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You say it was common for them to believe this but it was also common to believe against it.

This is just a standard that can't be proven. That's more the problem. We have evidence to support that the view was pretty common. Again, in context, Phaedrus wouldn't just assume that people thought Achilles and Patroclus were lovers, unless there was a common opinion that they were. As well as the fact we've seen it referenced often (with little to no evidence suggesting there was some big dissent on the topic - at least that we've discovered so far) from ancient texts we've recovered.

The description was "changed to be more accurate" implies that one interpretation is inaccurate while the other is accurate with hirez claiming that the updated one is the correct one and the other one is wrong. Do you not see the issue here?

This is just misreading the change. It wasn't done for "historical accuracy", or at...

I am not arguing that the interpretation does not exist. Of course it does. I'm arguing on its validity.

Then this is where we're going to fundamentally disagree.

I see (and I imagine many others do as well) that the simple fact this was a common assessment even within the culture itself as enough evidence to see it as a valid interpretation. The fact that we have ancient writing in which a character giving a speech very much just assumes that the audience would accept that Patroclus and Achilles were lovers is enough to say that within the culture, this wasn't an uncommon view of their relationship. And if we're going to accept that it was a common interpretation, then it seems like a totally valid interpretation today. Rather than just a 'meme' that's propagated by the west.

To give more context here, this is why I wouldn't necessarily view Gilgamesh/Enkidu the same way, even though they have the same types of language in dire...

From what I'm seeing in live, book of thoth is giving power properly based on its mana. Book of Thoth does not increase power based on stacks, it increases mana, and converts 7% (10% when evolved) to power. So a Book of Thoth fully stacked on its own gives 180 power.

Right now from what I can tell it is working - were you seeing something different?

Athens had laws against adultery going as far back as Draco which is essentially since writen law was first codified at 800BC. Laws against adultery existed since the beginning of writen law. Any periods beyond that and you're into oral law. What period was adultery considered acceptable?

So first, this is specifically Athens. We were just talking about Xenophon, who also specifically stated of Sparta: "He observed, however, that where an old man happened to have a young wife, he tended to keep a very jealous watch on her. So he planned to prevent this too, by arranging that for the production of children the elderly husband should introduce to his wife any man whose physique and personality he admired." We have more than one account of this behavior there, as well. Showing Adultery was accepted, but also sometimes even done to continue the male line. They even had specific rules for how status was passed (in which it could go several differen...

Seeking and Obtaining multiple partners was common for gods, but it wasn't considered a righteous thing or an actually promoted one among mortals.

This absolutely depends on the time period and location. This is not a good blanket statement to use for all of ancient greece. And even when looked down upon it was a very common occurrence anyway.

Its also intresting that you mention Circe. Homer is explicit with odysseus sleeping with circe but not with Achilles and Patroclus despite the importance of their relationship.

This isn't relevant. I'm not saying that it was ever explicitly stated Achilles and Patroclus had a physical relationship. Just that several passages do have very romantic connotations in their original text, and Homer did seem to very deliberately leave it open to interpretation.

This doesn't fit in any recognized form of pederastia athens had.

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Seeking and obtaining multiple partners was not very strange in mythology or ancient cultures in general. You can look to the head of the pantheon and see that. Zeus and Hera were always a pair, but Zeus had many partners. Poseidon did the same, as did Apollo, etc. This even extends out to hero tales with Hercules, Theseus, etc. Even within Homer's writing itself. Odysseus sleeps with Circe with pretty much no remorse despite his ultimate goal being to return home to Penelope.

But regardless of how you read the initial text, you cannot deny that it's a very common interpretation of the original even dating back to ancient times. Plutarch, Theocritus, Aeschines, Plato, Aeschlyus, etc. We have a lot of writings from greco-roman times that just take it for granted that the two were lovers.

And no, Plato's case is not just 'misinterpretation'. When people are talking about Plato, they're talking about the Symposium. In which Phaedrus pretty explici...

And yet, the same Plato who you are using to justify your position was well aware of the same story of Ganymede and Zeus, and in his Laws stated through the mouth of an "athenian stranger" that the myth was conjured up by the Cretans to justify their "unnatural relations" of men lying with men (his words, not mine).

Which is markedly different from implying that Zeus wasn't attracted to Ganymede within the story. A rejection of the myth itself is not a rejection of an interpretation of said myth.

But you keep coming back to Plato and Xenophon. Plato was just one example of many. Xenophon is one example of... well, not many at all that we've recovered so far. And even of those we have, usually they're acquiescing somehow.

Again, it's pretty clear if you read a lot of classic poets and philosophers that this was a common interpretation, and the assertion that it comes from specifically modern scholars is comple...

The idea that it wasn't a common interpretation is going to need far more than the singular account of an ancient scholar disagreeing to disprove.

It's not just plato who interpreted the relationship this way. We also saw it from Aeschines, we saw it from Aeschlyus, we saw it in several writings in Athens, Plutarch, Theocritus, etc.

But if we want to go further into Xenophon's Socrates, then we have to really examine what was said. Specifically, arguing in the same turn that Zeus kidnapped Ganymede not because Ganymede was beautiful, but because his mind was attractive. This is pretty much completely absurd. Even Cicero, who in his Tusculan Disputations specifically has a passage being very critical against homosexual love and Plato himself admits that nobody can deny why Zeus kidnapped Ganymede. If anything, it's pretty clear that Xenophon's opinion here was very much the dissenting one, and he was willing to defend that view point tooth ...

This is wrong.

Even if we want to make the case that the original text does not support it, we have plenty of ancient text to support that this was a very common interpretation of the myth even within ancient greco-roman culture. Plato's Symposium, for example, takes for granted that they were lovers.

This has been a pretty hot topic amongst scholars for a while. Despite the fact our understanding of sexuality within greco-roman culture has advanced, the consensus has not changed that although their relationship was not made explicitly physical in the text, it was pretty clear the two were meant to be in love with each other. And even if we want to even be hesitant about granting that much: at the very least, Homer very deliberately made it open to interpretation, and it was very common for Greeks to view it that way.