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With the recent leaks of the champion designs of Seraphine and Samira I worry how champions are designed and marketed to a specific group.

Look, I get it... Riot wants to make some sweet cash off skins and that's totally fine but please not in exchange for creative variety. Runeterra is this mysterious and vast world with characters that come in many forms and different backgrounds and that's what I like so much about this universe.

Sadly, the newest releases are just some hot, humanoid characters (mostly female) with very generic looks. Where are our Cho Gaths, Galios, Yordles etc.? Is this where Riots champ design is heading now? With Seraphine looking extra "k-popish" I got really disappointed and needed to vent somewhere :(

Edit: Oh wow, looks like I hit a sensible point. People calling me names and such. I never said Riot should stop making these Champs or that I don't like them, I just want a little bit more variation. That is all.

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over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by N43N

I also feel like champion remakes should also count to some degree.

Fiddlesticks and Volibear both went from 'comic' style to a more serious look. The goal with Fiddlesticks was literally to make him as scary as possible. They are both now basically as far away from 'hot generic girl' as imaginable, at least for me.

VGUs totally count when we look at our year roadmap. We still want to make monsters and creatures we just make less of them since they are more niche and when we look at the years roadmap we include VGUs. That being said we have made it a goal to have at least one non-human new champ a year, and we might do more then 1 in a year where we didnt also do VGUs on monster champs. Yuumi was the non-human for 2019 and Lillia is the non-human for 2020. For 2020 though we already knew we were going to ship both Volibear and Fiddle so there wasnt that much room for more monster/creature champs, though we still made Lillia. One of the reasons we chose to make Lillia a whimsical/cute creature was to contrast Voli and Fiddle since we were doing 3 creatures/monster champs in a row. If Shyvana had won the VGU poll, for example, we might have done a new monster champ this year. TL:DR we still want to make creature/monster champs but less since they are niche, and VGUs count towards the amount we make

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Sharjo

Question for you Reav3, where do yordles factor in to the creature vs human spectrum? I feel like they'd end up in the more creature end of it, but just wanted to ask about it

Yordle would be in the creature camp, and yes we know we need to make another Yordle soon

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Do you guys have a similar philosophy when choosing which regions a champ should be from, since I noticed this year we had a large amount of Ionian releases so far

No, we generally explore arhetypes first that match gameplay designs and then we figure out which regions they fit best in later in the process

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Fasmodey

Is there any monster champion that is not niche? Like, isn't Rengar kinda popular? And Renekton gets a skin yearly for some reason.

Maybe instead of Rek'Sai, you can go in their direction.

We also haven't had a dark monster for a while, so I hope next monster isn't cute like Yuumi and Lillia.

Yeah like I said we didn't make a dark monster this year because we had Fiddle, and we know some players love them. We felt we had much less cute creatures then dark creatures on the roster as well when we started working on Yuumi

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Zoli_Ben

Can I ask where does Dr. Mundo as a Zaun mutated human fit to in your eyes?

Though Humanoid we would put Mundo in the creature/monster category, same as other humanoid monsters like Warwick, Voli, Renekton, Nasus

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by TheeOmegaPi

Hey /u/Reav3,

I've had discussions with other rioters about niche champs before, and I'm just curious about your thoughts on this going forward: Will there be any changes to how the creature/monster champions will be marketed to create hype?

I ask this because, statistically speaking, the amount of hype building that's been done for the majority of new monster champions has paled in comparison to how the humanoid champions have been hyped and advertised.

Examples:

Ornn: Facebook short

Yuumi: Very short video telling story of Yuumi

Lillia: Small teaser, slightly tied to event, briefly reference in Yone's video

Senna: Massive video, part of music group

Kaisa: Part of music group

Yone: Event-related video

Aphelios: Pre-season video

It's a bit concerning to me because niche champions aren't really given an opportunity to exist in League's universe compared to the humanoids. I get that specific humanoid fantasies are broadly appealing, but monsters have the potential to be appealing, too.

Take for example Pokemon. Ash Ketchum might be the star of the television show and manga, but Pikachu, Charmander, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur have a ridiculous amount of appeal elsewhere. Pikachu is one of the most recognizable monsters out there. As is Jigglypuff.

I get that this is one example of monsters having broad appeal, and perhaps there aren't as many examples in comparison to humanoids. However, this example is an example of how monsters have been marketed well. Really well. Like, enough to create a generation of video gamers. People don't own an Ashe Ketchum plushie. They own their favorite Pokemon.

How will monsters be featured in the League universe going forward?

Edit: Spelling

I mean we did a CG for Fiddlesticks which neither Sett or Aphelios got. At the end of the day that is up to the publishing team not the champions team though

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Out of curiosity where you you put non human humanoids like darkins, robots, vastayans and the undead

Aatrox would be creature where-as Kayne and Varus would be human. Robots would generally be creature unless we are talking about like Camille, Vastayans like Rengar would be creature but Xayah/Rakan/Ahri/Sett would be human. Same for undead, depends on how human vs how monstrous

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by SaucesOfFieri

Most Vastaya count as non-creature/monsters right? Slapping a tail on Neeko and some feathers on Xayah and Rakan to call them monsters would be a bit of a stretch.

I would call Neeko/Xayah/Rakan humans and Rengar a creature

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Riegerick

If you don't mind me asking, where would half-human champions fall in this schedule? Stuff like Camille or Pyke or Brand or Evelynn or Xayah/Rakan, essentialy ones that are human-esque or used to be human but have non-human parts/features/themes.

We would classify all of those as human

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by La_vert

I think the cute creature (yordles/lillia/yuumi/bard) and monster (fiddle/void/animalistic/Asol/SI) are wanted by two very different crowds. Both types of champions are nonhumans, but they fulfill a diametrically opposite niche.

I agree

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

It's slightly unrelated but do you know where Lillia's breadth and depth have settled, now that spirit bonds are over. Is she still on the niche side like you expect of creatures

Shes still falling high above niche, but her pattern looks almost identical to Yuumi/Neeko so we still think she will settle into a successful niche playrate overtime, though its too early to tell. Here's a link to here current B/D with comparisons to Yuumi/Neeko.

https://imgur.com/a/bdL024L

She is overall most popular in NA, which is funny since a lot of the perception she was "overshadowed" by Yone is in NA where she is the most popular as seen by this NA breakout graph

https://imgur.com/a/p64uYlO

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Do you think Samira is going to be a popular champ, since it looks that way given her appearance and flashy gameplay

Yes

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

Do you also know who drew her splashes, since they both look great

OwlyCat did the base and Jennifer Wuestling did the skin

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Spideraxe30

What was the unique thing you wanted to do with Samira for marksman players

Make a ADC that has to go in and out of Melee range

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by goku332

Do we know who designed Samira's kit?

Squad5

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by StopDyingMan

How about the "sensational mage" that's coming after Samira? I mean, her designer

RiotJag

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by legendstaff21

Is there any chance you can give us an update on the next roadmap? I believe you said it would come out after Samira. Can we expect it within a couple weeks after she hits live servers, or will there be a larger gap this time?

Edit: Also, can we know who's designing the kit for the Ultra-heavy tank support?

The Roadmap will be out sometime at the end of this month, working on it now. The tank is being designed by Stashu

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Zoli_Ben

Hey Reav3!

Thanks for these graphs, it really let us see through trends over time and where champs tend to land. Can I ask for Sett, Fiddlesticks and Volibear graphs? They haven't been shown yet. Really curious how much Fiddle and Voli jumped since their VGU.

over 4 years ago - /u/Reav3 - Direct link

Originally posted by Zoli_Ben

Thanks! Did you expect Volibear to be this much of a success given he was previously the least played champion out of Fiddle, Shyvana, Nocturne & himself?

He has definitely performed over our shotcall for him