When they finalllyyyyy moved away from talking about spite voting and how it's a thing holding PVP back, there were good points raised that should have been spoken more about.
They spent far too long just going on about spite voting and just came across as sour.
It was really REALLY telling when they were discussing the sorta 'PVP' they get up to now at the start of the stream and the main 2 places were outside the entrance of rev caves or in the Wildy slayer caves. One of the 'positives' raised about Wildy Slayer Caves was that even though it's Multi, very little teams go in there and it's 'only' slayers.
Iirc, one of the Jmods even said they went there now because they used to kill people venny but now it was bad because people 'Just tank in Karils and Bulwark or call their friends in'.
Like they said, they get annoyed when people with better gear than them logs onto them, they don't wanna fight and will just get a freeze off and then log off under...