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20 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by Metridium_Fields

They are buffing Shyavan’s asinine AP build again and I’m here to nut the f**k up about it. Stop with this! Buff her real build! Playing her as an AP burst mage or whatever the f**k doesn’t make any goddamn sense. It needs to removed not enhanced.

You’re taking an already suboptimal champion holding her head under water.

Aaaaaaggghhjhhdkdndndndndnd I’m the saltiest man ever.

So for context, a Q CD buff is unsurprisingly massively more valuable for the AD build in isolation. Both builds aren't great though so we're also adding some more AP ratios in there.

This is in no way not a big buff to the AD builds though.

20 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by LightXB

Is there a possibility of Mords passive nerfs being reverted if this buff does not make him good enough?

Definitely possible. I personally think that'd be a good spot to buff up Morde if he's still struggling after these W buffs (which I think are quite nice tbf) but obviously I can't guarantee that change would happen if he needed more buffs.

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by Hevvy

what area do you guys have in mind for the rell buffs?

Iirc 2 seconds off of W CD at all ranks

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by Metridium_Fields

I really don’t like that the AP build exists at all. It makes no sense with her kit whatsoever and only muddies the identity of the champ with builds that make her look, frankly, kind of stupid. It’s really frustrating for me personally to see a champ I adore be played in this way.

Thank you so much for replying, though, and I’m looking forward to the eventual rework. Which I have no doubts will be awesome. Just gotta let some frustration be known.

Frankly the majority of Shyvana players prefer the AP build. I get that for AD players it feels like they're being ignored but rather we tend to want both builds to be powerful.

The AD build tends to be a lot better than AP also. (right now her builds are a lot closer than avg) but we still think the AD can afford a pretty sizeable buff because we actually do want to support it. If we were just buffing the AP build ignoring all else we could've just given E CD or AP ratio on it or whayever.

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by Metridium_Fields

I trust you and your data. I’m not happy about it, though. I feel like no amount of buffs will make her worth playing because the game has essentially left her behind. Is there any discussion of small changes to help make up for the loss of Frozen Mallet? Not having mobility or reliable CC is just not gonna work in 2021.

Have you tried Stridebreaker?

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by RedshiftOnPandy

Before the mini rework, you could proc TF on her dragon Q and make it AOE. Why was that interaction removed on her rework? There was a time when PBE had a huge base AD increase, why didn't it happened?

I played her a lot before Devourer and it just seems like she isn't good at anything anymore. Her clear speed was nerfed, her AD builds all nerfed, passive was nerfed, and in return she gets AP ratios out of nowhere. She used to be a simple attack speed bruiser you could focus on map control. She has no real identity anymore.

I appreciate your comments in this thread very much despite my whining.

Fwiw this is a pretty big clearspeed buff which imo should be a value of hers

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by Metridium_Fields

It’s a thought. Is that what the best performing AD build is going with?

One of the best, yeah

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by PrivateVasili

How does it compare to Sunderer? On paper she is one of the best champs in the game for the hybrid pen mythic passive alongside champs like Warwick and a strong user of sheen. Obviously stickiness has always been important for Shyvana, but with things like Chilling Smite, Randuins and Bork there are other options for that and Stride's slow just received significant nerfs.

Also, if you happen to have stats, are there still a significant number of players running Exhaust over Flash in the jungle? It was common way back in S2 and it should still be strong for her. If so I wonder how their success is relative to Flash users.

Same winrate as sunderer and botrk, about 1% better than any AP item.

Technically trinity is her best item but it's close enough to other items I wouldn't rely on that data.

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by AmWhaleIRL

Hey I know it's super late, but I work a late schedule. Just wanted to say Thanks for talking about Shyvana literally at all, feels like no Rioters outside of Phreak pay attention to our Champion sometimes (a lot of the time). My question, is if you guys considered anything along the lines of Movement Speed Buffs? +5MS, +10MS, 10% extra MS on W at Early Ranks? I feel like Mobility Buffs would be much more impactful if you were truly trying to Buff both AP + AD.

I definitely think MS is doable for her, I can pitch that if she's still in need of buffs but no promises

19 days ago - /u/RiotPhlox - Direct link

Originally posted by AmWhaleIRL

Thanks for the consideration and for your engagement, I know we can tend to be a cranky bunch sometimes (a lot of the time). 2nd Question if you're down, do you have any Stats for AP Bruiser Shyvana Builds? I feel like a lot of AD Shyvana players would be more on board with that direction than the 1-Shot with E Playstyle that we're used to seeing.

I'll look into it, I'm not sure there are enough games for good data but iirc she definitely has some build flexibility like that which hasn't really been solved out yet.






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