[2020] Season 1 Balance Changes and More!

Originally posted by kattrackarn

I'm dissapointed about sniper being able to one shot again though

Originally posted by MagnumDopusTS

That dtap clip size must be a typo right?

Originally posted by TheInvictusTV

1. The Komodo, Salvo, and Skybreaker all had their damage reverted, but it was not clarified if their original pushback mechanic was re-implemented. Was it added back to explosive weapons?
2. The patch notes do not mention Aim Assist adjustments. Is this because there currently aren't any or is that still not being announced yet?

Originally posted by veritas670

FYI mods - the previous value of Ripper damage is incorrect according to v0.5 patch notes:

RIPPER Detailed changes:

Increased Damage to 13/13/13/13/15, up from 11/11/11/11/13.

Originally posted by veritas670

FYI mods - the previous value of Ripper damage is incorrect according to v0.5 patch notes:

RIPPER Detailed changes:

Increased Damage to 13/13/13/13/15, up from 11/11/11/11/13.

Originally posted by prkz

Can you please answer second question as well? Thanks in advance. Hopefully someone just forgot to include aim assist adjustments into patch notes.

Originally posted by catfroman

No aim assist changes? Everything else seems great

Originally posted by Yiazz

Everything looks amazing, except for:

We also decided to reintroduce the one-shot kill capacity of the Protocol V sniper rifle

See you all tomorrow! :D

Originally posted by ClayPlusPlus

Overall some very interesting changes that I'm cautiously optimistic towards! While these changes look promising, I hate to be that player that raises some concern, but I want to bring up the changes with the Protocol IV.

I personally think the Protocol IV should not one shot an enemy, at least when the target is completely unaware that they are being aimed at. While it feels really good to snipe some poor unknowing soul, it also feels pretty bad to be moving and shooting to all but sudden getting one-shot from a sniper halfway across the map and all that momentum is instantly gone. There isn't much counter play to that unless they miss the shot, at which point I can attempt to move out of the snipers line of sight. Now this problem is less of an issue in most other BR's because of bullet drop and speed on most snipers, so there is even MORE skill to calculate the trajectory of the bullet and the enemy player's movement in order to land that headshot you want. The Protocol IV is essentially a rail-gun, 0 drop off and ridiculous quick bullet travel speed, so the difficulty to land a snipe is reduced significantly. This makes dying to a Protocol IV feel like a cheap death currently. Just some speculation here, but I think the reasoning is because the developers thought the player movement and hacks were fast enough to counter the 0 drop off since they're jumping and moving around way more than any other BR, however this isn't the case when you give this to a god-tier player or hacker.

If they want to keep the one shot potential of the Protocol IV, my proposed solution would be to either implement a scope glint similar to how Modern Warfare does it (that'll allow me to at least see where the enemy is and try to move out of sight) or by letting the player know they are being aimed at via sound cue or HUD icon (maybe akin to Titanfall 2's "Pilot Locking" UI icon with the cardinal direction of the shooter highlighted). This gives players a chance to counter said sniper by moving to cover or move more unpredictably, and would most likely lessen the feeling of cheapness that dying to a Protocol IV currently has. Now ideally the sniper would function similarly to the Sentinel from Apex Legends with a slight bullet drop and (slightly) slower bullet travel speed than what the Protocol IV currently has, but since creating bullet drop is more difficult than a UI/HUD change or global VFX like sniper glint, I would be happy with those changes instead.

I dunno if the devs look at these comments, but I hope they see this, because I really want the game to succeed and want to provide clear feedback whenever possible to make the game better and more enjoyable.

Originally posted by Arrotanis

Fix the aim assist or this game dies by the end of the week again..

Originally posted by _michaelscarn1

is there gonna be some sort cosmetic/emblem or something for those that win a game?

Originally posted by PillBaxton

Did I miss it or is always run still not implemented?

Originally posted by 2px_

why didn't you show the old vs new stats like in the old patch notes instead of just the new ones? much easier to understand what's going on then :(

Apologies for the confusion! I did do a TLDR in the official Discord on what has changed since Patch v0.5. Here are the weapon changes

and here are the hacks!

Originally posted by LunarFrag

I looked at the option to make voice chat party only and that has me wondering, can talk to the whole lobby? If so that is pretty damn cool

Originally posted by SaltiestSeaCucumber

Lol. Good luck keeping a playerbase. I’m not trying to be toxic, but with aim assist the way it is and reintroducing the one shot capabilities of the Protocol, a lot of people aren’t going to be coming back. It’s that simple.

Originally posted by Humble_Cellist_9486

hi wanted to ask will there be crossplay??

Originally posted by Valkyriebourne

Should've left the mines where they were at IMO.

Originally posted by Serile

I wish they had kept the riot buff, or at least not reverted it completely, the gun at lower levels before 0.5 patch felt a bit underpowered as the damage was quite low compared to the final fusions, with the patch 0.5 it felt really good to use a riot even when it was low level.

Originally posted by SnesySnas

I think the Ball still having nothing done with it other than revert it kinda sucks, people have been saying then wish it buffed instead of nerfed, i mean they buffed it back but back to normal

I still think TTK shouldn't be low but some changes were made so we'll have to see how it goes, i personaly don't like the Sniper back to being oneshot as IF there is a cheater using it, you can easily die by it considering the bullet ain't a projectile

Also the D-Tap is gonna be near useless now so..Rip that gun

Originally posted by Taaen

ANTI-CHEAT & ANTI-TOXICITY

Player Reporting Tool: This first version of the tool allows players to report other players they are in a Squad with. To access the Report option, select the name of the Squad player the Social Menu.

So nothing changes..

And what about AUTO-AIM??

Originally posted by 5erade

LETHAL MELEE EVENT (NEW!)

New Game Event triggered via Viewers’ Vote on Crowncast extension only.

Effect: Melee deals massive damage (enough to instantly eliminate an opponent).

Event Duration: 50s

So a whole minute of people invis / one-hit melee?

It should of just been double melee dmg not one shot...

Originally posted by UnlawfulFoxy

LETHAL MELEE EVENT (NEW!)

New Game Event triggered via Viewers’ Vote on Crowncast extension only.

Effect: Melee deals massive damage (enough to instantly eliminate an opponent).

Event Duration: 50s

Ok, so I love everything in this patch but this seems absolutely insane to me. 1 shoting someone with a melee weapon is absolutely horrible for the game.

Imagine you sneak up on someone from a bit away, and you get enough free shots to get them down to half, or you just completely out-aimed them in your first encounter with them, you have no explosives and just hitscan guns like a lot of people run, whether it be a Ripper and Riot, Riot and Protocol, whatever. So the guy you were fighting can literally just run inside a building, and just crouch by the entrance, ready to 1 shot you if you come in. Sure you could try and melee them yourself, but then it just turns into a 50/50 of who gets the first swing. There would be 0 counter play to this, unless you want to always carry an explosive you could shoot inside the building from a safe distance, however even then the person could just run up the stairs, or out the back, and keep camping the corners, forcing you to stop fighting, which would be so horrible to play. We already hated low gravity back when it was out just because you couldn't jump in the open or else you would likely take a lot of damage or die if a competent player saw you, this event will stop nearly all fights from being completed, for an entire 50 seconds. You could try to come around back, but then the person could just run out the front, or father up into the building, and by this time, especially with the faster time to start regen, they will be at enough health to fight you again, so the skill of sneaking up on someone during this event, or just having better aim than them, becomes completely worthless, and makes almost any engagement, spare one in a completely open area, nearly impossible to end if both players have any idea what they are doing.

Remember, this is very likely going to happen every single game. Most lobbies have at least one streamer with one viewer and as we saw with low gravity if you ever participated in the crowncast on twitch, is that it was by far the most popular one everytime, and once people learn what this event does, it will always be chosen. Viewers don't choose what is the most entertaining one to watch, or the most fun for the player, as low gravity proved once again. Low gravity slowed the game down, and was very unfun for the player. Viewers choose due to the anonymity, the option that annoys the streamer most, especially for larger streamers who's fans don't have the same relationship as a smaller streamer would, because it is entertaining to see people get annoyed, hell, I am guilty of this as well.

Before someone says that I don't know if the melee will actually one shot, I don't see why they would include the line "enough to instantly eliminate an opponent" (as this is rather vague) if it didn't. If you're below 20hp a normal melee hit does technically instantly kill them, so what's the point of clarifying something we already know if this wasn't their way of saying "it will 1 shot." And I truly hope I'm wrong, because I don't think that anybody at all would see this and think it is a good addition to the game if I am right.

I know i'm just coming off as only wanting to complain, but I truly do like everything else in this patch, this one thing caught my eye, and quickly scrolling through the top comments I see few, if any, discussing this, and plenty praising the patch notes, so I thought I would contribute to the discussion more, and not just continue more praise with 0 criticism.

Originally posted by TheHyperactiveDuck

Why is there more ball nurfs? It has always been the worst hack in the game. Now it will just be unusable. Love all the other changes tho :)

Originally posted by SecretOil

We also decided to reintroduce the one-shot kill capacity of the Protocol V sniper rifle and will be monitoring it carefully in the coming weeks.

Give it a maximum range that's reasonable or severe bullet drop, or get that shit the f**k out of here. I'm sick and tired of being sniped from across the map by some guy not even rendered in who I can literally not have any clue is even pointing at me. It's one thing in squads where you can be revived but in solo it's absolutely insane that this is a possibility.

Komodo
Min Range for Full Damage: 15m

This makes the weapon completely useless and that minimum range should be reversed. Perhaps only apply this damage nerf to splash damage, and not direct hits.

Originally posted by catfroman

Cool cool.

Any thoughts on adding a Golden or Red bullet trail to the Level 4 Protocol? Something that gives the player a warning like "hey there's 1-shot potential, look out" but still lets the player shooting get their one-tap if they're good enough.

In Apex with the Kraber you hear the first shot and you're immediately like "Whoa, Kraber" which rewards attention on the player being shot at, while still rewarding skillful aim of the player with the Kraber.

Just a thought!

Originally posted by SecretOil

did you play during the Open Beta with Patch v0.5?

I'm literally top 10 matches played (as per tracker.gg). I've played every iteration of this game except the closed alpha (before the twitch drops stuff). I used to always run a Komodo; I'm well adapted to projectile weapons so I hit my shots with it usually, but since 0.5 I only pick it up if there's literally nothing else because it's terrible now. And this is entirely due to direct hits not doing any damage.

I agree fully that pointing at your feet (with no self-damage) and damaging the opponent with splash damage is a dumb mechanic and that rightfully was toned down but direct projectile hits should always do full damage.

Originally posted by TheHyperactiveDuck

Wow tbh did not expect a ubisoft person to respond. Also if you look t the other guy who responded, yeah for some reason i became temporarily illiterate lmao. Mabye making the ball smaller would help, it would make it a little harder to hit and make it give you away a little less but still show you are using it when someone is close. Also maybe increasing the health so it can barely survive a protocol. Also possible making it deal damage when u land on someone could be good and give people a reason to use it over the teleport or the armor. These are just suggestions that me and 2 people in discord came up with on the top of our heads, but those are just our thoughts.

Originally posted by SecretOil

I hope I don't come off as overly critical by the way -- I know it's really hard to balance these things.