6331s | solution at all but it deters it a |
| 6333s | little bit |
| 6335s | um so that was part of the reason that |
| 6337s | we put a sticker price in the game in |
| 6339s | the first place first place |
| 6341s | it's a pretty small part of the reason |
| 6342s | but |
| 6343s | it was definitely in the conversation |
| 6347s | is there anything else in here i want |
| 6351s | i think so |
| 6355s | i mean just bleed is great |
| 6374s | i don't care about armor shirt that much |
| 6376s | or crit |
| 6381s | just poison to do more dots that we |
| 6386s | just do every time that's what we do |
| 6388s | should probably look at the build the |
| 6390s | remember gave me writers like dying like |
| 6391s | i've got such a great build for you |
| 6393s | you're just putting points in |
| 6394s | willy-nilly |
| 6396s | it's been a while since i made a made a |
| 6397s | marksman |
| 6407s | next question |
| 6409s | why do you think games like wow and lost |
| 6411s | ark have speed hacks if the server |
| 6412s | should be able to prevent it completely |
| 6415s | um |
| 6416s | i i think there's |
| 6418s | there's there's a gap in uh |
| 6421s | in in the code somewhere that lets it be |
| 6424s | possible |
| 6425s | um possibly that was |
| 6427s | a decision that was made to |
| 6429s | [Music] |
| 6431s | um |
| 6431s | to allow |
| 6435s | um |
| 6436s | like less information to be sent this is |
| 6438s | pure speculation here by the way but |
| 6440s | maybe it was a decision that was made to |
| 6442s | allow less information to be spent sent |
| 6444s | back and forth to and from the server um |
| 6446s | and less |
| 6447s | processing power handled on the server |
| 6448s | so it would um be cheaper to run the |
| 6451s | servers and more cost effective |
| 6453s | uh |
| 6454s | and that this there's some gap that |
| 6455s | allowed people to exploit it and |
| 6458s | they've likely looked at the cost to fix |
| 6461s | it and |
| 6462s | um what they'd get out of it they've |
| 6463s | probably decided that it's just not |
| 6465s | worth it |
| 6467s | pure speculation no idea in reality |
| 6476s | i am by no means an expert as well for |
| 6479s | the record |
| 6481s | uh the client side texture manipulation |
| 6483s | was the thing in wow vg's uh causing |
| 6485s | unfair advantage do you expect to be an |
| 6487s | issue in le i i think the big difference |
| 6489s | there is that you can get um i no i |
| 6492s | don't expect it to be a big issue in le |
| 6494s | uh mostly because we don't have a lot of |
| 6495s | effects that |
| 6497s | uh |
| 6499s | that could cause that to be |
| 6502s | something like that if that makes any |
| 6503s | sense um |
| 6510s | yeah |
| 6511s | like like there's there's not a |
| 6513s | situation where you're gonna have like a |
| 6515s | a bright pink texture |
| 6517s | i i i don't actually know what the the |
| 6520s | thing you're referencing is but i'm |
| 6521s | assuming it was something along the |
| 6522s | lines of like um instead of having a |
| 6525s | shimmer or something like that for a |
| 6527s | stealth |
| 6529s | uh like a rogue that's like just like |
| 6530s | partially stealth detected or something |
| 6532s | like that being like difficult to detect |
| 6533s | it was just like a bright pink blob and |
| 6536s | made it way easier to detect stealth or |
| 6538s | something like that you know we don't |
| 6539s | really have a lot of effects like that |
| 6541s | and um |
| 6543s | much less focused around pvp |
| 6547s | um like we try to give |
| 6549s | we try we try to build the game in such |
| 6551s | a way that there is clarity to the |
| 6552s | player anyways |
| 6565s | and and we're not focusing pvp is not a |
| 6567s | primary game mode at the moment |
| 6573s | i i feel like |
| 6577s | you're you're sacred of bots blizzard |
| 6583s | uh |
| 6589s | yeah i think i think wow has a bigger |
| 6592s | emphasis on pvp than we do |
| 6594s | um so it's a bigger problem there in |
| 6596s | general |
| 6598s | we do also have a few tricks |
| 6600s | with stuff like that if something's |
| 6601s | really important |
| 6603s | um |
| 6608s | that i won't go into |
| 6615s | but they're probably things that were |
| 6617s | not available to |
| 6618s | blizzard's dev team when they were |
| 6621s | having those problems |
| 6623s | meanwhile |
| 6628s | and they may have created to combat them |
| 6639s | i think people mostly bought if there is |
| 6642s | a reason for it like paragon or an rmt |
| 6644s | economy irl most people won't bought if |
| 6646s | they have no reason for it do you guys |
| 6648s | keep it in mind when designing systems |
| 6649s | yes so far i only think the vault gold |
| 6652s | farming bots would be a serious issue |
| 6654s | yeah there's um |
| 6656s | yes it's the short answer we do keep |
| 6658s | that in mind when we're designing |
| 6659s | systems um |
| 6662s | partially as an attempt to |
| 6664s | make the game just more interesting |
| 6665s | because if a bot can play the game |
| 6667s | easily |
| 6669s | there's likely not a lot of on-the-fly |
| 6671s | decision making happening |
| 6673s | um |
| 6674s | which i i mean for a lot of people is |
| 6676s | something that they're interested in and |
| 6678s | so we do put those things in the game |
| 6680s | but |
| 6683s | uh |
| 6684s | yeah it is something that comes into the |
| 6686s | conversation |
| 6687s | when we're making new systems |
| 6691s | not super often really |
| 6693s | it's pretty rare but you know |
| 6696s | we talk about it |
| 6700s | all right first time chat from freaky |
| 6703s | style |
| 6704s | uh if the server is always right in |
| 6707s | multiplayer does that mean there's a lot |
| 6708s | of rubber banding and desync i bought |
| 6710s | d2r a few days ago on sale for two days |
| 6713s | i stopped playing online i made a new |
| 6715s | offline character because it ruined my |
| 6716s | fun um |
| 6718s | i don't experience much rubber banding |
| 6720s | at all while i'm playing multiplayer um |
| 6725s | and and i just want to preface what i'm |
| 6727s | about to say by saying i'm not |
| 6729s | suggesting you're doing this in d2r at |
| 6731s | all um |
| 6733s | hypothetically if one were to be |
| 6735s | manipulating their client in last epoch |
| 6738s | to try and get an advantage there would |
| 6740s | be a lot of rubber banding yes |
| 6742s | um |
| 6743s | because they'd constantly be like no i'm |
| 6745s | faster than so be like no you're not |
| 6749s | um |
| 6750s | so |
| 6752s | like that could happen there if if you |
| 6753s | were intentionally abusing it |
| 6756s | um |
| 6757s | but no i i don't see a bunch of rubber |
| 6760s | banding at |
| 6762s | all um |
| 6771s | i actually don't think i see any |
| 6774s | i can't remember the last time i saw any |
| 6776s | i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure it happens |
| 6778s | like it has to at some point |
| 6781s | but i can't think of the last time i saw |
| 6782s | any |
| 6787s | and i'm not ultra close to the servers |
| 6789s | either where we typically run the |
| 6790s | servers |
| 6794s | i am most of a continent away |
| 6799s | most of a very large continent away |
| 6805s | hello just came to say that i really |
| 6807s | like last epoch it's my favorite hack |
| 6808s | and slash game as of now the only thing |
| 6810s | that bothered me is performance but i'm |
| 6812s | sure that you are working on that every |
| 6813s | single patch yes we are good luck can't |
| 6815s | wait for the full release thank you very |
| 6816s | much |
| 6817s | glad you're having fun |
| 6820s | uh the wow battleground hack was about |
| 6822s | turning big obnoxious effects like |
| 6824s | hunter bat into a tiny thing so they |
| 6826s | could see beyond it yeah okay uh while |
| 6829s | the default setup would be a screen full |
| 6831s | of bat uh just wondering what your view |
| 6833s | on it um as we go into multiplayer pvp |
| 6837s | um |
| 6842s | i think if there if people find a way to |
| 6845s | abuse something like that |
| 6847s | uh i we'd be much more inclined to take |
| 6850s | it more seriously |
| 6852s | um |
| 6853s | i mean now we've had this conversation |
| 6854s | i'll probably go look and see if there's |
| 6856s | room for it to happen and it'll probably |
| 6858s | we'll probably have a lot more on the |
| 6860s | radar type thing um |
| 6864s | but i don't think there's any major |
| 6865s | opportunities to gain huge advantages in |
| 6868s | the primary game modes |
| 6871s | and i think this ties back into what |
| 6873s | lizard was saying about people bought |
| 6875s | when there's a reason for it people do |
| 6876s | things like that when's the reason for |
| 6877s | it i don't think there's a big reason |
| 6879s | for it |
| 6880s | um |
| 6883s | yeah i wasn't right about the |
| 6885s | exact reason but |
| 6887s | what i was saying earlier i think stands |
| 6889s | because um |
| 6892s | well there's a big reason for it you |
| 6894s | know |
| 6896s | um it's it's actually something we it's |
| 6898s | kind of the inverse of that is kind of |
| 6899s | true of something we've been considering |
| 6901s | about pvp and and why you see |
| 6903s | interesting um what i think is |
| 6905s | interesting mechanics with regards to it |
| 6907s | in the um |
| 6909s | the rogue arena champion fight |
| 6911s | where um where the where the the arena |
| 6914s | champions decoy drops unique items that |
| 6917s | you can only get by killing the decoy |
| 6919s | um |
| 6921s | and i'm realizing that might not be in |
| 6922s | the game right now and i didn't didn't |
| 6924s | just say that uh i swear no |
| 6928s | um |
| 6930s | the the the ruins and glyphs that it |
| 6931s | drops when you kill it |
| 6933s | so it's like it's things that |
| 6936s | don't work in pvp that we're trying to |
| 6938s | add meta systems to um |
| 6940s | [Music] |
| 6942s | just jokes folks don't worry |
| 6944s | um the meta systems to |
| 6948s | uh |
| 6949s | don't okay just just just to be clear do |
| 6951s | not go kill the the decoy bajillion |
| 6953s | times you won't get a unique item okay |
| 6958s | please do not do that i'm really not |
| 6961s | trying to waste anyone's time because |
| 6963s | you will just have a lot of |
| 6964s | disappointment and it'll suck |
| 6966s | okay |
| 6971s | now i don't know how to uh |
| 6973s | convince you of this because i feel like |
| 6974s | the more i try and tell you that it's |
| 6976s | not real people will be like yeah gem |
| 6977s | activated all over again exactly |
| 6980s | there's there's there's an actual thing |
| 6982s | like go google it it's there frederick |
| 6984s | explains exactly what that is |
| 6987s | i watched him on stream with his wife |
| 6989s | talk about that |
| 6991s | and explained exactly what it was |
| 6994s | uh anyways |
| 6996s | um yeah this is that it's nothing |
| 6998s | anyways what am i trying to get we have |
| 7000s | looked at interesting systems to make |
| 7001s | things that are kind of useless in pvp |
| 7003s | that are similar so like |
| 7005s | um |
| 7010s | and and things will have to get |
| 7011s | rebalanced for pvp as we go |
| 7014s | anyways |
| 7037s | rubber banding happens occasionally oh |
| 7038s | okay like i remember's |
| 7040s | on a completely different continent so |
| 7042s | it probably happens to him a lot more |
| 7043s | than it does to me |
| 7053s | easy |
| 7055s | said we get a unique from killing decoy |
| 7057s | let's do it boys |
| 7060s | oh gosh |
| 7061s | the can of worms of which i have now |
| 7063s | opened shall not be closed like such a |
| 7066s | box before it pandora wept |
| 7069s | um |
| 7071s | in the context of the latest peewee |
| 7073s | patch how does last epoch deal i'll be |
| 7075s | honest i've not been paying attention to |
| 7076s | the last patch from poe at all i'm sorry |
| 7079s | i've been so busy |
| 7080s | uh how does last epoch deal with things |
| 7082s | like limiting the stacking of different |
| 7085s | game systems modifying enemies as well |
| 7087s | as on death effects um |
| 7090s | we do |
| 7092s | i i think there's a question in there |
| 7094s | that i need more information to answer |
| 7096s | uh |
| 7097s | and i don't know how to answer it i'm |
| 7098s | sorry |
| 7107s | it was probably something that happened |
| 7109s | that i missed |
| 7111s | that would be good to know about |
| 7115s | i just had a really pesky bug |
| 7125s | let's see if we can figure it out uh |
| 7128s | how does last epoch |
| 7130s | deal with things like limiting the |
| 7132s | stacking of different game systems |
| 7135s | modifying enemies as well as things like |
| 7137s | on death effects so i think that |
| 7138s | i if i'm gonna guess what this is about |
| 7140s | it's about |
| 7141s | uh |
| 7142s | if you if you if you have |
| 7145s | like an enemy that can have six |
| 7147s | different debuffs on it but you try and |
| 7148s | place 10 different debuffs on it how do |
| 7150s | we decide which one's on it |
| 7154s | that sort of thing or like |
| 7156s | um |
| 7157s | something dies and there's four on death |
| 7158s | effects how do we determine what order |
| 7160s | it goes in like how do you order the |
| 7161s | stack so to speak |
| 7162s | um |
| 7165s | usually it'll be in a first in first out |
| 7167s | system |
| 7169s | so if you apply |
| 7171s | um |
| 7172s | say there's like |
| 7173s | six dots you apply to something and |
| 7176s | uh they all have an on death different |
| 7178s | on death trigger they'll go in the order |
| 7180s | they were applied |
| 7184s | the context i think is basically that |
| 7186s | they reworked the rare monster modifiers |
| 7188s | this patch |
| 7189s | and it broke a lot of previous patch |
| 7190s | content because it wasn't designed plus |
| 7192s | modifiers of mine oh i'm completely way |
| 7194s | off yeah i heard about that i totally |
| 7195s | forgot about that sorry um yeah because |
| 7198s | they pulled a lot of the more generic |
| 7200s | monster modifiers out and replace them |
| 7202s | with more sort of like |
| 7204s | um in-depth ones that have like specific |
| 7206s | names |
| 7208s | i think |
| 7209s | so what happens i need to pay attention |
| 7210s | more to to this patch apparently |
| 7214s | um added a bunch of you killed a thing |
| 7216s | and now that you're looting it it will |
| 7218s | explode in your face gotcha plus they |
| 7220s | added a bunch of new modifiers that |
| 7222s | combine into some flash speed ultra |
| 7224s | hitting immortal things that completely |
| 7226s | disable builds um |
| 7228s | i mean |
| 7229s | if |
| 7230s | we're right at the end of the stream |
| 7231s | here i'd love to uh |
| 7234s | i'd love to get in deeper on this poe |
| 7236s | got a bunch of backlash for adding |
| 7237s | immunities and people raged okay it's it |
| 7240s | sounds a little bit like there's just |
| 7242s | some um some some bouncing problems |
| 7245s | maybe at worst that's kind of what i'm |
| 7247s | getting from this um |
| 7255s | the question |
| 7257s | limiting stacking of different game |
| 7258s | systems modifying enemies |
| 7260s | uh okay so like conflict we okay here |
| 7263s | i've actu i actually have an answer for |
| 7264s | this |
| 7266s | we have um i bet peop does the exact |
| 7269s | same thing there's probably just some |
| 7270s | stuff that needs to be tweaked in this |
| 7271s | um |
| 7272s | we have pools of mods that uh conflict |
| 7276s | with each other so um |
| 7279s | uh there's like up like the the really |
| 7281s | simple version of this is you look at an |
| 7282s | item and there's like a prefix and a |
| 7284s | suffix |
| 7286s | um like items directly do this actually |
| 7288s | it's the same thing items and monster |
| 7289s | mods are identical really when it comes |
| 7290s | to this there's so there's a prefix |
| 7292s | there's prefixes and suffixes only |
| 7293s | prefix go in the prefix pool and stuff |
| 7294s | because it's going to suffix pool |
| 7295s | there's a limited number of prefixes and |
| 7297s | suffixes that can that can exist |
| 7298s | simultaneously and some prefixes and |
| 7300s | some suffixes aren't mutually exclusive |
| 7302s | such that um you can't put a rogue only |
| 7305s | uh prefix on the same item that has a |
| 7308s | sentinel only prefix on it because they |
| 7311s | have to go on rogue or sentinel-only |
| 7313s | bases |
| 7315s | um but then even more than that there |
| 7316s | are some that only will go into helmets |
| 7318s | and some that will only go on two relics |
| 7320s | and they're once again mutually |
| 7321s | exclusive that way so there's different |
| 7323s | things that limit how what items they |
| 7324s | can go on simultaneously um and monster |
| 7327s | mods do basically the same thing where |
| 7329s | there's certain mods that can appear as |
| 7330s | prefixes certain mods that can appear as |
| 7332s | suffixes and certain mods that are |
| 7333s | mutually exclusive with each other um |
| 7335s | and and that's unfortunately it's |
| 7337s | something that needs to be curated on an |
| 7338s | individual level when you get a lot of |
| 7340s | them like p we probably has um |
| 7343s | some can squeak through that cause |
| 7344s | problems it's a similar that happened to |
| 7346s | d3 actually |
| 7348s | um |
| 7351s | earlier early on when you when you would |
| 7352s | get um |
| 7354s | really deep and there'd be like |
| 7356s | chaining walling arcane enchanted |
| 7360s | enemies and you're just like there's |
| 7362s | nowhere i can run |
| 7363s | you know like |
| 7365s | um like fire chains walling and you're |
| 7367s | just like |
| 7369s | i was just flipped off the camera twice |
| 7372s | because that's how i feel about it |
| 7374s | um yeah |
| 7377s | and then they they they did the exact |
| 7378s | same system and it it became fine really |
| 7383s | before i end the stream interview one |
| 7384s | and ten |
| 7385s | uh i'm gonna go with nine |
| 7389s | because uh |
| 7390s | gordy howe |
| 7393s | one of the best occupiers ever live |
| 7396s | uh this month's review or summary coming |
| 7399s | out soon |
| 7400s | uh i don't know |
| 7401s | hopefully |
| 7403s | everyone just gets into nine subs of the |
| 7404s | channel thank you very much are weird |
| 7407s | that's a great note to go out on uh |
| 7408s | we're a little bit over time i hope |
| 7410s | everyone had a ton of fun thank you very |
| 7412s | much |
| 7414s | um |
| 7416s | don't worry about picking poe as a |
| 7417s | baseline that's totally fine i really |
| 7419s | should be more in tune with it but i get |
| 7421s | spend too much time working sometimes |
| 7424s | uh last thing here so groups of mods |
| 7426s | can't go together awesome this |
| 7427s | completely answers my question cool yeah |
| 7429s | um |
| 7430s | i had a great time i had a lot of fun i |
| 7432s | hope you did too |
| 7433s | thanks for stopping by let's go find |
| 7435s | something to do |