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Hi everybody! Nexus Blitz is back!
You can check out a full description of the changes here: https://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en-pl/news/dev/dev-return-of-nexus-blitz/
Enjoy, and as always, let us know what you think.
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Hi everybody! Nexus Blitz is back!
You can check out a full description of the changes here: https://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en-pl/news/dev/dev-return-of-nexus-blitz/
Enjoy, and as always, let us know what you think.
External link →Sure wouldn't mind! Just a minute!
To quickly update on this, we found the cause and pushed a fix to live.
Thanks for your help!
I know this bug but I'll not disclose the reproduction or any details to prevent it from being further abused on the live servers.
I did point out the root for this issue that causes this bug to a Rioter before, guess it didn't go into the log or just sits there on low prio. Which is something it shouldn't do, for how simple/standard of a fix it is.
Also, you should probably add a video to this thread, so people can see what exactly Brand is doing to its victims! It's a dumb bug, but looks pretty interesting in action at least!
Hello! Would you mind dming me the reproduction steps?
Read moreHey! So, my source of the "long term" modes from the Ask Riot: Events and Game Modes is the following:
That means it takes the same amount of work to bring a mode back for customs as it does to bring it back for queues, which takes us back to our previous discussions around why we’ve chosen to invest our time into developing new modes, rather than keeping older modes on rotation.
Within that link (the /Dev: State of Modes), my key takeaway (as it is bolded in the summary) is:
So to that end, the Modes Team is focusing all of our attention on improving the existing long-term game modes and discovering new, potentially long-term modes that you can play for years.
So, I admit I may be reaching a bit too far, but, hopefully that h...
All of this is to say, I want to keep playing League, but I don't always want to play Summoner's Rift, TFT, or even ARAMs very much any more, nor do I want to wait 18 months to be able to play Nexus Blitz for a week or two.
I totally get this, and I think that League as an organization does too (as evidenced by Cactopus and Meddler's respective posts). The main question is 'what's the best way to scratch that itch', and that's something we're still figuring out as we go along, with all of your help ^^
Thanks for taking the time to lay this all out for me. I can't wait for y'all to have Nexus Blitz back either, so it's about time for me to get back to the ol' grindstone :D
Ah, that's disappointing. I have to say, from an outsiders perspective - I'm sure you'd agree - L4T3NCY's analysis really does seems to make a lot of logical sense. Showdown is indeed just ARAM with a win condition attached. If what you're saying is accurate - that something that seems like it should be so simple to implement is indeed so hard to do - the tech debt is worse than I realised... I vote kill it with fire ;)
If you're interested and able to discuss what emerged from that evaluation, and why it'd be so difficult, I'd be really curious to know. I'm sure it exists, but I'm really struggling to think of a technical reason why that'd be the case (mid level full stack dev)
Edit: The more I think about this, the more confused and curious I get. ARAM works, check. Customs supports multiple game modes, check. What stops y'all from literally copy-pasting ARAM, adjusting it slightly, and adding it as a custom mode? Really am interested in a response, if possible!
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From a game-design / ingame perspective you're quite right; very little would need changing or updating.
The main catch is the step between clicking "Play" and getting a game loadscreen -- it's a seriously complex web of technologies and processes, some old and some new, some in need of upgrade, some currently being replaced, etc. I can't go into a ton of detail here (not least of which because I'm not an expert in this space), but suffice it to say that it's much deeper than it looks.
Read moreHey u/RiotPopc0rner!
Thanks for taking the time to swing by. I understand that custom games and game modes aren't a "set if and forget it" type of thing (especially in a game with such frequent updates), and that overhead doesn't come free.
In that first dev blog you posted, as in other dev blogs, and elsewhere by other Riot employees, the message has been that the "Modes Team" is focusing on finding long-term alternate game modes (that Nexus Blitz tried to be). However, what is to stop these new modes from encountering that same cost/benefit trap that has killed every other custom game mode or rotating game mode? Where bugs (or dev time) eclipsed the money directly earned?
Built in monetization (like TFT)? Simpler designs that are more similar to SR, allowing for fewer bugs and thus overhead?
The reason I ask is that Riot specifically says they want long-term alternate modes, but well ... as with clie...
Hm. I don't see anything about 'long term' modes in that article -- maybe I'm missing something or looking at the wrong one?
In general, the Modes team (past and present) has been / is focused on shipping temporary modes to make events in League more special. Nexus Blitz was an experiment by another team (not the Modes team) to build a long-term alternative mode for League that was ultimately unsuccessful. The reason the Modes team is talking about Nexus Blitz now is that we want to pick up where that team left off, because we believe Nexus Blitz could have a place as a temporary mode.
Hey, thanks so much for the response.
My understanding from L4T3NCY's post is that Showdown is the one exception to the 'RGMs are difficult to support cross-patch' rule because it's just a small variation of ARAM, so nothing should break from patch to patch. He said it would be "effectively zero upkeep".. was he wrong?
I know there's the other issue of enabling RGMs that are currently live for matchmaking in customs (something to do with matchmade game modes and custom games running on different server tech - L4T3NCY refers to the problem towards the end of his post) but that's not at all what the Ask Riot article discusses.
I'm not sure exactly what data or analysis he was operating from, so I can't speak directly to that. I can say that I've been a part of some recent-ish evaluations of what it would take to bring RGMs (including Showdown) to customs, and the short answer was "a lot". Codebases also change a lot in 3+ years, particularly in cases like League where there's new stuff every two weeks, so it may have become harder over time.
Hi folks!
We've talked about custom games more recently in this Ask Riot post: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/09/ask-riot-events-and-game-modes/. The quick summary is that making RGMs function in customs is a substantial amount of work for some subtle technical reasons, and we don't think that shipping buggy or broken custom games in the meantime is a good idea.
We try our best to be transparent about what we're working on in the future, like talking about ...
Read moreTalon's Q used to be like 1.2 seconds rank 1 and 0.8 by rank 5 with Urf Buff. I was trying to figure out why everything felt slow my first talon game on this set of URF with Talon about 10 min ago. Found out why: Talon's Q. It was 6 seconds....FIX THIS NOW RIOT! THIS IS URF, NOT RANKED.
Edit: i went to try to scope if there were any patch notes indicating intentional urf nerfs for talon. Didn't see any on Surrender at 20 or anywhere else.
Interesting. Sounds like a bug?
Read moreI'm sorry, but this URF balance just doesn't make sense, i already thought that the balance of the ARAM is bad (like Kaisa + 15% DMG), but the URF balance needs to improve a lot to be able to call it bad. Dude just doesn't make sense for a champion to do 25% more damage and take -25%. Aatrox simply kills everyone in AA and doesn’t die it’s unbelievable that it is still in the game even after almost 2(?) years that this balance was made
There are several other champions who are very strong (tanks in general, Yummi, Yi, Fizz, Jax, Lee Sup, Hecarim ...) and others who have buff and are ridiculously strong with those who have as little knowledge as possible such as GP, Evelynn, Corki, Akali and others that i don't remember.
I understand that you do the balancing according to the champion's Winrate but the URF was balanced on top of ARURF that follows the same theory as ARAM, it's a random mode so the tendency is for Winrate of these champions with more "mechanics" or no...
Thanks for taking the time to write this up! There are some good points here, particularly that "buffing for average %WR makes experienced players really strong".
A single place for us to publish ARAM/URF balance changes is a good idea and would help a lot of people keep up-to-date better.
Please add the random champion option to champion select like there was in 1FA
Oh! I also like to random-roll in RGMs sometimes. I'll ask around about this :)
Items with passives that have a cooldown (Banhee's Veil, Edge of Night, Steraks Gage) are still in their normal cooldowns. Can you bring them to URF values like Active items?
The way passive item cooldowns work under the hood makes it much harder to apply CDR to them than active items.
Having said that, I think it would be a cool space to explore sometime in the future.
Wish GP could stack up Silver Serpents faster. Even with barrel spam it still takes a while, usually games are over already by the time you get 1 ult upgrade. One of the few scaling elements in the game that isn't tied to items or levels.
This is a good callout, thank you!
Hey folks! Pick URF is back in town!
There have been no major systems changes to URF since the last run earlier this year, and only one roster change: new Fiddlesticks!
As always, please leave any questions or feedback below, and have fun!
External link →There seems to be various reasons that float around for why the RGM communication isn't resonating.
One base reasoning I see is the idea that setting up another RGM is "easy" since "you guys already have the <assets, code, etc> for it"
It's easy to assume that supporting the RGM is as easy as flipping a switch and the only reason that you guys aren't doing it is for monetary/retention reasons. Whereas in reality there are many technical reasons for not doing so.
Perhaps some communications on the more technical difficulties (Game servers being different, scaling, constant support, etc) would help clarify not just why you guys made one decision, but why you guys didn't make a different decision.
Stretch goal for monetary cost evaluations, i.e we don't make vague skins since each skin costs multi-millions of dollars of infrastructure and labor cost.
Hey! You're absolutely right, technical complexity is the reason RGMs aren't able to just be flipped on.
The best analogy I can make is that RGMs "rust" over time. This happens in a ton of different ways: they sometimes rely on niche parts of the game engine that don't work well anymore, or systems whose code has been refactored or deleted since the last time they ran. Sometimes they were built in ways that cause problems with new or reworked champions (Sylas & new Mordekaiser ults are great examples of this). Sometimes, because of the rapid development cycle of RGMs, lots of duct tape and bubblegum gets used to make things work, and teams (including the Modes team itself!) go back and clean up that stuff once the mode has turned off, to keep things tidy. The rate at which things rust varies widely, too. Some modes, like Nexus Siege, have rusted so much that the fastest way to ship them again would probably be to start over from scratch.
Whenever we talk about shipp...
Read moreI'll eat a handdrawn picture of a sock if a single one of the following Champions aren't available on release: Akali, Ahri, Annie, Ezreal, Lux, Yasuo, Jhin, Zed, Lulu, Teemo, Riven, Thresh, Zoe, Braum and I'll throw in Rammus in there.
I'll eat two handdrawn pictures of a sock if any of the following are available on release: Yorick, Skarner, Ornn, Galio, or Malphite.
Annie, Ezreal, Lux, Jhin, Teemo, Riven, Thresh, Zoe, and Rammus aren't available.
You got us on the other point, though :P
Is the goal to eventually add all the champions in TFT or for balance reasons or another reason would you all prefer to keep the roster slightly smaller?
To expand on what the other people said, if you add too many characters at once, it dilutes the draft pool and makes it too hard to get multiples and make upgraded units.
Personally speaking, I hope that every champion will get their time in the sun eventually! We'll have to see how things turn out with the first 50 before we make any firm decisions, though
Pass along this message if you can: Add Zac or hire me so i can add Zac.
I'm a Zac main, I got your back.
Read moreI think there are a lot more people checking the statistics for SR and the players take better note of what changes are made to the "main" game.
Showing the ARAM specific changes could negativly impact the choices of those players who very rarely play ARAM and have only little understanding of the ARAM specific strategies and playstyles. However people who play ARAM a little more but don't keep the ARAM changes in mind can benefit from that.
Getting more direct now: Assuming every champion had a 50% win rate due to some changes to damage dealt or similar. Let's say a Sona main would decide to stick to the champ in ARAM and then get into game. This player would be confused because the champion deals significantly less damage and takes significantly more damage than usual. Therefore I believe it would still be important.
Having it the other way around would be quite a help for people who don't regularly read the patch notes or returning players. I think it cou...
My suspicion is that providing ARAM-specific balance information would slightly push people away from champions that have been nerfed, and towards champions that have been buffed. After all, the game is telling you "This champion is better than usual," which seems like it might be able to change some people's minds. That's likely a good thing for ARAM (more diversity, fewer poke mages & supertanks), but I'm not actually certain how strong that effect would be.
Please don't let the servers explode when it's released on PBE/live
We've got Backup Plans™ to keep that from happening, but y'all's hype can melt even the coldest server rooms. We'll do our best <3