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28 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by MchLeLe

Sorry about that.

Here you go: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rOlCjDxtdHD0_mu-5AYRu9VmzEWVNFmG/view?usp=sharing

By the way, still happens on driver version 528.24.

Yeah - that looks awful. You should be able to play at 180fps.

Your GPU seems to be running weirdly - it is stepping, slowing down slowly, then suddenly going really slow for a bit and then speeding up again. And it should be running much faster than it is.

Is your 3060Ti just running with default settings or have you tried to optimise or overclock it? Have you changed any GPU related settings from the driver?

Maybe try it without Overwolf. That can do bad things, stealing a lot of time from the GPU for itself.

Let me know how you go.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by SirWobblyOfSausage

I'm at a loss with it, my Partner is also experiencing the same issues. Whenever there are team fights, especially the first, its like our characters teleport from one position to position. It's been happening for the since the patch before Christmas. Usually have great FPS 144/142 average (I've been checking the r3dlogs.

Both have 1660 GPU's, but different processors.

CPU: Ryzen 3600

GPU: Nvidia 1660

GPU driver version: 528.24

Reproduction rate: Every game

Optionally (you don’t have to do these, but this information may help)

What overlays are you running (Blitz etc)? Blitz.gg, but happens without any overlay running. Discord is off. Nvidia Overlay is off and so is Microsoft Game Overlay.

Did running the game in DX9 mode help? (You can do this via settings/Game/Prefer DX9 Legacy Mode) Not tried

Did running with SMT/Hyperthreading turned off help? N

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Thanks for the RPD. You are running with frame cap set to 144 and vsync on. I assume you have a 144Hz monitor? From the RPD, I can see your performance is quite bad, but it shouldn't be with your CPU. Can I recommend you try a couple of thing?

1) Turn off frame cap and vsync. (ie cap to 240 with no vsync). How does that play?

2) Check your GPU settings (from outside the game). Are you forcing vsync or a frame cap there?

The problem with VSYNC is that if you just miss a frame, then it will wait for the next frame - this results in the frame rate halving for that frame and you end up with very spikey framerates. Which is what you are seeing.


27 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by MchLeLe

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5600X

GPU: ZOTAC RTX 3060 TI

Driver version: 528.02 (Upgrading to 528.24 currently, will test and update)

Reproduction rate: Every game

Overlays: Team Advisor (via Overwolf)

DX9: N/A (will try and update)

SMT/Hyperthreading: N/A (will try and update)

RPD: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y71G02ZAIuJHwCmm43j5zIu01ryjaEEH/view?usp=sharing

I need an RPD from a proper game. Not Practicetool.

Don't bother with SMT or DX9 - that was for the bug which is already fixed.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by KINGTGERGO

Started lagging couple days after I upgraded to WIN11 22H2

CPU: i7 860

GPU: GTX 1050Ti

Driver version: 528.24

Reproduction rate: Every game

Overlays: -

DX9: -

SMT: -

RPD: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15fFkHxQhgS0g31-tFF6Zc2yiYsxDXulv/view?usp=share\_link

Your CPU is just within the minimum spec, so you should be able average around 60fps. But you will drop below that in big team fights.

Your average frame rate for that game was ok, but you did have a lot of frame spikes throughout the game. These would have made the game feel pretty bad. I'm not sure what cold cause these spikes, but they are most likely from outside of the game - are you running anything else? Any frame capping software? Your system load is quite low, so it doesn't look like anything significant is running in the background. How much RAM do you have? And do you know what type?

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Striking_Title_3676

Inb4 it's worth to note, that in last season I had ~250fps avg throughout the game, now it's 120-140 in the first 5 minutes, then unstable 120 with drops even to 70fps.

CPU: Ryzen 5 5600

GPU: RTX 3070

GPU driver version: 528.24, tried to rollback to 528.02 and noticed no difference

Overlays: Sometimes I use blitz, but it doesn't really affect my framerate.\

DX9: I tried it on practice tool and bot game, got even worse results than on dx11

RPD: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YDOFUxYVaFecct5mtSb22Ni2uncllYDe/view?usp=sharing

That RPD is from a PracticeTool game. I need one from a League game, or ARAM. It's easy to make a PracticeTool game drop frames - I'm not concerned about that.

Turn off anything which may use your GPU - and GPU optimisers, and anything that frame caps or modifies the GPU in any way which isn't League. Only use League to frame cap your game. Turn off anything which is recording your GPU.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by skilsor

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600

GPU: RTX 2070

GPU driver version: 528.02

Reproduction rate: every game

Overlay: Blitz, Geforce Overlay (turning off instant replay does not improve performance)
DX9 did not help.
Have not tried turning off SMT.

It's kinda annoying to get drops into the 50s range, especially since I used to get very good FPS a few years ago with an i5 4460 and a GTX 970 ^^

RPD: https://we.tl/t-A9JobQjpFh

Firstly, all overlays have an impact on performance. Some more, some not so much. Anything which is using your CPU or GPU (or hard drive) to record your game will also have an impact on performance.

Don't bother with SMT or DX9, that was for the issue that has already been fixed.

From that RPD, your GPU is spending too much time rendering. I suspect that something else is using your GPU at the same time.

My recommendation: turn off everything that isn't League. Turn off all overlays, all recording, turn off Twitch streams in the background. Turn off your Youtube stream. Everything. Then try the game again and if it is still bad, send me an RPD.


24 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by mysteryrhyme

Please trust that it's definitely not network related. And the only reason I changed the cap to 60 from 144 is because 80-90 fps feels so weird to play on in the first place. I don't get why but it feels like 50-55 fps. It's choppy and clunky and I could swear that there's an ever so slight input lag too.

I will check my mouse's polling rate today. It's connected directly to my computer.

Why do you think its not network related? If the game is playing at a decent frame rate, but still feels choppy to control, then it could very well be a slow or error prone network. It could be anything from your router to the ISP you communicate through to the wifi connection you're on to the very server you're connecting to.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by mysteryrhyme

Also for some reason setting the cap to 60 fps gives me screen tearing even though I have a 60hz monitor?

Capping won’t stop tearing. Vsync will.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Rektilius1

Started having this problem on the newest patch (13.1), was able to get steady 144 fps in the past. My game even dropped to 34 fps at some point when doing baron.
CPU: Intel Core i5 4440

GPU: RX 590

GPU driver version: 22.5.1

Reproduction rate: Every game

What overlays are you running ?: Porofessor, but happens even without any overlays or programs running in the background

Did running the game in DX9 mode help? - No

Did running with SMT/Hyperthreading turned off help? Cpu doesnt support hyperthreading

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1diU20\_Op\_BLy\_CVPPHwDDIfK2iW2jzHe/view?usp=share\_link

You should be running at closer to 90fps. But your system seems pretty loaded, running at over 60% the whole time. What are you running in the background? Check with Task Manager to make sure that nothing else is running at the same time, stealing CPU and GPU time from League.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Elysonn

Hey RiotTony, I am reallu struggling here. CPU: Ryzen 5 2600X

GPU: GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VRAM

GPU driver version: latest NVIDIA Drivers 528.02

Reproduction rate: Every game

Optionally (you don’t have to do these, but this information may help)

What overlays are you running (Blitz etc)? No overlays.

Did running the game in DX9 mode help? No I didn't notice a difference

Did running with SMT/Hyperthreading turned off help? Nope, something seemed a bit different with SMT off but the issue was not resolved.

Game starts of at normal FPS -above 150- and steadily after some minutes drops. Doesn't matter if I am in a particle heavy teamfight or just farming minions. Additionally despite having a 60Hz display and with my fps dropping only at around 80-90 when I notice the drops, the game feels super sluggish and laggy-like I am playing at/below 60 FPS. Essentially my character feels weird to pilot. Thanks for hearing me out. ...

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You'll need to give me access to that file.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by mysteryrhyme

CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-7300HQ

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050

GPU driver version: 528.02 (latest)

Reproduction rate: Every single game

What overlays are you running? None

Did running the game in DX9 mode help? No

Did running with SMT/Hyperthreading turned off help? No

RPD file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oUi1GFKlfABNlz8J4KJ6y4-cqmKQSfws/view?usp=sharing

I get stable 130-144 FPS for the first 5 minutes of the game, which slowly degrades to sub 90-95 FPS as the game progresses. This has been going on for months and months now. I suspect that the elemental map changes might have an effect as there's a noticeable drop the moment the map transforms.

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Your hardware should average around 80fps. I can see from that RPD that you were alt-tabbing around a bit, then changed the frame cap at near the end of game.

If your character feels weird to pilot, it could be network. Also, check your mouse - what polling rate do you have it set to and are you connected directly to your computer or is it via a hub (like a monitor or other powered USB hub)?

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Serpic_RU

I want to understand this problem more and dug deeper. During the game, I started logging through WPR and stopped at the moment when the FPS dropped a lot (from 140 to 80, right at the time of death). Having opened this log (the size is about 11GB, by the way), I saw that at that moment the CPU and GPU time was occupied by the dwm.exe process

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317922941205610531/1067141776823046174/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317922941205610531/1067138043665981450/League_PerfDump_2.zip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317922941205610531/1067137418601451611/SERP.01-23-2023.20-24...

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Thanks for the ETL. Looks like you have external applications causing issues. You're running OBS, Overwolf, Discord, Afterburner, amongst others. When the game seems to slow down, PhoneExperienceHost is accessing your registry. No idea why. Also, even the taskmanager has a measurable impact on performance.

I would recommend running without anything else in the background (as much as possible). Turn off Afterburner, Overwolf, OBS and anything else which might use your CPU or GPU and try again. Send me an RPD and, if you're keen, and ETL could be handy. (but do the RPD without the WPR running first).

And I have to say thanks for that ETL - its very interesting and has highlighted a couple of things that might be performance issues that we can address internally.


22 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Zgad33

hello, I start the game with 250 fps and within 10 seconds it drops to 55-80 and remains stuck regardless of whether I play with the graphics on maximum or minimum... HELP IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY

Send me an RPD file of a game where that happened and I’ll see if I can help.


21 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Slow_Emu_

I'm not saying it's bad, it used to be steady around 220-240, now gets stuck at 180 in mid game, even when in fountain. I'll upload logs when I play later.

Edit: it is intermittent, and does not happen every game.

Thanks for the info. An RPD will definitely help.


20 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Slow_Emu_

Capped at 240fps, beginning runs between 230 to 240fps @1080p

Mid game it drops to around 180ish, doesn't matter screen activity

CPU: 5600x

GPU: 6600xt

GPU driver version: whql April 22(not at PC rn) Reproduction rate: intermittent, sometimes first game, sometimes after a few

What overlays are you running (Blitz etc)? Built in Xbox - all others are turned off, except toast notifications from adrenaline

Did running the game in DX9 mode help? (You can do this via settings/Game/Prefer DX9 Legacy Mode) N/a have not tried

Did running with SMT/Hyperthreading turned off help? N/a have not yet tried

Hwmonitor shows both GPU and CPU nowhere near full load, temps are around 55C

That sounds like you’re getting excellent performance. What makes you think 180fps is bad?

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by d3vissi

Hey Tony,

Thanks for the reply.

I do not recall using ani GPU frame capping or optimisation software. I use MSI afterburner a little bit to oc my gpu however I've been using it for a long time before game started behaving that way.

What are your suggestions about the CPU issue u saw?

Thanks in advance

Try disabling Afterburner and let me know if it helps.

As for the load increasing, that has to be something else running on your computer. League can't use 70% of your CPU - it doesn't utilise enough threads.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by SLYFX_Gaming

I get this same thing. game starts fine. Minions show themselves im still fine. Until i touch my mouse then i go from 144 fps to 80-90 and my screen appears to shake with each step. It's worse when walking up or down lane vs side to side which is why im lead to believe this is a vsync or refresh rate issue within league since it only happens in league.

I have tried with vsync off and vsync on. Neither fixes it. Which is why ive figured it to be a "inside of league" issue tht Riot needs to handle.

cpu ryzen 9 7900x
gpu 6950xt

i never have issues when im playing anything else. and i stream all the time while playing. Sometimes i can get a successful test run out of a practice match. But in any actual game, it stops working. but it doesnt stop as the minions enter my screen. it stops as i make my next move at tht point.

What do you plug your mouse into? Directly into your computer or via a hub of some form (a monitor for example)? And what is the update frequency of your mouse? (Polling rate?)

And, as always, RPD files help me diagnose problems. Without them I'm just guessing.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by Serpic_RU

CPU: i7 10700k

GPU: 3070

GPU driver version: 528.02

RAM: 64

Overlay: Rivatuner Statistic Server (part of MSI Afterburner)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/317922941205610531/1065678499639218216/League\_PerfDump.zip

In 90% of cases, the performance is normal and stays at around 140+ FPS (144 cup). But in huge fights (in this log it is 15:58 minutes) there is a drop in FPS by about 30-40, which makes the game feel completely different.

That RPD only contains data for 5 minutes of a game, I'll need more than that to help.

Okay, but if all the problems occur after 5 minutes of playing?

RPDs give me a view of the frame times for the entire game. Which is why I need to see a full game (not practicetool) to be able to determine if you're experiencing normal or degraded performance.

I see your frame drop at 15 minutes - It's triggered by some large GPU stalls, followed by 2 250ms stalls, which seem to be primarily input related. The input is probably due to Windows events flooding the event queue after the stalls.

Try turning off Afterburner. It can play badly with League.

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by HaoSs07

-CPU: 5800x

-GPU: 3070

-GPU driver version: 528.02

-Reproduction rate: every game

-What overlays are you running : mobalistyc but tried with it off, same fps drops

-Did running the game in DX9 mode help?: did not try

-Did running with SMT/Hyperthreading turned off help?: did not try

-RPD: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u67DVY_5BWjnycw0cgezgeHUG8P_izGc/view?usp=sharing

Can't say exactly at what time happend, but had some huge FPS drops ( thot's how i ended up here), at one point i tought the game just froze..

Yeah. You had a 4 second stall about 6 minutes into game. And your frame rate is consistently bad. Are you running any 3rd party frame capping or GPU optimisation applications?


19 Jan

League FPS midgame slowdown: Call for details

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Originally posted by d3vissi

Hello Riot Tony,Hope you are having great day, here is my set according to your instructions:

CPU: Amd ryzen 5 2600

GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1060 6gb windforce II OC

GPU driver version: 528.02

Reproduction rate: Every single match, around 3 minutes in FPS drop from ~170 to around 60-90 and game stutters like crazy. (this refers to both league and tft)

What overlays are you running: I'm using blitz but if i disable it, nothing changes

Did running the game in DX9 mode help? (You can do this via settings/Game/Prefer DX9 Legacy Mode): haven't tried it yer, im gonna update asap

RPD file link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-MBCY-TegNgL91dqi6lBo4FvtDSxI-mo/view?usp=share_link

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Yeah - that game looks bad. Do not try DX9, do not try SMT - they were only when trying to find a very specific problem which has since been fixed. Are you running any 3rd party GPU frame capping or optimisation tools?

That game seems to have had an issue with CPU load increasing from 10% at the start to 70% by the end of game. That normally implies that something else is running or your CPU is throttling itself.