Zoythrus

Originally posted by ConstantStatistician

What about cities? Do they defend themselves with stationary cannons? They wouldn't need to move very far from the smithery. No army can lug around giant cannons with them, but cities don't move, and if Polytopians can transport them onto ships, they can transport them a short distance away to the edges of the city.

Originally posted by ConstantStatistician

We don't want to add common gunpowder-based units, such as a cannon on land. The Ragoo get away with it because of the pirate theme and nothing else.

I get that! I prefer the medieval/ancient world theme, too. I don't want to see guns in this game (unless a second version set in the modern world is made). It's just that gunpowder cannons on the ships always seemed anachronistic.

That explanation makes enough sense for me. I still wonder why they can't make them smaller, but I'll just accept the primitive technology explanation. After all, the first computers were giant, the size of a room, before people figured out how to miniaturize them. A cannon isn't a computer (their size was developed in reverse order, and the first were much smaller), but I'll still go with it because Polytopia isn't the real world.

Originally posted by ConstantStatistician

I'm glad to see some official explanation for this discrepancy, but it doesn't work because naval cannons weren't anything special. They were just cannons that happened to be moved onto ships. They weren't specially modified or designed for naval combat or ships; nothing prevented them from working the same on land. Bomber cannons are also very high-tech given their range of 3 squares.

Originally posted by Waste_Protection_420

Any chance for a buff, they could start with trade? I always thought this made sense because it goes along with their lore of being rich.

Right now, they are kind of poor due to lack of workshop, so the current setup doesn't quite fit them.

Originally posted by ChickenChimneyChanga

Interesting, so this specifically didn't play into the decision?

It makes a lot of sense that the fish people should be better on water than land, so I really like that y'all are going that direction. I've not encountered them in the beta yet to fully understand how they interact with the new navy.

Originally posted by ChickenChimneyChanga

I'm saying that if a game variant exists where winning is a forgone conclusion for a particular tribe/class/race in any game, there is a broken game mechanic that should be fixed or that variant should be removed. And that (pre-nerf) a competent (or at least similarly skilled) Aquarian player cannot be beaten on 1v1 massive drylands, and maybe Archipelago although I am less certain there. Midjiwan isn't going to remove massive drylands or archipelago, so changing Aquarian is the only other option. I would LOVE to hear u/Zoythrus comment on their logic for nerfing them, but I wager this is a big reason for it.

You have it a little backwards with them though. Aquarian is not very good on water world or continents. They are much, much better on drylands because of roads. They are also very good on archipelago because they can cross land and water, but waterworld/continents don't have the maze of shallow/deep water to screw with other tribes' nav...

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Originally posted by leobc99

Why nerf what doesn’t need to be nerfed

Originally posted by dmtchimp

Navalon was one of my favorite units! 😢😢😢

Please don’t remove, just give capabilities to starfish 🙏

Originally posted by ConstantStatistician

The scout seems rather weak overall, especially since it costs exactly the same as the rammer.

The rammer landing itself when killing a land unit is either a design flaw or a deliberate choice to reduce the viability of defender spam. I'd still prefer that it only land itself when killing a unit on a city of village.

The bomber is just the battleship 2.0. Defender bomber spam will be the norm.

Juggernauts seem fine aside from not being able to retaliate, which is dumb.