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What areas are specifically considered misthalin? Shows on wikia
Lumby/ al Khalid/ draynor/ varrock/ part of fally
Is that correct for the most part?
What areas are specifically considered misthalin? Shows on wikia
Lumby/ al Khalid/ draynor/ varrock/ part of fally
Is that correct for the most part?
For the most part, yes :)
This is gonna be my first league, I'll be able to unlock the twisted horns or w/e its called for the slayer helm with this right?
Any points you gain in this League will allow you to purchase rewards from the last League, that includes the horns :)
I didn't find any time stamps on when it starts, is that tba soon or did I miss it?
No release date yet but keep your eyes peeled!
Are we ever going to get a league that isn't just region-locked ironman /u/JagexAcorn? The initial pitch was that it was a catchall term for any seasonal content going forward. Stuff like KotS, etc. But all we've gotten twice in a row now is region locked Ironman.
The plan isn't to always stick to region lock ironman mode. We had a ton of other ideas in the pipeline for future leagues (mentioned in the May Gazette) however we decided to go with this one for Leagues II.
Sounds awesome, but I would prefer the League trophies be unlocked at set numbers of points rather than based on rankings against other players. With people being quarantined and unemployment being so high it's going to be extremely difficult for anyone with a job to compete, and I hate seeing people feeling like they need to play 16 hour days for cosmetic rewards.
I don't want to sound too negative though. Really excited that Misthalin is the starting region. Edgeville Dungeon chaos druids should be interesting...
Yo!
Completely understandable. However, the main purpose for the trophies is to give players a chance to compete against each other and having flat milestones for achieving trophies would not quite reflect how well you're doing compared to someone else.
It was received well last year keeping it % based, but of course we'll keep monitoring feedback to make sure it lives up to the community's expectations! :)
So is the wilderness open and accessible?
Whole world is open apart from Kebos and Kourend!
Thank you guys for this! I loved the last leagues and I can’t wait to play this one!!
Same!! :)
So overtime we will have access to all of runescape but kourend?
Nope, you won't be able to unlock all the areas. We'll give you more details regarding the specifics of the areas as we're getting closer to release.
/u/JagexAcorn any plans to allow us to play on our mains while simultaneously playing leagues on the same account so I can avoid xpwaste, while also being able to get the rewards for my main?
It is something we want to do in the future however the current infrastructure does not allow for it. Doesn't mean it's impossible, just not going to be something that can happen for Leagues II unfortunately.
How would you feel about adding that top 100 trophy for the people who reached that rank in twisted league? I played like 42/60 days and feels kinda bad that you're only adding a hard trophy now
As much as I'd like to, I also feel it'd be unfair to in hindsight add it since nobody knew it'd be an option going into Twisted League. In my opinion, it's important everyone knows what's at stake going into a League, so that they can plan and play around it.
"Any insured pets gained in the previous League will carry over to the next"
So no one is getting their pets from twisted league because no one was able to ensure them? Also confirmed kandarin area unlock?
All pets in Twisted League were automatically insured for you, we will do the same this time around.
We'll talk more about the specifics of areas leading up to release.
Can you please clarify this:
The resources you gather are sent directly to your Bank if you have space. If not, they will be placed in your Inventory.
Is this meant to be the other way around, or if you gather they will go to your bank, and if you want them in your inventory you'd have to fill your bank with fillers?
Correct, items will always go to your bank unless it's full.
Can we use existing membership to play?
Yes, as long as the account has membership regardless of it being a member before the League start date, it can play on the League worlds!
I appreciate the reply. I would argue though that this League isn't going to be like last year's. You have a much larger chunk of your player base that will have a huge advantage over the players who work. Unemployment rates are 10x as high as they were in parts of the world as last year. Back then even if you worked, if you played smart and worked hard you had a chance of making the top few tiers. Now, I'm not so sure.
I definitely appreciate that it's something you'll monitor from the community though. You're absolutely right that if the players still want % based rewards then they should stay.
Yeah I definitely see the concern, and thank you for raising it. I personally feel like trophies and the hiscores are the two only elements in the League giving players a purpose to compete against others. All other rewards can be obtainable by everyone at a flat rate by just playing.
Trophies to me are meant to rank you compared to the rest of the player-base, used as an indicator to see how well you've done in the Leauge (which I understand in OSRS is very much related to playtime). Many games to similar ranking systems to this on top of other reward-layers, because it's a very important element to some player-types. Now, in OSRS playtime is a bigger factor than in many other games, but I also believe many of our players are aware playtime will in almost all cases give you an advantage in OSRS (unless we time-cap a challenge).
Many of you felt that getting into the Top 1% was too easy in the last League, so as a result this time we'd like to offer a new target to aim for - the Trailblazer Trophy. This untradeable cosmetic trophy will be awarded only to those who rank among the Top 100 in the League. Let us know your thoughts on this!
Not really a fan of this new trophy, and I'm not sure who was saying dragon tier was too easy. I played at least 6 hours every single day and was near the middle of dragon tier. Top 100 will require over 16 hours per day easily if there's a reward for it, I'm not sure if that's a healthy thing to encourage.
It gets especially bad when you consider that most of the top ranks in the last league were account sharing
Having a fixed number of ranks for any trophy I think is a bad idea.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this, naturally we're not going to throw in a new trophy if we see that there is no desire for it. We want to make this as exciting for everyone as possible.
That's a fair perspective. Regardless of how the trophies shake out, I'm super excited for the new League and can't wait to see what you've all come up with for your second swing at it. The first League was surprisingly polished for a first attempt at such a big concept. Stay safe and good luck, Flippy!
Big thank you for addressing this, we really do value feedback like this. So glad you're excited, I am too!
We'll try our absolute best to get these things right for you guys. :)
/u/JagexFlippy Can you elaborate on the "Skilling Prodigy" relic? If you were 99 in Woodcutting, would it boost you to 109? And what's the point of that, because this twitter post from Ash implies that skills boosted over level 99 are for the most part useless, unless it's a combat skill.
What you say is true, it won't help you once you're above 99. Personally I think the main benefit from the relic comes from hitting level milestones much earlier than everyone else. Having a whip between 75-85 slayer, fury at 80 crafting, etc.
We haven't gotten into the balancing jobs yet, so numbers may change prior to the Leagues launch, so please keep that in mind.
I was excited for the first Leagues as an old RS player who hadn't played in like 10 years. It got me so hard back into the game I started an Ironman as soon as it finished.
I am SO excited for this. It's unhealthy how much I am going to play. Dragon cup here we come
Me too, can't wait!
Honestly idk. My first thought is that cb skills are att, str, def, hp, mage, range, prayer. But they could definitely include slayer in there if they want, it's just up to them.
/u/JagexFlippy any info on this? Is slayer considered a cb skill?
Slayer is not considered a combat skill for this Relic. Only skills that affect your combat level.
I'll let you trailblaze me after reading that
hmm
So can you play on an existing account with stats or do you have to purchase a new account
You can play on an existing account however the world is a separate game mode meaning your stats won't carry over.
/u/JagexAcorn , I ask here because I don’t really have another channel to ask through, but please consider and pass on this message: a top 100 trophy would push many players to unhealthy extremes. I achieved dragon tier last leagues, top 500 actually, and the idea of people competing for top 100 worries me.
I am very excited for a new league, and the twisted league was some of the most fun I’ve had gaming in the last 10 years, but please do consider that creating a goal this extreme may be more harmful than fun.
Regardless of the decision on that, thank you and the team for all the content and work you put in!
Edit: adding a tag to /u/JagexFlippy for any potential visibility
Appreciate the feedback! While it's not something set in stone it was something we wanted to mention early on to gauge feedback and I'll be sure to pass it on of course before any permanent decisions are made.
Will the boost allow you to get slayer assignments 10 over your level as well? Like getting assigned Abby demons at 75 slayer? Or will it act more like an invisible boost?
I'm fairly certain slayer tasks are locked behind base level and not boosted levels, so no. You could still kill abyssal demons off-task though.
That seems worse than the alternative, was it not possible to have excess items be sent to the bank? It'll make some things like woodcutting quite annoying since if you wanted to for example, fletch the logs you cut, you'd have to later go to the bank and do it there.
I see your point here, and this could definitely be a valid change to the Relic if time allows or potentially for a future Leauge.
This Relic is based on Arcane Courier from Twisted League, which worked as described in the blog.
Is the team content with the current balance of Relics and Tasks? TL was a mess on how underwhelming some relics were and how heavily weighted skilling and clues tasks were
Statistics showed the Twisted League Relics were fairly balanced in terms of pick rate. Now, that doesn't mean they are balanced on paper, but it showed that there was at least a diverse desire for the different Relics.
It's impossible getting all Relics to a completely balanced state, because so many systems and strategies feed into the power of the Relics. But I can assure you we're doing our best to create interesting and fair picks for the players and hopefully we end up with a diverse, fair pool of choices.
We're doing two concrete changes this time around to improve the over-all balance of Relics. Passive effects are the first addition we're doing, to make sure all "boring, but strategic" choices are free for everyone no matter which Relic they pick. That's why you won't see a Relic that just boosts all your XP by x5 this League. Secondly, we've categorized the choices so that someone can't pick the "PVM route" because the over-all balance favours PVM. This will hopefully lead to more interesting, less predictable paths and avoid stacking Relics offering obvious synergies.
So this is like gridlocked? The series Framed did?
Not quite gridlocked (although it's still on our backlog of potential concepts) since you can pick regions that aren't adjacent to each other. The unlocks are also based on a flat amount of normal tasks rather than a check-list of tasks you need to complete and the regions are much larger than grids.
Will we be able to do group pvm? (drop goes to highest damage as with normal accounts). Bossing might end up a nightmare with everyone as an ironman for non-instanced bosses.
Extremely Excited.
We're currently discussing this, so no decisions have been made yet. Me too, see you in the Trailblazer League! :)
I am SO excited! I've been craving new Leagues content since the day Twisted League ended. What is somewhat disappointing is we're still on a 2-month time limit to play and enjoy the League. Is there any chance at all that the League worlds could continue to function past the 2-month point gathering time limit and allow us to continue playing without being allowed to store points? And for that matter, could "off-season" leagues be a thing so we can continue to enjoy them for their own sake?
We're not extending it past the 2-month mark. (Only if it clashes with certain dates or holidays) But even then, it should just be a few days.
We have been discussing the potential of making off-season Leagues without rewards, purely for fun but I can't promise anything at this point.
Glad you're also excited! :)
Flip, is a time capped league something you guys would consider? Something where you get maybe 10 hours a day, or a certain amount of hours for the whole league?
I can see it coming with problems where everything is based on efficiency, but it already kind of is and this would at least limit time advantage.
I'm personally not a big fan of time-capped challenges in OSRS. I feel like it contradicts the original design of the game by pressuring you to use every minute as efficiently as possible, leading to a lot of niche, tedious strategies. I feel like it's harder to enjoy the game when a clock is ticking.
(Just my personal opinion though, doesn't mean it can't ever happen)
I'm afraid itl be too weak. Those are big advantages normally but when you have a base 5x exp that can probably be increased to even higher amounts later on, the 10 levels may end up being very weak in comparison to the other 2. Just my guess though.
I see your point, but it's not just in one skill. Getting 85-95 in one skill will probably not take long, but the boost covers all non-combat skills.
I think this Relic is more targeted towards players racing to certain objectives. If you want items early to complete tasks or to overcome challenges before other players, this Relic will probably help you more than the other two.
AFK autobank now also gives double resources? I'm not complaining
Me neither
In a league where the completion date of a task matters not, I don’t see why this would be a viable strategy. This relic seems weaker than the other two on its face. I hope there will be some sort of secondary benefit added during balancing.
The completion date might matter if you're racing againt other players.
But yeah, of course we're going to review all the relics in the balancing phase so we'll see what happens then.
Synergistic relics should not be totally abandoned in future leagues hopefully - it was a fun part of strategizing last time. I am stoked about this league though!
They're not abandoned at all! Only difference is that this time you have the opportunity to be creative and find cool combinations rather than us just giving you a pre-made build that will work.
IMO, it's more fun seeing creative player-made builds rather than everyone picking among 4 common builds.
How will clue scrolls work? Will you only get the steps that can be completed in your unlocked areas?
Clue scrolls will work like they do normally. (Not like they did in Twisted League) We'll just make sure steps locked behind quests that can't be completed are available.
If you unlock a region that isn't adjacent to anything you currently have unlocked, is there any other way to get there besides teleporting?
We'll provide teleports so that you don't have to unlock it through other methods.
Can you make the teleports slow, or annoying to use in some way? I don't think any metas should include abusing these new arbitrary teleports, which would definitely be the case if we could instantly teleport between certain areas.
Yeah I definitely agree, might even consider a cooldown for those specifically
Thanks for your answer, I assume clues won't be in zeah as well? Since that area will be locked?
I believe the plan is to disable those steps
this could definitely be a valid change to the Relic if time allows or potentially for a future Leauge.
I get the feeling that it's coming in weeks, rather than months, with how you've written this. I thought we were still looking at a draft of Leagues II?
Would you say it's mostly fleshed out at this point?
We’re mid production right now!
I dislike the idea of equating ‘competing against each other’ to ‘can I spend more time grinding than the other guy’.
I would much rather see skill-based challenges for competition - like giving bosses more mechanics or a larger difficulty curve. Maybe look at PoE’s mapping system?
Giving a high goal to aim for gives everyone a ‘fair’ shot of getting rewards, as it doesn’t base itself on a floating goalpost. I sincerely hope this is reconsidered.
Agree with most of what you're saying here. I do however think the core of OSRS has equally much to do with dedication, endurance, planning and setting goals for yourself as overcoming mechanically difficult challenges.
I disagree saying a high goal gives everyone a "fair shot". A sizable portion of our player base cannot complete very mechanically difficult challenges and Leagues was never supposed to be a competition of mechanical skill (only).
I'd argue League's current way of measuring performance takes both player categories into account rather than only measuring one type. And yes, between two equally skilled players the player who plays more will probably get a higher rank. But honestly I don't think that's an alien concept to the general OSRS players or for any other game.
If you want to achieve the highest rank in most games, you have to play a lot.
Statistics showed the Twisted League Relics were fairly balanced in terms of pick rate.
Could you share these statistics?
A data stream earlier in the year showed that all tiers of relics had a choice that received a 51% pick rate or higher. (i.e. ever tier of relics had an option that was chosen more often than the other 2 options combined). In fact, 2 tiers had a relic option that received a pick rate over 70%. Several relics even had pick rates below 20% or even 10%.
Was this data inaccurate? It doesn't appear to me that the relics in Twisted League received a balanced pick rate.
Some Relics choices were unbalanced yes, but please take in mind we don't tweak Relics post-launch launch in our current format. It's impossible to hit a 33% rate on all tiers without doing live balancing or beta world testing.
Can we use the points leftover from the previous league aswell? Like do they add together?
Yes you can, but only when pertaining to the reward shop itself. In the reward shop, League Points are not specific to the League (hence why last least your League Points in the shop weren't called "Twisted League Points"). You cannot however use League Points from Twisted League to unlock Relics quicker in Trailblazer, as those points have been converted to the Reward Shop after Twisted League ended. Hope that makes sense!
Does that mean old, saved Twisted League points are identical to the new Leagues II points, and they stack together?
They stack together only in the Reward Shop itself as they are just called "League Points", they won't however stack in Trailblazer to help you unlock relics faster.
u/ModAcorn can we put that in the original post cause this is super important. I’ve played for years and it felt unclear where exactly we’d have access to for strategizing.
We will be giving more information on areas as we develop and balance them. As others pointed out, we are still trying to work out what goes in each region and it won't necessarily be your standard definition of "Misthalin" for example as we include the likes of Fossil Island. Once we have it all clearly defined we will let you know :)
I should clarify what I meant by setting a high goal: instead of making the rewards percentile based, I would rather see them be a fixed amount. This way we don’t have a constantly floating goalpost to aim for and can be done with the league at some point, ie ‘giving everyone a fair shot’.
Either way, thank you for taking the time over the weekend to read our feedback Flippy. Your dedication to the game is beautiful ❤️
Right, I understand. So the main reason behind trophies is to give the competetive players a way to get rewarded based on how well they did compared to the rest of the community. Trophies are not meant to be a reward indicating you ”finished” the League. We have all the other rewards serving that purpose. I see players to this day being so proud over their dragon trophy, and that’s becauase they beat 99% of all other players. That’s a feeling you can’t beat with flat rates and I wouldn’t want to take that away from them unless I had to.
No problem at all, I love this game just as much as you guys do. Hope you have a great sunday!! :)