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Something the video is really underselling is the movement speed. It stacks up to 5 times and is granted on every ability hit. Her game is about keeping the movement speed stacked up and using it to play a hit and run style or roam around the map.
Something the video is really underselling is the movement speed. It stacks up to 5 times and is granted on every ability hit. Her game is about keeping the movement speed stacked up and using it to play a hit and run style or roam around the map.
I wonder what the range of her ult will be. Given that her passive puts dream dust to all abilities, could she potentially throw her swirlseed down a lane before going into farming jungle and if it lands on enemy champion, she could make that champion sleep all the way from the jungle?
that is indeed how it works.
Weird how she was labelled as a mid-range skirmisher but she has no mobility outside of a conditional MS boost and no hard CC outside her ult.
That plus her passive dealing %max health magic damage in dot form, she sounds like a juggernaut more than a fighter.
Posted this elsewhere, but the Q movementspeed stacks up to 5 times and is granted on every ability hit. She can whip around fights, she just doesn't do it with dashes.
Wait... it stacks on all abilities up to 5?? How fast can she go???
Pretty fast. Not rammus fast, but she can keep it up for longer by hitting jungle camps. Current numbers (obviously subject to change):
Each stack grants 7-11% (based on Q rank) movement speed for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times. Stacks fall off 1 at a time, at a rate of 1/second.
Does she have the zoomies
Many many zooms.
Does this mean if I hit multiple enemies I get multiple stacks or each hit of ability will only grant 1 stack?
1 stack per ability.
Sounds like something that will be busted on release, but we'll see. Of course, chances of landing that skill at such a distance is incredibly low.
Its a pretty slow skill shot. Its pretty hard to hit on someone without boomer reflexes (like me).
Does is collide with minions?
yes it does. Although it has a cone explosion on the back half.
does it grant vision around the projectile and if so, how much?
not really. If you hit a champ you reveal them tho.
Excited for cross map e's
Rolling it up a lane technically reveals where you're coming from cause you see the seed rolling in, but hell if that'll stop me from doing it every time cause it's so fun
Is she melee or ranged?
She is ranged with 350 attack range. Think Rakan range.
so that is back to back "easy" to play champions, is the team still looking to making complex ones or?
I dont think Lillia is as easy to play as people think
So she can roll her E all the way down mid?
Assuming you're past the inhib, yup! Otherwise you'll find yourself rolling it straight into a turret.
Something the video is really underselling is the movement speed. It stacks up to 5 times and is granted on every ability hit. Her game is about keeping the movement speed stacked up and using it to play a hit and run style or roam around the map.
She vry fast
That walking animation though...
0/8/0 Lilia: My gank is finished
Mid laner: but you did nothing
Lilia: Prances away
Me every time
Is she ranged? What is the number as in Ashe is 600, Rakan is 350
325
Do you expect her to be a broad or niche champ
More niche. The playstyle is going to ask for some investment.
Something tells me phase rush lillia is gonna be a lot of fun
It makes you go very fast.
oooh, with that Q on low CD her jungle clear is probably going to be a huge selling point. this champ is really exciting
Yep! just be careful around the scary scary invade junglers.
Don't forget you're using a reliable source of cc and some mana. The chances that you hit this while avoiding scuttle, terrain and everything inbetween are stupidly low, while having enough of a risk that it's simply not worth it. You can bet that some youtuber will go ''LILLIA IS BROKEN?!? SLEEP FROM ACROSS THE MAPP? RITO PLS''
ONE THOUSAND PERCENT BROKEN YOU WON'T BELIEVE THESE LILLIA ONE SHOTS
Time to midlane from the fountain
My boss killed me with an E from fountain to bot lane.
But multiple enemies hit at once does that do it? If she slaps 3 people with her swirly bob does she get X3? No right?
Correct, if she Q's three people, she gets one stack.
It's blocked by minions right?
Yeah, I'm just bad
Missed opportunity for TEN BILLION PERCENT
This is why I'm never going to be a youtuber.
Gonna take Predator and Relentless Hunter and just zoom around the Jungle like some kinda speed demon deer!
Lillia wants you to follow your dreams
Are the cooldowns already released? Curious how high her Q CD is.
4 seconds all ranks.
Are you guys done making yordles? Last one was Kled 4 year ago and the next few champions don't sound like yordles either... also the lore for Bandle city isn't fleshed out at all. I'm hoping you guys havent forgotten about them...
There are plenty of Yordle fans on the team.
How are y'all gonna prevent her from being cancer in toplane? She has a lot of tools to be mega cancer top
She can wave clear and stay safe against a lot of melee matchups, but she gets outscaled by most every top laner. She has a lot of agency to avoid fights with you, but if she does, she won't be hitting the midgame spikes she needs to to be effective.
And if she becomes abusive in top, we can nerf her, don't worty.
Do you remember what her temp name was before you guys settled on lillia
Cute jungler. She used sion's model scaled down to 70%. I got lots of comments.
Does her movement animation change with move speed? Like if she gets stacked movespeed she can hop really far? Would be really interesting
She has three movement anims. Zero stacks, 1-4 stacks, and 5 stacks.
how does her ult work with sylas?
When Sylas takes her ult, his skills apply the dream dust that he can use to sleep them. He doesn’t get the damage from the passive though.
btw what's her Q CD like?
4s
Will the masked assassin be complex? Like Riven, Akali or Irelia. Hope you're able to talk about this :(
yes
I saw the % but what's her base moment speed
330
The video said it's blocked by terrain. Doesn't that mean that it'll hit turrets? Feel like it'd be hard to angle it from fountain so it won't hit the inhibitors or turrets and go all the way to lane
hard, but not impossible.
How are you supposed to stack that up? If the stacks fall off at a rate of 1 per second, and she can only get one stack from each cast, the only way that will ever stack is if Q has a CD less than 1 second. As it’s 4 seconds, you’re never going to be able to get a second stack. Plus, the movement speed lasts longer than the stack? How does that work?
They last for 5 seconds, after which they begin falling off.
I feel like this is the key thing that's missing from the video. Watching it, I felt like her kit was just two aoe damage spells and a generic projectile that slows. Not exactly exciting dynamic stuff, but what you described sounds fun.
It's just her Q though that adds a stack of speed though - not every ability - right?
Nope, its all of them.
Hello! Mind if I ask a question? What was the justification for going true damage on the Q over adaptive? While I realize she's supposed to be a jungler, I feel like she's shaping up to be really feast/famine as a top laner. She'll either not deal enough damage/not have enough sustain to get rolling, or she'll relentlessly stomp you everytime you walk back to lane with an overwhelming MS stacking passive, a long range slow (needs skill though so not as bad) and an unavoidable hard CC if you fail to dodge anything.
I would be worried of the scenario where people take her top, she gets an early advantage from a bad play or her jungler ganking, and she just runs you down over and over. You won't even be able to tank it out because she has true damage on the Q. This wouldn't be a problem but unlike Darius, she has way better MS in addition to a slow. I feel like she'll just CC you with E/R, and then rip your HP bar with true damage Q while you can't move.
The true damage is there so she can fight tanks. She loves being able to just hit them and back off.
Keep in mind she's not really a burst character unless you build deathcap + other heavy AP items, so unless she gets really really ahead, she isn't one shotting you. She is very squishy baseline, and really can't stand toe to toe with a darius or sett unless she's waaaaay far ahead.
This is actually a very important part of her kit. Her kit, asides from the speed, looks super super lackluster, and with her ratios and damages now on pbe I can't imagine how she'd work.
The speed could very well change that but I'm still not even sure.
She has quite a long mastery curve we've found. I expect her win rate to be pretty low for a time while people are figuring out the exact amount of risk they should be taking. If she ends up weak though, we'll buff her.
Just be careful with the buffs.
The E > R combo looks frustrating to play against.
Hope the hit and run spacing playstyle ends up working out, as I do like that sorta of thing. It works been well with Jhin in the late game.
E is definitely a weird skill shot. I observed a lot of frustration with the spell initially but people eventually grew to dodge it. Its a pretty slow missile, you just need to get used to how it travels.
Does she count as melee or ranged? That's less than any ranged champ and also less than some melee (aatrox and sylas sometimes)
counts as ranged.
Hm, I think I'm still pretty concerned that players will adopt a weird brand of non-interaction using something like phase rush where they drop their rotation for a 1/4 of an enemies health, run away, and then do it again 15 seconds later. (Saving ult for clenching the kill)
But, I'm open to seeing how this plays out! She doesn't have any built in sustain, and I think the champion looks thematically well done. Hopefully this one will be fairly easy for you guys to fine tune balance thanks to kit simplicity. Best of luck to you all!
Its a risk point for top lane for sure. If that becomes the optimal way to play her, we'll nerf it. Like you said, the lack of sustain means any ranged or character with lock down will win trades heavily
Does she have trouble keeping mana up? Any champ that needs to spam abilities to keep themselves up (Kassadin R jumps to mind) would naturally tend that way.
In jungle it's very manageable. Esp once you get runic you're good to go. In lane its harder; you probably need to itemize a bit more mana.
*checks data*
IT ALSO SCALES WITH AP?!
Zoomzoom
When did you remove the initial R hit also doing damage?
I liked all the damage being on the back half of the spell because it gave a more satisfying pop.
From what I've read of her kit and the explanation of everything, her movement speed is going to keep stacking with ability hits on monsters AND champs up to like 5 stacks. If each stack grants 7-11% (based on Q rank) movement speed for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times, She could rip through camps with her Q and a tiamat, proc them sweet MS stacks, then f**king zoom out of the river/bush and land her W+Ult to proc sleep and then nail them with her Q close in for bonkers damage then reset for another rotation in a hit & run skermishing loop.
Is that kind of the idea there?
More or less, yeah. She doesn’t need tiamat though. And if you want to keep movement speed when going in for a tank, you need to plan such that you have a scuttle crab to hit on the way.
Can Zoe deal double damage if she attacks an enemy Lillia slept?
No, but she’ll trigger lillia’s damage.
Do you think Tiamat would be a net deficit as far as itemization for her?
It doesn’t build into anything she wants, and she has no AD scaling. Also stopping to auto attack tends to be pretty dangerous for her. After a couple items, she’s better off just casting spells and keep moving.
It indeed does.
Any particular reason for edge Q to deal the +100% bonus as true damage rather than ignoring 50% enemy MR, or is that just how it works because it's almost interchangeable?
Actually it was because I wanted to make sure it appropriately hit camps harder. Some monster camps have negative MR where that would not be as useful.
Last question from me; What was the decision behind making W use clamped range (casts to max range in the direction if targeted outside) rather than having her walk into range? Using center W and not accidentally undershooting it on a static (asleep) target might take a few games getting used to.
It was a choice between two feels bads. If I made it targeted, it would feel weird to use as a move spell, and as a clamped range spell, it feels weird to sweet spot with it. I don’t love how it feels but after testing both, I think this one is overall better.
Yeah I tested various versions of other scalings for the outer ring, but true damage had the right mix of ‘freedom to start on either buff’ and clearing potential she needed. That’s not to say I’m unwilling to change it, it’s just that my best read in our testing environment was that this created the better jungler.
It says her E goes until it hits something. Does that mean I can throw it down the entire length of a lane theoretically?
Theoretically. It will stop on terrain, and turrets count, so the angle would need to be pretty precise.