[2021] Please do not compare this game to siege anymore

Just want to clarify that there will not be Extraction exclusive Operators.

Copy Paste by definition implies that the Operators in Extraction are exact carbon copies of the ones in Siege. That’s not the case. Most if not all the Operators in Extraction are slightly different to their Siege counterparts. Their gadgets perform slightly differently as they have been adapted to fit the Archaens. If we take the example of Chanka. He is different than Siege as he has access to his turret in Extraction, which he does not in Siege.

Are there some that behave exactly like in Siege? Yes. Sledge comes to mind but if it’s not broke don’t fix it IMO.

You’re also ignoring that Extraction Ops are not limited to the load outs that you have in Siege.

You’re also ignoring the Extraction exclusive secondary gadgets.

I could go on but I think I’ve done

Brilliant

Most players have no concept of how long it takes to develop a single Operator in Siege. From concept to actually getting them in game, it takes about 9 months. Maps take a similar amount of time. There’s 12 Maps that are unique to Extraction. 12 HUGE maps.

Never was it suggested that Extraction would have unique Operators. This is something that the community has taken upon themselves to complain about but they created this expectation themselves out of thin air.

Here’s the reason they decided to have no new Operators in Extraction: https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/rainbow-six-extraction-will-only-feature-operators-from-siege-2982808?amp

And yeah they used to release 8 Ops per year. But they didn’t start working on those 8 at the beginning of that year. They started working on them months and months and months in advance. Some Ops are getting worked on right now that we won’t see until 2023. It’s not as simple as you start working on a Op and bang exactly 9 months later you see em in game. Some take longer some are almost ready to go and you need to put them back into the incubator etc. etc.

If you saw a trailer for a brand new Rainbow Six game that contained only existing Ops from Siege and immediately assumed there’d be brand new Ops in it, that’s on you I’m afraid.

Not if long before the assignment was submitted you made it clear that certain things (in this case the Operators) were going to be reused. As was the case here as it has always been clear that Extraction would be using the Operators from Siege.

Yet the community seems to be completely taken aback that the same Operators have been used.

The community created this expectation themselves for some reason despite the initial teaser from E3 clearly only featuring Siege Ops.

I mentioned expectations as Extraction has always been advertised as it was going to be a full price AAA game using the Siege Operators. But all of a sudden, people are acting as if it was a fast one that was pulled. No one was deceived yet the community is acting as if they were and fabricated these expectations themselves.

You state it as fact that the majority of Extraction is taken from Siege. Aside from the common Operators and weapons/gadgets/Outbreak Enemies, the rest of the stuff is new.

If you create brand new Ops/Enemies/Weapons, it ceases to be a Rainbow Six game.

You’re also ignoring the new stuff, which includes 12 maps that are all 3 times the size of Siege maps that are brand new. There’s new gadgets and new enemies as well. Don’t forget the tweaks to certain Operators’ gadgets.

Don’t forget the entire progression structure, both on a general level and Operator level. Something that doesn’t exist in Siege. There’s also the MIA system, a classic Rainbow Six mechanic that’s been AWOL for a very long time.

I’m not sure what The Division asset you are referring to tbh.

You claim that the way cosmetics are being handled is “backwards” and refer to 2 games that came out towards the end of 2017 and 2019 respectively. The one that came out in 2017 isn’t even relevant as there is no separate game/game mode you can purchase separately like is the case with the other and Extraction.

The fact of the matter is that Siege was released at the end of 2015, when the concepts of Cross Play and Cross Progression were simply just that, concepts.

Unless both games were designed from the ground up with the concept of cross progression in mind, it’s near on impossible to implement it after the fact.

You are simply not comparing like with like here but that’s to be expected simply through ignorance (lack of knowledge) Things are NEVER as easy as the community assumes it should be. If Siege wasn’t 6 years old, Cross-Progression would be much, much easier to implement. Going forward expect loads of NEW Ubi titles to have Cross Play and Cross Progression but don’t expect it unless said games were designed with this in mind from the beginning. Which Siege never did.