[2022] Developer Stream 12.9.22 | Last Epoch | Last Epoch Dev Tracker

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4s	good afternoon everybody and welcome
6s	back to the last Epoch devstream as
9s	always
10s	I'm your host Mike hello how's it going
12s	everybody
14s	oh what a fun day we have for us I don't
20s	know where you are but where I am sun's
21s	out it's nice look look old a little
24s	chilly but we're doing good we're just
25s	gonna keep going
27s	playing our boy night here little spinny
29s	boy having some fun
34s	let's go if this is your first time here
37s	welcome welcome glad to have you with us
39s	we do stream for charity so all of what
41s	we have from the stream goes to a new
44s	charity every month and this month it is
46s	the Salvation Army so that's who we're
47s	streaming for today
49s	and if you have any questions please put
51s	at last Epoch game in the question
54s	I'll be happy to answer it
56s	until then
58s	let's get a hang out let's go hang out
60s	see what's up
62s	I'm imagining a very slow stream today
66s	there'll be no
68s	difficult questions we're just gonna
71s	relax hang out
74s	chill
79s	got that nice
81s	you know
94s	all right
97s	foreign
119s	don't get popped by that
122s	a random namex there's a question to
126s	open the over the chat how is trade
128s	going to work in last debug wow well if
131s	you direct your attention to our forums
133s	we have a huge post that just went up
137s	yesterday I believe
140s	feels like it's been like a week that's
142s	been up for and I know it hasn't
144s	but
146s	um yeah this is all sorts of details
149s	there on how the item gifting system is
151s	going to work in 0.9
153s	um and that's all the information we
154s	have available at the moment because
156s	that's all we've really settled on as a
159s	firm we know what's gonna we know what
161s	the item gifting for 0.9 is gonna look
163s	like
164s	um and that's that's where that's where
166s	we're at
171s	because you asked the question here
173s	we'll give a brief recap in here
174s	basically if you're in playing with a
177s	friend anyone you're in the party you're
179s	playing with them they're beside you
180s	item drops for one of you you can give
182s	it to the other person that's that's it
187s	easy peasy
191s	um some subtle details here and there if
194s	you wanna we want some follow-up details
196s	but that's basically it
198s	how many bottles of water have you done
200s	today well I mean
202s	I drank uh I drank a glass of water this
205s	morning
206s	and then this is my this is my I filled
208s	this one up for the first stream it's a
209s	leader so it's my second one of those
211s	today
213s	so I'm pretty low on water today
215s	but I'll be drinking throughout the
216s	Stream
219s	wow
237s	at the start I'd love to have you oh
241s	close call with what I'll be honest it's
243s	not bad we're not using Shields right
244s	that's what I can pick it up
246s	I'm terrible only I'm only picking up
247s	things right now that are good for this
249s	character that's how I usually do
250s	streams usually I'd probably pick that
252s	up actually though
255s	why won't you give me a direct answer
257s	what are you hiding
261s	very little I hope
266s	all right maybe some endurance that's
269s	okay we have color
274s	can I gift epic shards okay so this um I
277s	wasn't actually sure about this and uh
279s	right now and and so I just want to
281s	guess I'm gonna say this after every
282s	before every question so if you hear
284s	from the start and you're here to the
285s	end and you get bored of me saying it
287s	I'm sorry but I'm gonna say it every
288s	single time currently
290s	for 0.9 the way it's set up is
294s	that's how I'm gonna answer all these
296s	questions but currently for 0.9 the
298s	weight setup is no uh crafting materials
301s	themselves are not giftable
305s	which sorry Aaron I know I told you the
307s	opposite of that yesterday
317s	um and there's it's interesting there's
318s	been some there's been some things some
321s	questions people have had for the system
322s	that like I I hadn't even considered yet
326s	um and and I've asked a few people and
328s	I'm like did we talk about that I don't
330s	know if we did talk about that and
331s	they're kind of really Niche uh like
333s	really specific cases
337s	but it is interesting that's already
338s	happening
340s	um and and so I guess the one that came
342s	up this morning was if you was if you
344s	use a rune of ascendants on an item will
347s	it allow you to gift that item
349s	afterwards and and my assumption was no
351s	because the way of doing that is it's
353s	actually making a new item I didn't
355s	think it would copy that property over
357s	um
358s	but I said someone tested and it does
360s	actually copy that property over right
361s	now but I don't think we're gonna have
363s	it be that way for 0.9 so for what
365s	people care about likely for point nine
366s	it probably won't be
368s	uh gift will once ascended but it might
371s	be so we we've got a way to work that
373s	one out still
377s	I mean on the flip side you can make
379s	something a legendary and trade it after
380s	that gift it after that
384s	because that really is
386s	when you when you make it unique into a
387s	legendary it just sets like a flag
391s	um on the item it doesn't make a new
393s	item
400s	oh I just looked back over chat my
401s	goodness
403s	my goodness all right how do you feel
405s	about those people who wanted trade for
406s	last debug as a core feature from your
408s	Kickstarter campaign would offer RF uh
414s	no uh I think it's just the election are
417s	up there
418s	um
419s	so I I guess the first thing is
422s	clearly you're a little bit what we've
424s	announced is the way we're going to be
427s	releasing this for 0.9
430s	um and obviously we wouldn't move not
432s	obviously but we we we set it up this
434s	way for many reasons personally because
436s	we think right now this is going to be
438s	the best thing for the game
440s	and it's hopefully what we launch with
442s	that's our plan
444s	um
445s	but all we're really saying for sure is
447s	this is what it's going to be like for
448s	point nine that's that's solid this is
451s	the way it is for 0.9 it's too late to
453s	change it for 0.9 why
457s	we're not going to change it to 0.9
459s	um
462s	and I guess I guess what I'd say is the
465s	game's not out yet
469s	um
470s	sort of the short answer it's I know
473s	it's not a complete answer either
476s	[Music]
477s	um
481s	and and like I I think the game's
483s	evolved a lot
485s	um and a lot of things that we wanted to
488s	do
490s	with the game when we first started
493s	um a lot of things that were like we'll
495s	definitely have that in it's gonna be no
496s	problem slam that in Easy get to go and
499s	done oh there were a lot of things that
501s	we never announced in that category that
503s	we've we've come to realize are we're
506s	very Folly to even consider let alone
508s	attempts
511s	um
511s	and and they got they got cut as well
513s	and there's there's a lot of things that
515s	have changed with what we've even even
517s	things that we that we did want before
518s	we don't want now
520s	um
521s	and a lot of that comes from feedback a
523s	lot of that comes from just playing the
524s	game a lot of it comes from building the
525s	game
526s	um
528s	and I I think this is the
535s	we definitely want to deliver as as
539s	I don't know how to say this properly
542s	the vision we had for last Epoch
544s	originally is has changed over the years
547s	for sure
548s	um
551s	and I know a lot of people who signed up
552s	for it originally there's things we've
553s	done already that are is not what we
556s	originally envisioned and it's already
558s	been a problem a few times
561s	um and I think blindly sticking to what
565s	we originally planned would result in a
567s	much worse game and I'm not saying that
571s	specifically sticking to the original
573s	trade plan would make a much worse game
575s	but if we just said okay well this is
577s	what we said three years ago
579s	uh so we have to do that no matter what
581s	I think is a mistake
585s	um
586s	and a lot changes over time there's
588s	there's things that change with with
589s	just the way technology evolves as well
591s	that even impacts it there's things that
592s	change with like
594s	all sorts of external factors can have
597s	huge impacts on on what we what we
599s	actually create and deliver and all
600s	sorts of stuff
603s	um
606s	and I I think hampering us or like
610s	hamstring us to say like we have to
613s	stick to this one thing would be would
615s	be a pretty big mistake
617s	um
622s	I might have some more thoughts on that
623s	later it's a really important topic and
625s	I don't I don't want to
627s	um gloss over it or think that we take
628s	it lightly or anything like that because
630s	it is something that's really important
630s	especially the people that that did
632s	support us at the start of the game and
634s	and did help and helped us get from hey
636s	this would be a cool idea to hey look
639s	we've got a game
641s	um
644s	and and we don't we don't take that uh
647s	expectation lightly at all
653s	so there's there's there's opposing
655s	forces that need to be reconciled a
658s	little bit
659s	um
661s	and and often up my head I'm not sure
662s	the best the best answer is
666s	I think specifically with the bizarre
669s	um
671s	it wasn't the right
673s	like there's definitely problems there
676s	um and if you bought the game at
678s	Kickstarter specifically because that
680s	bizarre one feature was the thing you
682s	bought it for I'm really sorry
685s	um
689s	I hope that's not the case for very many
691s	people
694s	um and I hope there's more things you
695s	can find that are fun in the game
706s	foreign
712s	when we finally decided like okay the
714s	bazaar's gone
716s	we made that announcement
718s	extremely quickly
719s	um for when we decided we try not to
721s	hold things back as much as we can once
722s	we've made decisions
724s	um
725s	and I know that's possibly hard to
728s	believe sometimes
731s	and there's been times we've said like
733s	okay well maybe today's not the right
735s	idea let's wait till next week but it's
736s	never been like oh we'll wait a couple
738s	years and then we'll say this that's
739s	that's never happened
745s	yeah
747s	usually any sort of delay is just like
749s	okay we've got to
751s	format this answer and you know come up
754s	with
756s	um what's what's gonna happen when we do
757s	say this and you know
759s	all these sorts of things have
762s	just building out the the contents in
765s	the show that's gonna be with it that's
766s	usually what creates any sort of
768s	uh delay more than anything which is
770s	completely necessary
772s	hahaha
787s	okay moving on it's been too much time
789s	with that question here uh is the react
791s	is the reaction what you and EHD
793s	expected
795s	um I I think there's there's definitely
797s	some reactions I've seen that I am
801s	unbelievably shocked about that I just I
804s	like I see the reaction and I'm just
807s	I I sit there and I read it or reread it
809s	or listen to it and re-listen to it I
810s	just cannot understand it it's just like
816s	you know there's like I don't I don't
818s	what is the reaction some for the most
821s	part yes it's pretty expected it's very
823s	very mixed which is I think any post on
826s	trade or or gifting or anything like
829s	that in in that sort of space you're
831s	gonna get extremely mixed reactions
833s	almost no matter what you say I don't
836s	think there's any way to make a post
837s	like that without mixed reactions
840s	um because because there's so many
842s	opposing viewpoints and conflicting
844s	things that are just
846s	like
849s	there's yeah this is this great great
853s	video
854s	um
855s	uh oh man I don't know what it's called
858s	it's like we want you to draw three
863s	uh parallel green lines
866s	but they all have to be red
869s	and there needs to be five of them and
872s	they need to be circles so it's like
875s	these things are just impossible
878s	um and I wish I should do the title
881s	video if anyone knows it's a great one
883s	um
884s	and
888s	uh you know sometimes it feels a little
891s	bit like that trying to um if you try
893s	and hit every single requirement you're
896s	gonna end up in situations where you've
898s	you're just not uh you're not hitting
900s	some of them like it's you you've got to
903s	prioritize some things and
907s	not everyone's gonna be super on board
910s	with that originally or at least
911s	initially
914s	and I and I really hope that that once
916s	people who are maybe a little more
917s	skeptical of it
919s	um and get a chance to play with it have
920s	a chance to um
922s	you know give give uh practical feedback
927s	on it I practice the wrong word
929s	um give feedback on the system itself
931s	rather than uh expectations of the
934s	system I don't know how to say this
935s	properly getting in there and getting
936s	your hands on it and trying it I know
937s	everyone just wants to do that it's like
938s	we'll release it now or whatever but
940s	there's still a lot of things to be
942s	worked out there
947s	all right run remix you ask uh trading
951s	is not giving someone something for free
953s	would not be fair to say that there will
955s	be no trade in last debug I think that
958s	that is a
960s	um there's there's a huge assumption
962s	there in that question that I really do
963s	want to talk about
965s	um and I think that
967s	uh if you add an extra premise to the
970s	start of that an extra Clause instead of
972s	the question the answer is yes that's
973s	true however I think that there's a huge
977s	portion missing from that question
980s	um and that is
983s	um
983s	assuming that absolutely nothing changes
989s	um
991s	the trade system is like defining I
995s	don't know how this is
997s	we've not I'm not saying what
1000s	um
1002s	fumble up my words of my channel I'm
1004s	trying to do this
1006s	I'm not gonna speak to what's gonna
1008s	happen at 1.0
1010s	and I think I think that that's what
1012s	that question's asking so I'm not going
1013s	to answer the question
1016s	because I don't know the answer to it
1026s	okay can you gift crafted materials no
1030s	uh craft materials can items be gifted
1032s	multiple times yes uh can I Craft on an
1035s	item then gifted yes
1041s	to make a legendary item well
1043s	um well with friends can I get the legit
1045s	item
1046s	to them or is it only items that drop so
1049s	when the item drops what actually what's
1051s	actually happening this might clear up a
1053s	lot of things here when an item drops it
1056s	writes a literal list of the people who
1058s	were in the party when it dropped who
1060s	are eligible to own this item it says so
1062s	the item itself knows like I am eligible
1065s	to be owned by
1067s	uh these six people are I guess these
1069s	four people at most
1072s	um and that item can be then traded to
1075s	any of those four people I I know I'm
1077s	using the term trade here and I'm sorry
1079s	I could be gifted to those people
1081s	um whenever and so as long as
1085s	I those four people still have that same
1087s	account
1089s	um
1090s	they make that item can be gifted to
1092s	those four people
1096s	is this is I guess I should preferences
1098s	again the way it's currently set up and
1100s	plan for 0.9 is
1103s	as soon as the item is dropped uh it
1106s	records who it's for and the act of
1108s	upgrading an item from a unique to a
1110s	legendary does not change what item it
1112s	is it uh flips a flag in the unique item
1116s	which changes the color of it and
1118s	changes it to a legendary type and
1120s	everything like that but it's still the
1121s	same item so it still retains that same
1122s	list of people that can own it
1131s	all right yeah so it's it's it doesn't
1133s	really matter
1135s	um you can you can actually drop the
1136s	unique
1137s	uh and then go make it into a legendary
1139s	on your own and then still give that
1141s	legendary way because it's still the
1142s	same item that was dropped originally
1145s	all right uh if I make a legendary uh
1148s	it's a Merry Christmas item gifting Mike
1150s	that's what we should have done we
1152s	should have just themed the whole post
1153s	around Santa's showing up for gifting
1155s	items right
1158s	here we go problem solved
1163s	that would actually be a nice one to go
1164s	to
1171s	[Music]
1176s	foreign
1178s	just arrived maybe you've already talked
1180s	about it maybe maybe not uh she took the
1183s	first feedbacks regarding the trade
1184s	deadblog how how has he taken the first
1187s	feedbacks regarding the trade dead blog
1189s	so
1191s	um
1195s	decently well I don't know
1201s	I feel like I feel like everything's
1202s	fine for the most part
1205s	um seems to be a lot of disappointed
1206s	people I'm quite happy my side don't
1208s	like trading so yeah there's I just I'm
1211s	trying to talk about this a little bit
1212s	but there's gonna be a lot of
1213s	disappointed people
1218s	whether we say if we say open trade
1220s	there's a lot of some white people if we
1221s	say uh Auction House system there's a
1223s	lot of Spanish people if we say uh
1224s	limited trade system uh love this 20
1227s	people like there's there's gonna be
1228s	disappointment no matter what I don't
1229s	think that's a reason to
1232s	um just be clear that the fact that
1233s	there will be discipline people no
1234s	matter what is not a reason to say this
1236s	is better or anything like that I don't
1238s	think that the number of disappointments
1240s	is a reason to evaluate the quality of
1243s	the system either
1246s	um and we're definitely listening to the
1247s	disappointment and the feedback that
1248s	we're getting from from the initial the
1250s	initial reactions to uh how people feel
1252s	about this and suggestions they're in
1255s	um this conversation's not finished the
1256s	conversation is not closed it's not
1259s	um
1259s	even even if we say hypothetical world
1262s	we get to 1.0 and it's identical to 0.9
1265s	it's purely hypothetical
1267s	um
1268s	the conversation is still not closed
1270s	like the conversation's never closed
1272s	um we I think I think we've done a
1274s	really good job on I do think we
1276s	continue to do a really good job of
1278s	um being able to listen to
1281s	uh the the feedback that we're getting
1283s	and I think it's sometimes hard to see
1287s	what all of the feedback is
1290s	um especially because we do get a lot of
1292s	feedback that's not from public channels
1294s	as well
1296s	um
1298s	I think that's generally the best place
1299s	to leave feedback for it something like
1301s	this but it's not where we get all of it
1307s	um
1310s	[Music]
1311s	well yeah let's just walk through this
1313s	high damage thing you know no big deal
1315s	right
1316s	let's stay clear of that
1323s	just heal up a little bit you know
1327s	no big deal we're gonna have to rebuke
1330s	yeah that sounds about right
1332s	all right
1337s	uh do you plan to update all cold
1339s	attacks
1341s	uh for example icicle Glacier Ice turns
1343s	Frost number Etc I
1345s	um
1347s	not specifically but
1349s	uh most abilities have had
1354s	um almost all abilities have had some
1355s	sort of updates done to them so uh the
1357s	answer is probably but not specifically
1359s	because they're gold
1370s	respectable Philly Fair cool I wonder
1372s	what question that was for
1377s	oh with the kickstarter one yeah and I I
1380s	think there's a lot of these questions
1381s	here as well like I do my best to to
1384s	answer them as completely as possible
1386s	um
1387s	oh without much prep
1391s	um
1392s	and if if we want to release I think
1395s	that's a pretty big topic I think that
1396s	one in particular is a really big topic
1397s	and
1399s	um there's a possibility that things
1400s	like that might get a little bit more of
1402s	a a little bit more formal response I
1406s	almost said official like this is
1406s	official a little bit more formal of a
1408s	response um possibly on the accident
1410s	Channel if it comes up again or
1412s	um you know something like that and and
1414s	so my wording might not be
1416s	quite complete let's put it that way
1419s	for a lot of these topics
1424s	oh we've got Jets here answering a bunch
1427s	of questions as well thanks Judd
1433s	[Music]
1436s	trying to be told for years we've been
1439s	told that shards are considered items
1440s	that like that's why you're not able to
1442s	Auto pick them up Auto Sales so I won't
1444s	be able to trade them later
1446s	um yep that's a great question on that
1448s	distinction
1451s	uh
1452s	maybe there's no I'm sorry I don't want
1455s	to solve an answer here on that one
1456s	right now
1460s	fine details that I think are gonna get
1462s	a lot of
1463s	um a lot of attention where
1468s	um
1469s	there's a lot of attention is going to
1470s	come from feedback for Little fine
1471s	details like that
1473s	um so like if we do stick with the with
1476s	the system if if that is what moves
1478s	forward I think that a lot of little
1480s	details like that is going to be
1481s	affected pretty heavily my feedback
1486s	but we'll see what happens
1490s	uh what would you say are some of the
1493s	biggest differences between original
1494s	plan and what was decided as the right
1496s	way to take the game
1498s	um
1506s	that's a really hard hard question to
1510s	answer
1511s	um
1514s	I think that there was
1520s	possibly a
1529s	it's a good question it's a really good
1530s	question and I I don't have a good
1532s	answer for you unfortunately I don't
1533s	think I might in the second year
1539s	it's hard because the the the wording of
1541s	the right way to the game and the best
1544s	way to take the game might not actually
1545s	be the same thing weird thing to say
1549s	um
1559s	I think A lot's changed with the game
1561s	itself
1565s	um like how we play what what sort of
1567s	content is available
1569s	um
1569s	the scope of several different systems
1572s	has shifted very distinctly
1574s	um
1576s	and a lot of I think it's just feedback
1577s	that we've gotten from people that
1579s	haven't been playing it
1589s	ah
1600s	all right why are you making limitations
1602s	on us by telling us how to play your
1604s	game by that I mean why are you telling
1606s	us we have to farm items instead of
1608s	deciding whether to farm currency items
1609s	I think that there's a
1613s	um
1617s	it's a heart there's a hard sentiment in
1619s	that in that question that's kind of a
1621s	difficult one to answer the
1627s	I think I think every game developer
1628s	tells every one of the players how to
1629s	play their game
1631s	um
1633s	and and I I don't think this is
1635s	sometimes it's more subtle than other
1638s	times but I think that that's always
1639s	there really
1641s	um
1648s	and I I don't know I think we're
1652s	if you're gonna make a specific type of
1654s	game you're you're giving people the
1655s	tools to play that game the way that
1657s	game is being created right
1676s	oh there we go
1684s	as as far as like I don't know we're
1687s	trying we're trying to make
1689s	this game that we want to make I don't
1692s	know how else to answer that question
1709s	what happened to a vibrant trading
1711s	system
1712s	it did not align with some other
1714s	conflicting goals
1717s	uh can people who just not interested in
1720s	playing without trade get refunds I play
1722s	Grim down on Titan Quest I know that I
1724s	have no interest in the game without
1725s	trading really just really don't like
1727s	your just trying attitude already know I
1730s	don't like it
1734s	I I can't say
1736s	uh a blanket statement on any sort of uh
1740s	refunding stuff right now unfortunately
1747s	um
1750s	there's like
1754s	I said this is the wrong Forum to ask
1756s	that question I'm sorry I can't answer
1757s	it right now
1780s	it's it's it's also I I think
1784s	I think this goes back as well to the
1788s	this is what we've announced as going to
1790s	be the
1791s	system for 0.9
1796s	does that have implications for the way
1798s	we're leaning for 1.0 yes is that a a
1802s	strict hard guarantee of what it's going
1804s	to be from 1.0 no
1808s	um we've we've definitely built this in
1810s	the attempt to create a system for how
1812s	we think it's going to go very well
1815s	and be the type of game we want it to be
1818s	um
1819s	there's always possibility we're wrong
1821s	you know
1823s	and the only way we'll know that is by
1825s	getting feedback from people playing it
1835s	or right this is the flip side of that
1836s	too
1843s	how do you plan to have seasons but have
1846s	no trade
1848s	uh I
1850s	I don't see the problem there I'm sorry
1854s	uh even though I kind of like Poe I feel
1856s	there are too many League mechanics at
1858s	once everything is mixed together it's
1860s	overwhelming do you plan to have a
1861s	rotating cycle Mechanics for example a
1863s	new cycle starts you have a new mechanic
1865s	you keep three or four other cycle
1866s	mechanics and move the rest during the
1867s	cycle it would it would let people enjoy
1870s	mechanics that are having tons of them
1871s	happening at once
1874s	um I I think we'll
1875s	I
1876s	little little call me a little Columbia
1878s	probably
1880s	um and it really depends on what it is
1881s	and when when it happens so
1884s	um part of why there's that issue in
1887s	Path of Exile is because there's it's
1888s	been going for so long and there are so
1890s	many cycles and so many leagues that are
1891s	they're overlapping and have a ton of
1893s	mechanics and things like that that have
1894s	been that have become Incorporated over
1896s	the years
1897s	um we definitely don't have that problem
1899s	right now and at least initially I would
1901s	say the chance chances are that most
1904s	mechanics most of those League mechanics
1906s	will become Evergreen right off the bat
1909s	um and they'll probably feel more like
1913s	yeah they'll probably feel more like
1915s	little mini
1916s	um little mini expansions and they will
1919s	just a league mechanic at least
1920s	initially it's it's generally what I
1923s	think will happen
1928s	but if this was like better base stats
1930s	I'd just wear it out of spite
1932s	it's not though
1935s	um
1938s	so I think at least initially they'll
1940s	probably be mostly or if not all
1942s	Evergreen Evergreen mechanics I don't
1944s	know how it wants to say it that's a
1945s	matter of term but um things that we'll
1947s	just we'll just stay moving forward
1949s	partially because
1951s	um we want to build up that list of uh
1954s	Indian abilities or mechanics and
1956s	in-game activities to do
1958s	um and then I think likely as we get
1961s	further on and there's
1963s	um
1964s	a better a better Baseline for a
1967s	baseline a better stable of
1969s	finance and Unique Mechanics to play
1971s	with at the end game I think then we
1973s	might see like some taking the place of
1976s	other ones things like that possibly but
1978s	it's that's that's quite a ways down the
1980s	road
1984s	if people want to try the trade sorry
1986s	gifting system can they just download
1988s	and play D3 the only difference is
1990s	there's less steps in D3 gifting system
1996s	is it less steps in the d315 system I
1998s	feel like it's the same thing isn't it
2005s	I know it's been it's been
2007s	at least a year since I played D3 at
2009s	this point
2015s	I I understand the sentiment I think
2016s	it's a little disingenuous to say that
2018s	they're the same game
2020s	um
2020s	and that you know like
2027s	there's a lot of things that go into
2028s	contribute to those things
2030s	being fun or not
2032s	um
2034s	and so like we have very different item
2037s	systems I think overall and I think
2039s	there's there's a lot of things that are
2041s	you know you know it's it's hard to say
2043s	yes just go do that because I don't
2045s	think it would I think it would give you
2047s	a rough idea of a lot of the
2049s	similarities but I don't think it would
2051s	be a good indicator of specifically how
2053s	it's gonna feel
2054s	because it's a different game
2058s	oh someone asked uh Misty at me
2067s	oh you found the name of it the expert
2069s	short comedy sketch yes that's yeah
2071s	right right they kept being like well
2072s	you're an expert you surely you could do
2073s	this right and the expert's like well no
2076s	because
2077s	that's not how physics works
2086s	all right
2098s	uh one of the biggest concerns I see is
2100s	that playing in an organized party is
2102s	going to be far more effective than solo
2103s	player uh due to gifting gear I know
2106s	you've said that you think organized
2107s	groups should be slightly more effective
2108s	you think uh balance will need to be
2110s	tuned further to account for this I mean
2112s	it's possible there's
2115s	um an extremely easy slider we have for
2117s	tuning multiplayer balance uh really
2121s	relative to single player like
2125s	um really really easy so
2128s	um
2129s	we do have the ability to make those
2131s	adjustments on the Fly and have made
2132s	several adjustments to that system
2134s	throughout the CT program already and
2136s	we'll continue to
2140s	I also would like to point out that the
2143s	I think a lot of the rhetoric around the
2148s	um
2149s	the the power difference between solo
2152s	and multiplayer is
2154s	um
2155s	very extreme
2157s	especially if it hasn't been played with
2160s	and I I don't keep saying it like like
2162s	you need to try it to really get a feel
2164s	for it and I think it's really important
2165s	because
2167s	um
2169s	you you get very extreme examples both
2171s	ways where it's like okay well I'm never
2173s	gonna play out of a group now or I'm
2175s	never gonna play in a group now because
2176s	of this
2178s	um
2179s	and and if the goal there is to optimize
2181s	everything
2183s	for both sides but both can't be right
2188s	foreign
2193s	but yeah there's
2195s	there's definitely adjustments to that
2198s	that'll that'll happen
2200s	yes
2207s	all right
2210s	one of the biggest concerns I see is
2212s	that playing in our organized party is
2214s	going to be oh did I say it yeah
2217s	yep that's the same question
2221s	[Music]
2229s	okay moving on have any ideas on how
2231s	competitive ladders will be implemented
2232s	whether it be competitive multiple
2234s	ladders in addition to solo cell phone
2236s	competitive ladders yeah there's uh
2238s	we're still
2241s	um we're still we're we're still working
2243s	out a few details there
2245s	um
2246s	as far as ssf characters specifically
2250s	yeah we'll we'll be splitting ssf
2252s	characters off from uh standard
2255s	characters like like be able to play
2256s	together characters and gift items from
2258s	each other in ladders so that will be a
2260s	split
2261s	on the Ladders because that's a pretty
2264s	big distinction Solo or not
2271s	so many of these details I guess I
2272s	should be prefacing them with little
2273s	plan currently is
2281s	just one sec
2298s	I'm being told that many of the
2300s	questions I'm answering have been
2301s	already answered
2307s	and the conversation X apparently I'm
2309s	way behind
2311s	not terribly uh
2313s	off brand for me
2319s	we're gonna get we're gonna go yes let's
2321s	get some questions this way
2326s	all right I'm gonna stop taking
2327s	questions from chat and uh people are
2329s	gonna feed me questions
2330s	another way so I'm gonna be looking to
2332s	the right now for questions instead of
2334s	the left all right any plan to give some
2336s	love to sets I feel like this is
2339s	uh oh that was the same question I feel
2342s	like they are quite underwhelming
2344s	especially since legendaries uh exists
2348s	that's special effects look nice the
2350s	lack of sets in comparison with
2351s	legendaries is huge yeah that's this is
2353s	something that comes up pretty well
2354s	every week
2356s	um so yeah I can answer it the we're we
2359s	still have plans to make sets
2361s	um I guess emerge as their own uh item
2364s	type and have their own place in the end
2367s	game currently most uh set items fall
2370s	into the category of leveling set item
2373s	or
2374s	um not really an uh a super end game set
2376s	item and I think that's that's kind of a
2378s	distinction that
2380s	um was what one of the things that is
2382s	really good about the legendary system
2384s	is it does bring up set items or unique
2385s	items that were not designed as NBA
2388s	items to be possibly viable as n-beam
2391s	items
2392s	and we still have to find some sort of
2394s	equivalent system for that in sets
2396s	however we're not planning on making
2399s	them just be legendariable through the
2403s	same systems that uh uniques are
2413s	oh
2414s	apparently I am still taking questions
2416s	from chats whoops
2426s	um well
2431s	so working on this doing my best he has
2433s	a lot going on uh
2436s	[Music]
2448s	probably like look at the question and
2450s	see if there's like
2451s	uh already an answer for it and then
2453s	like scroll back up to it
2464s	uh can you maybe show your Builders are
2466s	command for there is a build for it if
2468s	you do
2469s	um exclamation mark builds it should uh
2473s	should give you a link to it and give a
2474s	quick quick brief look
2477s	um we're doing boy Cleveland Warpath
2479s	I've been basically just warpathing a
2480s	whole bunch uh void cleave is mixed in
2482s	there we're procking Abyssal Echoes uh
2484s	we're using anomaly for hard fights to
2486s	break things up uh we're using lunge in
2488s	a little bit of vulnerability while
2489s	lunging
2491s	um
2493s	uh there's some nice little little extra
2495s	things in here as well like there's
2497s	there's culling and and buff for killing
2499s	things with it and extra charges and
2501s	things like that
2502s	uh as for passes we're basically all in
2506s	void night time
2508s	a little bit in the Paladin mostly for
2509s	the alley res
2511s	umping our points right now because
2513s	we're short on health
2516s	uh that's for a gear
2519s	just a bunch of really mediocre
2523s	uh
2525s	like
2526s	decent not great rares for the most part
2533s	this one's this is especially comical I
2535s	need a better amulet
2539s	big time
2541s	that we we crafted this uh reflected
2544s	onto there twice
2547s	unfortunately
2558s	which is which was payback for getting
2559s	the perfect mod on this first try
2561s	hahaha
2578s	okay I'm just gonna answer another
2579s	question here I'm sorry sorry but
2580s	answered uh in regards to the current
2584s	plan for item gifting is each
2585s	encouraging Party play every time what's
2588s	the opinion about when Cycles League
2590s	Seasons come and there's only a limited
2592s	time for progression poor people can get
2594s	more than a quadruple times the gears no
2597s	uh possible as opposed to going solo for
2601s	the same amount I should look at the
2602s	screen it's the same amount of time
2603s	invested how this affected ladder Arena
2606s	Etc um you bounce records towards
2608s	multiplayer
2610s	um we're hoping to have as little
2613s	balance changes for drop rates for
2615s	multiplayer and single player um the
2616s	rhetoric that it is four times
2619s	um
2620s	as many items or more than four times
2622s	the the gear is
2625s	extremely false
2628s	um that is that is not true
2631s	um
2634s	there is
2636s	you you can theoretically funnel
2640s	up to four times the gear onto one
2642s	person
2644s	um
2646s	but there's there's lots of things that
2648s	that change that math that is uh
2653s	just just just like it sounds good oh
2656s	it's four times the items it's not
2659s	um for like just the first thing
2662s	everyone would have to be the same class
2663s	everyone have to be the same base class
2665s	but different builds so
2668s	um you'd have to have everyone as say
2670s	like a sentinel but uh no two people
2674s	wanting the same items
2676s	uh to even come close to that four times
2679s	number
2681s	um and then on top of that you'd also
2683s	have to
2684s	very carefully orchestrate what who what
2688s	goes to where and what goes to Who and
2690s	the time involved with doing all of
2692s	those gifts as well
2694s	um and then it's also assuming that
2696s	you're moving through content at an
2698s	identical rate which
2702s	um
2702s	like enemies or enemies are harder so if
2704s	one person gets a head
2706s	uh they then slowed down
2709s	um
2711s	and I I so I like the damage output from
2713s	everyone's not being accounted for 100
2714s	so there's there's like there's a whole
2716s	bunch of like little things that impact
2720s	in theory yes in a perfect world where
2722s	everyone's playing absolutely optimal
2723s	and the group is absolutely 100
2725s	perfectly organized
2727s	it is a pretty big buff to
2730s	um to finding some certain things
2733s	uh that you can funnel on to one person
2736s	but having it be
2738s	uh just everyone gets four times the
2741s	loot is is very much not how it works in
2744s	reality
2745s	um
2746s	and so this is this is like the
2748s	difference between theoretical and
2749s	practical
2750s	um
2753s	so I I I hope that's
2756s	um
2757s	accepted but if you'd like to debate
2759s	that more I'm happy to
2764s	all right is there a plan to bring the
2767s	interface in some other languages like
2768s	German for example
2770s	um yes we do play into localize
2772s	uh the game into many different
2775s	languages uh I oh go listen can I say
2778s	that list
2790s	okay I'm gonna say that list
2791s	[Laughter]
2796s	if I don't die
2800s	yeah so our current our current plan our
2801s	current goal that we're hoping for is to
2803s	have proper localization for
2805s	uh and and this this there could be
2808s	something that happens here
2810s	um
2811s	that causes like there's always a
2814s	possibility something goes wrong in one
2815s	of these days and realized fully but
2816s	this is what we're working towards right
2818s	now
2819s	um
2820s	the plan is simplified Chinese French
2823s	German
2825s	uh Brazilian Portuguese span Spain
2828s	Spanish uh polish Korean and Russian
2840s	so yeah there's there's a little news
2842s	leak for you
2846s	and there's there's a lot that's going
2847s	into that
2848s	um
2850s	and it's possible that some of those are
2851s	some of what's happened before others
2852s	still too
2854s	um depending on how things go with that
2855s	because there's there's some tricky
2857s	stuff with
2859s	um like we've made our own font for the
2861s	game
2862s	um
2862s	it's not actually it's on some of the
2864s	website stuff but it's on the game yet
2866s	um which I love it maybe it is in the
2868s	game I don't know actually
2871s	um
2871s	I don't think it's anywhere in there yet
2872s	though
2874s	the new font's great and
2877s	um
2879s	it will of course it's not in the game
2881s	yet sorry
2883s	um but the we don't have the character
2884s	set for any other than
2887s	um
2888s	words that you'd find in English yet
2892s	so we've got to expand that there's lots
2894s	of little things that come around with
2894s	localization
2896s	um
2897s	they're still working on
2902s	oh my hand is one to the right
2907s	that's an interesting one as well
2908s	there's certain
2910s	like if if people know this uh if you if
2912s	you you may know this already but uh if
2914s	you are walking
2916s	and you're just you're moving with left
2917s	click and you click on you your mouse
2919s	goes over something that
2922s	um is clickable
2924s	okay I'm not gonna click I'm just gonna
2926s	hold my mouse because they're down
2928s	um and I'm gonna go into that portal
2930s	so I didn't actually click on the portal
2932s	specifically I just held my mouse closer
2933s	down now this is a problem with things
2935s	like waypoints on the ground so you're
2937s	moving you're moving and like I'm not
2939s	clicking here
2940s	um but this just pops up even though I
2942s	didn't like specifically click on it I
2943s	imagine running away from something
2944s	which the problem with um waypoints in
2947s	combat zones and so we just just just
2950s	just added the ability to tag things
2953s	that are interactable with requiring a
2955s	unique click for them
2958s	so good then that's good at least
2981s	all right I've seen ehg mention open
2983s	trade very often yet no one is asking
2985s	for full open trade we're asking for a
2988s	trade of some sort and not full up and
2990s	trade and gifting is not a trade it's
2992s	literally D3 system with extra steps so
2995s	I am there's
2998s	[Music]
2998s	um
3000s	thanks for the comments I uh
3003s	I just like to be clear
3005s	that I you can't focus one Viewpoint for
3009s	the whole Community because the whole
3011s	Community does not agree on what the
3013s	community would like
3014s	um there are many people in the
3017s	community who are who would agree with
3018s	you and there are many people in the
3019s	community who would disagree with you on
3020s	what you're asking for because I I do
3023s	get requests for full open trade a lot
3027s	um I get requests for absolutely no
3029s	trade not even the gifting system a lot
3031s	like so there's there's pretty distinct
3033s	extreme examples on
3036s	everywhere
3047s	all right
3050s	that's a good question can you guys have
3052s	just two modes and select making a
3053s	character one with open traded one with
3055s	no trade I feel like this would make a
3056s	lot more players happy
3058s	um there's a possibility that it could
3059s	have a positive impact
3062s	um it also has a pretty important
3064s	negative impact which we have to weigh
3067s	um and it's it's one of the main reasons
3070s	why we haven't introduced this as an
3071s	option so far uh and that is it it
3075s	splits the community
3077s	um
3079s	and it means that
3084s	um it means that there's
3089s	a possible requirement to have
3094s	um different drop rates and then there
3096s	comes the question of like okay well can
3098s	you then
3100s	um
3101s	like move a character from The Good drop
3103s	right to the bad drop rate system you
3105s	know that sort of stuff and it's it's
3107s	pretty messy we kind of doing that
3109s	already with ssf so like you really
3111s	don't want any of that stuff you can
3112s	just play ssf and there you go you're
3113s	good to go
3116s	um
3119s	but there's no the other half that the
3120s	pure trades not there
3131s	oh careful buddy
3133s	just you know take a little brother
3137s	let's do this
3144s	attack rate goes up our lead rate goes
3146s	up
3148s	so much more survival than we have that
3149s	on
3153s	I'm gonna I'm gonna scroll heads and
3154s	there's a lot of really old questions
3155s	here
3159s	uh it's not gonna try and I'm gonna jump
3161s	out a little bit
3163s	any combat fuel spoilers for today and
3165s	how much graphically game can be
3167s	improved in theory zones and skills I
3170s	mean yeah we've got
3172s	um
3174s	we've we've definitely got lots of
3177s	graphical updates I think there's lots
3179s	of room for more of them coming too I do
3181s	have one a little spoiler for later on
3184s	uh Graphics updates
3191s	um I'll share it a little bit I got I
3193s	got one here after this
3194s	after this I'll share one with you
3213s	hey Mike asking for a friend to Spring
3215s	and we'll get movement booster skill for
3217s	0.9 I'm gonna see what I said last time
3219s	um which is still no more information
3220s	really but hopefully it means something
3224s	um because I don't think it was hurt
3224s	last night which was uh we don't want
3226s	people to be restricted from playing
3229s	with friends uh based on their class
3232s	choices
3234s	um so if you if you're like I want to
3235s	play spriggan and
3237s	um I'm like okay well I want to play
3239s	Sentinel
3240s	um and I'm gonna just race away from you
3242s	with my lunge and you're gonna be left
3244s	in the Lurch too bad so sad
3246s	um we want to avoid situations like that
3256s	so having having a way that players can
3258s	uh can keep up if they want to
3262s	be surprised if they didn't
3265s	is important regardless of what class
3267s	they're playing and we're taking steps
3268s	to make sure that that's the case
3270s	um and it's not just sprigging it's
3271s	affected I think spring is probably the
3273s	the poster child for this problem
3275s	um but just Primus in general uh well
3278s	not strictly problems in general but um
3280s	Fury leap has a little bit of issue with
3282s	it I think
3288s	foreign
3308s	just dumping a few things you know
3320s	you're pretty close was it 900
3326s	what is it
3331s	oh yes the giant 900 that's right there
3334s	that's been covered by the uh tooltip
3336s	that is only looking at this text box
3338s	and not the other one that's my fault
3341s	oh
3342s	all right
3346s	let's do this one
3348s	why not
3356s	the 4X or more is talking about uh in
3358s	regards to time investment yes I agree
3361s	that's why it's wrong uh going party
3363s	only needs one stability and Boss run to
3365s	four times the chances to drop an item
3368s	which is
3369s	way less as opposed to going solo
3372s	running a boss build up stability and
3374s	repeat the process four times on cycles
3376s	and leagues that has limited period
3377s	Co-op play would just destroy those who
3379s	prefer solo they can get to Optimal gear
3382s	easier so I
3384s	there might be something missing here
3385s	but you see if you have four people that
3389s	are doing their own timelines and going
3391s	through to get their own to kill the
3393s	boss themselves or four people in one
3396s	party doing it and
3399s	um those people are going through those
3400s	timelines that a very similar pace
3404s	which is what happens it's a very
3406s	similar pace
3408s	um
3409s	you get four uniques dropped in this
3411s	category and four unique struct in this
3413s	category and and yes I agree that you
3416s	could then trade these four uniques
3417s	amongst each other but there's still one
3419s	per person and one per person like it's
3421s	still the same number of items
3424s	right
3425s	um
3427s	so you could funnel all of that to one
3429s	person so one person's getting up to
3432s	four times the number of unique drops
3434s	out of that final thing
3436s	um and
3439s	three people are getting nothing
3441s	um so you you can you can do something
3443s	like that to to to funnel that but it's
3446s	not four times the items
3453s	right
3476s	and it's it's you end up going faster
3480s	generally I find myself going through
3482s	them faster solo as well
3484s	like I've done this with a bunch of
3486s	friends
3487s	uh
3489s	and it uh it always ends up going faster
3491s	on my own
3495s	way across nice all right question will
3498s	there be a way to party with strangers
3499s	uh like a party finder type of system we
3503s	don't have one planned currently
3505s	um that's not to say we'll never make
3506s	one but there's not one currently on the
3509s	books
3513s	foreign
3514s	there is good old good old chat
3533s	oh I forgot to show the spoiler I'm
3534s	sorry
3536s	I'm sorry what are you doing Mike
3545s	hey peek here
3547s	a little shiny one from primalists oh
3561s	what do you think of making inventory
3563s	where items go into the slots bigger
3565s	size 52 let's say so we can see details
3569s	on those uniques better oh like a um
3573s	as you're saying like like a an art
3575s	viewer
3577s	um I think it's a great idea and we've
3578s	definitely talked about it
3581s	um
3582s	definitely talked about having something
3584s	like that because the art that is in
3585s	there of the 2D art is just unreal
3589s	um
3590s	and and a lot of it especially the
3591s	smaller item slots like especially like
3593s	belts and things like that I was still
3595s	my inventory in the show but something
3596s	but I can't really see it that well I
3599s	think I think a lot of the smaller items
3600s	especially the art gets lost in the
3601s	signs so I I'd love that
3609s	can you say anything about supporting
3610s	overlay add-ons
3612s	um not at 1.0
3616s	foreign
3620s	[Laughter]
3623s	I appreciate that I do
3639s	uh given some common shareholders will
3642s	we ever see Chris Wilson face on a
3646s	okay oh will we ever see Chris Wilson's
3649s	face on a cape and last epoch
3652s	doubt it I pretty shocked at that half
3656s	no plans for that at the moment
3659s	one of the things we do really strong
3661s	this is actually a poor topic it's one
3662s	of the things we've started to do with
3663s	all of our
3665s	um
3667s	uh all of our MTX and things like that
3669s	in game is
3672s	um
3672s	is is having uh in Universe reasons for
3676s	it existing and
3678s	um
3681s	uh at least right now
3684s	Chris Wilson does not exist in the world
3686s	of the last epoch
3699s	I know I skipped I skipped a big chunk
3701s	of questions there's a lot being
3702s	answered by multiple people there so if
3704s	I did miss any questions I'm actually
3705s	caught up now I thought it was further
3707s	behind the map
3708s	um if I did miss your question please
3711s	feel free to repost it and I will go for
3713s	it
3717s	NFC named voice Carlson confirmed uh no
3722s	nfcs no no no no no no no no no no no no
3723s	no no no
3726s	no
3733s	I will fight to the nail against nfcs
3735s	being evolved
3749s	oh God
3756s	judge judges has a jet uh I'll ask Chris
3758s	if he'd like to be in a MTX cable call
3762s	it Chris Wilson Cape skill two birds
3764s	with one stone gross gross
3768s	boo
3774s	why do I love it
3782s	all right here we go it's like my one of
3786s	my favorite vvfx animations in the game
3787s	still I know I know a lot of people
3789s	think it's too bright and we'll still
3790s	see what happens but I love this I love
3793s	this little thing
3796s	that's one of my favorites
3807s	I was watching something and uh
3810s	um Mythic Quest and they
3813s	um they they tried to it's a TV show
3816s	about game development
3818s	um loose Loosely based on game
3821s	development I think
3823s	um
3824s	there's definitely been some some
3826s	conversations I've seen that I'm like oh
3827s	my god I've had that conversation
3828s	exactly uh but but for the most part
3831s	it's pretty loose I think and uh they're
3834s	talking about trying to put nfcs in the
3836s	game and it it just went so horribly
3838s	wrong that was I thought it was funny
3850s	all right
3853s	watch
3856s	so pretty
3859s	you know what I should do
3861s	oh how hard this is but I should put
3863s	like something on my screen to like
3865s	remind myself where the like edge of
3868s	this is it's like something roughly
3870s	there oh it's pretty close
3878s	over there we're there
3880s	let's go
3882s	judge once more forward onto the void
3892s	foreign
3897s	build just went out
3904s	this is a mercy all right here
3911s	do not stand in my way
3925s	oh my goodness stand in my
3933s	water
3935s	oops nope that's
3938s	stream chat don't click on that Mike
3960s	my way
3972s	Behold The Rage of winter this is a
3976s	mercy
3978s	shutter
3980s	dizzy in here now we're spinning hard
3985s	oh yeah there we go
3991s	realize they're gonna like make sure
3992s	I've got Mana
4007s	okay
4009s	any chance in the future for a higher
4011s	tier of legendary unique I'd be very
4014s	surprised
4016s	um
4017s	it's kind of like the definition of
4018s	feature creep or power creeps are not
4020s	featuring power creep uh I think we're
4022s	more likely to see
4025s	um
4025s	like for example set items having a way
4028s	to compete to be something else it's a
4030s	viable option
4032s	um but like like on the same tier
4034s	anyways there's there's
4037s	um not we're not looking at adding in a
4040s	higher tier above legendary
4043s	um but having set items be possibly
4046s	on the same level and like there's
4048s	there's situations where we want like a
4051s	unique to or an exalted I'd be the right
4053s	choice and I think I think in a perfect
4056s	world
4058s	um there'd be no consistent like
4062s	um best in slot all items on your
4064s	character are purple best in slot all
4067s	items in your character are red best in
4068s	slot oh I didn't see your contributing
4069s	like those situations are not ideal I
4073s	think
4076s	um and I I'd like to see for and I I'm
4079s	really generalizing here so I'm sure
4081s	there'll be some builds where this is
4082s	just wrong but for the most part we'd
4084s	like to see where having
4086s	um
4087s	do not have having many different item
4090s	Types on your uh on your character be
4095s	the uh the the the desired
4101s	Style
4107s	okay we're almost there
4113s	all right
4114s	we're not replacing this at the same
4115s	level we might keep it but
4117s	uh chill Fizz res and we could this
4121s	isn't bad cause we could just drop all
4122s	our Fizz res off our gear grease armor
4124s	that's actually really nice
4128s	because physical resistance shred on how
4131s	that's all we want we don't want that so
4132s	it's
4133s	armor Fizz res or just leave the
4136s	endurance threshold
4150s	we're so much overcast on physical
4152s	already I don't think it's a good idea
4155s	like yeah I could cut out a lot of
4157s	places but like
4161s	I don't think we'd see much
4164s	from that right away I'm kind of leaning
4166s	towards the armor
4182s	which arms that pulls up to it's like
4183s	it's an extra five percent
4185s	on on uh
4187s	physical hits that's that's that's
4189s	decent actually
4200s	as opposed to 57 on
4203s	58 of our health or whatever it was
4210s	who knows
4213s	all right regarding trade I personally
4216s	agree with the overall philosophy of EG
4217s	and last Epoch Elias with uh is without
4221s	Ellie's about earning your gear farming
4224s	your gear and making own your own build
4226s	making unique builds having that feeling
4228s	of achievement that you are
4230s	uh that you as a player made the build
4232s	and earned every piece of gear trade can
4234s	potentially take away from that goal
4235s	it's not incorrectly love the fact that
4237s	I can give to Mr friends I play with uh
4240s	and that is planned to be part of 0.9 I
4241s	have the almost faith that Ichi can come
4243s	up with a trade system that works with
4245s	their vision of uh what they want less
4247s	ebook to be my thoughts maybe some kind
4250s	of trade gated trading account time
4253s	gated trading currency to facilitate
4255s	trades for specific items either way
4257s	please know issue that uh there are
4259s	players like myself that appreciate your
4261s	vision for that
4262s	I appreciate that thank you
4265s	thanks bud and thank you very much to uh
4270s	real estate
4272s	release seed release said dude release
4275s	said
4276s	I uh oh release A.D this is the problem
4280s	in in the in the one one thing it
4282s	doesn't do the capitalizations which
4283s	like says so much about what the word is
4286s	I'm like it's released with a weird a in
4288s	there
4290s	foreign
4295s	oh gosh I'm dropping stuff without
4297s	staying on the ground
4305s	turn off the heat and open a window
4306s	because it's warm in here
4309s	all right what are we still missing
4310s	we've got Grand
4313s	ah it's less important yeah let's go
4316s	over here
4323s	yeah I got there don't worry bud
4326s	figured it out
4328s	took me way too long I'm embarrassingly
4331s	long time really
4365s	apparently we may know who that is
4368s	sorry man my bad
4377s	yep
4378s	yep yep that's uh it's just me being
4382s	terrible at least listen to that someone
4384s	who uh who who we know instead of
4388s	someone else
4401s	that boss I just killed is so tough in
4402s	springform yeah you get stuck in the um
4406s	get stuck in the hurricane when it
4407s	dashes away right
4410s	It's Tricky
4423s	I mean I know I know this is not a
4425s	long-term solution at all
4428s	um and it just sucks to do because it's
4430s	the the time on it's so clunky but you
4432s	can shift out and barely
4440s	hey Aaron you'd like to formally invite
4443s	me to a future this week in action
4445s	podcast I I don't see why not myself
4450s	um I'm not gonna give you a firm a firm
4453s	yes Noah I'd love to join you
4455s	um
4457s	Future's pretty vague I'd be surprised
4459s	if you can't make something work
4460s	eventually
4469s	[Laughter]
4475s	guilty ah
4478s	come on let me at least leave some room
4479s	for ambiguity please huh
4487s	drink lots of water everybody
4491s	I actually just realized I don't know
4493s	how to make this one realized but like
4494s	the main spoiler I have for this stream
4496s	uh it's like the most perfect build I
4499s	could be playing for it
4506s	adding on to uh what Master story talked
4509s	about potential time getting gifting has
4510s	the idea been discussed as some kind of
4512s	trade token used to trade with specific
4515s	player that is earned by playing with
4517s	that with that player perhaps even
4519s	exclusively yeah so the
4521s	um
4522s	I I guess this question is asking is is
4524s	having
4527s	um like
4529s	uh like uh my best friend that you can
4532s	like say like hey this person's someone
4534s	I play with and they're my best friend
4535s	in the game and we can just trade items
4537s	between each other freely and like uh
4541s	you could you can like give that one
4543s	person your token and and they give you
4545s	theirs and it's like okay we can trade
4547s	stuff each other even if we're not
4547s	playing together when it drops
4550s	um
4551s	and
4553s	this is why I assumed the uh
4556s	uh the question is asking I think this
4559s	one is basically and I think that
4563s	uh we we definitely explored this type
4565s	of
4566s	um uh system as an option this is
4568s	something that's something we talked
4569s	very in depth about
4571s	um we had a name for it we had a cool
4573s	name for it even
4575s	um and like a few points it wasn't like
4577s	just one person
4580s	um it was a group of people things like
4581s	that and and there's there's lots of
4582s	different things we've talked about and
4584s	considered and looked into and
4588s	a lot of the
4592s	um
4593s	person quantity restrictions like that
4598s	uh often often and I'm not saying this
4601s	is for every single one but often end up
4602s	feeling very arbitrary
4605s	um
4606s	and and and kind of a slippery slope of
4609s	well okay if you can do this well then
4611s	we can orchestrate through some sort of
4614s	like delayed system of you can do this
4617s	other thing and then
4620s	um
4622s	okay well if you can do that then you
4624s	might as well enable this one little
4625s	thing which ends up enabling this other
4627s	little thing and it's it's it ends up
4629s	being like a lot of little decisions of
4631s	cascading like for almost everyone this
4634s	is the this is the the like uh the way
4637s	that they would use it and then the
4638s	abuse case just wrecks it
4641s	because in a lot of situations with
4643s	things like this abuse cases are
4646s	um not something that people want to do
4648s	if they if if they were said like
4651s	okay here you can you can take action a
4653s	uh that is let's go do something fun and
4656s	you get reward a
4658s	um or you can take action B that's not
4661s	really that fun but you get reward B and
4663s	you also get reward a as well so you do
4665s	this and it's not very fun but you get
4666s	double the Rewards or you do this thing
4668s	that's fun and you get half the rewards
4670s	and even if you're like I want to do the
4673s	fun thing I want to do the the the the
4675s	less crazy ridiculous way
4678s	um you end up
4680s	doing the crazy ridiculous way because
4682s	you get more rewards and that that
4683s	incentive that draw is so great in some
4685s	certain circumstances that it's it'll
4688s	have you doing things that you don't
4689s	find fun to earn this reward
4693s	um and a lot of the trade systems that
4695s	we work through and and
4698s	um
4699s	and and looked at if if we thought it
4701s	was a good fit or anything like that a
4702s	lot of them kind of came down to
4705s	that happens in a lot of cases and and
4707s	definitely not all of them and there's
4708s	lots of ways around a lot of them too
4710s	but there's like
4711s	a lot of times it boiled down to that
4714s	um
4715s	and and so several systems got scrapped
4717s	because of that
4719s	or or let me phrase that that was a
4722s	contributing factor to several systems
4723s	getting scrapped or not scrap denied
4726s	entry
4734s	and you know maybe there's a way to fix
4735s	some of those maybe there's a way we
4737s	didn't think of in some cases
4745s	foreign
4755s	[Music]
4764s	we don't have plans for that at the
4767s	moment
4768s	um at least in 0.9 there will not be
4770s	that available in 0.9 it will be
4772s	strictly uh item gifting to people who
4775s	were in the party when it dropped in in
4776s	the zone when I dropped
4782s	which is basically the same thing
4790s	thank you very much
4792s	uh Kent Rock
4794s	nailed that one so good
4798s	glad to have you here hope you're having
4800s	fun enjoying yourself learning something
4801s	new maybe teach me something new that's
4803s	good thing to do here too
4805s	all right how does vault in lightless
4808s	Arbor work when it comes to multiplayer
4810s	does every party member in there have to
4813s	interact with the door so if you have a
4816s	friend with 800 000 gold and you have
4818s	zero gold or you're left with no reward
4819s	or will you receive the same reward as
4821s	your friend so this is a really really
4823s	interesting one
4825s	um and it's I would say subject to
4828s	feedback pretty heavily still but the
4830s	plan for point nine and I I really like
4832s	it and I I'd be surprised if we didn't
4834s	go with this for 0.9 at least
4837s	um but the plan is that we are going to
4839s	have
4841s	um one person
4843s	pays the money
4845s	whoever whoever wants to start paying
4846s	the money that person is the one who
4847s	pays the money no one else pays anything
4851s	um
4852s	and so you go in and you
4856s	um
4857s	but but the only the person who so
4859s	everyone who doesn't pay anything
4862s	um only gets partial Rewards
4866s	um so there's there's this like you can
4869s	you can mooch off your friends but you
4871s	can't quite get full rewards which is
4873s	not your friends
4874s	um
4876s	and and we're still really testing that
4880s	um
4881s	and we're still really trying to figure
4884s	out exactly the best way to do it and
4886s	all those sorts of things and and so far
4888s	it's been pretty positive feedback on
4890s	that
4892s	um
4895s	yeah
4897s	right right now it's we really want to
4899s	avoid the situation of and this is this
4901s	goes back to the key like the needing a
4903s	keys to enter the dungeons in the first
4904s	place it's basically the same reason
4905s	behind that where we don't want you to
4908s	go into a um
4911s	into a dungeon and say like okay we're
4914s	doing dungeons with my friends and okay
4916s	well we gotta stop because Johnny ran
4918s	out of gold so we gotta stop or Timmy
4920s	ran out of keys so we gotta stop
4922s	um or or Timmy ride the keys so we so
4924s	we're gonna keep going and Lead Timmy
4925s	behind
4926s	um and Johnny ran out of gold so he's
4928s	not gonna get much from the wave rewards
4929s	so we're gonna keep going and those two
4931s	can go farm up the things they need no
4933s	we want people to still be able to play
4934s	together
4935s	um and and have it feel like a rewarding
4938s	experience still so we're going to the
4940s	plan right now for point nine is to have
4944s	um
4945s	one person pay
4947s	and everyone who doesn't pay gets uh
4950s	less rewards than the person who does
4952s	pay but it's still
4955s	um
4956s	like the same type of rewards that makes
4958s	any sense
4960s	the specific details about that ratio is
4962s	is uh
4964s	very much upper change still
4972s	come on just this
4976s	why why
4982s	all right any chance at 1.0 to have
4986s	uniques that have skills that proc other
4988s	skills
4989s	uh example when you when you leave it
4992s	causes earthquake and Landing uh yes
4994s	because we already have those so yeah
4996s	we're gonna keep doing those
5002s	uh I I think do you literally quote
5006s	exactly and a item we already have yes
5011s	the example you used is literally an
5014s	item in the game it's called balder's
5016s	wrath I'm not sure if you knew that or
5017s	not
5024s	uh it wasn't quite clear I more meant
5026s	that you generate some sort of gift
5028s	points towards the player by playing
5030s	with them and giving them items costs
5033s	those gift points potentially with
5035s	gifting powerful items to weaker
5037s	characters costing more
5039s	um are there more possibly some big uh
5041s	abuse cases like this that's interesting
5043s	I this a system we had discussed that's
5046s	kind of similar but you've actually got
5047s	some unique stuff in there which is
5048s	interesting
5050s	um and
5053s	um
5054s	I wouldn't say impossible but the big
5057s	like if you're gonna say like okay poke
5059s	holes in this in this idea see see what
5061s	we see what comes up uh the the first
5064s	thing that comes to mind is the
5065s	complexity of the system
5069s	um
5072s	I don't think there's much of an abused
5074s	case uh the the what I like about it is
5078s	that it does emphasize you playing
5079s	together
5081s	um
5085s	I I I I think that there would be a lot
5088s	of complexity problems with it
5091s	um like like what's what's the most
5093s	efficient way to farm points together
5096s	um would become a pretty common question
5099s	and like
5101s	um the balance around how many points it
5103s	takes to to send every item I think
5105s	would be contentious I don't know I
5108s	don't think this is things that would
5109s	preclude from The Impossible but like
5110s	there's there's definitely complexity
5112s	issues and some of the ideas we've we've
5114s	talked about the the main reason they've
5115s	been shut down is due to complexity
5117s	issues
5125s	I don't know
5128s	a drop rate is going to be affected in
5130s	multiplayer with a group or does
5132s	everyone get the same drop rates
5134s	um they would playing solo currently
5137s	um
5139s	there's no plan to have different drop
5142s	rates per person
5144s	um
5146s	based on the number of people in the
5148s	party so the whether you're in a party
5151s	on your own or with four people total
5156s	um a few other people there's there's
5157s	the same when when a boss dies it
5160s	doesn't say
5162s	okay how many people are in the party
5163s	okay now let's calculate the the drops
5165s	it's just your boss died calculate the
5167s	drops and it doesn't matter if you're a
5169s	part of you solo whatever
5190s	Timmy wants stacking keys
5195s	I think we can slip in one more teaser
5198s	here before I jump into the next
5201s	here we go
5206s	before before I do I'm just gonna do
5208s	this real quick
5220s	yeah
5222s	yeah that's the good stuff right there
5229s	foreign
5231s	so this is uh updated VFX for
5235s	um
5236s	void version of Warpath
5241s	as you can see in the game right there
5246s	so there's a little bit of a
5248s	combat VFX feel update you can also see
5250s	there's
5251s	um enemies that are that are taking hits
5253s	or getting
5254s	um staggered a little bit in some cases
5256s	uh there's the death animations
5260s	um there's hippie effects Happening Here
5263s	um
5264s	one of those new stuffs in there as well
5266s	there's so many little things
5277s	is that a two-hand specific act specific
5279s	I uh well the the VFX for each one of
5282s	them is a little bit different
5284s	um this is the one for the 200x the
5286s	other ones are still
5288s	like similar but they've all been
5291s	updated
5296s	you can see the big frost Golem sort of
5298s	hitting hit boom boom stagger stagger
5300s	right there yeah
5302s	I love that those the Stagger animations
5304s	that's I don't weirdly like it
5312s	increase salt and damage we can take
5314s	that for a couple of cliffs there but
5315s	yeah oh yeah
5323s	all right
5325s	let's get back into it it's it's
5327s	taking some beats there
5331s	it's interesting like we're using the
5332s	exact same ability here with the same
5334s	two-headed ax thing so you can see the
5335s	difference here and I really like the
5337s	one of the things I really like about
5338s	the new one is the
5340s	um the feel of it is something that's
5341s	spinning around instead of just this
5343s	blur of of death spiral around you which
5347s	is which is like I do still really like
5349s	this one
5350s	um and it's funny when there's a VFX
5352s	that you like really like and I think a
5353s	few weeks ago I actually was talking
5354s	about how much I like this VFX
5356s	um and then when it comes along that you
5357s	like more and all you can see is the
5358s	better one you're like
5365s	what just
5369s	close I did rebuke that I think at least
5373s	I tried to maybe I just can eat those
5374s	hits
5379s	all right tank Libs uh I've really been
5382s	enjoying all the communications lately
5384s	will it be more of that uh we can expect
5386s	or not much other big items to detail uh
5388s	I don't think there's any
5390s	um
5391s	anything quite as large a caliber uh to
5394s	discuss uh before the end of the year
5397s	um I don't think there's anything quite
5399s	as large a caliber to discuss
5401s	um as trade probably much at all
5406s	um
5408s	just because of how how huge trade is as
5412s	a topic in general but yeah there's
5414s	um there's definitely more things to
5416s	talk about but uh not not quite in the
5419s	same
5420s	same size
5424s	I think I think we'll be looking more to
5429s	um to January for major updates
5434s	um I'll still be here next week little
5436s	little things we'll be squeaking out
5437s	still
5439s	um we will take a break over Christmas
5442s	um
5443s	for all of you that celebrate Christmas
5444s	and uh just a regular break for
5447s	everybody doesn't
5461s	I'm trying I'm trying to work something
5463s	for next stream we'll see if it happens
5466s	hope it does we'll see
5473s	all right
5475s	uh security consultant inside has a
5478s	little smile every time you mention
5480s	abuse cases when designing systems
5482s	within the last Epoch how do you draw
5483s	balance between mitigating risk uh and
5486s	mitigating enough risk somebody getting
5488s	all risk into getting enough risk
5490s	um that's a great question uh a lot of
5493s	it comes down to feedback and feel
5498s	um
5501s	where
5503s	you'll you'll quite have to get a pretty
5504s	clear
5505s	answer from people of like
5508s	what's a good example here I I think the
5511s	the line usually is
5513s	um
5514s	and this kind of comes back to a song to
5516s	you earlier is when the abuse case uh
5519s	has a reward strong enough to pull
5522s	someone from their normal uh normal use
5525s	case into the abused case that wouldn't
5526s	do it normally
5528s	so uh say you have a case that is
5531s	[Music]
5531s	um
5532s	an abuse case that most people are just
5535s	like okay the abuse case gets me uh an
5538s	extra one percent items and it kind of
5542s	sucks to do or it's complicated
5545s	um and like I have to like research how
5547s	to do it um and it's not it's like it's
5549s	not something I just know how to do I
5550s	have to like learn it and set things up
5552s	to do it but it only gets me this tiny
5553s	little bit of like one percent extra
5555s	stuff who cares
5557s	um probably wouldn't be
5559s	too concerning
5561s	but once that abused case is
5564s	uh enticing enough that it starts
5567s	pulling people out of their normal play
5568s	patterns into the abuse case play
5570s	pattern it is
5572s	um probably worth looking at
5575s	and evaluating if if it's going to be
5578s	bad
5579s	because usually it's it's
5582s	um
5584s	it's it's it's a very slow like okay
5586s	it's like it's fine it's fine it's fine
5588s	it's fine it's filling out it's a bad
5590s	enough but it's filling up it's feeling
5591s	it's fine it's fine it's fine and then
5593s	something something tips and it suddenly
5595s	goes from this is sort of a whatever and
5599s	then it tips into an
5602s	overwhelming problem it's sort of All or
5604s	Nothing in a lot of cases with
5605s	situations like this
5617s	is this is where my necrotic poison
5619s	resistance really shine
5626s	so good
5628s	oh
5630s	glancing away old Lydia
5633s	uh so if uh drop rates are the same for
5637s	each individual in a party and you let
5639s	people in a party gift items to each
5641s	other doesn't that create an advantage
5643s	and incentive to play multiple rather
5645s	than solo
5646s	um that is an element of advantage to
5649s	playing multiplayer yes
5652s	um
5654s	now now we're gonna we're gonna jump uh
5657s	jump a logic stuff here in the next part
5658s	of the question uh four x drops and an
5660s	easier time getting what you are farming
5662s	uh
5664s	what you're a farming farm would
5667s	disagree uh I I know it has been
5669s	mentioned that the team didn't want to
5671s	reward people for playing multiple
5672s	versus solo
5675s	I don't remember that it sounds like it
5678s	might be a big incentive advantage to
5679s	teaming up am I misunderstanding
5681s	something here yes I think you are um I
5683s	think it comes from this this like this
5685s	number of four times drops
5687s	um which is not true and I've been over
5689s	that before the stream and we can cover
5691s	it more if you'd like but
5693s	um I'm gonna proceed with the knowledge
5695s	that it's not true
5697s	um
5700s	uh
5702s	yeah yeah it does incentivize
5705s	um playing in a party definitely I think
5708s	there are
5709s	uh I think games like this
5712s	with
5715s	I think if you're gonna pick one way or
5717s	the other to go
5720s	it's generally going to be more fun to
5722s	have incentives to play in a party than
5724s	not I think when there's I think this is
5727s	exactly what we're just talking about
5728s	with exploit cases
5730s	um
5731s	when it tips too far and I think the
5733s	perception is that four times would be
5736s	too far and four times might be too far
5738s	but it's not four times so we can talk
5740s	about what it actually is
5742s	um I don't know what the number actually
5743s	is but it's definitely not four times
5744s	that's just
5746s	it has to be less than that so it is
5751s	um
5752s	but the
5758s	if if the incentive is too high and it
5762s	makes it so that the people who are
5764s	um playing solo and are are feeling left
5767s	out or are not able to accomplish their
5769s	goals
5770s	um in the game that that's something
5771s	that we'll definitely talk about and
5772s	look at and it's it's not a matter of
5776s	just
5778s	too bad so sad it's it's a matter of I I
5782s	don't think the problems is bad as you
5785s	might think
5787s	um
5790s	and I can see why theoretically it looks
5793s	like it might be that bad
5795s	but I I think there might be some some
5799s	some factors in in reality that are like
5801s	in practice that are that are a little
5804s	bit uh underrepresented in the
5807s	assumption that it's four times
5818s	pathetic
5822s	I don't think maybe I'm wrong but I
5824s	don't think we ever said that
5826s	um
5827s	we want to avoid rewards for playing
5828s	multiplayer
5837s	whether the heart wouldn't be or
5838s	anything like that
5842s	foreign
5867s	I thought this was I thought you were
5870s	the same person asking the same question
5871s	from before because we had a very
5873s	similar question asked I think the
5874s	person had the same color
5876s	name is you
5878s	in the chat
5883s	so I'm sorry if I sounded a little bit
5886s	terse there
5888s	I apologize
5896s	I realize you just got here my bad
5903s	all right synergize party will be best
5906s	in single player and then on synergized
5908s	party yeah and I think that's the way it
5910s	is like I I I was playing
5914s	um
5915s	I just hope you're not watching this I
5917s	was playing with my buddy a little while
5918s	ago and
5920s	um
5923s	uh like it's going way slower playing
5926s	with him uh and this this happens and
5928s	also it's not specifically him but this
5930s	happens in all sorts of different games
5932s	um where like Okay sounds in um
5936s	I'll give an example breakfast I love
5938s	Diablo 2 it's possibly my favorite game
5940s	of all time
5942s	um I was playing with
5945s	um playing in a party
5947s	uh we'll net you more gear in be able to
5951s	uh it's very similar way to does here
5954s	because there's it's it's you just get
5956s	more there's more it's share drops but
5957s	there's more drops per
5959s	um per person and
5963s	um
5967s	we like we did uh we did a reset
5970s	recently that was like it was almost two
5972s	years ago now but there was like a reset
5974s	party where everyone's just like going
5975s	like okay let's all go through together
5976s	let's play and we got to the end of act
5978s	one and I'm like I could be the end of
5979s	act three by now
5980s	easily but I'm playing in a party and
5984s	you know you you wait you you hang out
5986s	and your friends in front of your
5987s	friends things like that so yes an
5988s	unorganized party that's not going full
5990s	optimization is not going to be as fast
5992s	it's it's there's there's social things
5995s	that take up time and slow down
5996s	definitely like that happens
5998s	um but it's not just with our game at
5999s	all so yes an unorganized party is
6002s	slower even though there's this um
6005s	ability to share a loot and everything
6006s	like that like there's there's things
6008s	that take up time like oh uh like oh you
6010s	want to go like BRB bio and okay we'll
6013s	wait for you or okay we'll just do a
6015s	quick one without you
6017s	um
6017s	like
6020s	that right there alone is like there's
6022s	not four times
6023s	you know
6033s	um or even just like okay I'm gonna
6035s	check this gear to see if it's better
6036s	like is it an upgrade is this an upgrade
6038s	you know stuff like that
6046s	and I think that's what's what we're
6047s	looking at is that a very synergized
6050s	well thought out well-oiled machine of a
6053s	party is is going to have an advantage
6055s	over
6056s	um someone who's playing on their own
6059s	but if if you're not like
6062s	singular Focus to be optimal the party's
6066s	gonna slow you down a fair bit
6069s	um
6074s	and yeah oh and someone else to be
6076s	saying that the the question about of uh
6079s	avoiding rewarding multiplayer possibly
6080s	was a misconstrue of that we didn't want
6083s	to require Group Play to do anything
6085s	such as like big raids and things like
6087s	that
6089s	which is still the case
6090s	to be clear
6096s	and and someone else's all right thanks
6097s	Aaron yes in chat as well exactly
6101s	um yeah it's it's that we don't want to
6102s	say have a boss that's like okay you
6104s	need for for a party of four to go to
6107s	this boss or
6108s	um like there needs to be a a big rate
6111s	of eight people to show up to do this
6112s	one encounter
6114s	we'd like people to be able to
6115s	experience the content throughout the
6117s	game
6118s	um solo
6121s	and having a boss that's specifically
6122s	like that and I'm not saying that's a
6123s	bad thing in general to happen in games
6125s	like this but that's just that's that's
6127s	something that we
6128s	the way we've generally been planning
6130s	things is
6131s	you're able to complete the content solo
6133s	if you want
6137s	let's say bye to you
6143s	my goodness oh we're chugging oh wow we
6146s	haven't done that in a while
6153s	this is exactly the sort of stuff my CPU
6155s	is just dying right now
6157s	oh
6161s	one day we will do Hardware encoding and
6164s	this will be less bad
6167s	my CPU is struggling to encode this and
6169s	upload it the frame I'm probably
6171s	dropping friends left and right
6177s	oh yeah
6180s	my normally got interrupted no
6190s	there we go let's take a breather
6193s	and we're good okay let's go
6200s	that was that was close it was scary
6204s	hello
6207s	hello Elvis elements
6214s	uh leaning away from trade topic one
6217s	thing I'm curious uh since the MTX plan
6219s	is Cosmetics what's the limits of the
6222s	Ridiculousness of the possible Cosmetics
6223s	let me be on theme or is there a
6225s	possibility of lightsabers robotic
6227s	wolves Captain America Shields as well
6229s	as something like flowery effects and
6231s	rainbow colored warpaths
6233s	um so okay I guess I'll say uh the the
6236s	general goal is to have the items be
6240s	things that can reasonably appear in the
6244s	world so
6247s	um things that that makes sense so
6250s	having a
6252s	um
6254s	having a a cape that has the logo of uh
6259s	some Esports team uh that sort of thing
6261s	on it would probably not happen because
6264s	that Esports team doesn't exist in the
6265s	Game World you know
6267s	um
6270s	having something be it's it's less about
6274s	um
6275s	it's less about theme and more about
6280s	um what exists in the world
6283s	so I mean if there was uh if there was a
6287s	rainbow unicorn that existed in the
6288s	world there could be something that was
6289s	themed around it
6291s	we have no MCX currently planned around
6293s	anything like that
6295s	um but it's it's I just wanna I'm just
6296s	using it as a point of like it's less
6297s	about tone and theme and color and
6300s	things like that and more about
6302s	um what exists in the world and and like
6305s	you can get a pretty good idea about
6307s	theme and tone for the world based on
6309s	what you see in the world right now so
6311s	the things will generally make sense and
6313s	fit and feel like they are like oh yeah
6316s	okay I see why that cosmetic is there
6318s	because that that makes sense
6321s	um
6322s	for the most part like it won't
6325s	it's pretty pretty strongly pretty
6327s	strictly
6328s	um there might be some like minor
6330s	deviations here and there but I would
6332s	say
6332s	it's it's
6335s	solid
6336s	in in the like in set in the world and
6340s	we're not trying to
6342s	like you won't you won't have um
6345s	you wanna have a bow MTX that replaces
6348s	your bow with a sniper rifle
6350s	you know that's because the sniper
6351s	rifles don't exist in the world even
6353s	though on on tone and theme that would
6355s	make sense if it was like you know like
6357s	a a laser sniper rifle I'm sure we could
6360s	find a lost skin that would fit
6361s	perfectly
6362s	um
6363s	but you know it's it's still got to be a
6366s	bow
6374s	can a pink sheep reasonably appear we do
6377s	have animals I mean there could be some
6378s	mad scientists that makes a mistake when
6381s	trying to make an invisible sheep that
6383s	that turns it Pink by mistake huh that's
6386s	uh there we go pink sheep incoming
6390s	uh there's no plans for that
6396s	I hate that I hate the chill
6398s	chill socks I don't have consistent
6401s	repeatable cleanse so chill sucks and
6404s	and slow chill and slow are both painful
6406s	to deal with
6411s	uh rage sucks too
6417s	that's for the Spotify
6419s	what did you make as well
6421s	can I tease any MTX I don't have any
6425s	uh I don't have anything ready to go
6430s	we have shown some MTX before though
6433s	um if you go to the
6436s	um
6437s	the the we sprung a leak
6440s	uh form thread there are some examples
6444s	of ncx that are there
6446s	if you'd like to see this the type of
6447s	thing you
6448s	lead the big thing that ntx brings is
6451s	um like if we're talking about skills so
6452s	we're still doing skill ntx
6454s	um there might be a visual distinction
6456s	that doesn't match a mechanical style
6460s	that we've currently got planned but
6462s	someone really wants it to visually look
6463s	a certain way so like
6464s	um I I don't know if we're actually
6466s	doing this one or not but the example I
6467s	like to do is pretty pretty
6468s	straightforward in that like say for
6470s	example you have Fireball and you want a
6472s	blue Fireball and we don't have a blue
6475s	Fireball in the game as far as
6477s	mechanically is going because that's
6478s	usually blue is usually reserved for
6480s	like uh lightning or coal depending on
6483s	the blue style and so um
6486s	we do a plasma ball but it's still got
6488s	the fire in there too so like if you
6489s	want to like maybe just like this pure
6490s	like Fireball but just straight up blue
6493s	or purple
6495s	like void void void Fireball type type
6497s	color and and we would have that type of
6500s	thing be an ntx it would be like a just
6502s	like okay your firewalls now blue
6504s	um
6508s	uh and then and then as far as gear goes
6510s	it's quite often things that are like we
6512s	really want the gear to be like really
6516s	cool looking
6518s	um
6519s	but we're saving some of the
6526s	for uh MTX so something's a little more
6530s	over the top maybe there's like VFX and
6531s	included in the actual gear itself but
6534s	like I I really don't I really want to
6536s	stress that we're
6537s	um striving to have the gear look cool
6540s	on its own without MTX as as it is
6544s	um
6545s	and I I think I think I look pretty
6547s	freaking sweet right now
6561s	all right is this is this game playable
6564s	with the beta at the moment or is this
6567s	limited to developers
6569s	um the the version that I'm playing
6570s	right now is fully available to anyone
6573s	who wants it it's on Steam
6575s	that's exactly how I'm playing it on
6577s	Steam
6578s	um you can see the version that's up
6579s	here beta 8.5 uh beta 0.85 f is the
6584s	current version that's available
6585s	um
6586s	version 0.9 will become available to
6589s	anyone who's purchased it on March 9th
6594s	it's the right day right
6596s	uh Astro station that's the right date
6599s	appreciate it I'm pretty sure that's
6601s	right
6602s	um
6604s	God
6606s	someone's screaming me if that's the
6607s	wrong date anyways
6609s	um
6610s	and we do also have a community tested
6612s	program that is uh you need to request
6615s	access to that gets that gets access to
6617s	a different build which is
6620s	8 12 right now I think 2012 is the
6622s	person that's on there
6624s	um
6631s	so yeah it's available
6633s	you have to buy the game to get access
6634s	to it
6635s	good thing
6642s	and that does continue forward through
6643s	to launch there's no repurchasing once
6645s	you bought it once you bought it that's
6646s	it
6647s	uh hello Mike I just saw your PC specs
6650s	I'm running an RTX 2060 the ryzen 7
6653s	first gen 32 gigs of RAM don't judge me
6655s	please uh can I expect to run the game
6657s	at 60 frames most of the time for 0.9
6659s	right now I can get around 80 FPS but
6661s	the frames drop a lot when fighting
6664s	um yeah I think there's Okay Marshall
6666s	that's great cool there's uh there are
6669s	quite a few performance updates that are
6670s	coming for
6672s	um
6674s	uh for for 4.9 there's a lot um in
6677s	individual zones individual enemies
6679s	individual abilities
6681s	um every single one of these things got
6682s	taken through with the fine-tooth comb
6684s	and uh they've all been checked for ways
6688s	to make small improvements and we've
6690s	also on top of that done many systematic
6692s	changes uh to several systems that uh
6695s	get triggered a lot especially in high
6696s	combat situations that will all uh work
6699s	to the two increased frame rates
6704s	frame rates and and the biggest effect
6706s	that they have for me personally is the
6708s	consistency of the frame rates is the
6709s	the lack of dips and drops in plummets
6711s	and things like that that happen
6712s	so earlier when I was fighting all those
6714s	uh all those enemies and my favorite
6716s	just started chugging along like crazy
6717s	but but part of that was like I blamed
6720s	it on the on the um encoding which does
6723s	have a big effect on that because it is
6724s	CPU Limited
6726s	which is the problem it's having there
6728s	um but part of it is just this is that's
6730s	a tougher thing for the game to do
6735s	and that's where a lot of the
6736s	uh
6738s	a lot of stuff came in
6740s	a lot of the changes
6742s	but yeah if anyone's wondering I'm uh
6744s	this is this is um i7 7700k that's uh
6749s	not overclocked right now
6751s	um
6753s	and a you know I know it's going to
6755s	unlock multiplier because okay uh
6757s	anyways and uh 32 gigs of RAM and a 1080
6760s	TI
6762s	it's TI
6764s	for sure
6765s	so yeah I don't have a I'm not I'm not
6768s	not running some amazing system here but
6770s	it's I do run consistently 60. if you
6771s	are looking to get a little bit better
6772s	performance
6774s	um and I saw that you said that you said
6776s	there 80 frames sometimes
6777s	um streamer mode will help you
6781s	um the settings depending was wondering
6784s	uh streamer mode
6786s	it will lock your frame rate
6789s	um
6790s	but it will improve your dips
6794s	you'll get fewer dips
6798s	uh how much health scaling is it per
6801s	person like 100 per person 200 no it's
6804s	not quite that much
6805s	um
6806s	and this is what I was talking about
6807s	having a dial we can change pretty
6809s	easily uh and it's something that we
6810s	have changed a fair bit
6812s	um
6814s	I don't know what it is I don't know the
6816s	exact numbers
6817s	uh it does tell you
6819s	uh as soon as like as soon as someone
6821s	joins the party it says
6823s	um the the party size has increased from
6826s	uh one to two enemies now have 140
6830s	health I don't know what the number is
6831s	but you know like it's it says what it
6833s	is
6834s	um
6835s	and it's pretty specific and it's it's
6838s	um
6838s	yeah it's good
6842s	we recently bumped it up a little bit on
6844s	the the amount of Health gain per person
6850s	the Enemies game this is the healthy
6851s	Enemies game
6853s	that's actually a nice helmet
6859s	hey had a question for temple sanctum if
6861s	two people go in the first puts an item
6863s	in this in the sanction between legit
6865s	can the other player take it out or take
6867s	the finished product
6869s	um so uh uh think of it more like it's
6873s	your own personal crafting bench
6875s	um and so you put your items into your
6878s	temporal sanctum and they put their
6879s	items into their Temple sanctum and you
6881s	pull your items out of your triple
6882s	sanctum and they pulled their items out
6883s	of their Temple sanctum so they are
6885s	separate
6886s	um however if the unique that is being
6889s	used dropped while you're in a party
6891s	together that item can then be gifted
6893s	after it has been used in the temple
6895s	sector
6897s	this is and this is as it stands in 0.9
6900s	right now subject to change it is uh
6903s	this is our plan for 0.9 uh the point
6905s	nine plan is
6907s	very solid there would have to be a very
6909s	major problem for us to change something
6911s	at this point for point nine
6913s	um
6914s	and and this is likely what we'll have
6916s	at point nine
6933s	oh hey a question
6937s	any specific players you're hopeful will
6939s	make uh Canadian World Junior Team and
6941s	expectations this year I don't follow
6943s	the like prospects uh well enough
6946s	leading up to it there's usually like a
6948s	week before the tournament then I'll
6949s	just like go like read and watch
6951s	everything and all the guys that are
6952s	playing
6953s	um and I haven't I haven't hit that yet
6954s	so
6956s	um
6957s	uh I'll I'll get back to you on that but
6960s	I am pumped for the tournament
6963s	yeah it's I I don't I you you probably
6966s	know this but as I've said before if
6968s	everyone else world junior hockey
6969s	championship is my favorite sports
6972s	tournament every year it's so great I'm
6975s	very pumped for it
6977s	um
6981s	you can sit down and watch with my son
6982s	this year
6985s	he only watches small chocolate though
6987s	because he's still quite young but
6989s	he does say that he likes hockey it's a
6992s	big win there
6997s	all right something that would be cool
6999s	is MTX set a themed after saigons yes
7005s	I don't know what the
7008s	um legal implications of something like
7010s	that are
7012s	um I'm right there with you and very on
7014s	board myself uh
7017s	uh one of my favorite things to do was
7019s	to show up as uh like a spider
7023s	uh within full saigons and like be like
7026s	you know I'll I'll solo hell mail
7028s	whatever
7030s	um I just feel make fun of you for
7032s	wearing this terrible gear and you're
7033s	like it doesn't matter
7053s	or at least wearing an outfit so it
7054s	looks like you're in full
7058s	I do love this uh this one it's a good
7060s	one
7068s	boom
7082s	lizard have people been nice to Mike oh
7085s	people have been very nice to Mike I I
7089s	I know I kind of stumbled over a few
7090s	questions at the start here and I'm
7091s	sorry about that
7093s	um
7095s	it's tough to talk about sometimes but
7097s	no I think I think we did well today
7099s	uh rough estimate to how many uniques
7102s	going into 0.90 there's still
7105s	um
7108s	there's still a few there's still some
7111s	to be made for it so like I don't have a
7114s	number it won't be a huge number I think
7116s	30 would be an over estimate uh I think
7119s	30 would be uh I'd like
7123s	yeah 30 would be an overestimate
7127s	you want at least 23 to celebrate the
7129s	new year
7130s	I would take that
7134s	uh is there an is there an entity uh
7137s	limit for summons that would be possible
7140s	to reach with multiplayer group devoted
7142s	to maximizing the amount of summons
7144s	um there's we don't have one right now
7147s	um
7148s	it can it can get pretty high right now
7151s	you can get a lot you can get a lot
7158s	uh you a hockey hair fan you all hockey
7161s	hair fan
7166s	what's your team uh I I don't follow the
7170s	NHL that much
7172s	um but uh the Canucks if I'm gonna pick
7174s	a team will be the Canucks
7179s	Andrew I'm sorry I was I was raised
7183s	uh I was raised that
7186s	uh the Maple Leafs were the the devil
7191s	um I I can be tolerant but you know just
7193s	it's it's in my blood I can't I can't
7196s	help that one
7199s	Aaron I'm sorry I'm not gonna give you
7200s	the exact number
7202s	I can't even estimate it because there's
7203s	there's
7204s	like I might say a number and we might
7206s	get in there and start making more and
7208s	like between now and then that that
7209s	throws off what I say very hard so I'm
7212s	sorry
7214s	uh so I've just asked before but will
7218s	there be an option to optimize Graphics
7221s	in Lassie Park
7223s	yes
7226s	like these ones
7229s	yeah I think that's what the question's
7232s	about I don't know
7233s	uh We've hit our Mark there
7236s	we are at three hours two hours
7240s	uh so we're gonna be here we're gonna be
7242s	heading out
7243s	that's all for today
7244s	I hope you had fun I know I did
7249s	had a good day today
7253s	hope to see y'all here next week
7259s	and that's it we're just gonna we're
7260s	just gonna call it a day I hope you have
7262s	a good time
7263s	um if you if you didn't get your
7265s	question answered and you'd like to uh
7267s	you'd like to have some someone else uh
7271s	answered please head on over to our
7273s	Discord
7274s	um Reddit forums we'll be we'll be
7276s	lurking we'll be trying to answer
7278s	questions best we can
7279s	um I know more stuff's gonna come out
7280s	about uh talking about trade and and
7283s	that conversation is going to keep going
7284s	so if you're if you're interested in it
7286s	please
7288s	um please keep uh keep that conversation
7291s	going and we're listening uh we're doing
7294s	our best to engage as well as we can and
7297s	um
7298s	I I look forward to seeing uh seeing
7301s	what comes out
7302s	see you later
7304s	drink lots of water

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