I was hesitant to post this. Especially after "that thing". But this is not MTX related. I purposely left out major in the title so it wouldn't trigger PTSD.
/u/JagexDoom can you settle down the crowd?
I'm not sure what I could possibly say!
I am very excited with what I have seen and I know that the entire team working on this project are excellent.
I know what your suggestion is going to be - it rhymes with "denoov it" doesn't it
I personally wouldn't mind cosmetic rewards but yes, removing it would obviously be the preferred option.
Cosmetic rewards are the best rewards, if you ask me.
You've got to give me something to work with
Respectfully, no.
I don't get paid to work on this game. You, and the people you're trying to explain this to, do. It's you're job to make things your customers want and customers are telling you what they want.
If the "team" would rather ignore customers and release garbage, that's your prerogative
Absolutely is my job to give that feedback to the team and do everything I can to make that feedback heard. The feedback I deliver is holistic, and represents the entire community's sentiment on this, and is passed up the chain through the team to consider and act on.
More gaslighting, All you'll do is "take the feedback" remove how predatory the hero pass is. Then slowly drip feed it back into the game over time. Incrementalism has always been Jagex's goal.
Make a big MTX change we dont like -> community melts down -> Jagex "compromises" -> community accepts the fate of the change knowing we are powerless -> Jagex slowly drips more into future updatesWe know you cant make the change yourself so dont act like the community is directly calling you out but we dont want a compromise.
Not really sure what response I can give to a comment like this, but I've seen it.
Bring them into the free track, move them up, and then throw every one of them in the bin.
You had me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie!
Classic, I love the idea of this one. Me and me hearties making landfall and plunderin' away!
Will make a note so that we can suggest these to the team moving forward!
please don't. they were all awful
Well, I'm just trying to look for suggestions here. And before you say it, I know what your suggestion is going to be - it rhymes with "denoov it" doesn't it? I'm very aware of the overwhelming point that the community is making, and I'm continuing to stress the crucial nature of that point up the chain.
In the meantime, while I don't have the capacity to just action a change like that all by myself, what I am looking for is ways to compromise - get out there and ask the community what they'd want to see, and whether we can make that a possibility.
How about sont nerf it you uppity miffet
That's a new phrase - might try and sneak that into an examine text for something one day!
Take. Them. Away. How many people need to say it, Doom? The 2 people who say make them easier to get matter more than the majority of the community saying they have no place here?! Come on, dude. I felt for the JMods yesterday because it seemed like y'all were getting unnecessary hate. But this just shows that you AREN'T. LISTENING.
Courtney, if it was up to me I'd never see the word buff again! It'd be chat filtered and everything! But it's not just a singular person's decision, and I've been trying (and trying) to get this point across, but in the meantime I want to find a compromise. You've got to give me something to work with while I keep pushing these points.
But if you just think that's "not listening" then that's your opinion, in the meantime I'll keep representing the majority of the community even if you can't see it happening. Have a good day!
Maybe re read the comment posted above yours.... 17 year player who just canceled due to this.
I'm sorry, the one I replied to? Or another comment, you'd have to link me to it if so. Not sure what you're referring to here.
Hi Mod Doom, thank you for the work you are doing, you’re awesome, we appreciate you continuing the line of communication with us.
Regarding the buffs system, if your intent is to keep the system, I think it would be interesting to have an in-game poll before each hero pass season asking the players to vote on their preferred buffs. This way the players are involved in the decision so there is less controversy, and you will in turn end up with the most popular buffs that should give you the most player engagement. As an ironman however, I would request continuing to keep the buffs disabled for iron accounts.
One buff I would always avoid is any kind of dps increase in pvm. Dps is king in this game and I could see such a buff creating some elitist attitudes (“Oh you don’t have the buff available? I won’t pvm with you then”).
I personally would love to see more community engagement in what goes into a Hero Pass, that would be amazing! It's not up to me directly (probably for the best, I'm 2127 levels in but still definitely a noob) but it's something I keep pushing for!
The general opinion seems to be that any buff that provides any benefit to actual content should not be tied to a battle pass. I've not seen anyone of the opinion that some subset is good and some subset is bad - it's more like people think some subset is bad, and some other subset is worse.
Agree that that seems to be the general perception here. Definitely a good point to take back to the team!
Out of curiosity, does jagex do any kind of surveying?
There is so much that goes into creating proper surveys, and I have never seen one following generally accepted practices (as far as any social science standard).
I just truly wonder what some better targeting surveying could do. Not necessarily ones tailored to updates or provided as a blanket survey to reddit, as those would obviously get brigades.
I do mean surveying and not polling here
Yeah, we've done surveys in the past and done smaller group surveys as well. It's not something I have any direct interaction with, so I wouldn't be able to give you any more info than that, I just know that we have.
I would like to propose to the mod team here a slight change to hero pass:
3 Daily Missions:
Just like the old system:
3 Daily challenges:
You want to short us lamps and supplies in not only keys but in experience which is not right.
I understand that times must change as much as everyone else but please understand that with the current daily system it feels like we are being very shorted here, I think you could agree with this statement. u/JagexDoom
That's feedback I can forward to the team, for sure.
“What? You don’t like the hero pass… Aww” -jagex right now
I can't speak for anyone else, but I definitely said "Awww" out loud opening my inbox notifications.
Zammy damage reduction and clue step reduction. You are effective devaluing those content.
Those two are the repeat offenders that keep coming up again and again! Good to know that those are the areas we should avoid.
Read moreIdeas for buffs:
Carpenter's Steadiness: Requires New Foundations quest complete. For an hour, cutting logs into planks and planks into refined planks is done at double speed with 50% more xp.
Doc's Perk Manual: Requires Invention. When activated, you get to pick the resulting perk of the next gizmo shell you fill with materials. Only options with 1% or greater odds, depending on your Invention level and materials included in the gizmo shell, may be chosen.
Needle's Time Acceleration: Requires Invention & at least one machine manufactured in your Invention guild. For a week, invention machines work at double speed. Requires double the divine charge to use!
PoF/RooT Animal Trait token: Requires PoF tutorial completion. If used on an animal with less than 3 trait slots open, open all 3 trait slots with random traits. If use...
You even gave them titles, I like this. Will make a note so that we can suggest these to the team moving forward!
If only there was a million threads and videos on which, why and how!
I've seen 'em too!
I know what they said, I want to know what Imissyelps says.
Please restrict the vote to ironman accounts, and internally Jagex should split the results by player demographics (playtime, xp, active etc). Give players with 2.5k total more weighting than 2k total and nobody under 1k total should be able to vote.
You guys need to hear what actual ironman think, not ironman alts that have quit or are played by mains. We need a real vote of what the active ironman community think.
Please make it happen and handle the results with great care.
Yes, I'd like it to be specific to Ironman accounts, I'm not quite sure how much more granular we can go than that but it would be something we definitely explore.
They point out that large chunks of progression for the hero pass will come from special events that will give you huge hero point drops and that hasn’t been factored into the early calculations people have done which is why it seems so egregious.
I’m not taking a side here just loosely quoting what Jagex said in this post
Special Missions will be added alongside updates and events and should provide around 25 levels (25000 Hero Points) approximately, across various missions.
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