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Originally posted by narrill

No, I'm not confused about what inflation is. That's a fairly condescending suggestion.

Increasing game prices to match inflation simply isn't done, not even by reasonably priced, high-quality games with no microtransactions and free ongoing updates, and you're saying you feel you should be entitled to do it despite your studio not having any need to.

I don't know what you call that if not greedy. And Valve already adjusts their regional pricing recommendations every year based on consumer price indices and purchasing power, so you ended up hitting a bunch of regions twice for the same inflation.

I don't see any reason why games should automatically get cheaper with time

I do: you paid for the labor to make the game when inflation was lower, and distributing it to new consumers costs you next to nothing. So why should the price track with inflation?

If you'd waited until Space Age's release, which will actually add ...

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Originally posted by narrill

What's baffling to me is the idea that you guys should be exempt from the very predictable blowback from increasing the price of your game for no other reason than to keep with inflation while:

• The game had not had a major update in more than two years
• Your sales figures remained strong, and you'd just launched on a new platform
• You were actively working on an expansion with the same price point as the base game

I'm sorry, but this is something lots of people would see as greedy, and they're welcome to that opinion.

It's also baffling to me that most of the comments are defending you as pro-consumer while you're in here trying to paint "rent goes up every year, we should be able to do that too" as a noble cause, as if people are totally cool with getting gouged by their landlord every year.

I don't even have a problem with the price increase, but come on. In no un...

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Originally posted by narrill

For it to be a reasonable argument to me personally one would need to explain why the devs nowadays deserve to be compensated less for the game than they did when it launched in 2018.

100% disagree, and frankly this take is baffling to me. Every game ever released is affected by inflation, but Wube are the only devs I've ever seen react to that by increasing the price of their existing product. Most devs just create and sell new content, which I don't think anyone has a problem with.

Originally posted by Full_War_4717

Hm. If item transformation is indeed evaluated lazily, this might result in an interesting corner case with mods:

• item1 should be turned to item2, which is also spoilable. For consistency the "overflow" time should be applied to item2;
• which might trigger it spoiling as well, turning it into (also spoilable) item3, etc.  

This can result in significant hiccup, especially with short spoilage time and a loop in transformations, unless such spoilage loops are detected at initialization time, so that process can use module over total loop time to save repeated iterations.

Originally posted by CzTd

What does happen when the inventory is full with non-spoiled items and a spoil event occurs?

Like I have a chest filled with coal, and 1 stack with apples.

What will happen with the spoils? Will they get deleted? Chest will have additional slot?

Originally posted by Soul-Burn

What is the freshness value of a normal non-perishable item? Does it remember the freshness it was made with?

Originally posted by Smoke_The_Vote

Cheap, even with the need to re-average a spoilable item stack every time an inserter/robot drops another item into the chest?

Or, I guess maybe a stack's new spoil rating only get calculated when it's needed?

Originally posted by Soul-Burn

Which damaged items average in 1.1? 

In 1.1 buildings remember their damage, while ammo/science just merge, losing final item.

Is this a change for 2.0?

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Originally posted by SuspiciousAd3803

In theory, is recycling a method of un-spoiling an item? In other words if product 1 has like 5% freshness and I recycle it and get component 2, will component 2 have 100% freshness or will the freshness be derived from product 1

Originally posted by Garagantua

Since we've seen new "infinite research" with just the Nauvis sciences, I assumed that there'll be _some_ infinite tech with pretty much every one (and maybe even combination of?) new science pack. Otherwise in my first solo playthrough, I might automate the first planet, go to the second - and my research either stops, or continues without the new pack I just managed to import.

If these "some but not all new planet science pack" infinite techs exist, then that's a really good reason to have *solid* production of the "usual" packs on your lab planet, and you just use whatever you can from the new ones.

...until you're at a point where you really want that shiny new infinite technoligy that uses _all the packs_.

Originally posted by 13ros27

Does that mean that gleba science only requires renewable resources (the trees and I guess water) and doesn't use anything mined somewhere in the recipe because if it did then it would surely still make sense to switch the factory off?

Originally posted by Kasern77

Okay I get it now, thanks. Although I don't see why anyone would use recyclers to get rid of only some of the spoilage when a boiler can burn all of it. Especially when the former uses power while the latter provides power.

Originally posted by RoastCabose

In the real world spoilage can be mitigated, but it can't be stopped in most cases. Remember this is a game of abstractions after all. The brute force method is to send it as fast as possible, which encourages things like direct insertion, circuit use, hyper compact production.

Also remember that the stuff you're shipping in space likely has the spoil time of hours, and the stuff that spoils in minutes shouldn't last more than a few minutes in your production.

I do think the keeping things hot could be an interesting new thing, but that would be different in the sense that you can work on keeping things hot for it's whole existence, where as spoilage definitely has an end point.

I bet they didn't do refrigeration to keep the complexity down. Because if you implement refrigeration and it stops spoilage, than it is completely necessary and just adds extra steps without much design consideration. If refrigeration simply slows down spoilage, then that ...

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Originally posted by Mornar

Even if you can't base usefulness on specific spoilage progress, you can definitely have too-hot-metal spoiling into just-right-metal spoiling into too-cold-metal. Bit multiplicative in terms of different item types needed, but possible.

Originally posted by Kasern77

I'm confused about the part where you insert spoilage into the recycler. From the image it just looks like the same spoilage comes out. What exactly happens to it when it goes through the recycler?

Originally posted by PM_ME_FETLOCKS

As someone who works with grocery logistics in RL, this is my time to shine

Fifo

Originally posted by 0b0101011001001011

Can I have legendary spoiled stuff?

Originally posted by acockshott

Overall this looks really cool and unique, I like the emphasis this creates on speed and throughput. BUT the implication is that once you've automated production of the Agricultural science pack, you're incentivised to constantly be researching technologies which use it from that point onward, otherwise you risk spoiling 100s or 1000s of science packs in the time that you research anything else.

I suppose we could switch off large parts of the Gleba factory when its science packs aren't in demand (maybe through big circuit networks?) but that seems like a hassle and somewhat against the spirit of the game.

I have no doubt they've tested these features and thought all this through so sooner or later we'll find out what the solution is or if it's not really a big deal, either way I can't wait to see what's next!! :)

Originally posted by wargodiv

The spoilage mechanic looks great! I have a question though: do half-spoiled items stack the way science packs/ammo do? It would be quite inefficient if they didn't, but combining items can mess with the spoilage rate (two half-spoiled fruits spoil faster than a fresh one)

Edit: I suppose a stack can be stored as an array of how many 1%-100% packs is in a stack, displaying the 'sum' as how many full items you have and 'count' is used for the spoilage rate and inserters will extract the 'true' items, but maybe that's not the route the devs went for