Originally posted by ketzo

incredibly minor health buff for Azir

Babe, wake up, it's time for 100% P/B in pro again

Also: there's no way those Rengar changes are just an adjustment, right? Those are just... massive buffs?

I mean, every single one of the listed changes makes Rengar's life easier. The crit changes to Q make his one-shot even more reliable, damage applying to towers makes top Rengar even better, the vision changes on E and R are just straight-up huge buffs...

Lolalytics already has him as solidly A tier. This seems... a little bit egregious.

Originally posted by misteryon22

After reaching maximum Legend Stacks, increase your max Health to 100

Idk man, I don't think a bit of lifesteal is worth that big of a tradeoff.

Originally posted by Conankun66

Are they really going through with that absolutely worthless "Treasure Hunter" rune? why are they even bothering with that?

Originally posted by Jaibamon

It is realistically possible to get to max stacks of this rune? Specially considering the amount of stacks is higher than the other two.

Originally posted by ketzo

Uh, are you saying 70 + 90 + 110 + 130 + 150 = 550 free gold is worthless?

This rune is super, super good. High-risk, high-reward; you need to get the stacks early to make them worth it, and make sure you can really press the advantage it gives you.

But if you do, you get to play with two free kills of extra gold.

Every single Electrocute/Dark Harvest/Predator jungler or midlaner will take this in 9/10 games.

Originally posted by RiotRayYonggi

Think of the cutdown value if it worked like that :o

Originally posted by IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

Our findings from testing was that Junglers who could get a strong first two clears (impacting all 3 lanes) slingshot ahead pretty potently with this rune, so it could fit a high tempo jungle/roam playstyle.

In testing did it feel like it actually significantly outperformed relentless hunter in those scenarios?
 
Seems like if you're cashing in 5 bounty hunter stacks early enough for the 550g to be powerful you're also probably already at an item advantage anyways at which point the extra MS to be involved in more fights could just outweigh the gold anyways.
 
I have some doubts there, but either way excited to experiment with it.

Originally posted by sebnanchaster

Does Riot also plan to make the same or similar crit consistency changes to other champs/abilities, such as Aphelios ult/GP barrels? Would be nice to phase out the pure RNG that some champions have in crit builds.

Originally posted by sebnanchaster

Thanks so much for the reply anyways! As well, are you able to confirm that these changes (the lifesteal ones) are in preparation for the damage and burst reduction changes that are currently being worked on according to u/RiotAxes (e.g., as he stated here and here)? If so, is there any current rough ETA for when those changes will ship?

Originally posted by RenegadeExiled

all completed items are over 100% gold efficient

You might want to tell the guys that run the wiki that then.#Item_Statistics) I'm sure they'd like to know that a ton of their calculations are wrong.

Originally posted by UNOvven

What do you do if it turns out the rune is terrible? This doesnt seem like a rune you can finetune all that well.

Originally posted by ttaway420

All mages that needed spellvamp are probably gonna feel real bad that these changes happened because ADs abused the omnivamp from Ravenous.

Battle Mages are again forgotten by Riot and left with even less chances actually play the game.

Originally posted by Femboy_ivern

Any reason for removing the plant stack on q? I'd hardly say thats where his skill ceiling lies... It just feels kind of useless if you try to increase his fero timer for qol but it still ends up being a net nerf cus you cant reset it on plants.

Originally posted by Mike_BEASTon

we expect some champions that relied on Ravenous to need adjustments going forward

Are there really any champs that rely on ravenous still?

Originally posted by Jaibamon

Teemo is not there? Teemo pretty much needs some form of sustain, either using Riftmaker or Ravenous. He is an AP champ, you know.

Originally posted by Caenen_

I agree that the wiki page isn't really disclaiming some pretty necessary things about working with approximations or a pretty basic model (because basing everything on the assumption a few basic items are 100% worth the gold of their stats is at least creating a in-of-itself non-subjective system), but I think you could phrase that criticism a lot more constructively yourself (or explain what you criticise so readers here can support or disagree with your argument or refutation, rather than a simple contraditing statement).

Originally posted by Caenen_

Turns out science is hard (and knowing how to get the right messages explained to people not familiar with it is even more difficult) and we only have a hand-full of volunteers, a pretty small amount actually given League's overall popularity.

Progress on these things is happening but it's thus slooow...

Originally posted by Caenen_

Thank you, that means quite a lot coming from you, treasure to the community yourself and all (and thanks for all the puns!).

The real treasure is also all the friends and connections that allow for the level of cooperation to support my endeavours thus far. From in-depth explanations of game mechanics that had not been relevant since 2010, to 7 hour long custom games, it takes some assistence to get it right!