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Simple issues are relatively forgivable such as this question.

"When is the last time you purchased in-game content in League?

  1. Within the past month
  2. Within the past six months
  3. within the past year
  4. I've never purchased in-game content in league."

The missing option, "it's been greater than a year since I've purchased in-game content in league". It's omission is relatively innocuous but it is very telling. It reads like this survey wasn't made for people who avoid micro-transactions.

Let's look at the more leading sections.

By limiting options and responses Riot forces unfair conclusions.

The above survey options create inaccurate conclusions, and don't apply to every player.

I don't personally buy Hextech Chests so why would I ever select that option? The reason this is misleading is it creates false conclusions. Let's assume everyone who responded to this survey answered exactly as I did in the above example. Riot could then make the claim that the majority of players surveyed were satisfied with the content they get when buying Hextest chests which is probably an unfounded conclusion to reach.

Moving on.

Two options are essentially the same, practical responses aren't included, and Riot is insulting your intellect.

Hextech Crafting isn't confusing, it's just a dusty lootbox mechanic. Alternate currencies aren't difficult to understand, they're just yet another gimmick to make Orange essence and sometimes Blue essence irrelevant. Once again, by limiting options you're forced to essentially agree with two passively and indicate that you care slightly less about a third.

For a lot of us this whole page should probably look something like this:

Even after adding practical and real responses your voice is still limited.

Unrelated options.

Okay this one is actually important.

In the above example we see evidence of good survey practices. By repeating questions and options you can better ensure consistent responses to gain more accurate results. This combats people who just click through a survey without reading it. By randomizing responses you also get data on the choices that were not picked. The issue here is the number of instances you'd need for this to be accurate and precise is quite large. This survey doesn't really get close to that mark.

Finally:

This is just confusing.

The wording on this section is terrible. It's functionally difficult to understand exactly what you're saying by any selection because of the response wording. Yes you could reason things through, but surveys in part need to be understandable at-a-glance or you risk inaccurate responses. If half of your respondents misunderstood a question then that question, and by extension your survey, is compromised.

TL:DR Riot's surveys tend to suck, are misleading, present only the illusion of choice, and at times confuse respondents.

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about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Hi there!

I'm Riot aeneia. I designed, wrote, and launched this survey.

I can't address everything you've brought up here, but I did want to mea culpa something, and hopefully provide a little education:

  • That first question, about how recently you purchased in-game content. That was my bad. I forgot to include the option for "It's been more than a year." I done f*cked up there, and I'm sorry to make anyone feel like their historical purchases weren't important :(.
  • As for the rest of the survey, I'd encourage you to look up Choice Based Modeling and Max Diffs. They're pretty brilliant methodologies that help us to prioritize different concerns. (And, yes, we know that something being knocked to the bottom of the list doesn't make it a non-issue. It just means it's less of an issue than the other things above it.)
  • There's more to the repeated questions than just filtering out troll responses ;). Like I said, do some research on Max Diffs!
about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by 25chestnuts

You could really use some rewording for that last section too. Either reword each option as a problem, or reword the question as "Tick all options you find to be true".

Thanks for that! We're continuing to revise this survey as results come in, so it's still very much in the editable phase. Knowing that this is confusing or feels bad is super valuable. Thanks again :)

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by akigo57

I'm familiar with MaxDiff and it works really well for preferential options. The example the Sawtooth gives is ice cream flavors I believe?

Interestingly enough the same process is often used for other online tools to help you narrow down your "favorites" for various things. The Pokemon Picker is a good example.

However that's most effective in my experience when comparing preferences on like things that tend to be on equal ground objectively. I'm not entirely sure that translates well to this particular survey.

> There's more to the repeated questions than just filtering out troll responses

I am aware of this. My original post doesn't object to repeating specific options at all.

Thanks for replying! I didn't think you were objecting, but I think I misinterpreted your comment: "By repeating questions and options you can better ensure consistent responses to gain more accurate results. This combats people who just click through a survey without reading it." as being limited to just addressing click-through ("troll") responses, not being essential to the design of the survey. My apologies there for misunderstanding.

As for your point on objectivity, I'd love to see any academic papers you can point me to so that I can better understand your point. While objectively equal and subjectively different items would be IDEAL for a super clean Max Diff, I've never read anything to suggest that its methodology is inappropriate for something like this.

I don't want to dive too deeply into Reddit debates, so I'll probably sign off here. I appreciate your input -- this survey is iterative, so we're continuing to improve it (design-wise and player-experience-wise) over the next few months. I'm sure this comes across hollow, but I really do appreciate these kinds of posts that help us to make our surveys better.

*Fistbump*

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by JinxCanCarry

It's to make sure the person is actually reading the questions/answering honestly.

If they are answering wrong to objective questions you already know the answer to, then the result of the rest of the survey is probably not accurate either.

Think about this in real life. If you asked somebody what their name is and they lie to you even if you have it written in front of you, wouldnyou trust what they say afterward?

*fistbump*

about 5 years ago - /u/ThuggInUggs - Direct link

Originally posted by toy_town

Why even ask the first question? Riot already have the date of every single transaction for every player, you could just ask somebody to get you that data for each and every player.

Another reason other than honesty check can be to avoid miscategorizing people with smurfs / multiple accounts. If someone gets a survey on their smurf that is registered with a different email, it could be misleading as to their actual behavior as a player in league.

Say they have never purchased a skin on their smurf but have a ton of skins on their main, their behavioral profile is very different from someone who truly has never bought a skin :)

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by cursdonemoretime

"Filtering out troll responses"- i guess people who are unhappy with current state of the game are trolls now

Hey there! Troll responses are responses that are invalid, and do not reflect real-world behavior. For example, if a player says, "Yes, I've purchased an Event pass," but they HAVEN'T actually purchased an Event Pass, it indicates that they aren't answering the survey honestly. That would be a "troll" response.

If a player says, "Yes I've purchased an Event Pass, and I f*cking hate them. They're terrible. Riot you suck." when they HAVE actually purchased an Event Pass, that is NOT a "troll" response, and would therefore be treated as a valid player opinion.

I hope this clears things up :)

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by AJediKnight

Hey there!

I am a little curious about the decision to use Max Diffs instead of a rank ordering question when you only have 4 items per set. Rank ordering is normally fine until you have seven or more items, and would offer more detail. Was it just a matter of your initial question being more focused on extreme preferences? Maybe you already had a vague estimation of preferences (which seems likely), and designed the survey moreso for clarification?

Hey there! Asking players to rank-order a set of 4 questions 12 times (or even like 6) is a HUGE cognitive ask! It probably would take them half an hour to have filled out the survey. We try to keep our surveys shorter, when possible, to respect player time. Also, Max Diffs work either by selecting the "most" option, or the "most" and "least" option. Sawtooth software doesn't currently offer a "rank the full set" option, although that would theoretically reduce the amount of screens we have to show. We use the "most" and "least" because it gives us the most data possible.

As for the vague estimation of preferences, we know that we (as Rioters) have a super different experience of the game than players. This is especially true of PIE, the team who works on things like Skins, Loot, Event Passes, and other in-game products. We want to make sure we don't bias the results by assuming our understanding is representative of player experience.

Thanks for the question :)

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by Bibidiboo

Why would you continue to revise a survey after release? That invalidates the earlier results, because a change in wording or anything will mean the results could have been different for earlier surveyors and should not be used..

For this survey in particular, we're doing an "alpha" release from now until December in just a couple of regions. The finalized version of the survey will be ready to go at the start of 2020. Yes, we won't be able to track things longitudinally for these first three months. However, we'll be able to get some preliminary information (like, "What is seriously on fire right now for our players?) to help make more immediate decisions.

That way, once the survey is fully ready and good to go, we'll be confident that we're asking the right questions in the right way.

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by not_panda

Is the "I don't understand how multiple currencies work" sentence intentional? Because I do understand how it works but I still hate it and it puts me off a bit usually. So I really wouldn't know if I should pick it in the last question or not.

This is intentional, yes! If we find that this isn't an issue at all for players (and it's just wasted space on the survey), that question may very well get replaced with something like "Riot has too many alternate currencies." I won't know until I see the data!

That said, a massive overhaul of all our alternate currencies makes me want to cry lol...RIP.

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by ThuggInUggs

Another reason other than honesty check can be to avoid miscategorizing people with smurfs / multiple accounts. If someone gets a survey on their smurf that is registered with a different email, it could be misleading as to their actual behavior as a player in league.

Say they have never purchased a skin on their smurf but have a ton of skins on their main, their behavioral profile is very different from someone who truly has never bought a skin :)

@thugginuggs in for the nami support

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by Larriet

I just wanted to say I really enjoy the surveys amd always look forward to them when I get selected! For the most part, I find them thorough enough and well-written, although for certain surveys it's hard when most of my purchases are limited to my small pool of champions (not buying Passes isn't because of low value, etc.) Thanks for your hard work!

Thank you so much :). We really appreciate you taking them! There are a TON of people who just click out of the prompt, and I can't blame them. Not everyone has time to go through a survey. So it means a lot when people do take the time :)

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by AJediKnight

That makes perfect sense then. I didn't realize there were that many sets. Thank you for answering!

My pleasure! Thanks for engaging and wanting to know more :) fistbump

about 5 years ago - /u/aeneia - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Will we ever get a survey on how long we think Riv's beard should be

From Riot, no. From me? Maybe. Probably. Be warned, though. I might skew that data based on my own preferences XD.