who knows?
state of the games after state of the games, i'm worried that re logic have some sort of internal conflicts or so at some point
I can assure you there are no internal conflicts, we just really like working on our game and tend to get a little carried away. :)
Heya red, bit late to this but Happy birthday man
<3
Haha this is great :D
Would be neat
Have fun :)
Those have been out of print for a while. Take care of it, I’m not sure how many are around anymore
found the psychopath
found the terrarist
u/Redigit Could you look into these?
Also, people in the comments suggested that a recipe to combine the trophies is better.And OP also agrees
Some valid points. You know at some point we need to release the update, right?
Well this is awesome
You have my attention. For better or worse
OMG this is so cool! Can I use this as my PFP?
Why is AI even being used even in the backgrounds of promo art? You should surely have people that can photoshop into a scene or just make a blank background?
As far as I am aware it isn’t. Somehow this is being misconstrued into “we want them to use AI for backgrounds” when it was more meant to cover any instance of accidental AI-related stock art usage and was under the context of what contractual changes were made for artists.
We would rather AI not be used for ANYTHING - not the product, not the promo art, nothing.
Perhaps I’ve communicated it incorrectly up front - I’ll make an edit to make it more clear because it’s tripping people up, I think?
If a company explicitly disallows the use of AI in promotional material (which would include backgrounds) and makes a good faith effort to police it then there's no issue.
The problem isn't that sometimes AI will slip through, the problem is you're not even trying to prevent it from being used in the first place. It won't have to "slip through" when you've very clearly stated that it will just be allowed anyway. I'd be perfectly okay if you said "We're forbidding the use of AI at any stage, though we ask you to understand that catching the use of AI isn't always an easy task and give us your understanding if something does get by us."
But "Eh, backgrounds aren't as bad so whatever." is not an encouraging position to take. It makes it pretty clear that you're trying to mitigate backlash rather than actually taking a principled stance.
Again no one is ENCOURAGING the use of AI in those shots
In the same way that you weren't E...
Indeed. It was known by all parties that we don’t want AI art. A freelancer got one through the process - precisely your example as used in the “backgrounds” paragraph above. When it was caught it was dealt with immediately and contractual legal additions made (eg if you use AI to make a product you are in breach) - because any designer can 100% control the source of their own piece.
Similarly, we would discourage its use in promo backgrounds - but taking that and putting it as a legal breach clause sets partners up for legal trouble even if they would have had no way to know that the random stock photo they used had AI elements that were not easily detectable.
Heck, even most “shirt on person” shots that you see anywhere for any brand of clothing aren’t real photos taken of the shirt on a real person. They are generated images using the shirt design and “placing” it on either a blank stock person photo or a generated person.
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Read moreIts just sometimes not very practical to find or take that “perfect background photo”.
Then use a blank background. Using AI to scrape and steal the art of countless other artists doesn't suddenly become okay because you're just using it as a background. I realize I'm just one person but I can tell you unequivocally I won't be buying any products that use generative AI during any part of production or promotion under the current environment in which AI operates.
In that case, I suppose you won’t be buying any product by anyone that uses stock photos in any way - because unless you took them yourself there is no way to guarantee it.
Again no one is ENCOURAGING the use of AI in those shots, and if someone has a third solution I’m all ears - some groups do use blank backgrounds.
I’d say our stance against the use of AI art is pretty clear - and we back that up further by actively engaging community artists on our projects and encouraging our partners to do the same.
All the rest of this discussion is more just “it really sucks that stock photography has turned into this”…
The way i read it is this: I want to have a model wearing my new shirt on the deck of a us naval ship. Obviously they aren't letting random schmuck me on the ship to model my shirt. I model the shirt in front of green screen and ai generate the naval ship deck behind me. This is allowed by the contract.
Precisely… or you pull a stock photo of a naval ship and its AI but not labeled as such.
That sounds exactly like "minor, harder to notice places" to me. I understand if you use an AI stock image without realising and it definitely isn't as important as the products themselves but I still feel you shouldn't use it at all. It is never "needed".
I’m not aware of a third solution for “product photo shots” other than taking your own or stock images. When you delve into the latter it’s almost impossible to avoid it completely.
The way you phrase it is like someone would be using it in a sneaky fashion on the product (nope) or we would use it for like promo banners (sotg, updates - also nope).
Holding partners legally in breach because they pulled a stock photo and it comes out 6 months later it’s AI enhanced photo but not labeled as such (it’s really that nefarious) isn’t practical.
If this was something sneaky or nefarious why would we even mention it? :)
Still not all that excited about "use of ai in backgrounds" but as an artist i understand that those can take far longer and be far more expensive than usual work for merch, and as long as its not IN the product itself.
Outside of shooting your own photos (which is done where feasible), you are usually stuck with stock art. Stock photo galleries are inundated with AI images - and often they are not marked as such even. Not sure there is a great way around that. Not talking about stuff like promo banners - we do that (like for SOTG or for updates) with real people.
AI art is ONLY to be used as needed in things like “promo art” backgrounds - like the dock scene used in promo images for this shirt. It may not be used for the design or production of products in any way.
Please reconsider. There is never any reason to use AI generated images. AI generated images are not, and will never be, art and the use of AI generated images can only harm Terraria/ReLogic's reputation.
Outside of shooting your own photos (which is done where feasible), you are usually stuck with stock art. Stock photo galleries are inundated with AI images - and often they are not marked as such even. Not sure there is a great way around that.
I really like the idea of the shirt though, hopefully an actual artist can be found and make a new cooler one.
This is a good question. Would folks want us to have this design redone/reimagined - this time without AI at all - and then have the new one return at a later date?
First of all, thank you for the swift actions, you guys are great!
But, I feel like allowing any ai art is kinda half-doing it. It’s never a “needed” thing.
Is promo art backgrounds, or their human artists, less important than shirt designers?
Of course not. Explained this elsewhere on this thread. I’m not talking about promo banners and such, it’s “product scene photos” is maybe a better explanation. Our promo banners like for sotg and whatnot are all done without ai.
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