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09 Jul

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Originally posted by -Falrein

Okay, this'll probably be buried under a lot of other comments but I ought to write it or I won't forgive myself.

First of all, I do appreciate the honest answer. I am personally not a fan of the cast choice, but I appreciate that you'd explain the reasoning behind it.

I am glad to read that you like the IP/World of Runeterra. I'm a huge fan of it as well, and it at least makes me feel better to know that you do to since you're overseeing the whole thing.

Now, if I may voice my honest opinion (and I ask that you believe I have no ill intention), I think that the idea of making a worldwide threat event may not have been the best idea to begin with. Of course, I understand the appeal and all, it's great to have heroes and characters from all around the world having to work together against a common threat.What I personally dislike is that in that sort of instance, there are many, many champions that could or would take action, and we likely never will see what...

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The current event takes place from the Sentinels PoV so we will see what they see. We can always expand on what happened with other champions at different locations like we did with the recent Hecarim short story. While I cant confirm anything we have not announced I can say I agree that it would be exciting to see what happened to different champs around Runeterra during this moment. I don't think it would ever be possible for us to tell what happened to the entire cast of 150+ champions during a massive event like this, nor do I think having a cast that size should cause us to never do world ending threat events. I think u can tell a really compelling story with a smaller cast during a world ending event that is still worth telling, even if the answer to what every other champion is doing can't always be answered

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Originally posted by KingKensei

Alright if money isn't the reason, why include champs like Darius, Samira and Poppy in a cinematic if they're not even gonna be in the event at all? Could have Shown Draven and shyvana getting ruined cause you know their ruined skins.

Seems like shitty bait and switch tactics to me generate false hype and hope for their playerbase

I'd much rather Poppy not have been in the cinematic so I could trust Riot was just gonna ignore her existence again than get my hopes up for them to be ripped away for dollar store Bayonetta

The SS thing happened like 3-4 moths before the current SoL event. This is also why Poppy and Vayne are no longer together. They don't just hang out for 3-4 months after that moment. The SS was about Viego coming after Senna and when he starts to pull the soul out it triggers mini-ruinations across Runeterra. This is separate from the SoL fighting back against Viego. Connecting everything super close like that (the exact champions that randomly get involved in the mini-ruinations just happen to ALL run into the SoL and join them) makes the world feel very small. I think having some connected champions in the various stories we are telling about the Ruination is cool and makes sense, but having everything that connected starts to feel unrealistic in a world the size of Runeterra. SoL is one story directly revolving around Senna/Lucian and their fight against Viego and it involves the Champions and characters they run into during their journey. Also if we put the exact same champions...

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Originally posted by moumerino

Wow thank you for taking the time writing this! Honestly I picked up on Guardians of the Galaxy vibes right away, and I love it, I just wish we got at least one truly good champion of light for the event. If we're talking Mass Effect, someone like Liara, Tali, and Garrus.

I hope it will be explained how Pyke and Rengar fit into this whole thing.

Irelia is truly good. Senna, Lucian and Gwen are pretty close to truly good as well, Senna for sure. And yes it will be explained how and why they join in the visual novel

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Originally posted by BADxW0LF1

Can I ask why Vayne was chosen yet again to be included in a big league event since she was also in the Spirit Blossom event? Out if all the Champs you have in this game, she just gets two in a row and even your only two big in client events. It just seems unfair (and I know you guys don't really care about fairness for champ skins, just who fits the theme best) to give your ONLY two big in client lore events to the same champ.

I explained in the response. Vayne was the number one choice for Champions that would make the most sense to join the Sentinels and to advance her lore

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Originally posted by Spideraxe30

I can tell from the tone of this post and your other responses you’re being sincere and I honestly appreciate how open you are about strategy and your thinking behind decision making. I want to ask if you think the scope of the event can really do this story justice since this seems like the apocalypse and everyone reacts to the apocalypse so it might be a little jarring not knowing what X champ is doing during this

I think for the event story yes. The in-client experience is long and is from the Sentinels POV, not the entire world. I think for the Sentinels and champions in the main story, and for many of the main characters we will do them justice. Obv different champions all over the world are having their own experiences that we don't see from the Sentinels POV and we can always touch on those in the future (like how we recently released a story about what Hecarim is doing during all this since the Sentinels never run into him directly.) Like I don't think you needed to know what was happening all over the galaxy for ME2 to be a good story, for example.

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Originally posted by Masalar

I do appreciate you responding, but I want to try and express why it can still feel bad as player when you choose certain champs for events like this even if you have a good and valid “explanation” for it. And that’s the difference between and explanation and a justification. If unpopular champ A makes perfect sense for a story, but super popular champ B could also sort of probably be used, it feels like the better story would be told with A, and the lore would explain it. But since B makes more money you go with B (which is understandable even if not always enjoyable). But since the story isn’t a perfect when told with B, you’re not giving us an explanation for why the story is using them, you’re justifying why you’re using them instead of A. And the story will pretty much always feel worse when told that way.

When you guys tried to tell us why Viego had the appearance he does we already had a searchable history of male champ design. He was going to be a shirtless pretty ...

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Right but I think your A and B example is very subjective. I personally was very excited to see a story with these Champions and I think others will be as well. I think different players as well as different writers here at riot will have different opinions on who they think will make a more exciting story. The main writer of the event for example, was the MOST excited about Graves being in the story then any other Champion and felt he would add a lot to the story. Other writers and players will have different opinions. I think it's impossible to just say "These specific champions would 100% make a better story then these other specific champions" It's all very subjective

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Originally posted by hellhound39

Thanks for the response, we appreciate it. My only question is will there be any links to piltover or Zaun, it seems a little odd that they’re left out of this as far as representation for Ruined or Sentinels.

I don't want to spoil the story ahead of time especially for a chapter that comes out 2 weeks from now, but while u acquire Graves in P/Z he is not the sentinel(s) you meet with in P/Z. I'll just leave it at that for now

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Hey all, Reav3 here, Creative Lead of this Event. Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier but I just now got on reddit this morning and checked out this thread. I'm probably insane for even responding in this thread since I think a lot of people in this thread won't care what my response is, and will assume bad intentions no matter what I say here, but hey I like talking to players and I'm also apparently a masochist (I also think this will reach a lot of players that are genuinely interested in the answer here)

So there's a lot covered in this thread and I will try to answer as much as I can. Let's start with the main question, which I don't think is specifically about "Skin politics" since events like this and spirit blossom are massive events that stretch WAY farther than just skin. I think the real question being asked here is "Did Riot care about event ROI (Return on Investment) when choosing the Champions that got skins? ' ' The answer to that is that of course we did....

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Originally posted by DanteStorme

So does Gwen also have a tiny pair of scissors or is she just using that massive pair to cut everything?

As seen in her release trailer Gwen can magically change the size of her scissors at will to be any size she wants

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Originally posted by Jepeseta

This feels very insincere to me. Saying that choosing a champ per region was a tough call but then excluding both Piltover and Zaun completely in favor of a Bilgewater skin. Which is super annoying because we already had a Bilgewater sentinel in Pyke and a Bilgewater Ruined skin in MF, not every region got a pair of Ruined AND Sentinel skins, then add the fact that they got a third skin in Graves and that it's a legendary...

I’d love to answer this but it would spoil a lot of the story. You will have to play through the story for answers

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Originally posted by beantheduck

How do you explain Vayne’s willingness to join the sentinels when she is so apposed to magic related things and beings?

Once again I’m not going to spoil the story here for people that want to experience themselves. I would suggest playing through the in client narrative experience if I want to get context on everything

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Originally posted by PhantomSpirit202

So who was the representative for piltover and zaun then?

You will have to play through and find out :)

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Originally posted by DeusWombat

Thank you for an honest answer, please don't take it personally when I say that I still see it as bad storytelling, if not moreso bad management. It's more what you guys set up that is missing, rather than what players wanted.

The first cinematic deliberately set up Poppy and Vayne as directly implicated with the new Sentinels, yet the newest one implies Vayne is either directly sought out by Luc and Senna or meets them by chance, making that final scene of Ruination an abandoned plot thread. It also implies Vayne fails to mention she personally knows an ultra powerful Yordle who is likely stronger than all of them combined, which kind of goes against the idea that she's willingly tolerating magical presence for the sake of protecting Demacia. If you where never going to do anything with Poppy then you just shouldn't have included her. Her lore is extremely important to Demacia as a whole and now who knows if and when we will ever see that expanded upon now that she had he...

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I would suggest playing through the very lengthy in client narrative experience. I think you will find a lot of answers that

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I’m confused as to what your argument is? You are saying the Vaynes lore doesn’t progress in a story u haven’t played through with the vast majority of the story not even released yet? Your argument is based on skin VO? I’m totally fine with constructive criticism but I would appreciate if it was after u have actually played through the entire event story. I can’t say a lot now since I don’t want to spoil any of the story.

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Originally posted by DJFae

I just hope that you guys use this event to advance Poppy's story even a little. How often will you get the chance for her to actually see that shes the hero and not someone else? Also shame that Bandle didnt get a representative but, might get that answer when Vex drops :D

Bandle city is in the spirit world so it didn’t make sense for the Sentinels to travel their or for the mist to reach bandle city since the ruination takes place in the physical realm

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Originally posted by DeusWombat

No f**king way lol. If she actually isn't playing any bigger role please just be honest and say "we didn't make any plans for her" or "we didn't think her skin would sell well enough so we shafted her". Just please do NOT gaslight her playerbase to cover bad storytelling/direction

I mean that's what she is doing at the moment from a lore perspective. We don't have plans for her in the event, but that isn't specifically because we didn't think her skin would sell or anything. It would have been impossible for us to fit every single Champion that we could of in this event as the event already has a enormous about of art assets in it, way more then spirit blossom. We wanted one champion per region, and we didn't really have the scope to add lots of champions per region. We had to choose between Poppy or Vayne for Demacia and we chose Vayne because her story progression made the most sense (since she is already a monster slayer so joining the Sentinels in order to get better tools to hunt more monster's made a ton of sense for her, and her lore already has a lot of overlap with the Sentinels) That's the honest answer. Of course in a world where we have infinite scope and resources I would have loved to include every single Champion players would want in this sto...

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08 Jul

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Originally posted by Thrantro

Of all the champions I have a hard time seeing vayne being too eager to let a haunted magic doll go anywhere near her head with magic scissors

You will have to play through the even story to get context into why Vayne joins the Sentinels and why she is allowing stuff like that

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Originally posted by shinomiya2

nothing in her lore really screams fashionista

It is important to have multiple pairs of glasses in case one breaks though

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Originally posted by KingKensei

Where's Poppy? :)

Protecting the citizens of Demacia while Vayne goes after the big monster

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Originally posted by mking1999

Well this is just a spoiler then D:

Why? I didnt say which side wins