[2021] Can the Devs please look into Moaning winds being broken when host?

Hey there, thanks for bringing this up again.

I've raised this issue with the team a few times and each time the reports have led us to finding and resolving an issue related to what was being reporting. For example, we fixed a bug related to Gravity Leap and another bug related to Blood Donation because those were being inconsistent in combo with Moaning Winds.

I've raised it again with the team and for us to hopefully try to ignore all other variables and try and get a solid reproduction of this occurring on our staging and test and only in relation to host and client.

Side musing:

What happens, however, if it turns out that the bug is that clients are doing 2x damage? That it's output is indeed higher than it should be?

Given that Moaning Winds is already OP and overused, depending on how we resolve this issue, players might see us as "buffing" an already OP skill (if we fix to give more damage), or nerfing a "meta" skill (if we fix to reduce damage).

No easy answers unfortunately. I do hope to in future be able to open a discussion around Moaning Winds and Fortress though... I think most folks are aware that they're in a weird place.

Thanks for the reply! The team and I have been reading everyone's thoughts here on an ongoing basis, so getting more input is always useful.

I think it's worth mentioning one of the biggest issues with Moaning Winds: It's that players are multi-stacking the mod across all weapons, emptying their magazines and then multi-triggering the damage effect by cycling through weapons very quickly after just running into a group of enemies. So the damage output of Moaning Winds can effectively be greatly increased through a rather unorthodox playstyle, especially in solo play where enemies gather in one spot.

This is actually not something we had envisioned at all when Moaning Winds was conceived. I do hope to talk more about how Moaning Winds was initially created and what options we might consider for it in future.

Clip Combustion doesn't lend itself to similar abuse so I don't think that is something we're necessarily worried about at this stage.