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Really odd too considering Jack has always been really good with getting rid of players and selling them either at their peak or just after it. It's almost the C9 way except for players like Sneaky and Blaber who are legacy players.
Really odd too considering Jack has always been really good with getting rid of players and selling them either at their peak or just after it. It's almost the C9 way except for players like Sneaky and Blaber who are legacy players.
Nah C9 did Sneaky dirty too, believe it or not.
Sneaky had the opportunity to compete for his spot he turned it down.
Not true, since that implies the spot was up for grabs. It was not up for grabs, it was already given to Zven.
Sneaky would have had to “earn it back” (or Zven would have to lose it) which was, of course, impossible to do since Licorice and Nisqy had already told Jack that it was “him or them.”
if 2 players say he needs to go.. how is this jack doing him dirty...
Hm let’s see … maybe Jack could have told his first- and second-year player that roster decisions were not theirs to make? Especially when it’s a strong-armed threat to do what they say or they’ll quit? Have you never held a job in your life? Is that why you seem so obtuse to the concept of professionalism?
getting kicked from a team isn't getting done dirty, plus zven very clearly ended up being a good choice
In a vacuum, no of course not. But with context, the situation was messy, one-sided, unprofessional, and handled without proper respect to Sneaky and his contributions to the organization as the franchise GOAT.
Acquiescing to the threatening demands of Licorice and Nisqy is pathetic (as were the demands themselves, as anyone who has ever been on a team will tell you).
if you have ever worked a job, you would understand exactly what the players were thinking 🗿
Boy I work American corporate, it’s a soulless existence but nobody at my company would ever think to give an ultimatum like that to our CEO and expect to get away with it.
A good way for them to miss world's for the first time in the orgs history.
Ironically they make it to world's the year after - once they dropped licorice and Nisqy, but with Zven rather than Sneaky.
Yeah, and of course Zven is a quality player, very bright and intelligent too, but I mean… Sneaky had Zeyzal and Zven had prime Vulcan.
The problem was clearly roster construction, not Sneaky’s individual play. He was one year removed from sh*tting all over an LCK team in the World’s QF.
I remember a very different history than you.
I recall Sneaky Jensen and Smoothie being unprofessional and riled up the fanbase to overturn Reapered's decision to bench him. Jack initially supported his coach but eventually succumbed to the PR pressure and, ultimately, the fanbase is really the lifeblood of an org.
Sneaky did not deserve a job and I say this as someone who admired and remembered his 3:0 performance against AFS on Lucian.
If you wanna go tit-for-tat then Nisqy and Licorice didn’t deserve jobs either for disrespecting their teammates and threatening the owner?
Yup, though ironically again, given that Zven is a support nowadays, C9 could have both. I was kinda disappointed when they went the Korean import route again despite their history of producing some of NA's best homegrown talent - including Sneaky
Yup, I almost wanted to bring that up too, lmao. I’m sure a Sneaky/Zven bot lane would have been fire, but that might be relying a bit too much on hindsight for this particular discussion.
Sneaky was 5 years ago
Yeah but the comment I was responding to was 4 hours ago