[2022] Developer Stream 8.26.22 | Last Epoch | Last Epoch Dev Tracker

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3s	good afternoon everybody welcome back to
5s	the last epoch devstream
8s	as always
11s	i'm your host mike
13s	hello
14s	how's it going everybody we're gonna
16s	we're gonna keep playing some last epoch
18s	and uh
20s	having some fun answer some questions so
22s	if you're here for that you're in the
23s	right place
25s	if this is your first time here
27s	welcome glad to have you with us
29s	uh if you have any questions for me
31s	please put an at last epoch game in
33s	front of the question and i will be
34s	happy to answer it
36s	all of our streaming is for charity and
38s	this month's charity today's last day
39s	for it is pause with the cause where
41s	they make
43s	uh make they teach
45s	uh puppies to be to be uh
48s	guide dogs in of various
50s	capacities specific to certain people
54s	i think's pretty cool
57s	oh let's go this one
60s	hey aaron how's it going right from the
61s	start today don't really see this early
67s	i'm still playing my bow mage build i
69s	i've i've got another build like
71s	90 ready to go and i just like didn't
74s	quite get it ready
76s	uh so we're we're doing it next week
78s	sorry
79s	i'm having a ton of fun with this one so
81s	it's okay thank you very much taharios
82s	we sub for 16 months in a row
86s	that's that's
87s	that's pretty epic
89s	glad to have you here
93s	glad to have you with us all right
96s	do you have some corruption let's start
98s	off with the
99s	start with the shade of orbis kill
100s	right off the bat first thing
110s	what are we gonna get what are we gonna
111s	get
117s	shade
134s	spicy
146s	come on guys leave me alone
151s	right you go through them and then they
152s	trigger
153s	remember how these work don't worry
155s	can you trigger them off that
157s	nope just me
172s	that was pretty easy
174s	another ring unless it's highly we do
176s	not need it
179s	works for me though
185s	oh build that i'm working on for next
186s	week is
188s	um i'm gonna do a
190s	uh holy trail javelin
194s	sentinel paladin
209s	and you picked the right day to come
210s	live though i've got i got some stuff to
213s	share today
219s	so much so
224s	we're gonna do an early one
233s	there might be a theme
243s	yeah how's everybody's week's been going
244s	i know we're still this is probably
246s	gonna be a pretty light one today
247s	anyways because we're still early days
250s	of the poe league
251s	which is totally fine
253s	so you just get to hear me ramble and
255s	ramble and [ __ ] chat a whole bunch
261s	what's going on with me i'm going to
262s	play magic tonight oh excited yes
266s	i haven't done that in
267s	oh three weeks now
271s	maybe a month even
280s	got a new black red blue vampire deck
282s	that i'm
283s	working on
290s	it's not very good but it's fun
302s	this build's so smooth this feels so
304s	smooth i was considering setting up a um
307s	like a dragon song cinder strike um the
311s	like decoy bomber
313s	i don't know what the build is actually
314s	called these days uh type build for knit
316s	for this week um and i actually have
318s	that one set up but it was just so
319s	similar to this and it honestly didn't
321s	play quite as much as i liked like this
323s	one i like the way it played more so i
325s	just
326s	canned that and tried to quickly make
327s	the javelin trail and
329s	it was uh
331s	didn't quite get finished
337s	doing all these builds for the streams
338s	has made me want to improve our like
341s	dev mode tools because because i still
343s	have to like drop a bunch of items to
345s	find the thing i want
355s	like yeah the gear that i have for these
356s	is not like just me picking stats and
359s	creating them it's like i'm still going
360s	through the process of dropping gear and
362s	crafting on and everything
376s	the path as we set for five months in a
378s	row hello from sweden karlstad
384s	hello
388s	i don't know if you watch
390s	the
392s	weird weird thing last week the week
394s	before there was the world junior hockey
395s	championships
396s	so we had a pretty good showing as usual
398s	they did way better than the round robin
400s	than in the uh
402s	in the tournament play at the end
404s	i don't know what it is they're they're
405s	around robin plays sweden's round robin
406s	playing the world junior hockey
407s	championships is insane
410s	they're like
411s	52-3 or 52-2 or something like that 52
415s	wins and two loss something ridiculous
417s	like that in the last however many years
419s	it's been
420s	and and like there's only like two
422s	titles to speak up in that in that range
425s	like two two wins or one winners it's i
428s	don't know what it is
429s	but in the round play they just crush
432s	everyone
436s	i like weird statistics like that so
440s	julian it's been a really good game
441s	against finland
443s	that's i mean sweden is always a great
444s	game
456s	and usually this tournament happens in
458s	between christmas and new year's and so
460s	it was a real treat getting the summer
469s	we got yeah maybe i just haven't found
471s	it they'll be humming me already today
483s	okay i'm going to as soon as this one's
485s	done
486s	i'm going to show a little clip
488s	not enough
515s	looks like there was a little confusion
517s	on how to get
518s	how to actually make a legendary uh work
520s	in the uh
522s	the end of the dungeon yeah so if anyone
523s	doesn't know you have to actually do a
525s	time travel event
526s	um
527s	it kind of hints at it tries to tell you
529s	sneaky where it says like
530s	go back in time to do it and the like
532s	the ability you have in the dungeon is
534s	traveling through time
536s	it's sort of like it's been the dungeon
537s	teaches you what you need to do at the
538s	end or tries to anyways
540s	might need to be more explicit because
541s	we do see that question come up here
542s	once in a while
544s	but here okay let's start off with a
547s	classic
550s	here is a little peek at a new an old
554s	ability that has been revamped to look
558s	pretty nice
565s	so the visuals specifically looking at
567s	the actual totem itself is what the new
569s	thorn totem model looks like
572s	so you can see like the little spikey
573s	bits going into that better vfx and
575s	everything
580s	do one more time
590s	so we're we're in the process of
594s	uh so a lot of our totems
596s	up until now have uh have basically just
599s	been the same model with a couple things
601s	slapped on like literally just taking
603s	some models from other things and just
604s	been like attach it to the model
608s	go
610s	um and so like all the totems were
612s	basically the same model with just like
614s	a color shift or
617s	a couple spikes sticking out of it you
618s	know um
621s	okay look at the server key so we're
622s	taking some time to
624s	improve the quality of the models a
626s	little bit
627s	um give them some better vfx give this
630s	better animation it's just sort of a
631s	general polish pass that we're doing on
633s	uh on a lot of different things and this
635s	is a neat one that i thought we'd share
638s	and it feels like a leak for you yeah
641s	just for you no one else everyone else
643s	should close your eyes
653s	seems like the 0.9 update will be bulky
655s	i mean the the main thing is still
656s	multiplayer that's the
658s	that's the big thing but we're doing a
659s	lot of other little stuff too oh this is
660s	a cool this is a cool idol if you've
661s	ever seen this before
663s	um this is one of one of three unique
665s	idols um it's a single slot one so
668s	um
669s	if you have only one of them equipped
672s	uh you do more hit damage
675s	uh but you can't crit
679s	yeah sort of uh
680s	if you're not stacking crit but you're
682s	going a hit build anyways
684s	it could be really good
686s	it's free damage we're not leaving
689s	damage on the table are we
698s	um affixes ah
703s	we're probably gonna do a uh
707s	we're doing these legendaries there's
708s	another legendary i can make
711s	easy just for fun
715s	i like making legendaries
725s	it is warm in here i gotta keep the door
727s	closed because the little one's sleeping
730s	don't make too much noise
739s	easy too easy gotta stay hydrated
743s	oh
745s	can't wait till the warlock yeah it's
746s	gonna be a while there uh still
758s	uh in regards to combat feel
759s	improvements for patch point nine
761s	on how big of a scale can we expect
764s	combat feel improvements uh that's
766s	that's a tough question to answer i mean
768s	um
768s	a lot of stuff's getting
772s	changes and updates it's it's a ton of
774s	little things
776s	um
777s	so like ev every single enemy in the
779s	game has had
781s	changes done to its
783s	uh
784s	combat feel
785s	both in the way it attacks and the way
787s	it takes damage
789s	um
791s	tons of abilities have had vfx
793s	improvements
794s	this is a cool gloves actually just got
796s	these in uh
798s	play online and i just just picked up
800s	these gloves actually
802s	funny
806s	so it's it's like
808s	it's not really like one big thing
809s	that's gonna happen
811s	um
812s	but
813s	like
815s	it's so many little things that it's
816s	it's different for everyone so i've seen
818s	some people be like i can't really tell
819s	the difference
820s	um which is rare but i have heard that
823s	by someone once um
825s	but most people i think uh
827s	it's if all together it feels pretty big
830s	like you see individual little things
832s	side by side where we're testing like
833s	one element of it and you're like looks
835s	really similar and then like once it all
837s	comes together you're like my goodness
840s	and all the clips today i've got a
841s	couple more clips today as well um that
843s	relates to combat improvements just in
845s	general uh to show off a few specific
847s	elements of that and how it looks
852s	maybe i can try and find something
854s	similar
855s	in live to compare it to right now that
858s	would be good ideas do
860s	there's actually some enemies here that
861s	are similar
869s	uh
870s	burger daddy is subbed thank you very
872s	much burger daddy
875s	glad to have you with us
877s	i could go for a burger right now
885s	i might make burgers tomorrow
892s	yeah thank you for deciding my dinner
894s	tomorrow night
901s	uh
902s	can you talk about what last epoch
904s	leagues i think you call them cycles yes
906s	are going to be like at all or something
908s	you kept under the wrap still i mean so
910s	it's it's tricky so it's not really
912s	something we're keeping under wraps so
913s	to speak but more of the sense that we
915s	don't have any concrete details
917s	decided on yet
918s	um
919s	so there's there's nothing that's like
922s	it's specifically gonna have these
923s	elements so like uh here's a good
925s	example our like when we have a dungeon
927s	we have to find properties that have a
929s	dungeon so dungeon is now this is
931s	tangential but a dungeon is um there's a
934s	specific extra ability that goes with
936s	the d key there's a specific mechanic
938s	that that interacts with in the dungeon
940s	uh it's usually two floors pseudo random
942s	generation
944s	um there's and then there's a boss at
946s	the end and then there's some sort of
947s	unique reward after that so it's it like
950s	like that's that's the definition of a
952s	dungeon framework there's no i can't
954s	give you like a definition framework for
956s	what a cycle is going to be
958s	um
960s	and
962s	the the goal is is definitely to get
964s	them closer to something like more
966s	similar to what poe does if we're
969s	looking at like d3 and poe is good um
971s	comparison examples
973s	uh on that spectrum of d3 to poe it's
976s	like closer to poe
978s	um
979s	but obviously they have a huge team uh
983s	and and we always like to do things our
985s	own way so it's it's hard to describe
987s	exactly what it's going to be it's just
988s	the best way i can relate to something
989s	that is
990s	uh
992s	known
994s	so like well we'll be looking at
996s	obviously maybe not obviously but things
999s	like balance changes that you'd see in
1001s	just about any major patch um
1003s	like new unique items possibly new
1006s	skills possible like it's just sort of
1008s	more stuff we're gonna add to the game
1010s	sort of in every category maybe maybe
1012s	there's uh maybe maybe hypothetically
1015s	maybe there's a
1016s	um
1017s	a cycle that like adds some new dungeons
1019s	and there's like a new mechanic that
1020s	goes with all the dungeons or something
1022s	like that or maybe there's a cycle that
1024s	like adds a new end game system
1027s	you know or maybe there's a cycle that
1028s	like completely shuffles
1031s	the islands in the uh in the in the
1034s	monolith and like like i don't know like
1037s	corrupt some of them or something like
1038s	that or like adds a new one it takes one
1040s	away or something that like mixes that
1042s	up in some way maybe there's one that's
1044s	like like things like that of that
1046s	nature
1048s	these are literally things i'm just
1049s	making up right now
1050s	um
1051s	that style
1054s	we're trying we're trying to add new
1055s	content to the game
1057s	in in each cycle so that it changes the
1059s	experience for you
1061s	hopefully for the better
1066s	you give me new stuff to do new stuff to
1067s	find new stuff to kill new stuff
1087s	all right takes the answer you're
1088s	welcome
1091s	will i see [ __ ] have league content
1092s	anytime soon maybe so sorry we also
1094s	don't know
1096s	um because of the structure of leagues
1099s	so to speak like the first league is
1101s	just launch really
1103s	you know
1104s	um
1110s	how fast we can get another league out
1111s	after that is
1113s	unclear
1114s	um
1116s	we've we've been trying to so for the
1118s	last couple years we've basically been
1119s	doing a patch every three months or so
1122s	and pretty big patches that i would
1123s	suggest are
1124s	uh close to the size that you'd be
1126s	looking at for a
1128s	a cycle really
1132s	just and part of that was because we
1134s	wanted to to learn what it was like to
1136s	be on this tight dilemma schedule that
1138s	that needed to be constantly changing
1140s	and all these sorts of things and
1142s	and so we wanted to practice for that
1145s	um
1150s	yeah
1152s	but i don't know when we'll see it we
1153s	like a lot of that's going to be decided
1156s	based on how things go so like
1159s	how the next ct multiplayer test goes
1161s	will determine when the open multiplayer
1164s	testing starts and how that goes will
1165s	determine when
1168s	um
1169s	like 0.9 releases and when when that
1172s	uh how well that goes we'll determine
1175s	how fast 1.0 releases you know like all
1177s	these types of things are
1179s	uh dependent on how well the thing
1180s	before it goes
1185s	like we may we may get to
1187s	uh releasing the the first
1190s	like one point of launch and go okay we
1192s	need a few months to settle things down
1193s	a bit before we can actually start
1195s	getting cycle content in so what maybe
1197s	or maybe things go great we're just like
1198s	yeah let's go
1201s	you know
1207s	this is this is it's so interesting so
1208s	i've already gotten used to it i just
1210s	looked at the staff and when something's
1211s	wrong here that doesn't make any sense
1212s	and it's i've already gotten used to it
1214s	it's been like a week that it's been in
1216s	in the
1217s	um
1217s	back-end version where
1219s	the melee
1222s	where you see fun fact if you alt tab
1225s	uh when you're in game it will leave the
1228s	item tooltips on screen and see i can
1229s	move my cursor around and the item
1231s	tooltip stays there so you can take easy
1232s	screenshots
1234s	but this melee physical damage
1238s	the the physical is gone it just does
1240s	melee damage and the adaptive spell
1241s	damage the adaptive's gone it just says
1243s	spell damage and they they both work the
1245s	way that adaptive spell damage works now
1247s	it just says melee image and spell
1248s	damage now some of them do have specific
1251s	elements that go with them but
1253s	almost every single one of them is just
1256s	generic now uh it makes buildings so
1258s	much more like it opens up so many
1261s	things that um i get why we did it
1264s	initially but it wasn't working for what
1266s	we did why we wanted it initially and
1269s	i'm really glad that we did this
1273s	really glad let's go get some keys
1277s	all right next question
1278s	oh jen's here hi john
1283s	he's pretty dead he's a great name
1294s	if you are asking questions don't forget
1296s	to put at last the [ __ ] game in the
1297s	question here this one that i did see is
1299s	the game going to the same place price
1300s	on release as it is now
1302s	currently we have no plans to change the
1304s	price structure of the game
1306s	um
1310s	i can't guarantee that nothing changes
1313s	up or down but uh right right now our
1315s	plan is and i'd be really shocked if it
1317s	changed i just don't want to promise
1319s	something that i don't really have
1320s	control over
1322s	but yeah like it's
1324s	we have no plans on changing the pricing
1326s	structure
1329s	we've we've been through a few uh we've
1331s	been through a lot of planning with it
1333s	over the last few years and we're really
1334s	happy with where it is
1343s	helmet
1344s	not happening
1346s	all right lots of questions here uh do
1348s	you have power creep in the back of your
1349s	head when you add new stuff to the game
1351s	absolutely uh and any idea how to avoid
1353s	it we should do so for example d3 and pv
1355s	both suffer greatly from it
1357s	power creep's a really tricky thing um
1359s	because they're by no means the only
1361s	games in the world that that that suffer
1362s	from this like it happens in everything
1364s	i was
1365s	um
1367s	one of my friends telling me references
1369s	to magic a little bit um
1371s	one of my friends has a magic deck that
1374s	requires creatures that have one power
1377s	so really small creatures
1378s	um and anything that's more than one is
1381s	just useless
1383s	and
1384s	late and the most recent set that just
1386s	finished spoiling yesterday that's gonna
1387s	come out in a few weeks there's only two
1390s	creatures in the entire set that are the
1392s	right color that have one power only two
1395s	in the whole set
1397s	um
1399s	five years ago there would have been a
1401s	dozen you know
1403s	um it's just everything's just getting a
1404s	little bit bigger things that were one
1406s	one before or now two one or two two
1408s	like it's just like it's even just
1409s	getting a little bit stronger
1411s	and it happens it happens in in just
1413s	about every every game that gets
1415s	frequent updates like that it's really
1417s	tricky to avoid
1419s	um
1421s	and we've been trying like we've even
1423s	seen it a little bit with us already
1424s	um
1425s	like we added legendary items and
1428s	power levels went up we've we've been
1430s	we've we've had sort of a general plan
1432s	for power levels at 1.0 that we've been
1435s	aiming for since we started development
1437s	um and so like it's it seemed like power
1440s	creep but because like that's the point
1441s	we've been aiming for in the first place
1443s	it's it's actually what we always
1444s	intended to be the level so it's a
1446s	little a little weird um
1449s	but yeah the one of the ways that i
1451s	think power creep happens is
1453s	there's so many things that it's hard to
1456s	incorporate
1458s	new
1459s	mechanically interesting and different
1460s	things without just making them better
1463s	it's and it's really tricky to do that
1466s	um
1468s	i i think that we have one very distinct
1471s	advantage
1473s	um
1474s	over actually both poe and d3 is in that
1477s	a lot of the power
1480s	um
1481s	and we're trying to dial this back a
1483s	little bit but it's gonna be there
1484s	anyways is that a lot of a lot of
1486s	functionality and power is isolated to
1488s	specific skill trees so so this is not
1491s	directly connected to this in any way
1495s	um
1498s	and and because that we can make really
1500s	fine changes
1502s	um
1503s	like okay so a good example in poe if
1505s	they release a new support gem
1507s	it has to function well with every
1509s	single
1510s	maybe not everything because there's
1511s	always exceptions but with most of the
1514s	um
1515s	abilities that are out there like uh
1518s	there's like the greater multiple
1519s	projectiles or whatever um
1522s	what if they what if they if they added
1524s	a
1525s	mega multiple projectiles that was like
1528s	it's it's ten of them or something you
1530s	know um
1532s	and i look like an idiot they've already
1533s	done that i just didn't know about it
1534s	but anyways uh it it it affects the
1537s	balance of every single projectile
1539s	ability in the game
1541s	but whereas we we can just put it
1544s	on a single node in a single tree and it
1545s	only affects that tree
1548s	um so i think the compartmentalization
1550s	is a good tool for us
1552s	to be able to
1554s	balance um
1556s	and add new mechanics without
1558s	having to worry too much about knock-on
1559s	effects for power creep
1564s	and i think that's the key part of the
1565s	key is is having
1566s	mechanically unique and new things to
1568s	add
1569s	that aren't necessarily just more power
1571s	that's a good idea
1584s	do a bunch of questions here that should
1585s	probably catch up on so we're going to
1587s	do that oh run
1589s	uh well secondary question what uh what
1592s	form are you anticipating your online
1594s	platform to look like at this stage the
1596s	rpg market has quite a few online mode
1599s	versions there's poe d2 system where you
1601s	basically
1602s	where it's basically bubbled worlds
1604s	you have d4 coming out where it's shared
1606s	world concept or grim dawn's fully
1608s	instanced invite only online system um
1612s	i think the the most similar thing
1615s	uh
1618s	the most similar thing
1620s	will likely be path of exile i think
1624s	um
1629s	yeah because you're gonna be able to
1630s	you're like we're
1631s	we're planning on having town scenes
1633s	where you can see multiple people
1635s	um but having when you go into the world
1637s	it's instance
1640s	with just your party
1642s	can we hope for something to have a
1644s	weapon conversion mechanic similar to
1646s	javelin
1647s	or like how shurikens can be converted
1649s	to chakram for blade dancer uh like if
1652s	you deal with daggers then the skill
1653s	converts
1655s	uh them
1657s	into
1658s	i'm not even trying to pronounce that
1659s	adding chain related sub mechanic i mean
1662s	we do already have
1664s	things like that so i don't see why we
1666s	wouldn't
1667s	maybe add more
1669s	uh
1670s	like
1674s	there's no specific plans for that
1675s	specific thing but i mean that style of
1678s	mechanic is already in the game so i
1680s	don't see why you can add more things of
1681s	that style of mechanic i guess
1688s	oh could you guesstimate how many new
1690s	skills are coming in point nine if none
1692s	what about revamped skills so skills is
1694s	is
1695s	are pretty late in the development cycle
1697s	generally so
1699s	um
1701s	right now there's no new skills actively
1704s	that have been created yet
1706s	4.9
1707s	um
1710s	but that doesn't mean there won't be any
1712s	um
1720s	yeah it's been it's been a while it's
1721s	been so long since
1724s	uh since we had a patch recently i can't
1725s	remember like which skills have already
1727s	been reworked at all
1729s	there's been extremely light on skills
1732s	development in the last few months our
1733s	skills pipeline basically shut down for
1735s	a few
1736s	months um there's there's been a lot of
1740s	bug fixing
1741s	and
1742s	um like balanced tweaking i wanna say
1745s	not really revamping
1746s	um and there's been a lot of like
1750s	uh just making things more clear making
1753s	things work better
1754s	there's been a lot of little stuff like
1756s	that that has a huge impact when you put
1759s	it all together
1768s	yeah we just we just spun our skills
1770s	development back up last week
1773s	and it wasn't for the patch
1780s	wrong
1785s	all right hey mike how's your niggle my
1787s	hearing is going pretty good
1790s	i uh
1794s	which wasn't awesome but
1796s	a small child in the house you get up
1797s	early most days
1800s	um
1806s	fix it fix a couple problems that were
1808s	bugging me
1809s	this week already which is great
1815s	i've got a new new ui panel that i'm
1817s	working on that i was really hoping to
1819s	get done this week i don't think it's
1820s	gonna be finished it's a monday
1832s	how's your day going
1835s	that's what i want
1841s	oh
1842s	that's yup
1844s	just just chill out guys
1850s	get arnie in here
1851s	let's chill out
1856s	all right
1858s	i just wanted to say that i donated to
1859s	the kickstarter way back when i'm
1861s	absolutely stoked at how far the game's
1862s	gone
1863s	oh it's come a long way
1865s	oh i see some of the uh like footage
1868s	from like the kickstarter you go go back
1870s	and watch the kickstarter footage oh my
1872s	gosh it's terrible
1874s	like
1876s	just by comparison it was it was so cool
1878s	to be doing it at the time and like um i
1882s	was so thrilled with how it looked at
1883s	the time it was so great and i would go
1886s	back and look at and go my goodness what
1888s	are we thinking
1890s	um but i'm so happy everyone could see
1893s	could see what we saw and uh had faith
1895s	enough in us
1897s	to push the project forward because my
1900s	goodness that was a leap
1903s	sorry let's finish the question uh stop
1906s	to see how far it's going the entire
1907s	team has done a fantastic job if you
1908s	ever need a cloud engineer call up
1911s	burger daddy yeah
1914s	oh it's great great to have you with us
1917s	oh
1919s	yeah
1920s	great name
1921s	well
1922s	we always have uh job postings on our
1924s	site
1926s	let's see if one fits you
1928s	uh so do you guys ever thought about
1930s	making totems indestructible we have uh
1933s	and do you plan on having other class
1934s	that can use totems not specifically we
1937s	do try and keep
1939s	um
1940s	like class identity is really important
1942s	to us and and one of the one of the
1944s	defining class identities of like prime
1947s	list and shaman specifically is
1949s	totems as a mechanic
1951s	um
1952s	that theming everything that goes with
1954s	it
1956s	it would be pretty surprising if we did
1960s	uh totems on another class
1963s	uh i could see like the only way i'd see
1966s	totems on another class like likely
1967s	actually showing up
1969s	is um
1971s	in some sort of like item that could put
1973s	a totem down on any class or something
1975s	like that not happening um
1979s	that'd be like theme for shaman
1981s	and best on something but like you can
1982s	use it on anything
1984s	that sort of thing
1990s	or like give a shaman totem skills to
1992s	another class something like that might
1994s	be cool
1995s	but i i think you know shaman's sean is
1998s	the totem spec
2000s	at least for now
2002s	even even though like the other classes
2004s	that
2005s	we've
2007s	sort of talked about and said that we
2008s	liked more than the other
2010s	potential classes for follow-up classes
2012s	you know the one like nothing's set but
2014s	like the ones were like oh that's a
2016s	winner let's let's make sure to keep
2017s	that one on like write that one down
2019s	type thing none of them were totem
2020s	builds
2037s	we're going the wrong way
2039s	yes we are
2044s	nice
2045s	all right next question
2047s	[Music]
2051s	oh
2052s	what's the best way to provide feedback
2053s	about a whole bunch of things i'm
2054s	playing it for the first time for him
2055s	yes uh it's all in one post okay yes
2058s	don't split into different topics no no
2060s	i just want one post
2064s	yep that's the best way there's a
2065s	feedback section on the forums
2068s	uh i think there's a sticky
2070s	um
2071s	sticky post at the top of that with
2073s	advice on how to give good feedback
2077s	and i don't mean
2079s	positive feedback
2081s	but good quality feedback
2084s	which can very well be negative uh
2087s	like you can say things are bad
2096s	just i hope that's there
2098s	if not it should be
2102s	you're some people get alpha access to
2103s	the multiplayer patch to test it but
2105s	never really knew where to actually opt
2106s	into it yeah there's a community tester
2110s	program that's what we call it um
2113s	we run that
2114s	uh there's there's information on how to
2116s	um
2117s	apply for it on our website we do
2120s	uh like
2122s	accept people individually because there
2123s	is an nda for it um
2128s	yeah
2133s	hello i've heard carve is not working
2134s	full-time for you yes he is if we give
2136s	him some skill or build our class work
2138s	to to work on we can't blame it if so we
2142s	can blame him if we don't like it yeah
2143s	carve is a very active participant in
2146s	our skill design team has been for a
2149s	long time
2150s	um
2152s	he's
2153s	super duper knowledgeable
2156s	um
2158s	and and so frequently so someone look
2161s	it's like so freaking someone will come
2162s	with an idea um it's like oh what if we
2164s	do this and carl let's go that conflicts
2166s	with this can't do it
2168s	um
2170s	there's a few people carve uh
2178s	some hammering
2179s	uh
2182s	just let me see if that's
2183s	if that's the wife hammering
2191s	oh no kid's awake
2194s	kickstarter footage has multiplayer yes
2196s	it does have multiplayer in it um
2199s	that was that was our first
2201s	technically functional version of
2203s	multiplayer uh
2205s	that was uh
2207s	it's just a little bit of it and it's so
2209s	messed up
2210s	uh in that multiplayer when that was
2212s	happening um the only person that could
2215s	see
2216s	anything multiplayer happening
2218s	um
2219s	was me because i was recording that
2221s	and
2222s	everyone else couldn't see their own
2223s	abilities couldn't see themselves it was
2226s	just like they were playing completely
2227s	blind and they're just kind of running
2229s	and pressing buttons and hoping
2230s	something looks cool
2235s	it was it was very very janky and
2238s	stitched together at the last second
2240s	we're like that's the exact boats using
2241s	online
2243s	we we really need some sort of
2244s	multiplayer footage just get something
2245s	we can show at all just to prove we're
2247s	planning on trying to do it at least
2253s	and we've gone through several
2254s	iterations of multiplayer since then
2257s	and this one is by far the best
2260s	oh my goodness
2263s	not happening
2266s	easy too easy
2278s	all right
2281s	portal please
2282s	portal please
2287s	oh i had a question that came up in
2288s	discussion has there been any
2290s	consideration given towards probably uh
2294s	establishing something akin to a player
2296s	council that is created of players for
2298s	different demographics uh hardcore 60
2300s	plus hour players
2302s	um the two to three hours a night etc by
2305s	player council i'm referring partly to
2307s	something akin to eve online's method to
2309s	keep things between the player base
2312s	and the devs more civil um
2314s	i mean
2316s	we
2317s	it things like that have come up in
2318s	conversation
2320s	um
2321s	second piece of that set i've got today
2323s	there's
2324s	there's a few other other versions of it
2326s	that have come to have come up in
2328s	conversations um the old republic had a
2332s	oh no no it wasn't the republic it was
2335s	it was the old public some star wars
2337s	online game had
2338s	uh a really
2341s	interesting way of doing that
2343s	um
2346s	i i don't think there's
2350s	any need for it really right now
2352s	um
2356s	and i say this every time i stream but
2357s	oh i need to fix this so bad
2365s	stash some stuff
2369s	i don't know why i keep all this stuff i
2370s	do know why because i come back through
2372s	here when i'm setting up characters
2374s	and it makes life so much easier
2383s	we're gonna stash everything we're doing
2384s	it bye bye everything
2386s	let's find some new stuff
2389s	so there's galaxies that's totally it
2391s	yes
2392s	this is absolutely what i'm talking
2393s	about thank you
2400s	[Laughter]
2402s	your ocd goes a little bad you see my
2403s	stash that stash has not been cleared
2406s	out or organized in like four years
2414s	every like long-term bug that can exist
2416s	in the game
2417s	exists in that version of the stash
2420s	uh
2422s	it is so messed up it was it's the stash
2424s	that i used to
2426s	build the stash system so there's like
2428s	all sorts of messed up states that it
2430s	has of like things that just shouldn't
2432s	exist
2433s	uh it's terrible
2439s	all the labels are wrong
2442s	the search function's good enough that
2443s	it doesn't really matter
2452s	not happening
2454s	i do want to get more stuff in that
2456s	search function though
2457s	that's sort of like been on the back of
2458s	my mind to-do list for a long time now
2461s	is uh
2463s	stash upgrades i really want to do
2465s	something
2469s	probably do something when we actually
2471s	multiplies it because it's
2473s	it's still
2475s	in multiplayer it's it's even worse you
2476s	only get one stash dev right now
2478s	multiplayer
2479s	only one
2484s	it's a special challenge mode
2486s	called highlander tab mode
2489s	i'm kidding i just made that up
2494s	that would be that would be a good ring
2495s	for like uh
2497s	like a maelstrom build
2507s	explain stash upgrade sounds interesting
2509s	i i like
2511s	i don't have anything specific
2513s	sorry but like i don't know little
2515s	little things here and there just
2518s	so the um
2522s	the number of tiles is odd
2525s	i know that irks a lot of people
2528s	um
2529s	like that the height is odd
2532s	um with the sort button how it causes a
2535s	vertical column it causes vertical
2536s	columns to happen like
2538s	um
2539s	if you do this
2542s	um and it creates this vertical column i
2544s	want to do this instead
2547s	so it leaves bigger spaces for things
2549s	like this to go in
2552s	you know stuff like that
2553s	um
2556s	and then like maybe have like when you
2558s	well it does sort slightly differently
2560s	when you press it multiple times but
2561s	like more different ways that you can
2563s	force the sort and like
2565s	um
2566s	there's there's other features that
2567s	people have suggested which i i know we
2568s	want to get in eventually but it's it'll
2570s	be a long time before they happen so
2571s	things like
2572s	uh tab affinity or whatever where um
2575s	you'd say like put all my axes into this
2577s	tab you just like quick move and it just
2578s	like forces into specific tabs things
2580s	like that
2581s	um
2583s	it's it's a lot of like just quality of
2584s	life nice little things but it's
2587s	definitely not necessary and sort of uh
2590s	if we got time let's go for it
2594s	my goodness it is hot in here
2598s	door's getting open because i cannot
2600s	handle it
2603s	look on
2605s	it's just you and me now
2608s	i think we'll find a question i can
2609s	ramble on about while i'm doing this
2613s	beside bizarre still a thought like the
2615s	idea no
2616s	we're not doing that right now
2618s	i saw player council in other games it's
2621s	not that good last time i saw
2623s	that in dead by daylight bad bad idea
2625s	from council i'll explain snatch up any
2628s	quality of life changes coming from 0.9
2629s	i can share no
2635s	possible get that t-shirt probably
2638s	um
2643s	oh we're doing some damage here
2650s	there is i know we've struggled with
2653s	physical merch fulfillments for quite a
2655s	while
2657s	um
2659s	ow
2660s	that was my face buddy
2664s	and um
2667s	i know that's finally getting
2669s	for a long time all of the
2672s	um every single like t-shirt or playmats
2676s	or
2677s	like anything physical that got sent out
2679s	to anyone was like
2681s	mailed out
2683s	by
2685s	the
2685s	game director's wife
2689s	herself and uh
2694s	i think that just recently changed
2697s	um i don't know if we've got like a
2699s	proper like merch fulfillment system set
2701s	up yet
2706s	i have no idea how she got
2709s	so many of them out as fast as she did
2711s	with
2713s	like
2714s	everything else going on my goodness
2717s	but uh
2721s	i i think it's really good that we've
2723s	got a dedicated system for it coming
2729s	is so many plans to change how crit
2731s	works um there's there's some some plans
2735s	we've had for a while to change how
2737s	um you build crit
2740s	it's kind of the best way i can describe
2742s	it but not how it functions
2749s	now
2773s	oh mid backflips
2796s	see that we you can see him
2799s	so i have not been doing very well this
2800s	time but if you can see him starting to
2801s	do the sweep attack
2803s	you can get him to like to do the the
2806s	beam
2808s	gaze in the opposite direction that you
2809s	are so you can get him to do it away
2810s	from you if you move the opposite
2812s	direction that he's going to be going
2814s	as he started it because once he started
2816s	it he won't change the direction he's
2818s	going
2821s	mana
2824s	we don't do lightning damage so like
2826s	shock and lightning red shred are so
2829s	useless um
2831s	what do we do what am i talking about
2836s	i mean cold is our primary damage source
2845s	but the man i might actually just
2846s	because yeah we do mostly cool i'm just
2847s	going to take the mana
2849s	i do have mana problems
2853s	oh no luvian that sounds like fun
2859s	oh
2859s	[Music]
2867s	so no trade between players not what i
2869s	said at all
2871s	um
2874s	what oh i didn't
2880s	what
2882s	mike what are you doing
2889s	yeah whatever
2891s	oh yeah
2893s	let's go to this one
2895s	you know what boss kill boss kill
2899s	deserves uh a thematically appropriate
2903s	little teaser a little teaser
2909s	ah
2910s	storm totem
2919s	yeah it like breathes
2921s	yeah
2922s	this one's my favorite i think of the
2924s	new totems
2925s	um just because that little like a
2927s	little subtle animation
2942s	there big go
2947s	all right
2951s	are there any popular skills builds you
2953s	look at and say to yourself that's
2955s	pretty much perfectly balanced
2957s	um pretty much just curious what your
2958s	philosophy regarding skill balance um
2963s	i i don't think we've
2966s	really put too much thought into the
2969s	term perfectly balanced yet mostly just
2972s	because we're
2973s	like
2974s	we're adding so much so quickly still
2976s	that it's hard to say like that's
2977s	perfectly balanced
2979s	and
2986s	i would suggest that the builds
2989s	that
2992s	um
2995s	i i don't have a good example i'm sorry
2997s	the ones that
3002s	i i don't i don't know i don't answer
3003s	this question really um i want to like
3005s	say something abstract about
3007s	balance that's sort of like
3009s	the ones that use
3013s	multiple skills together to achieve
3015s	something new and interesting
3019s	kind of like this goal i'm playing right
3020s	now i think is is really good
3024s	not happening
3025s	um
3030s	the ones that are fun to play
3042s	there's always gonna be things that are
3043s	stronger than others that's just nature
3045s	the beast
3054s	trying to get as many things in that
3057s	like
3058s	category
3059s	it's it's so hard the definition so i
3062s	think i think let's think about this
3063s	more i think the hard part about it is
3065s	defining the term viable
3069s	um i think that's the hardest part about
3072s	creating balance in a game like this
3074s	is usually what you want to do is have
3076s	as many things
3077s	viable as possible
3082s	and
3085s	sometimes when i'm talking to people
3086s	about
3087s	balance in other games
3089s	um it feels like
3092s	the only builds that are viable are the
3096s	top tier builds so there's like
3098s	like str and a tier builds are viable
3101s	everything else is garbage it's like
3103s	it's the ricky bobby mentality of
3106s	uh balance in in some cases and
3111s	um
3112s	i i don't know if that's something we
3114s	can get away from
3115s	or not
3119s	so the goal is kind of trying to get as
3120s	many things into that
3122s	defined as viable category as possible
3127s	and it doesn't answer your question at
3129s	all and i'm sorry
3132s	hopefully that keeps him inside
3141s	um
3148s	i think the really good ones are ones
3150s	where there's variants of them where
3152s	it's like
3153s	uh here's here's the core build
3156s	and
3157s	uh you can you can take it you can you
3159s	can have this variant or that other
3160s	variant or this other variant and they
3162s	all work and they're all fun i think
3164s	those are the ones that are my favorites
3165s	as far as balance goes
3170s	where the decision on
3172s	how you're building it comes down to
3174s	your personal preference and style more
3176s	so than how much damage it does
3179s	or how fast it clears content
3184s	are there any popular oh that's the same
3186s	question now your development has been
3187s	going for many years yes
3189s	uh are you all still glad you went with
3192s	unity or do you wish you'd started in
3193s	another engine this is a question i get
3195s	like surprisingly frequently
3197s	um so i have a i have a canned response
3199s	for you i'm sorry
3200s	um
3202s	i have thought about this a bunch and
3204s	and my answer is just like a hard no
3206s	wait uh
3207s	big live yes hard yes i am glad
3211s	usually the question's worth the other
3212s	way it says do you wish you'd gone with
3213s	something else instead
3215s	oh you said in the second half oh sorry
3219s	uh
3220s	yes i'm glad we're with unity no i do
3222s	not wish we'd started another engine
3226s	um
3228s	i don't think we would have got to where
3231s	we are in another engine
3234s	um
3235s	there are a lot of advantages to other
3238s	engines and and there's a lot of
3240s	like really good arguments for saying
3243s	like we should have used engine a b or c
3247s	um or built our own or whatever like
3249s	there's a lot of really good arguments
3251s	for
3252s	all those other options
3254s	um
3255s	and i don't want to discredit any of
3257s	those arguments with with this but i
3259s	don't think that
3262s	um i don't think that last epoch would
3264s	exist the way it is today if if if the
3267s	decision hadn't been made to go with
3268s	unity
3271s	um
3272s	yeah
3275s	and maybe maybe it would maybe just be
3277s	very different maybe better even i don't
3279s	know but
3280s	um
3283s	it's like those movies where you like go
3284s	back in time and change something and
3286s	the consequences end up being way worse
3288s	than you ever could have imagined and
3290s	you try and fix something and it comes
3291s	way worse i feel like that's what would
3292s	end up happening like if i if you like
3294s	had time machine go back change it
3296s	i think it'd be like that unintended
3298s	effect of like oh my gosh things are so
3300s	much worse now
3309s	what are we doing
3310s	we're doing hands in the wrong keys
3315s	obligatory with his multiple questions
3316s	when it's ready
3320s	i need this i need a sound bite of that
3322s	but i can just hit a button
3329s	all right last question i can think of
3332s	for dev streams is this something you'd
3334s	intend to keep doing post launch ideally
3336s	um or is it mostly just an early access
3339s	thing i think something akin long term
3340s	would be awesome yeah we've we haven't
3343s	really
3344s	uh hard discussed it if we're gonna keep
3345s	doing this or not um i'm really down to
3348s	i have a ton of fun doing this um
3351s	i think post launch
3353s	i i like so if i'm gonna if i'm gonna
3355s	like look into my crystal ball if i'm
3357s	gonna read my palm
3359s	uh pump lines or whatever and
3362s	the future i'd suggest that likely
3364s	they'll be less frequent
3367s	so maybe every other week
3369s	type thing maybe maybe once a month but
3371s	longer
3372s	um
3374s	i don't know
3375s	but um i'd really like to keep doing it
3378s	the cadence that we're on is really nice
3379s	i have a ton of fun with it like there's
3381s	a lot of really great things about this
3383s	about doing this for me personally as a
3385s	developer that i really enjoy um
3390s	and i think it's i think that doing this
3392s	has improved my ability to develop last
3394s	epoch as a game
3396s	um
3398s	like on top of all of the awesome stuff
3400s	it does for the community as well but
3402s	just from a selfish point of view
3405s	um
3406s	oh 2lp rainbow edge look at that
3408s	uh yeah so i'm
3412s	i i'd like to keep doing it but i can't
3414s	say for sure because who knows what'll
3415s	happen
3422s	oh crimson uh shiro asks what are the
3426s	dev team's thoughts about set items
3428s	currently
3430s	there's that's not a loaded question at
3432s	all
3433s	um
3434s	[Laughter]
3435s	do you think they're fine where they are
3437s	they could expand it upon in some way no
3439s	they need they need some love i don't
3441s	know what that means or what that looks
3442s	like right now but now they need some
3444s	love
3447s	uh well back i thought i heard talk
3449s	about a new model for lich is that still
3451s	planned uh we we had talked about it i
3453s	think it'll still happen there's nothing
3454s	that's been uh created for it yet
3467s	uh what happens to 0.9 characters when
3468s	it leaves early access 1.0 um
3471s	like so this is the plan this is one of
3472s	those things where it's like the plan is
3474s	this but it could change um so the plan
3476s	right now is to put them into a
3478s	quote-unquote standard league um
3482s	where they would would not be
3485s	like where things things would be
3486s	restarting and so we're not home center
3488s	if that's going to happen this is sorry
3490s	this goes back to the
3491s	cycle start date question that we had
3493s	earlier whereby
3495s	if 1.0 launch marks the start of a new
3499s	cycle
3501s	um
3503s	it's
3504s	it's possible sorry it's so tricky on on
3507s	how to wear this uh properly but there's
3511s	so there's there's
3512s	there's the 0.9 characters
3515s	um and once the first cycle starts the
3518s	0.9 characters will be moved into a
3520s	standard leaf
3522s	that's a good way to word it um
3525s	those
3526s	uh those characters
3528s	might be
3531s	character
3532s	new character when 1.0 launches
3535s	new characters created 1.0
3538s	might
3539s	possibly be in that new cycle
3542s	they might possibly be in their own sort
3544s	of like temp cycle limbo state they
3547s	might possibly be created with 0.9
3550s	characters in the standard league um
3552s	it's sort of unclear when the timing on
3554s	that happens so
3557s	um we the key thing is we don't want to
3559s	delete characters we don't want we don't
3561s	want to
3562s	take stuff that you've worked on and
3563s	just remove it completely however we
3565s	would like to have a
3568s	um equal footing start with people who
3571s	pick up the game at launch because the
3573s	early access isn't for everyone
3576s	um so we don't want to give so the the
3578s	advantage we want to give to early
3579s	access players is the knowledge and
3581s	experience that they gain by playing the
3583s	game not the progress that they've made
3585s	on those characters when starting fresh
3587s	alongside 1.0 purchased accounts
3593s	but we don't want to delete their
3594s	characters so we want to keep them in
3595s	the standard league as well
3598s	so you can still play them if you want
3602s	i know that was rambly and i hope
3605s	it explained it right if you're confused
3606s	still
3607s	as i expect many of you probably are
3609s	from that um please feel free to head on
3611s	over to discord later and i'll type out
3613s	a more specific version if you want it
3615s	you can ask you can ask in that
3616s	ascendant channel we can give a more
3618s	specific version there might already be
3620s	a version in the um
3622s	uh the you can you can exclamation mark
3624s	multiplayer it'll probably just give you
3626s	a faq posting that probably hasn't
3628s	answered this question already
3630s	um
3631s	it might be as vague as i've just said
3633s	or maybe more vague even
3636s	and obviously it's subject to change
3639s	well hopefully obviously something to
3641s	change
3645s	look at that
3647s	take it
3650s	all the way to the bank
3654s	a random
3655s	ramdon tv
3657s	almost missed up there uh i bought the
3659s	game three days ago i can't stop playing
3661s	it
3662s	hopefully you can to like sleep and go
3664s	outside and things like that but other
3665s	than that
3666s	i'll keep the good work well uh will the
3669s	game be translated to brazilian
3671s	portuguese possibly um
3674s	we don't have we are translating the
3676s	game we are localizing the game sorry um
3680s	we don't have a set list of the specific
3683s	languages we're gonna do it in waves as
3685s	well so we'll start off with
3687s	like we still have to build the system
3689s	to let us localize the game properly
3690s	which oh my god is a lot of work um
3694s	some of the systems are set up for it
3695s	some of them aren't uh so we're still
3697s	working on that
3698s	but um the hardest thing is going to be
3700s	all the tooltips localizing every tool
3702s	tip my goodness that'll be hard
3704s	um
3706s	but we like that's in progress that's
3708s	all in progress
3709s	and um
3715s	like we've we've partnered with someone
3717s	that does
3719s	fantasy rpg game translations for other
3722s	other games and things like that already
3723s	so like
3725s	qualified people who
3727s	have experience doing this sort of thing
3729s	and have and can do it quickly
3732s	um
3734s	and
3737s	we're still building the systems to make
3739s	it possible for us to actually
3741s	implement that
3742s	and then um
3744s	we got to figure out which languages we
3745s	want to do first and we don't know which
3746s	language we want to do first yet um
3750s	but we'll probably do them in waves so
3751s	we'll start off with
3752s	a few languages like um we probably
3755s	won't do like
3759s	i'm trying to think of like a really
3760s	obscure language like
3762s	ancient ancient greek
3764s	or like um latin
3767s	latin probably won't be one of the first
3769s	languages
3771s	uh
3772s	that we do
3773s	but um
3774s	yeah we'll hopefully add more more and
3777s	more um
3780s	we do have a surprisingly large
3783s	contingent of um
3785s	people who work in the game that live in
3787s	brazil actually
3789s	already so that's pretty cool
3802s	i can feel on fridays for you
3805s	all right aaron sounds good
3806s	hold you to that
3808s	i was looking for a supporter back and
3809s	merch on the website can't find anything
3812s	uh oh
3817s	you can find it
3822s	if you go to our website last epoch.com
3826s	it's a shop now button in the top right
3830s	and that's it takes you right there
3840s	oh i just clicked something
3842s	i don't know what i just changed
3845s	thank you uh rammed on tv oh i missed
3847s	another one two 14 minutes ago
3849s	ah thank you very much
3851s	deviled
3852s	deviled dog b15 thank you for the twitch
3855s	prime sub glad to have you with us sorry
3857s	i missed that thank you very much and
3859s	ramdon tv has also subbed appreciate it
3862s	guys
3865s	happy to have y'all here glad you're
3867s	having fun
3873s	hopefully you've learned something
3876s	i know i have
3877s	i do every time
3881s	all right uh next question
3884s	uh you guys mentioned you plan uh i plan
3887s	on having
3888s	leagues like mpu oh uh
3892s	i don't know if i'm just really far
3893s	behind or if this is a follow-up
3894s	question or like a repeat question like
3896s	someone just joined part way through but
3898s	i'll try and give a real brief answer so
3900s	this is just are we gonna have leagues
3902s	and release the full game
3903s	um
3904s	maybe i don't know when they're gonna
3905s	start uh we will have leagues of some
3908s	sort we're calling them cycles um
3911s	it might start at 1.0 launch it might
3914s	start
3915s	uh week after 1.0 launch it might start
3917s	three months after 1.0 launch i don't
3918s	know when it's gonna start it'll uh
3920s	likely be pretty quick
3922s	um
3924s	it's pretty good
3929s	uh once multiplayer is launched do you
3930s	plan
3931s	to bring back the patch cycle to three
3933s	months we don't have a set hard timeline
3937s	on that yet
3938s	um
3939s	i i think that that's not an
3941s	unreasonable target to aim for
3944s	um
3947s	but we don't know it could be maybe it's
3949s	four months you know maybe it's three
3952s	and a half months maybe it's some other
3954s	number that i didn't just say there i
3955s	don't know
3956s	uh but yeah like a a shorter we do plan
3960s	on bringing back shorter patch cycles um
3962s	the current patch cycle is a
3965s	um
3966s	an exception
3968s	to what our goal is
3970s	and it was specifically to get
3971s	multiplayer in
3974s	it's a nice ring
3976s	um
3978s	just because you know
3979s	maybe you don't know about multiplayer
3981s	my goodness that's a complicated beast
3984s	i had no idea before starting
3986s	this game like it's a good thing that
3988s	i'm not the
3989s	network engineer developer because
3994s	my goodness those guys are brilliant and
4002s	give me 10 years and i'll i'll uh i'll
4003s	be able to do that
4012s	all right
4013s	get a little perch there
4016s	i'm talking quite a
4019s	bit will we ever see a poison hit skill
4022s	i mean ever's a long time
4025s	you've no plans for at the moment that's
4027s	one of the key defining features of
4028s	poison is that there are no poison hit
4031s	skills everything that applies poison
4033s	through a hit uh does so with another
4035s	base ability usually physical so like
4037s	even for example acid flask
4039s	um
4042s	does physical damage you can see them on
4043s	their physical poison throwing attack
4045s	dexterity the initial impact
4049s	the glass shattering is physical damage
4051s	and then the poison
4053s	in the vial
4055s	the flask sorry poisons things
4065s	the falconer is a class many people
4067s	looking forward to is there any small
4069s	thing or cool idea that you could tease
4070s	about the falconer that you think will
4072s	make it stand out in the game
4074s	um
4076s	not really uh
4079s	there's like
4081s	it's still so early in development that
4083s	like
4084s	um
4087s	like even things i've said previously
4088s	about it are no longer true
4091s	like so it's
4093s	um
4095s	it's it's like so unbelievably early
4098s	development i can't really say anything
4099s	about it because there's not really much
4100s	to say
4102s	there's gonna be a falcon involved like
4104s	the falconer is not like a dragoon
4107s	like a dragon lancer where there's like
4109s	no actual dragon involved in most
4111s	situations like there's there's a falcon
4113s	involved with the falconer that's about
4115s	all i can say sorry
4127s	oh sweaty
4134s	oh secondly time i think you mean third
4137s	come on
4143s	enter
4145s	i've got
4147s	so here's uh here's an example of some
4151s	combat feel improvements
4154s	so this is
4156s	uh
4157s	i'll just show it
4158s	appear in both
4164s	we've got a void night dealing
4168s	i suppose it was my skill bar on the
4170s	bottom like wait a minute those are not
4171s	void knight skills what no yes this is
4174s	avoiding night
4175s	uh
4176s	doing
4178s	uh void damage killing some bugs so
4179s	we're seeing um
4181s	death death effects for
4185s	enemies that didn't exist before the
4186s	death effects didn't um and also just
4188s	the on-hit effects
4193s	so all these new death effects um and
4196s	impact
4197s	there's like stagger effects and stun
4199s	effects and things like that all that
4201s	stuff is in for every enemy every attack
4203s	in the game
4220s	cool here we go
4221s	here we go
4232s	the kitchen questions or some some
4233s	questions if you have a question please
4235s	don't forget to
4237s	tag at last epoch game and the question
4239s	and i will see it easier
4243s	is multiplayer scheduled for q4 2022 i
4246s	do not have any information that i can
4248s	share with you on the timeline of
4249s	multiplayer at all i'm sorry
4257s	very clear no information
4260s	when it's ready
4268s	greetings from russia's speaking
4269s	community on the game hello
4271s	how are you
4274s	i don't know any russian to speak to you
4275s	and i'm sorry
4292s	oh that looks crisp yeah it does yes
4295s	it's just it's a lot it's hard to
4296s	describe and pick out from a clip like
4298s	that all the things that are different
4300s	um
4304s	but yeah there's a lot of tiny little
4306s	things that are happening there that i
4308s	think are
4311s	really nice
4325s	do you think that classes feeling like
4328s	they have to play certain skills
4330s	uh or they aren't
4332s	good might be a problem
4334s	uh yes
4336s	um i think examples
4339s	of that are few and far between
4341s	but very prominent when they do exist so
4344s	for example like shift on a rogue you
4347s	pretty much have to be
4348s	using shift on a rogue um
4351s	i will say that rogue has the fewest
4353s	number of total skills of everyone
4354s	there's still there's a base skill here
4356s	there's another base skill here missing
4358s	there's uh two skills in each of these
4359s	masters missing and there's five skills
4361s	here missing so that's what
4363s	there's nine skills missing for rogue
4365s	still
4366s	um
4368s	so
4370s	there's still time
4372s	but yeah that is something we like to
4373s	try and avoid
4375s	there's a few other examples of that
4376s	like um
4378s	it's mostly movement skills honestly
4379s	it's not entirely but mostly um
4384s	and like utility skills i guess i should
4386s	say is usually what it is um
4389s	and we do keep that in mind when
4391s	developing new things we try and
4394s	make
4394s	adjustments so that they're not quite as
4396s	ubiquitous sometimes that's through
4398s	adding other options sometimes that's
4401s	through reducing their efficiency a
4402s	little bit um we try not to reduce the
4404s	the like
4405s	the uh like the cooldown
4408s	or like the core functionality what it
4410s	does but more just like um
4415s	keeping the feel the same
4417s	but reducing the power a little bit i
4419s	guess is the
4421s	is the target there sometimes or or just
4423s	adding in other options that are
4426s	competitive with it
4429s	sometimes that's something that's really
4431s	subtle so sometimes that's by um
4436s	like creating
4438s	certain abilities that are really good
4440s	to go with certain builds that share a
4442s	cooldown with that ability that is
4444s	basically ubiquitous uh causes that
4446s	ability to not be the best thing for
4448s	that build
4449s	um
4450s	and even just like making it so that
4452s	there's
4454s	like
4454s	say there was one ability that was used
4456s	on half the characters in the end of
4458s	that class that's way better than 90
4460s	percent
4462s	you know
4465s	even though half's a ton for a single
4467s	skill to be represented on that is
4470s	leagues better than
4473s	90
4478s	but like so if we were to do something
4480s	to shift it would it would probably be
4483s	more in the line along the lines of like
4485s	trying to find ways to make it so you
4487s	don't need it not
4488s	making shift worse
4490s	not making any sense
4508s	or maybe that you just like
4509s	there's like just other abilities that
4511s	are just so good like you just can't fit
4513s	shift into the build or something i
4514s	don't know
4524s	you got you don't tell me if you want me
4525s	to say this you want me to say private
4529s	or privet
4537s	i say private
4540s	but uh
4543s	i know it's not the only way to say it
4546s	uh speaking of acid flask what are your
4547s	thoughts about that skill it seems to be
4549s	lacking in damage doesn't really fill a
4552s	definitive role what niche is it
4553s	supposed to build yeah it's it's it's
4555s	damage is low right now um
4557s	and okay so maybe the damage isn't low
4559s	but um
4563s	uh
4564s	the other one that came out recently uh
4567s	was definitely subject to power creep
4570s	um
4573s	umbrella blades
4574s	it's humber blaze is just better at
4576s	doing acid flash things than acid flask
4579s	um which which was probably a mistake so
4583s	easy you know we'll see we'll see what
4585s	happens there but i i think that acid
4587s	flask is
4588s	an old skill that's missing new
4590s	synergies new styles of synergies new
4592s	styles of nodes um there's lots of
4594s	things that we've learned or added to
4596s	the game so we're able to add to new
4599s	effects to things and these styles and
4600s	mechanics we can incorporate that it
4602s	doesn't have incorporated because it's
4603s	so old so i think it's mostly just a
4605s	product of its age relation related to
4607s	ombro blades
4612s	that was a good one
4616s	just gotta complain about it a little
4617s	bit
4619s	just gotta complain about it a little
4620s	bit
4629s	another question i miss sorry about that
4631s	do you think that classes feeling like
4633s	they have to play oh that was the same
4639s	my friend just recommended the game for
4641s	me and it's been one of the best
4642s	experience uh that i've ever had thank
4644s	you uh thank you so much for your
4646s	efforts in creating into creating the
4648s	game uh keep up with the awesome work
4650s	thank you sorry about my rusty english
4653s	i'm not main language
4655s	you know what
4656s	you are better at english than i am at
4658s	any other language so good job
4660s	as far as i'm concerned you'd be great
4666s	that's after 13 years of french lessons
4675s	i think i've learned more french from
4676s	recently listening to community reruns
4680s	and that was spanish
4685s	now i had uh i was in high school i had
4688s	french and spanish class in the same
4690s	classroom with the same teacher back to
4692s	back every tuesday and thursday morning
4696s	um
4697s	and it was it was always french then
4699s	spanish
4700s	and like
4702s	i i get so confused because like
4706s	homework would be due for both of them
4707s	on the same day and i'd be doing the
4708s	same nights and like oh it was that was
4711s	just tragic that was that was a horrible
4713s	scheduling mistake whoever whoever did
4715s	that schedule
4717s	bad
4719s	bad
4731s	i technically have
4733s	a first year university like a french
4735s	101 class
4736s	credit
4737s	i speak no french
4745s	so good job on your english that's what
4747s	i'm getting at
4749s	uh was having a skill slot be
4751s	specifically for utility or movement
4753s	skill for every class
4756s	uh
4757s	like considered kind of how wilson his
4759s	dodge while ability for one yeah
4760s	definitely um we actually protect that
4763s	and put it in the game for a little
4764s	while um it never was released in a
4767s	patch but yes we definitely decided we
4769s	definitely considered that and it almost
4771s	made its way into the game
4773s	um
4777s	and we thought we felt it was a little
4779s	too restrictive
4782s	um
4784s	and like we looked up we looked at a
4785s	bunch of other examples the extreme
4787s	example is guild wars 2.
4791s	where you have like your bar is dictated
4793s	by the weapons you use and you have like
4795s	a
4796s	you have your like four attack abilities
4799s	your movement ability and your like
4801s	utility abilities and your healing
4803s	ability and like i don't know it's been
4805s	i played that game for like a year year
4807s	and a half on launch
4809s	and kind of fell out of it unfortunately
4811s	loved guild wars 1.
4813s	my god guild wars 1 was amazing when it
4815s	was when it was at its height at its
4816s	peak guild wars 1 was one of my favorite
4818s	games of all time oh my god i love it um
4821s	sorry derailed their bit but um we
4824s	decided it was a little too restricting
4826s	and um
4829s	felt it was better just to
4831s	um
4834s	go with with uh just having ability
4837s	like movement abilities that people can
4838s	pick from
4839s	um yeah
4840s	we also considered having like one
4842s	generic ability
4843s	like just just a role that that would um
4848s	that would have like a generic tree
4851s	that every class could access
4853s	and then there'd be like extra nodes in
4856s	your
4859s	passive tree that would affect it as
4861s	well
4862s	um
4863s	there's all sorts of different versions
4864s	that we that we tried
4866s	and we kind of we just scrapped all
4868s	those things we decided we didn't like
4869s	them
4873s	well having the base movement abilities
4875s	be thematic was was better
4882s	and you kind of get a similar effect
4883s	when you put them on the same cooldown
4885s	so when you have shared cooldown some
4886s	movement abilities in the same class you
4888s	get a really similar effect
4890s	but you then get the more interesting
4892s	build crafting options by you can add
4894s	items that say they no longer share a
4895s	cooldown um and then suddenly there's a
4898s	way people can have control over these
4899s	mechanics themselves
4911s	strict rules and ways to break them
4917s	that's what i like
4923s	sounds like uh like a weird
4926s	like
4928s	i i don't know like a know
4930s	some sort of design book or something
4932s	like that
4934s	strict rules and how to break them
4936s	or ways to break them
4940s	someone can have that one
4944s	oh was it disgusting yes it was
4946s	disgusting uh
4947s	[Music]
4950s	it's pronounced pre-vet
4954s	pre-vet
4956s	never heard pre-vet
4965s	that's a new one for me
4970s	le will have an auction house correct
4973s	no
4974s	uh in diablo 3 while it had an auction
4976s	house the best way to make more money uh
4979s	to become a merchant reselling stuff
4981s	will ellie avoid that somehow um yeah
4984s	we're not doing that
4988s	we're not doing a d3 auction house
5005s	i think the auction house was
5007s	i this is this is
5010s	what's what's the opposite of a hot take
5012s	a cool take
5013s	the the auction house was the worst part
5015s	of d3
5021s	it almost killed the game
5024s	like if anything could have killed it
5026s	that was
5027s	it i don't actually want to kill the
5029s	game but like it tried real hard
5037s	not happening
5041s	i know there's i know there's rumors
5043s	that get floated around on what's going
5044s	to happen if anyone tells you they know
5047s	what trade is going to be like in last
5049s	epoch
5051s	um they're guessing or lying
5055s	or possibly both
5066s	or breaking an nda
5068s	and even then
5071s	partially guessing still
5082s	easy too easy
5086s	all right
5088s	next question
5090s	is the ballista harpoon pulse they're
5091s	going to
5092s	get reworked for patch nine
5095s	uh i don't know who told you that was
5097s	getting reworked it's still in the game
5099s	um
5100s	i do really think on a side note i do
5102s	think that ballista has some issues
5105s	especially in the
5106s	like leveling progression functionality
5108s	so it's um
5111s	it has there's there is a way to build i
5114s	love this x
5115s	uh there is a way to build
5119s	ballista that does work
5121s	um it's very specific and the tree has
5123s	so many problems
5125s	um i think we were a little timid when
5127s	we made the tree it's a pretty old tree
5129s	as well
5130s	um
5132s	there's there's too many nodes that are
5135s	just like this this i think is is really
5138s	indicative of
5139s	a bad node in this tree
5143s	um the this intrinsic downside of less
5146s	attack speed
5147s	is just painful because it's so
5149s	anti-synergistic with so many other
5151s	things that you want to do with ballista
5153s	like being able to apply lots of
5154s	elements quickly to multiple enemies
5156s	like shredding resistances stuff like
5158s	that it just it's like so
5160s	anti-synergistic there
5161s	um
5162s	and then just the flat the flat the more
5164s	the multiplicative more damage
5167s	um it's so boring
5170s	and it's uh it's like it's such a like
5173s	it's so bad for so many reasons
5176s	um
5177s	i can say that because i was heavily
5178s	involved with the creation of this tree
5180s	so it's a good chance i put this note
5182s	here um
5184s	and i think i think this tree needs some
5186s	love in general
5188s	um i think there's a lot of really good
5190s	bones here a lot of cool mechanics and
5191s	stuff that i want to keep but um
5194s	there's a few nodes that i really don't
5196s	like
5199s	like this this especially when it's
5201s	after this like these two nodes together
5203s	are just like
5204s	uh what were you thinking guys come on
5207s	type thing
5209s	um that's one of those that i don't like
5212s	i've been playing a lot of oh hey cool
5214s	this is the relic that i needed for that
5215s	other build
5216s	that i didn't i couldn't uh
5218s	i didn't drop it
5220s	oh anyways um
5224s	the
5226s	i've been playing a lot of
5228s	ballista online lately partially because
5231s	of uh
5232s	we have been doing a lot of testing on
5233s	european servers
5235s	and um
5237s	it's it's a little it's a little laggy
5239s	on european servers right now because
5240s	i'm on the i'm about as far from europe
5242s	as you can get
5244s	uh
5245s	so it's it's it's not awesome being that
5248s	far and so when i do that i always play
5250s	i try to play pet build um
5253s	just because they're easier to play with
5254s	lots of lag
5257s	and so i've been trying to play ballista
5259s	through that whole leveling process in
5260s	multiplayer and i've been feeling bad
5263s	things about it but no i i don't know
5264s	who said
5267s	specifically the harpoon pole is getting
5268s	a rework for 0.9
5278s	is there any time for the multiplayer
5279s	patch no
5285s	uh how will work uh how is the work
5287s	coming on someone's saber too bare bone
5289s	golem any updates might make another 1.9
5292s	uh bone golem yes
5294s	there you go you got one i forgot about
5296s	that yes bone golem has had and not an
5298s	overhaul but um
5301s	a glow up i'm gonna call it a glow up
5304s	um
5306s	that'll be important
5310s	i think the other two
5312s	should should do as well we like to try
5314s	and do the visuals at the same time as
5316s	mechanical adjustments and the visuals
5318s	are done for it so
5321s	we'll likely try and get the mechanical
5322s	changes done too but they're not done so
5325s	i can't say they're going to be in for
5327s	sure
5331s	i was curious how hard
5333s	uh you would say peek
5335s	how hard you would say the peak of last
5337s	epoch is
5339s	uh has there been any consideration for
5341s	monster density changes even if there
5343s	isn't associated just having large
5345s	groups of monsters can feel good to kill
5346s	sometimes yeah so um
5349s	there's a lot of performance problems in
5351s	the current live build
5353s	that one of the ways we've combated
5355s	those in the past is
5356s	just fewer things on screen
5359s	um
5362s	and we're still in the process of
5363s	improving performance overall but
5365s	there's some big big improvements that
5367s	have come
5368s	recently and as more improvements
5370s	continue to roll in after that
5372s	it's likely that we'll start
5376s	not using that as a
5379s	performance
5380s	improvement mitigating tool
5383s	um
5384s	as much
5386s	hopefully at all
5387s	uh
5389s	so i could see more
5392s	enemy density showing up near the end
5396s	uh like like in later models and things
5398s	like that but uh
5400s	there's no specific like oh it's gonna
5402s	happen here or anything like that
5407s	there's a fair bit of density in in um
5410s	arenas most of the time as well
5414s	and i i know it's never gonna be
5417s	poe levels of density
5428s	i kind of see the primalist or whatever
5430s	you call that droody character that's
5432s	playable having a subclass oriented
5434s	around plants and poison
5437s	yeah i mean it does
5439s	have that
5440s	already so yes
5443s	uh two-part question one will streaming
5446s	drops be included after launch um
5449s	that's definitely something we want to
5450s	include
5452s	it's not a launch goal
5457s	will there be a content creator program
5460s	who will be authorized to provide drops
5462s	interesting maybe
5470s	um we do we do try and um
5474s	like
5476s	we we've got discord dms with
5478s	many of the
5480s	um more uh i would say consistent blast
5484s	epoch content creators so just people
5485s	who we see make a lot of videos on last
5487s	epoch will usually open a discord
5489s	conversation with a few of the devs and
5491s	you know
5494s	marketing and community managers and
5495s	things like that just just just keeping
5497s	communication um about things just to
5499s	help them out and it helps us it helps
5501s	them to be in communication um
5506s	so we do
5507s	we just keep an eye out for like youtube
5509s	videos and people who stream a lot and
5511s	things like that and um
5514s	so i wouldn't be surprised if that
5516s	evolved into what you're suggesting
5518s	there but um
5521s	there's no specific plan
5536s	yeah
5537s	next question
5544s	can't leave sensitive information if
5545s	sanitation hasn't been decided on yeah
5549s	pro tip just don't figure out anything
5552s	and you can't leak anything
5556s	just know
5560s	the nothing way to keep info when you're
5561s	being interrogated just know nothing
5566s	do you have a favorite ice cream flavor
5569s	oh
5570s	absolutely
5572s	[Music]
5574s	um
5575s	so like
5577s	my favorite ice cream sort of like
5581s	generally like okay
5584s	if i'm going to an ice cream shop i'll
5586s	usually actually
5588s	uh
5589s	like like a nice like artisanal style
5592s	ice cream shop where there's like 100
5593s	things to choose from i'm specifically
5595s	referencing a
5597s	there's there's an amazing ice cream
5599s	shop in
5601s	cochrane alberta
5603s	that i've been to like twice because i
5604s	don't even live in the same province um
5607s	but
5608s	oh my god the craze i think it's called
5612s	the case mckays that's what it's called
5614s	mckays um oh it's so good
5617s	uh and this is a situation like that
5619s	i'll usually go for something
5621s	like like berry forward sometimes even
5623s	like a sorbet
5625s	i just i grew up not having dairy so
5627s	like it was always like
5629s	ice cream was always just like sorbet
5631s	style stuff
5632s	um
5634s	so that's like i really like like
5635s	strawberries or raspberries things like
5637s	that but if i'm gonna go like like pick
5639s	an ice cream flavor it's always gonna be
5641s	like something in a caramel base
5644s	um
5646s	usually with like chocolate something
5648s	like
5650s	uh like a rolo style ice cream where
5652s	there's like
5654s	chocolate with caramel inside chunks
5656s	mixed in with it and things like a
5658s	vanilla base
5659s	chocolate caramel chunks
5664s	all right
5666s	uh
5668s	the important questions right
5673s	oh that could be that could be a nice
5675s	hat
5678s	no
5680s	no
5682s	no
5686s	not bad
5690s	all right next question
5692s	excited to make gold man 7.9 oh yeah
5696s	yeah and aaron's got his unique item
5697s	coming too
5703s	uh i feel like
5704s	i feel like running an arena champion oh
5707s	i don't have a ton of time left but yeah
5709s	i could i could do that
5711s	okay here let's let's race through this
5712s	one as fast as we can
5714s	i'll go do that
5716s	i could just portal out but no
5719s	need that stability
5731s	let's kill things to find out where it
5732s	is isn't
5742s	come it give me a quest marker
5752s	not happening
5755s	there we are
5762s	all right next question have a preview
5763s	for the next patch uh
5766s	a little teasers here and there but uh
5768s	patch people were a ways out from patch
5770s	preview still
5775s	i i have got this question a few times
5776s	where like
5778s	you guys said september where's the
5779s	patch preview never said september
5782s	it's a rumor that keeps getting
5784s	propagated
5785s	not true
5788s	we didn't even technically even say
5790s	after september
5797s	which is one i'll let slide because it's
5799s	close enough to the truth
5806s	uh if you could add one thing to the
5808s	game without any regard for balance or
5810s	necessity
5811s	what would you want to add
5815s	uh just anything just with blatant
5818s	disregard to everything
5827s	i would add weapon swap
5830s	that's like the weirdest answer possible
5832s	i would add a weapon swap i would add
5834s	the ability to switch to a secondary
5835s	weapon
5837s	um
5839s	still have a local branch where it works
5849s	whatever that
5851s	i know that's not what you're expecting
5853s	at all
5855s	uh
5857s	here we go to the arena
5869s	uh
5871s	do you feel uh like thorn totem is a bit
5875s	disappointing
5878s	no
5880s	oh
5882s	i love the idea of having totem skills
5884s	to do damage but it feels like the lack
5886s	of interesting tones makes it
5887s	unappealing
5889s	okay
5892s	uh lizard you did miss totem links i
5894s	started i started leaks early i know i
5896s	usually like
5897s	uh
5898s	like wait
5900s	until later on in the stream um
5903s	but you know sometimes you gotta get
5904s	here early sometimes i sneak them in
5906s	early
5906s	here just just for you from that i'll
5908s	i'll get you here we go
5912s	here's another totem leak for you
5915s	here's another totem link for you yeah i
5918s	nailed it first try
5921s	so this is uh upheaval totem
5931s	there's a good shot
5934s	i really like this one too
5937s	so it does uh rotate differently when
5939s	you cast it initially
5941s	but yeah this one's this one this one's
5943s	i'm a big fan of this one
5945s	all right is there plan to improve void
5947s	night melee most people go as caster
5949s	void knight because it is better i i
5952s	don't have specific uh insights into the
5954s	balance changes i'm sorry uh today i
5957s	dreamed that the node and boy knight
5959s	that converts smite to void will also
5961s	convert multi strike next batch
5963s	do i have did i have a premonition um
5967s	i can say that that is not currently the
5969s	way it is set up in
5971s	our live build version
5979s	oh my goodness i don't have anything
5981s	unlocked here all right let's go level
5983s	50 this is gonna be so hard
5988s	yes opens up would love that yeah see
5991s	not the only one huh
5994s	uh what is eg philosophy on quality of
5996s	life in video games for example d3 has
5998s	pretty good quality of life well he
5999s	keeps
6001s	uh is keeping it hostage for whatever
6003s	reason feels bad man i i think the term
6006s	quality of life
6008s	needs a proper definition
6010s	um
6011s	because i think it gets
6013s	used
6015s	uh in ways that i disagree with
6017s	personally i'm not gonna say wrong
6019s	because uh i could be wrong with the way
6020s	i'm defining it but i
6022s	i disagree with the way quality of life
6025s	gets used as a term a fair bit
6029s	um
6034s	easy and i i think the key really is
6039s	um
6043s	i i i don't know what the key is really
6045s	we we don't
6047s	we don't want to hurt our players
6049s	physically like literally hurt them
6051s	because they're they're getting like rsi
6053s	or or it's it's making that worse for
6055s	them um
6058s	and that is something that we literally
6059s	do take into account and have taken into
6061s	account right from the start which is
6062s	why we have controller support so like
6065s	you know like right off the bat but um
6068s	i think there's a lot of things that get
6070s	suggested as quality of life
6072s	improvements that i see
6074s	daily on our forums that gets not
6076s	dealing specific forms but like forums
6078s	reddit discord that i get seen suggested
6079s	as quality of life improvements that are
6081s	mechanical changes and functional
6083s	changes of the game that are not quality
6084s	of life improvements
6087s	and
6091s	i i think
6092s	framing those suggestions as such
6096s	um
6097s	is kind of unfair to the developers a
6099s	little bit like i'm specifically talking
6101s	about other games here um again that's
6103s	too i guess but uh i i see it a lot in
6105s	other games too where someone says like
6107s	oh we need this quality of life change
6108s	and it's like well it's not a quality of
6110s	life change that's a design change
6112s	um
6115s	and and it's not it's it that doesn't
6117s	invalidate the suggestion that doesn't
6118s	make it a bad suggestion at all it could
6120s	be
6121s	necessary for the game to improve
6123s	um
6125s	but i think framing it as a quality of
6126s	life improvement is not always accurate
6129s	and i'm very willing to be wrong about
6131s	this
6153s	uh
6162s	there's there's a siege going somewhere
6163s	around here that's just like sniping at
6165s	me from far away okay let's get another
6166s	question going
6168s	uh
6169s	come on more harder let's go faster
6172s	charge
6174s	uh you said ellie won't have an auction
6176s	house but
6177s	isn't there a function called the bazaar
6178s	plan what's the difference um the bazaar
6181s	was planned
6182s	um quite a while ago it is no longer
6185s	planned
6186s	um
6187s	there was an update that went out but i
6189s	know it's not all information gets
6191s	disseminated properly
6193s	uh to everyone but yes uh
6196s	the the big difference between the
6197s	bizarre plane and an auction house was
6199s	that there is
6200s	um
6202s	the the auction house has a single
6203s	generally auction houses have single
6205s	places you can go to
6207s	that you can browse and search and view
6209s	all items simultaneously that are
6210s	available in that auction in that system
6213s	um the bizarre was not planned to be
6215s	that way
6217s	that's the big difference between the
6218s	two
6227s	but i agree just they did share quite a
6229s	few
6231s	similarities uh
6233s	i gotta ask spear and shield pretty
6235s	please i was gonna do s oh spoon shield
6238s	i see you say as as a thing i i mean
6240s	there are intentionally how do i say
6242s	this there are intentionally
6244s	um
6246s	certain
6246s	weapon combinations and
6249s	fantasy archetypes that have been
6251s	omitted in order to allow for
6255s	uh interesting
6256s	expansions in the future
6265s	uh will you address auto casting via
6267s	numpad
6269s	for the multiplayer release
6271s	um
6272s	i'd be curious to know what you think
6274s	needs addressing about it
6276s	um
6277s	we've we've made statements about it
6280s	uh do you think it needs to be
6282s	attempted to be removed from the game
6287s	i say attempted because it's not
6288s	possible
6289s	[Laughter]
6304s	it's possible to make it
6306s	um
6307s	difficult enough that people have to
6310s	resort to trusting
6313s	uh third-party software developers with
6315s	no
6317s	um
6322s	like with with
6324s	like little to no previous credentials
6326s	to prove that it's safe software to use
6329s	and that's not a situation we want to
6330s	put our users in
6335s	but there will every single
6338s	suggestion i've heard about how to
6340s	combat
6341s	auto casting
6344s	as from uh from a functional standpoint
6346s	in the game of like um
6348s	like detecting the num lock key
6350s	or like uh pulling the
6353s	the press rate of keys for consistency
6356s	rates
6357s	um
6357s	you know things things like this there's
6359s	lots of lots of weird tricks you can do
6361s	and and every single suggestion i've
6363s	heard for things like that i found
6366s	and this is knowing
6368s	the way it's built in the game
6370s	um
6371s	like i i can't come up with a system
6374s	to prevent it that i can't
6377s	get around
6379s	in like
6381s	more than than five minutes with a very
6384s	simple piece of software that is free on
6386s	the internet that anyone can use
6389s	you know like it's
6401s	and then you get into
6404s	then you get into issues of
6406s	like okay well then detect that software
6408s	okay people can write other software
6409s	that just has different names than to
6411s	detect and okay we'll try and detect um
6413s	generic versions of that okay great now
6415s	someone's using software like that to do
6417s	something else unrelated to the game
6419s	which i actually use daily
6421s	um
6424s	and
6424s	all of a sudden you're just like hurting
6426s	them from being able to play so you're
6428s	like you're making the experience for
6429s	legitimate players
6431s	um
6432s	legitimate i'm just i'm
6434s	assuming that using unlock the number
6436s	trick is quote unquote not legitimate
6439s	which i'm not saying that's the case but
6441s	context uh the
6445s	assuming that was the case you're you're
6446s	making the experience for legitimate
6448s	players worse by targeting
6450s	illegitimate players
6452s	um
6453s	and i think that's a negative experience
6455s	overall especially when the illegitimate
6458s	players can just get around it anyways
6461s	you know
6470s	and i know use of legitimate legend of
6472s	theirs was not ideal but i don't know
6474s	the right term for it sorry
6477s	all right what is your favorite class to
6478s	play with four player and two player i
6481s	really enjoy i like i'm a huge rogue fan
6484s	boy it's just it's getting worse and
6486s	worse how much i love rogue um
6490s	and
6491s	it's like the more i play it the more i
6493s	like it i just love it so much um
6498s	i
6499s	i am really enjoying
6501s	like a classic hammerton as well lately
6504s	um
6508s	holy aura still is busted to where you
6511s	can
6513s	stack holy auras right now
6516s	so if you have two people with inverse
6518s	holy auras you get the effect of both of
6520s	them simultaneously in multiplayer so
6522s	that's a really fun two player spec to
6523s	go where you just like
6525s	each take half the tree and you get the
6527s	whole tree
6528s	um
6530s	that's a fun two-player build to go with
6533s	uh there's
6534s	there's uh
6536s	even even with the multiplayer i'm gonna
6538s	call them they our nerfs to poison which
6541s	let's be real here we're necessary
6543s	because of the way poison works it was
6544s	so unbelievably broken
6546s	it's still
6548s	unbelievably strong
6550s	like
6552s	uh for four floor poison is still crazy
6555s	strong
6558s	like
6560s	i still think it's way too strong
6564s	so good and to be clear it didn't what
6566s	we did didn't really affect single
6568s	player
6568s	almost at all
6571s	um
6573s	yeah
6574s	it's good
6578s	and it's very much up for change still
6580s	because it's
6581s	that that's gonna be something that
6582s	changes
6583s	a bunch i think
6584s	both ways because it's just
6587s	it's it's a popular play style it's
6589s	a powerful play style
6591s	um
6592s	it's a fun play style but it's
6596s	needs to be in line
6606s	i still think it's the most powerful
6608s	thing in multiplayer
6609s	even after getting hit with the nerf dad
6611s	pretty hard
6613s	which is funny
6627s	all right next question
6629s	out of interest what are some examples
6630s	of design changes that are commonly
6632s	called quality of life changes
6634s	uh great question um the one that the
6637s	one that comes to mind
6639s	most frequently
6641s	um
6642s	and i'll i'm going to use the people
6643s	example here
6645s	is or or even
6647s	like
6648s	diablo 2 example here
6650s	it's the same in both them really
6652s	i think it's it's actually a better case
6653s	for it in powy though is is the scroll
6656s	of identity and in these roles
6658s	um
6660s	having items drop identified is a very
6663s	significant design change
6665s	um
6666s	that that has pretty far-reaching
6668s	implications
6670s	uh
6671s	that are that is it is not strictly a
6674s	quality of life change which
6676s	very frequently gets
6678s	posed as a quality of life problem
6685s	and i'm and i want to be clear as well
6686s	that i'm not i'm not saying that this is
6689s	um
6690s	that it should stay or change
6693s	at all but i'm just saying that the
6695s	discussion should be a game design
6697s	discussion rather than a quality of life
6699s	discussion
6706s	uh yeah that one still loads yeah it's
6708s	the live version of course it still
6709s	loads internally
6711s	uh
6713s	there's there's bugs that happen every
6714s	once in a while so there's a bug that
6715s	just happened there where the
6716s	uh
6717s	the arena started before i was in it
6720s	like before i started it started the
6722s	arena started when i started loading
6724s	instead of when i finished loading
6726s	um
6727s	which isn't a problem anymore
6729s	and it surprised me and caught me off
6731s	guard and i was like oh it's still a
6732s	problem i hope we fix that but we did
6734s	and this is just the live version uh
6737s	it only happens in this arena
6750s	all right
6753s	uh just curious if you would if you
6755s	would do anything to it as i recall you
6757s	were not in favor oh wait what
6763s	what's the it
6765s	uh are we going to see any of the terra
6768s	goddess in the future for the campaign
6770s	like during her timeline um i think
6773s	there's a lot of things we can do still
6775s	that
6777s	are hidden
6779s	and i don't want to go into too much
6781s	detail as to future plans storyline wise
6784s	uh of major characters that have not
6787s	been represented yet in the game
6794s	it's a long-winded way of saying i don't
6795s	know
6801s	i i um
6803s	vorador i feel like there's a there's
6804s	like a two-part question they missed the
6806s	first part
6807s	oh oh it was the auto casting unlock
6809s	thing
6812s	uh just grace if you do anything about
6813s	it you're not in favor okay this is
6815s	organizing
6817s	with regards to the autocad thing
6818s	personally i don't like using the auto
6820s	casting myself i i think it takes a lot
6823s	out of the game personally and i
6825s	i don't use it myself
6827s	um
6828s	but i have no intention of removing it
6830s	from the game
6835s	um i'd like to attempt to
6838s	um
6839s	reduce so like i i think the problem
6842s	with with uh numlock autocasting comes
6844s	from
6845s	uh and
6847s	i don't um preface this by saying i
6849s	don't want people who do this to stop
6850s	doing it
6852s	but i think the problem happens when a
6854s	build guide like a video build guide
6856s	says for this build you're going to use
6858s	num lock autocast trick and that you
6860s	have to do it for this build and
6862s	be clear everyone who makes those guides
6864s	and has those things in it i'm not
6865s	saying stop doing that because if that's
6867s	how the build works go ahead do what
6868s	you're gonna do um but i'm saying the
6870s	way we designed the game that makes it
6872s	so that that's the right thing to say is
6874s	the problem so it's our mistake
6877s	to be clear
6879s	oh russell said asks hey mike we ever
6882s	see quivers as three balls on the
6884s	characters gosh i hope so
6886s	not right now though
6887s	uh from the top of your head off off oh
6890s	off the top of your head uh what things
6892s	do you personally have in mind to shift
6894s	power onto gear make 275 300 plus
6897s	um no i i mean so the example that i
6900s	brought up before which you've probably
6901s	heard and i'm sorry i'm going to use it
6902s	again
6903s	um
6905s	and i don't know if this is for sure
6906s	what's gonna happen but i think
6907s	personally it's
6908s	it's the best
6910s	option that i've heard so far
6912s	uh right now for example detonating
6914s	arrows scales four percent increased
6916s	damage per point of dexterity
6919s	if we change that to say
6922s	one percent in one percent sorry if we
6924s	change that to say one percent more
6927s	damage per point of dexterity
6929s	um
6930s	it causes multiplicative scaling
6932s	where
6933s	um like dexterity becomes very valuable
6936s	and the primary source of dexterity is
6938s	on your gear so that pushes that damage
6940s	scaling onto your gear more now maybe
6942s	it's
6943s	putting other inherent scalings in nodes
6946s	as well
6948s	maybe it's putting things in a node that
6951s	says
6952s	like okay here's an example um
6957s	uh here's so you deal increase damage
6959s	the next damaging non-channel skill
6961s	after shifting but maybe this instead
6963s	says
6964s	um it's
6967s	uh
6968s	i don't know one percent increased
6970s	damage
6971s	uh per crit chance
6973s	or per dodge chance or per you know
6976s	something that scales off another stat
6978s	that you those are bad examples actually
6979s	i just realized but um
6982s	maybe it's something that scales off of
6983s	something you get primarily from gear
6986s	or
6987s	uh maybe it specifically looks at a gear
6988s	slot so there's certain abilities that
6990s	that like in forge guard that look at
6991s	specific gear slots so maybe this is
6993s	like um
6995s	uh you get increased damage equal to the
6998s	increased move speed from your boots
7002s	that's cool right um and suddenly that
7004s	that damage
7006s	it scales as you get better gear so you
7009s	put the point in
7010s	and that point initially gives you a
7012s	certain amount at like level 10 you only
7014s	have 10 increase movement on your boots
7016s	great ten percent increase damage per
7017s	point um and then by level 100 maybe
7020s	you've got 50 increased damage increase
7022s	movement speed on your boots which is
7023s	also not 50 increase damage so this so
7025s	this node scales with your boots as well
7028s	with your gear as well and so things
7029s	like that
7030s	to get the scaling
7032s	of the damage to go through your gear
7035s	um and be dependent on your gear i think
7037s	is important just so that it it
7040s	i think that's the way we do it um and
7042s	it's still up in the air it's still
7043s	being decided on still being worked on
7044s	um
7047s	but that's that's that's what i think is
7049s	a a
7050s	front runner style and i really want to
7052s	be clear this is style not specific
7054s	examples
7057s	uh something po we did lately was take
7059s	over hosting a peewee wiki any chance
7061s	you guys would consider hosting an
7063s	official wiki it's a nice quality of
7064s	life not to have ads everyone looking up
7067s	game info yeah ads suck i agree they're
7071s	really it's really helpful for people
7073s	who are running these these sites and
7075s	put a ton of work into these sites
7077s	um
7078s	and it's like it can be someone's job
7080s	sometimes especially people who are
7081s	running like solo running a site
7082s	something like that i think it's
7084s	uh like
7086s	yeah it's it's really important for some
7088s	people and i think there's different
7089s	types of ads too like some ads are so
7092s	intrusive like there's sometimes you go
7093s	to if you're looking like a recipe
7095s	on a recipe website you like like i take
7097s	screenshots just to be like
7099s	my screen is four percent information
7101s	and 96 advertisements you go come on
7104s	guys like i'll look at some ads but like
7107s	give me enough room to see the content
7109s	too please
7110s	uh so i there's responsible ways to do
7112s	ads um
7114s	i think and i hey
7116s	whatever um anyways point is um
7120s	rant over i uh i don't think we have any
7123s	plans to
7125s	uh to to take over the wiki at the
7128s	moment
7129s	um
7132s	i'd like to have an official website
7134s	like i still use ariat summit for d2
7136s	info um
7138s	there there are a few
7141s	like
7142s	unbelievably well done
7144s	last epoch third-party websites already
7147s	that like i look at them and go
7150s	be so much work to even make something
7152s	as good as that like i don't want to do
7154s	it i'd rather like
7156s	you know like uh
7157s	try and do something to support those
7159s	people instead
7160s	would be the way i'd look at it
7161s	personally but then you get into this
7162s	weird thing of like
7164s	um does that put pressure on them to not
7165s	do other stuff and it's a whole thing so
7169s	um we've talked about it it's it's hard
7171s	to
7173s	to decide what what you want to do there
7175s	um i have one more thing to share
7176s	actually and i've just forgot about i
7178s	thought i only had four i have five
7180s	so here's one more
7183s	right at the buzzer
7185s	uh this is an example of a lich doing
7187s	some necrotic dot damage stoop
7191s	um some death effects for um
7205s	oh my goodness i got through the
7207s	questions
7212s	yeah last epoch tools fantastic website
7215s	um i put some like there's like links on
7217s	our reddit side sidebar for some of the
7218s	some of the tools there's a couple
7220s	they're really good um timecloud's
7221s	really good um
7225s	yeah you guys are awesome
7235s	i'm sorry loser time's up i can't answer
7236s	that question
7240s	what is whispering key i saw a photo of
7242s	it months ago on reddit
7245s	great question
7246s	i actually don't know the answer to it
7249s	um
7250s	but i can say this i don't think it was
7252s	photoshopped
7258s	oh
7261s	oh someone highlighted a message thank
7262s	you great to have on streams i
7264s	appreciate that
7267s	i
7268s	thank you that's great i'm glad you're
7269s	enjoying it
7270s	appreciate that
7272s	um
7276s	i'll do it for me today
7282s	hope you had fun i know i did thank you
7284s	very much for coming
7286s	uh if i didn't answer a question that
7287s	you'd like answered or you think of
7288s	something later please head on over to
7290s	art discord reddit facebook not facebook
7292s	i don't go there uh
7294s	discord reddit
7296s	forums uh there's an f word forums um
7301s	lots of great people on all those
7302s	platforms answering questions all the
7304s	time
7306s	i will be back again same time same
7307s	place next week
7309s	hope to see some of you there

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