[2019] Konar's table balancing - feedback thread

Originally posted by dmmnoob

I think what konar needs imo is more unique drops on her table not herbs/pots/alchables or straight up cash.

Just get a little bit creative!

I've seen lists of excellent suggestions for new items/effects. For example:

• A new shield that's given a chance to make your next attack 15% stronger if you are attacking your slayer assignment.

• A new shield that's given a chance to absorb 15% more damage while on slayer task.

• A ranged version for the imbued heart (same boost as ranging pots, maybe requiring more time to recharge?)

• An attachment to the obby cape that gives it the same defensive stats as an infernal cape.

• Other rings with abilities like the brimstone ring, which allow the next hit to ignore 10% of ranged or melee defenses instead of mage.

• A boot that gives negative stats but has an anti-poison/anti-venom effect (stops you getting damaged in hydra poison pools for example)

• An upgraded version of insulated boots that gives a few attack/def bonuses and nullifies electric/shock attacks.

• An item to keep certain monsters aggressive.

• An item to make certain monsters un-aggressive..

• Bottomless/Eternal version of the slaughter/expeditious bracelets, which have to be charged with normal bracelets but can hold a lot more charges (Black Mirror Rs)

Sooo many more ideas could be made into items, polled and added to the droptable!

Get creative guys :D!

Originally posted by Tsobaphomet

Take Pure Essence off the table. I don't see why it's on there. The current table is decent, but the Pure Essence drop is just the "oops bad luck" drop that nobody ever wants to see. A reward should never feel bad to get.

Originally posted by fatboioncrack

Dagon'hai robes

Originally posted by Holmborn

never drop finished supply drops, always either focus on secondaries or primary ingredients. Secondaries would be preffered, but primary ingredients are fine, as long as they aren't an excess amount.

perhaps give her something more unique. A big drop of Slayer Points perhaps? Maybe an item that lets you combine some of the specific slayer monster "finisher" items?

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Originally posted by Thrantax

I'd like to see the Konar's slayer drop table to include actual unique, as stated by DragonfiredRS (eternal expeditious and eternal bracelet of slaughter) , I'd like to see some more eternal gems added, although I'd personally like to see an Eternal jade, opal & red topaz, I'd also like to see the Dragon pickaxe ornament kit come from this table, alongside the removal of Dusk mystic on this table, perhaps add an ornament kit to turn blue mystic into the dusk variant.

I think there should be different tiers of tables, depending on the combat level of the NPC fighting, rather than having an ever changing drop rate, if I killed a level 82 Fire giant and get a 40k extra reward, hey that's neat, if I kill a level 426 Alchemical hydra and get 40k, that's not really rewarding me for my efforts.

Originally posted by Mr_Cruoninga

I pretty much like it at this point,

Just can't understand how you nerf 200 herbs to a maximum of 4 herb seeds?

Like you get like 30 herbs now instead of 200?

Originally posted by Beyindota

KONAR WILL BE THE MOST USED MASTER FOR THE MOST TRAINED SKILL. you HAVE to add some uniques with some form of removal from the game, just like what happened with abyssal whips, you introduced kraken and whips are in a pretty good spot. my suggestion is adding a decent item but with a strong sink. so it will always keep the price

Originally posted by DreamyRS

Volcanic Ash. Please for gods sake add Volcanic Ash

Originally posted by malphito

up the amount of seeds.

add some filler drops (by readding the runes)

add some good drops (by upping the seeds)

Originally posted by Spikeball

I saw that there was a J-mod response on this, so I would guess it's been brought up, but u/Xytherior had a really fitting idea for some uniques on Konar's drop table: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/af1l00

Originally posted by StripedOtter

People's problem with the herb drops wasn't the value of the drops, but the fact that it dropped herbs. I suggest increasing the seed drops to reflect the value that was originally in the table (5-10 for everything except for magic seeds, which should probably be closer to 3-6).

Having high value drops makes it much more exciting when you get them. If you have to make them more rare to balance this, that's fine, but as it is, all drops are currently in the "Oh, another 50k drop, whatever" range. Keep the average value per kill the same, but make the drop table more exciting by having occasional high value drops.

That being said, the Konar drop table is an excellent idea that has revitalized my drive to grind slayer. I'll definitely be getting 99 this semester thanks to this update.

Originally posted by diregna

Honestly idc what is on the drop table as long as the value is returned to what it originally was.

Originally posted by Bulbaswag

I'd like it to get buffed up a bit more. Not sure how but that's not my department

Originally posted by DenimChickenCaesar

Warding!

Originally posted by ZeahFeGod

Since the community is obsessed with it is either "dead content or too op so devalues X" and "we need mid tier content", why not add a t55 armour that has offensive stats?

I was thinking a version of Konar's armor as a unique. It would give +1 str and +2 accuracy to all offensive melee stats for the legs. +2 str and +3/4 accuracy to all the offensive melee stats for the body.

This wouldn't devalue bandos but could still potentially add a max hit to your attacks while adding some accuracy to it too. Also you could get into Konar's pants so that's a pro too.

Originally posted by Tepozan

Please add a unique Crystal Bow attachment. The bow looks so cool, but it is so useless in the game 😔

Twisted bows, blowpipe and crossbows are the meta. Making the only bow worth using just the twisted bow

Originally posted by sloth-says-what

As someone who had access to both tables, and will still be using Konar despite any future nerfs or buffs, here are my thoughts.

The concept I really enjoy, doing hellhounds that has a chance for a drop is exciting again, so please don't remove it!

The drops should scale significantly better the higher level the enemy. While I understand that they do have a chance to roll higher, it doesn't feel impactful enough. Maybe have a higher minimum on higher level enemies, and even bumping up the max number. Getting like 30 extra Addy bolts from a significantly harder task is pretty depressing.

Lastly, maybe add some untradable drops on the table? Like some untradable food or potion or something that helps with Slayer.

As a side note, I HATE cannoning tasks, it feels like it makes the game and task too easy. I'd rather Konar didn't have any cannonable tasks, but that's probably too much to ask for. Maybe if a cannon gets kill credit it won't roll KDT?

Originally posted by LeCanadien

I'd buff it a bit, currently feels weak. I'd also make it 100 cb req

Originally posted by Timewastedd

Add them to warding. Also, any chance of old guilds updated/new guilds introduced? Sucks only a small amount of skills have guilds ingame

Originally posted by TheIr0nDuke

My Problem with the table as it stands is that its taken away the amazing feeling i got when i got a big drop. When i saw a big it felt winning the lottery. Getting a mill drop. Even tho compared to my bank its not really big. But i still got the feeling, now i feel underwhelmed constantly by the drops. Which makes being put on a bad task feel so much worse.

The feeling i had with the first drop table was that i was going to have a great feeling looking at every drop, now i feel like i should just never user her, instead just grind eff Exp up to 80's and just do what everyone else is doing to get good GP.

Went from feeling like an exciting gameplay experience, too , grind is best -.-

Originally posted by mikemckew

The new mystic should have been polled. I understand that a quick decision was needed, but I think the item/amount tweaks would have sufficed - the new mystic wasn't crucial to add.

Having hit both the old and new drop tables numerous times, I think the new one feels more fair. I definitely am in the camp that thinks the items were a larger issue than the value. Hopefully a balance can be struck.

Originally posted by Thermald

Based on value alone - I don't mind the original drop table's rewards. I think that doing Konar for slayer can be compared to doing clues for GP - generally shit, but you might luck out and get those rangers/7.5m (2500 brew value) drop.

Are you open to other uniques on Konar's drop table?

Originally posted by MattG2

Killing abyssal demons in the abyssal area is aids. I understand it, but its aids.

That is all.

Originally posted by Pyarox

i couldnt profit much of the old table cause of work, and with the ''rebalance'' im not even motivated to do konar slayer, i hope u guys make it interesting again

Originally posted by z-u-c-c

Ornament kit for Fire / Infernal capes (a blue variant maybe)

Originally posted by Abubymous

Not 100% related, but it would be awesome if we could use a small amount of points to reroll the location Konar has given us.

Edit: Thanks for my first award ever, quite unexpected :)

Originally posted by p3tch

OSRS dev team need to familiarise themselves with the anchor effect

A common example would be a salesman starts off with a high value, and then a lower value seems WAY better to the customer, so they buy it

The opposite is happening in this thread, you gave players (who are mostly not very wealthy) large value drops, and then took them away (slightly). If the drops were what they are now to begin with you can bet that nobody would be asking for buffs to the drops.