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over 4 years ago - /u/endercasts - Direct link

The shopkeeper has a higher mmr than most of my teammates

over 4 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by endercasts

The shopkeeper has a higher mmr than most of my teammates

I thought y'all wanted Reddit to stop flaming LEC casters.

over 4 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by dcy

I've wondered this for quite some time. Do the pros not think about itemization and their efficiency or is it coaches who tell them what to build and they have to almost blindly follow?

I think ls once said that koreans are practically not allowed to change whatever they're doing (champions, itemization) until it's proven to be good.

In any case, this has been a thing as long as I can remember. With teams that supposedly have strong coaching/analytical staff.

Not to say that there's no innovation happening, just some teams take really long to pick up on what they should be playing/building.

The vast, vast majority of pros simply play on feel. They will even go so far as to rationalize why a suggested build is worse than what they're currently running (e.g. "Why aren't you running Rageblade on Kog'Maw and Varus?").

It's hard to blame them. They've made it to the top 0.001% of players based on their intuition. It can be easy to look at a situation rationally while missing key details that blow your analysis out of the water.

For example, maybe the Kayle Q and Gunblade slows are so important, the only way Sett wins the matchup is through Tenacity. Kayle does build mostly AP after all, so Merc Treads are certainly the better item if you're playing 100% for split push.

Ultimately I still feel that pros make really large glaring mistakes a lot, and whenever you see builds that make you go "WTF" it's probably wrong. But there's some small amount of undue flame.

over 4 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Kayle_Bot

Yeah I just wanted to add. They also play on feel a lot because they have to be focused on so many things at the time of their back.

I didn't think the Ssumday one was super problematic, just that in my opinion the tabi's would've done more for him, even with him playing for splitting so I wanted to highlight the value of tabis, even vs a kayle

FWIW Kayle is about 2:1 magic to physical and she does have two slows. Mercs are absolutely the better buy in the 1v1. At that point it's about your judgment of how much combat is being done on which side of the map. But then that's a game pacing call and less so a bad purchase.

Fully agree with the rest of your video, though.

about 4 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Chancery0

Why is it hard to blame them? I dont understand the level of apologetic for what is lazy, ignorant, and unprofessional behavior.

Building is simple. Yeah, figuring out particular build sets and the most optimal numbers isn't something you can do in a split second. But given a particular build path, there are like a dozen items you are choosing from, if even. Adjusting build order or swapping out 1 or two items situationally is not a challenge. They deserve all the flame. Its frankly embarrassing.

"Feel" and intuition" is bull shit. It's not a baseball swing where there's complex physics and biodynamics, as well as actual physical habituation and development. Its buying an item in a shop, its clicking 3 buttons. Its buying stats that have clear, simple, algebraic results. its not beyond anyone with a middle school education to evaluate item efficiency.

I can tell you from personal experience as someone who's had the same exact job for seven years and am reasonably good at it: It's impossible to be perfect at everything. Any time I reflect on something I hadn't realized, it's just so easy to imagine a generic Reddit/Twitter comment of, "Well yeah you idiot, of course it should be that way."

Virtually any decision can be called easy in retrospect. But that invariably misses the crucial context in the moment.