[2020] Ornn's rework failed hard in making him reasonable in soloQ relative to his pro play power. He sees some pro play but has 45,6% WR in soloQ.

Originally posted by Thorgraam

Hey Squad5, nice to see you dropping in here. Let me say that i absolutely love the concept of Ornn as i've longed for a blacksmith champ in LoL.

I don't play him that much now, but what do you think of the thematic changes of the rework, since he went from safe solo laner, with good dueling power and good teamfight, to bad laner with good teamfight and passive gold bump to allies.

Did you notice any changes to playerbase ? Did the Old Ornn mains stayed or did he gained new mains ? I'm quite curious about that.

Originally posted by chosen925

he is already seeing players in pro on current patch, if you buff him again, alone with all the tank buffs latetly, he is gonna be back to picked everygame again.

Originally posted by Coolkipp

What's your opinion on how the aatrox "mini rework" was handled and designed?

It was the first known situation to me of "make champion unplayable in a mechanical and damage sense" in order to give them room to be buffed, essentially reducing the champion in all aspects in order to push it in a certain direction.

These in the past have been targeted at making the champion more accessible to the general populace, but as a result have the effect of hurting their popularity with original players, as making them more accessible inherently must lower the skill level entry point for the champion for it to begin to be picked up at the levels of play with the most dense populations of players (lower elo).

I'm not a fan of this style myself as it negatively impacts higher elo strategies and often removes the strengths associated with the previous higher difficulty of the champion.

Originally posted by Virkayu

Hi again Squad5! It's me from Twitter/YouTube. Just wanted to give some feedback on recent changes (reminder I talk from a jungle/support only perspective so am sensitive to his top power as a byproduct of any changes that benefit off-roles):

• W CDR buff: I liked this and it has made putting points in W feel great in tighter situations where 2 seconds really does matter - also really useful over time on clears and rotations. More W/brittle up time = more damage so obviously will feel good.

• Q/E timer QoL: Used this many times in the past week and the surprise turn around with enemies expect pillar to fall but it doesn't has been fun.

• Base HP/AR 9.2: Was relatively unnoticed but felt good in early laning phase and jungle clear.

Glad to hear you are thinking of something else but I feel we are very, very close. The 9.6 changes helped and on Twitter, we talked about durability that the shield provided, and now we felt a lack of, and I'm okay with slight damage nerfs in lure of increased durability somewhere (obviously not on W otherwise we return to the original problem), but the increased damage he has these days, particularly on brittle has made me feel a bit more useful in early skirmishes - notable considering the jungle meta around scuttle - and so I fully understand perhaps doing nothing here and adding power elsewhere, where I defer to your expertise.

Shield obviously feels useful in laning phase particularly from support. I feel much stronger in the jungle than I do in support without a shield and don't miss it as much while foresting (cinderhulk buffs also nice). Additional thoughts/questions:

• How would his 10% resistance passive work with the new idea for the aftershock update where it scales with bonus AR/MR? This could be interesting in terms of his overall power so want to keep that in mind regarding 'windowed durability' with any shield discussion. Also it really feels like a push to get enough gold and levels to get both items upgraded before a game is decided in general but that's gated by my positional choice.

• Any ideas for more Masterwork items that could help off roles? Support is really restrictive and having, say, a Knight's Vow upgrade would be HUGE for support Ornn considering lack of stats from that position.

• Can you tease us with any potential ideas you have to slightly increase power to an acceptable level?

Thanks for engaging and helping those who are passionate about being Ornny!

Originally posted by mumblerlol

Something I’ve been curious about that I was hoping you could share some color on — when champs get hit with the “powerful in coordinated play, weak in solo play” debacle, why isn’t the approach to nerf the part of their kit that causes this. E.g. with Ornn, why not hit his ult range, or with ryze his ult range (or changing his point and click/uber op gank setup [w] to be a projectile or otherwise less consistent somehow).

Is it champion identity?

Originally posted by Uniia

Good to know that public data made his situation look worse than it actually is. It's true that its common for people to mistake balance for design. I do think that the rework made steps in the right direction and now agree even with the removal of W shield that I used to hate.

I talked with Repertoir a bit on twitter and linked him a twitlonger of my thoughts as a long time Ornn player. Its more thought out and less emotional and dramatic than this post, so if you are at all interested I'd love for you as his designer to check out the experience of one season 2 veteran who liked Ornn so much that he is now the only champ I'm interested in playing.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqrrh9?new_post=true