[2020] Pro Six: Siege League... what the hell are you doing?

Hey everyone. The team and I have been monitoring this thread for the past few days now.

I understand a bulk of you have been part of the R6 community for quite some time and are very passionate about the original R6 games. We acknowledge your efforts to share your love and frustrations around the R6 series. Siege has drastically evolved to something much larger than what the team imagined back in Alpha.
I know many of you are nostalgic for the older version of the game from Year 1. However, we believe the changes we’ve made in the past, and current changes, have been better suited for current gameplay requests from the overall community. Siege certainly would not be where it is today without previous decisions as well as community support, and the team does recognize that. We are still documenting ongoing discussions around these topics and sending them to the development team for visibility.

Currently, the overall goal for Siege is to align competitive and casual players. We want to better prepare players for a ranked experience, should they choose to go toward that area of play. These changes are part of a bigger plan in improving the overall Siege experience.

About the House rework specifically: We are not trying to make the map more “Ranked-worthy”. With this rework, we want to give the casual community new opportunities on a map that has stagnated slightly.
Regarding reworks in general, as we explained in our Map Rework Philosophy blog post, the point of map reworks is to make maps more player-friendly for all skill levels and ensure they are as balanced as possible. Reworks are also supposed to help tune the overall theme of a map. I understand that with the Oregon rework and some of the older reworks, many of you have expressed that parts of the theme of the map appear to have been removed. The goal when revamping themes is to make maps more visually pleasing, as well as fine-tuning the feel of the overall map. At Invitational, the team mentioned they are doing their best to make sure map reworks, including House, still capture the essence of the original design.

Regarding cheating, the team has been and continues to make strides to improve the anti-cheat system. We do not have any details to share publicly on this at this time, but the team does understand the frustrations of playing against or with cheaters. Thank you for your patience and support by submitting reports.

The team will continue to keep an eye on this thread as well as others in the forum. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to one of the moderators and we will try our best to answer your questions. We welcome all constructive feedback, like many of you have shared already, regarding any of the topics I’ve covered and more.

Originally Posted by xcel30
Sorry it just reached a point of they completely overhauling EVERYTHING for the sake of ranked that i don't believe that casual matters, i honestly don't believe you, don't think you are lying or have have any ill will towards anyone here of course, i just genuinely don't think that's the truth and they want to force esports down everyone's throath and anyone that asks about anything else is worse than a roach to them, it has reached that point of ignorance from my view

I definitely understand how you could feel this way. I think some people would agree and say that they feel that the approach to align competitive and casual is too one-sided. But as I had mentioned, the goal is to prepare players for Ranked if they so chose to play it, which does mean bringing some slight elements into Quick Match. I believe the House rework will be an example of preserving the casual feel.

Originally Posted by xcel30
Look you already know that i'm going to say they literally made unranked for that, so people don't have any kind of pressure to experience what ranked means and so on, just honestly feels like they are messing with things for the sake of the people that don't enjoy them, we literally had a thread complaining that terrorists having frags as an intended mechanics is wrong as they are just target dummies, and i ask "what about the people that enjoyed terrorist hunt?"

I don't see any downsides to ADAD rotations since that makes new players also pratice each side more often instead of regular crushing matches that are 2-0, i understand these are not meant for ranked and fully agree with letting ranked be a different thing, i never asked ranked to be adjusted to my wishes so why can ranked players dictate how casual should be for themselves when they want to play ranked only?

Quick Match aims to give a more relaxed way to play Siege. Quick Match gives players the chance to play a match when they may not have the time for a full Ranked/Unranked match and features no abandonment penalties.
Unranked is a playlist to practice full Ranked matches without the MMR cap in place or MMR at risk. Quick Match does not feature Pick and Ban nor have the same map pool. The overall idea for the Unranked playlist was to give players with friends outside of the MMR cap a chance to play together under Ranked ruleset.

The intent with these changes was not to make it feel like "Ranked players are forcing the changes". Again, the overall goal is to bridge the gap between Quick Match and Unranked/Ranked.
Not every Ranked player only plays Ranked, much like not every Quick Match player plays only Quick Match. There are players who do specifically play only one of the modes, but the general community swaps between the playlists frequently.

While I personally agree that the ADAD rotation does feel like it gives a chance to play both sides more often, the problem lies in the fact new players are thinking under the ADAD mindset. Once they make the change to Ranked, it would be like mild whiplash.
Ideally, players should be getting exposure to both Attacking and Defending often with AA-DD. I think AA-DD gives players the chance to see what the other side is playing during round 1 and adjust their team comp for round 2. I understand that it is not always the case, and do see how the format can lead to more frequent steamrolls. However, since it is the nature of the game, players should be learning to adapt and overcome these odds. Part of curbing these seemingly unfair situations is map balancing.

I apologize if anything I mentioned isn't clear. Let me know if you have any further questions!

Originally Posted by xcel30
Look i fully understand due your position you simply cannot tell me anything and at the same time that means that you cannot guarantee that any of my worries won't be true, so I hope you understand that just saying ranked is not what controls the game when big changes are made for the sake of ranked is very contradictory since you literally said that casual was changed to be closer to ranked. If the answer to that problem was not pulling unranked just a tiny bit away from ranked so less pressure was on and would ACTUALLY be used to let people get used to ranked to keep both extremes happy but instead pull casual closer closing the gap and cutting off everyone that was in there, I don't think that casual has any sort of priority and they legitimately want to get rid of people

I know the recent changes made to the mode have caught the community off-guard since none of it was on the TS before making its way to the live-build, and we're trying our best to get answers for you. We've been documenting all Casual thread and making the team consistently aware of how everyone feels about it because we know it's something you're all extremely passionate about, and we appreciate your willingness to be open about how you feel and the changes you want to see made on multiple threads daily/weekly.

Unfortunately at this time, I don't have any additional information to share which I know is disappointing to hear especially since so many of you feel that your requests for change aren't being acknowledged, however, UbiMorning and I are doing everything we can to make sure your voices are being heard.

Originally Posted by DarthCynical
I'd love it if Ubisoft released surveys to all of these supposed players who keep demanding all these wild changes and who are suddenly claiming all the maps are played out and 'stagnant.' Ask them how long they’ve been playing the game and what their previous favorites before Siege were. I’d wager good money that the majority of these Siege 'fans' are both transplants from Fortnite/Call of Duty, have been playing less than a year or two and are less interested in 'improving' this game than they are terraforming it from the ground up to fit their demands

This is an interesting idea, I don't think I've seen this one around before. I know the forums and other forms of social media are how we get our feedback, but having some sort of survey system would be cool to help us know what percentage of players are looking for a certain type of change.