The only annoying part is it feels like everyone in the community has, in an attempt to be more welcoming to trash talk, actually taken all the fun out of trash talk. Players SHOULD get ribbed when their trash talk backfires. Now if feels like anytime someone pokes fun at a player for doing poorly after trash talking they get flooded with a bunch of "trash talking is good for the scene, stop trying to make players not want to do it" type comments. If Jojo says he's gonna shit on EU and then loses 4 times to G2 he SHOULD get made fun of. There needs to be some kind of stakes or else it's completely meaningless. This is also why not everyone is cut out to trash talk and you need to have somewhat of a thick skin to do it. Obviously no one should escalate it to the level of personal attacks or anything like that, but right now it just feels like every response to trash talk is some meta analysis on the merits of trash talking e.g."Well he may have been wrong but I like when people trash talk". It's so f**king boring. It's so refreshing going in regular sports subs where if someone trash talks and it backfires, they get clowned on for a bit and then everyone moves on.