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over 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Voller_Faulheit

The theoretical reason why she's allowed to do this while nidalee isn't, is because she takes a lot of time to get to this point, she isn't hurling out w's at any decent rate until she gets w evolve which is usually 2-3 items on a hybrid build and 1.5+ items on the ap build, and even then, just getting the evolve doesn't do too much until she stacks more ap/penetration/haste.

While nidalee can chuck spears at you for considerable damage even at level 1.

Additionally, Nidalee has a self-heal and a 3-second cooldown zero-cost leap that clears walls.

Kai'Sa can walk quickly for about one second. Similar to Zoe: Zoe doesn't have a way out when you catch her.

over 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Ryuumoku

Additionally, Nidalee has a self-heal and a 3-second cooldown zero-cost leap that clears walls.

Lets not take in account the pros of Zoe and Kai'sa...

Yes. Champions have strengths and weaknesses.

In terms of being a poke champion, the ability to outrun everyone except Rammus in a footrace while self-healing any counter-poke is a pretty meaningful strength. What exactly is your counterplay meant to be there?

Damage on Zoe sticks. Unless you gave her a flash (which you can't while chasing), she doesn't have any escapes. Even her CC is delayed to give you more chances to knock her down.