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Bruh I can't hear "2v2v2v2" without imagining Scooby Doo saying it with a shit eating smirk on his face 😭
Bruh I can't hear "2v2v2v2" without imagining Scooby Doo saying it with a shit eating smirk on his face 😭
...and now I can't either. Thanks for that.
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Wait is this a teaser for the new game mode or the actual fighting game
This is a teaser for the summer event that includes the new 2v2v2v2 game mode, skin line and some other stuff. It's not associated with Project L (fighting game that's being developed by a separate team at Riot). More on the event coming Monday, then a lot of it will hit PBE on Tuesday :)
its posted on the league of legends channel, with league champions, with credits at the end that tell you which games this event is going to touch, more like reading comprehension
It's also just a short teaser on a Friday and we'll have some more substantial stuff, including game mode footage, on Monday :)
I think it’s Samira because she’s getting the ultimate skin for this line.
Yep, Samira
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Really looking forward to being able to call this thing by it's actual, straightforward name, not the 2v2v2v2 description every time when talking about it publicly....
RIOT really should have included that this is an event/skin teaser because there are way too many connfused people in the comments on youtube who assume its the fighting game
We're going to add "Summer Event" to the video title, good call
summer event in all 4 games?
All four will be taking part, yeah, though to varying degrees. LoL PC will have the most stuff going on overall, though definitely worth checking out the others too
Ehhhh I feel having Ultimate skins be part of an existing skinline devalues them. Part of the appeal is being something totally unique. Pulsefire Ezreal is now just another Pulsefire skin and in fact inferior to them
I can definitely see the argument. The other side of things is it means we can do a large event, with a range of other stuff that builds up that same thing, makes use of the ultimate skin in other ways etc as well. Let us know what you think after the event's actually out, or at least how you're feeling after Monday's reveal of some more stuff?
Will there be bans for the new 2v2v2v2 game mode?
Yes. More details coming out next week
Really looking forward to being able to call this thing by it's actual, straightforward name, not the 2v2v2v2 description every time when talking about it publicly....
I'll get the modes team on making some cooler code names
Is there any way this is being brought in as a permanent mode (or regular and maintained mode) or is this going to be a one time thing then dumped in the "too much effort to maintain" pile with nexus blitz, odessey, dominion, treeline, etc etc
Depends on how much people play it. We really want to continue to develop it, run it regularly etc and think there's something really fun to it as a mode. But if people don't end up playing it we can't justify doing so. So crossing our fingers, but at this point what comes next will depend on player interest
Can we get mastery points (not tokens just points) and eternals progress in this mode? This looks amazing and I’ve been waiting for a new primary game mode, but part of what held me back from investing in previous modes is not being able to progress in those areas.
Not sure if we've discussed or not. Will pass the suggestion on though!
really hope that there is a dev blog in store for the 2v2v2v2 mode, love reading the dev blogs and the last one [Naafiri] was a blast
We'll do some stuff (I think once it's live in July, can't recall exact timing though)
This has no connection to Fighting Games
The event thematic and associated skin line do have some fighting game inspiration in them for what it's worth :)
Normally I support the unique skins argument but you are right that this can work as well. Odyssey Kayn as an ultimate skin would have worked, too. And as much as seraphine release was a fiasco on many fronts, her skin being this kd/a tie-in was a great idea.
Agreed, Odyssey Kayn's a great example. I think even as a Legendary he gets a lot more compelling if you've seen the associated Odyssey stuff that fleshes out the world he's part of a bit more
I had a brief, terrified moment where I thought Riot had actually named their fighting game "Soul Fighter" like some shitty shovelware game from the mid 2000s that tricked your poor grandma into buying it as a Christmas gift because you said you wanted "Street Fight or Soul Caliber" for the PS2.
Also, who's voicing the announcer? I know it's an "announcer voice" but it sounds like a LCS or LEC caster that I can't quite put my finger on.
We're instead going for Street Kombat Soul Tag Guilty Versus Ultimate Edition Z.
Is this new gamemode gonna have ranked and stuff or is it just a casual rotating mode?
Will have a rating system, similar to the one TFT uses for HyperRoll
Can’t believe riot made an entire separate league themed fighting game as a summer event
lol
This skin line will also be Naafiri's release skin right? The little glitch with the eye at the end of the teaser looks similar to the eye found on Naafiri's dagger, and they release the same patch
Oh yeah, and Naafiri is sooo fun in the game mode
Hey Reav3 were you the creative lead for the coming event or is that someone else since you're lead gameplay producer
I was not. I stopped working on events when I took the gameplay lead position. The gamemodes team is on the gameplay initiative though, so I was very involved in the 2v2v2v2 game mode though!
Can we get mastery points (not tokens just points) and eternals progress in this mode? This looks amazing and I’ve been waiting for a new primary game mode, but part of what held me back from investing in previous modes is not being able to progress in those areas.
Howdy!
Unfortunately, for the initial run of the Arena game mode we not able to integrate Champion Mastery, Eternals, or Challenges.
The mode works differently enough from Smmoner's RIft that we need to change our approach to these systems a bit if we want them to work well. If we want to grant points, the way we do that today is very similar to the way we grant tokens: Evaluating the skillfulness of the player for that specific game.
In terms of recognizing skill, the mode will have its own rating system.
In future runs and with future modes, we do plan to make sure our systems are well integrated. Hope this helps and down to answer more questions if you have them!
...and now I can't either. Thanks for that.
Good news,
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okay, but what does that mean in relation to this teaser? I couldn't tell if this was
something about the league fighting game
some sort of 1v1 limited game mode
some sort of unique community 1v1 tournament similar to clash
hell, I still have no f**king clue what this teaser is actually advertising
This is the fight you’ve been waiting for.
Soul Fighter opens the stadium doors July 20.
Made in collaboration with Wizz and CRCR.
none of that means anything to me and I've been playing league since 2011. Is this just going to be another battle pass grind-athon with generic daily missions?
This is just a small teaser today. Lot more substance on Monday in a longer video
How will the balance work? For example, is it possible picking 2 Supports without invalidating yourself?
Some comps will start better than others, but certain augments can definitely make 2 supports work. Some of the most degenerate gameplay in tests came from a double support comp.
Hey /u/Reav3 quick random thoughts here:
There's obviously huge buzz around this new game mode, and its something the casual community has been asking for for a long time. I get that the competitive Summoners Rift experience isn't for everybody, but does the SR team ever think of the possibility of game modes cannibalizing SR's player base?
At the beginning of Season 13 and with the huge disappointment surrounding the start of year cinematic, the community was very vocal about the perception that League of Legends as a whole is seeing less priority within Riot. I wanted to bring up the same conversation but direct it specifically to Summoners Rift. My reasoning for this mostly revolves around a couple of things, first, the reallocation of resources to rebuild the Modes department from a team (Champions) who I deem pivotal to League and its evolution. Second, the scope and innovation of pre-seasons and frankly, the lack evolution/advancement is quite concerning. Knowing that for most of League of Legends lifespan, pre-seasons (and mid-seasons) were a HUGE shakeup to the game. This cadence respected the Evolution design pillar set for League, which in turn helped League achieve this longevity, but also maintain its identity.
So I can't speak for what people did in the past, but I can say that I am personally a fan of taking big risks. I was the Lead producer on the old mid season class updates we did in the past, as well as the producer of many loved/hated champions in league (like Yuumi) I was also one of the producers of the Preseason where we added Dragon.
In general I like pushing the envelope rather then playing it safe, so I wouldn't expect to see a tame preseason this year :)
not sure if this is your lane, but thought you might know who to ask if not. Was there a particular reason why the new report-in-game button displaced the mute button, instead of just placing it below and not moving the mute button? I know this isn’t directly related to arenas, but been wanting to ask someone.
It is my lane!
Previously, there were 3 mute buttons that sat above each row on the scoreboard. They were silly small and we were never particularly happy with how they worked. We took the opportunity when adding in-game reporting to consolidate the functions into a menu.
Understood that for experienced folks this means we've added an extra click when trying to mute someone. In order to mitigate that, we are introducing a shortcut in a future patch that let's you hold the mute button to quickly mute or unmute all for a player.
Internal screencap of the new feature (will include a tooltip update as well)
Hi reav! Quick question, do you happen to know if things are still on track for the jungler and artistic midlaner? Or is the final champ of the year only going to be the jungler? Thanks!
Currently Briar, Jax and the mid laner are still on track. The midlaner could possibly slip to next year but right now we feel pretty good about it still making it towards the end of this year. *crosses fingers because that champ is lit AF*
If you are changing how you measure success, could we maybe see some older game modes coming back then?
We're reevaluating the strategy. The team has been full steam ahead on getting the 2v2v2v2 out for Summer, so we don't have much to share right now, but we know that we want to be doing more different modes than we have in the recent past.
Is there anything we (as regual players) can do to make Soul Fighter game mode permament?
Play it a lot! Give Feedback as to what you think about it
Reav3 there is any plans to release another adult mage woman in midlane the last one was lissandra
Like its been sometime i was hoping that the ink mage would be that but it turns out its a male
its been 10 years since the last one
maaaaaayyyybeeeeee ;)
Yes, that's great news! In Naafiri's article, it was written that a high skilled toplaner (Ksante) and Naafiri as an easier assassin was something you wanted to do, is there any other role where you think there is something missing?
I mean tons of stuff. I'm not the lead on Champs team anymore so Lexical is the main person making champ opportunity spaces, but I still had TONS of opportunity spaces in my head when I moved off the team :) Me and Lexical still talk about Champ Opportunity spaces all the time though, so maybe some of my ideas still make it through, lol :)
So is the video on monday going to be our usual dev update with other stuff or will it just be focused on the 2v2v2v2 game mode?
Will be a while (late July most likely) till the next Dev Update. Stuff on Monday will be a pre PBE trailer showing a range of things that are part of Soulfighter, including a bit of 2v2v2v2 footage
Hey Meddler! Dunno if you can answer this, but who's the announcer VA in the video?
Not 100% certain, from memory though it's a new VA we haven't worked with before
Meddler, i have a question about the 2v2v2v2v2(?). It will have bans? there can be the same champ on other teams?
*example:
- team 1: akali and illaoi
- team 2: akali and zed
Yes on bans, yes on duplicate champs being possible. You won't see other peoples' picks until in game either
Reav3 once mentioned that Naafiri was already part of the lore lol, where does she appear? I can only remember Valeeva and Cebotaru, I don't remember her in any stories lol.
She is who Varus was looking for in the Shuriman temple. She was gone because the grace robber stole her
In that exact order?
- Briar
- Jax
- Ink Mage
Currently yes. Things can always change though
wasn’t Varus looking for Valeeva? why did you swap her for Naafiri? Also, wasn’t the temple on Dark Kin the one where Myisha murdered the other darkin? Wouldn’t be safer to hide her somewhere else? Just make this clearer, is Naafiri a reborn version of Cebotaru or Valeeva?
Where does it say he was looking for Valeeva?
Hello, hope you're having a good weekend. I just finished watching August's stream and he was saying somthing that I found a bit concerning, not sure if you can shed some light on the situation or simply just have a conversation about it.
August seemed a bit sad and was even hinting that Briar could be his last project. I'm paraphrasing here, but he started saying how creativity and autonomy when it comes to champion ideation has been decreasing year after year. Champion ideas are mostly handed down from management. Champion designers don't get to "pitch" champion concepts anymore and just end up receiving such work from up top.
How do you feel about that?
Feels incorrect to me. It is true that every once in awhile we do a Champion that has a very defined opportunity space, and that is handed to a DNA team. To be clear that isnt handed to the DNA team from upper management, its handed to them by the Leadership team ON the champions team, of which August is a part of since he is a design lead. Ultimately the Product Owner approves the opportunity spaces before a team starts on them but they are usually generated by and created by other people, many of times from members of the Champions Team. The only time they are "handed down" is for stuff like Senna, but even then, that was a opportunity space I put together as Lead of the team, and also talked to the team about it and the team was SUPER excited to make her, so it wasn't like we "forced" it on the team.
Viego came about when August himself came to me after Sennas release and said we should do the Ruined King now, since tons of players were asking about him with Sennas release. I told August it sounded like a great idea, so why doesn't he make. Then he did. Even Yone was originally pitched to me by EndlessPillows, and then I agreed it was a dope idea so I made a opportunity space for it, and gave it to EndlessPillows to work on.
K'Sante and Naafiri both came from a "complexity framework" August made. He made that framework and said we should make a Low Complexity Assassin and a High Complexity tank since both didn't exist in the game yet. The opportunity spaces came from that document. Briar came from a ability that didn't work on Naafiri but that Design was really excited about, so we made a opportunity space out of it. So that came directly from the designers. The new ink mage was originally pitched by CarnivalKnights when he was still at Riot, he also pitched BelVeth, so neither of those came from design but they were pitched by the narrative team, not management. Nilah came from design as well, as design was interested in doing a bot lane skirmisher for awhile, and Squad5 was really excited about the space so we started a opportunity space for her.
Renata Glasc was kind of "handed down" more so that we were trying to make Silco a Champion for the Arcane moment, but Champs team met with the Arcane team and was excited to try that, we weren't "forced" into it by management. We ended up not being able to make that work but some of the abilities on Silcos kit were really cool, so we pivoted it into Renata. Zeri came from a idea to work on a Champion with Valorant, and August was really excited to work on a Champ in LoL and Valorant at the same time (he also designed Neons kit) So while that was a idea that came from upper management, we asked the team and August was really excited about the idea. If he didnt want to do it we wouldn't have moved forward.
Akshan was probably kind of in the "handed down" camp but it was a pretty loose goal that design could have gone in a million different directions with. We really only wanted to make a new Sentinel Champion for the Sentinel event. Could have been anything though. Vex had a goal "handed down" to make a new Yordle but that was because many players really wanted a new yordle after so many years, though she could have been any kind of yordle the team wanted.
To sum up, Champion oppurtunity spaces come from all different kinds of places for all different types of reasons. Design isn't the only team that pitches Champion Ideas, and if I'm being honest I'm not sure they should be. I think we get better ideas when a larger audience can pitch and generate champ ideas. Design does, imo, generate far more champion ideas that end up getting produced then any other team though.
I appreciate this comment but to raise a tangential concern, in the last few years, especially with LoR's existence, it's felt more and more like Narrative is not having enough of a priority on champion releases.
I'm not really questioning the quality or way that certain thematics are reached, but from your comment and judging the output of the last 3-5 years, it feels like League champion development should really start considering region parity and narrative roles in each region a lot more. At least IMO champions should be a microcosm of the world and their respective regions and have a diversity of viewpoints and personalities but it doesn't feel like this facet of roster diversity and utility is being considered.
E.g. Ionia and PnZ are getting champions faster than some regions that have about 1/4th of their roster. I appreciate that at least Ixtal is getting some work done now, but it really needs to be more consistent to prevent content gaps like 6 years without a Freljord champion. Meanwhile you have regions that have systemic roles that arguably should have been fulfilled by a champion, like a Mageseeker in Demacia or a Navori Brotherhood member in Ionia, these are important elements of worldbuilding that the team just isn't really delivering on. We shouldn't need Arcane to prompt the creation of a chem-baron.
For example, in the case of Zeri/Neon, as someone who plays League and who attempts to play VALORANT, I really do not see a point to that kind of link. Especially since the two champions kind of repeated the exact same thematic beats, downright to Filipino inspirations and with even some loose allusions to being AU versions of each other. But Zeri retreads too much of what Ekko had already explored for me to consider her a decent addition to the champion roster lore-wise. Which then makes me look at Neon and go "ye she's pretty cool" and instead of both characters existing with no direct comparisons, there's always the impression that League got the budget Neon.
LoR is already having to come up with exclusives (which is fine too, I'm sure they want to flex their muscles as well), and while I understand creators having preferences and products having specific analytics, e.g. I'm sure Ionia is plenty popular in general, it does feel like Narrative gets discarded more often than it should, without even going into recent slip-ups like K'Sante's bio/insights being inconsistent with the actual canon timeline or Naafiri just kind of having her dagger broken with no real explanation.
It's certainly not a case of narrative getting discarded, or not being involved. What you are suggesting would mean a lot more "handing down" a champion to Champions team and taking away some of the teams agency in what Champs get made, which I'm not sure would be great for the team. The team isn't old to make Ionia champs, and every Champion has a narrative writer on it from day 1. Narrative usually works with art to pitch what background/region a Champion will have while it's in DNA. It just happens to be that Champions team also gets excited about some of the more popular regions. We do bring up often in DNA which regions we haven't got a Champion from in awhile, but we don't want to force it if it doesn't work. We explored a Watcher Dog for Naafiri in DNA because we are aware how long it's been since we had Freljord Champion but it just didn't work very well for the kit we were making. We really want to get a Freljord Champ out soon as well.
What about demacia, mageseeker added a lot of lore and characters and we still don't have a mageseeker champ even though their important to the lore in demacia or even the durand family
We have explored a Mageseeker champion in the past (while working on Sylas) and it's still something we are interested in if we can make it work in game. The reason we have been hesitant is because to make a good champion you want the gameplay to match the power source/power fantasy. The Mageseekers are all about nullifying magic, and in game the kinds of kits that would do that would either be really annoying to play against (basically a kit built all around a silence mechanic) or really niche counter-pick type champ (Basically a champ that can somehow counter mages specifically like Anti-Mage on Dota) If we could figure out a gameplay kit that would be fun and healthy for the game but also deliver on the mageseeker fantasy we would be all for it, but it has proven difficult thus far.
I'll tap pandora's box and ask where did Seraphine's champion opportunity space come from. You've said several times she wasn't made for the K/DA comeback event, but people still believe she was. I always thought the idea was to design a musical champion and then K/DA was happening, so the projects just got blent in together naturally.
But even if she was made for K/DA she's proven to stand as her own character, so there shouldn't be a problem to talk about it
She was made originally with the intent of making a singing based champion in League, or Runeterra's version of a pop star. We were making her before we even knew we were going to do K/DA for that worlds. At some point Joe Tung, who was the lead producer of LoL at the time called a meeting with all the leads from all the teams and said we were going to do K/DA comeback for worlds and we had a brainstorm about what cool things we could do for Worlds. I shared that Champions Team was making a pop star champion and showed early concept art for it. People loved the concept art and then we decided to make her part of the K/DA moment. The skin, twitter campaign and everything else came after that as we brainstormed cool ways to include her in the moment.
I can understand why a mageseeker might be hard to do, but a new Demacian champion (in general) is still possible right?
yes, of course